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HGH #14 - Olympia 2022 Review

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christophknoll

Welcome back everybody we got a brand new episode for you guys today.

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Paul Garny

As usual the hall of gains and hypertrophy podcast. We got Paul and christoph today we're going to be talking about a very exciting topic which I'm sure a lot of you have probably have heard about over this weekend and probably predicted it if you're thinking about this podcast probably predicted it going into it.

00:19.27

christophknoll

I was going to say or just listening to us talk over the past couple weeks.

00:23.38

Paul Garny

And yeah, we did mention it a few times. It's the Mr Olympia competition happens once a year middle of December each year this year is back in Las Vegas which is exciting. But um, we're going to be talking about the results. The prejudder reports different routines for different athletes stuff like that. I do want to preface this entire episode by stating that ah the blessing and curse of bodybuilding is that it is entirely subjective and opinion based um so on 1 hand you got our opinions or your own opinion that you think you know the athlete should have placed here or there but at the end of the day. What matters most is pleasing the judges and what the judges think of the athletes and that's a completely different story than you know what? our opinions are so we're just gonna be seeing who we thought should have placed where how we would have judged it but at at the end of the day our opinions don't really matter in the grand scheme of things and. You know there's a lot more to take into account than simply what we see in photos and videos you got stage lighting and stage presence that play different role entirely when you're actually there. So if you've ever been to a bodybuilding competition in person. The athletes will look completely different than they do in photos and videos. And 1 way they look different is through stage presence how they carry themselves on stage their confidence the way they carry themselves just even in the backstage will also play a little bit of a role too. Um, so that's also something to take into account because you got the you know, different prosing routines. Ah.

01:57.31

Paul Garny

Different prejudging actual posing styles. But at the same time you know if you if you exude this confidence in atmosphere that you deserve for place or something like that. That's called stage presence and that's what's going to play a role. It's it's all psychology in that sense too. So. Um, the judges will base it including that. Um you know? So like if you have for instance cbum has a phenomenal stage presence. He's got this confidence to him that kind of sets him apart and that's part of the reason that he's been winning lately. So that's something we'll be talking about as well is just. Stage presence and how that looks um so yeah, so we'll be talking about that today and hope you enjoy it at least.

02:40.42

christophknoll

I Think a good reference to make is ah in the meet. It's if you think of your favorite artist or musician. They record a studio album and it sounds great but they could be garbage on stage because they don't put on a show on stage and that could be exactly how.

02:54.34

Paul Garny

Um, yes.

02:57.55

christophknoll

A person looks for them for the olympia like if you have them on Instagram or Tiktok whatever and they post pictures and they look great. But then when they go on stage and they just have no like dominance of themselves or the crowd. They're not going to place well and that's kind of a good little way of thinking about it.

03:11.13

Paul Garny

Is a.

03:15.87

christophknoll

Um, another preface as well is that Paul is the one who has a full understanding of what's going on out there and when you hear me ah, put in my ¢2 keep in mind that I am more or less here with the fitness or the lifestyle fitness side of things. So my comments will not be nearly as. In-d depth or um, you know I guess you could say ah smart in terms of what we're looking at. So if you want the real stuff listen more. So what Paul's saying if you want the goofy side of things listen what I say um, but yeah.

03:49.11

Paul Garny

Yeah, that's okay, we learn we all learn.

03:54.63

christophknoll

Yeah, absolutely. Um so before we get rock and and rolling with the actual results and looking at stage performances and whatnot. Ah, um, we mentioned it before a little bit but Paul but do you want to just break down a little bit. What the different.

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Paul Garny

The.

04:11.91

Paul Garny

Like yeah has divisions. Yeah yeah, so Mr Olympia is just like most other bodybuilding competitions but the difference is is that you're called a Mr Olympia

04:13.25

christophknoll

I'm going to call them sections but divisions there you go you want to break down kind of what that looks like.

04:26.32

Paul Garny

You know so like. For instance I did on the solo podcast session I did break down the hurricane pro which is a pretty big show each year but you're not called Mr Hurricane or something like that. So that's the difference with Mr Olympia it would be kind of funny if you're called Mr. Hurricane sounds like a like a wrestling name.

04:40.31

christophknoll

Well, that's well I was going to say that's that's a wrestler from the ah early two thousand s era in the Ww Hurricane I was literally guy in a little green suit and he would just dip around.

04:45.18

Paul Garny

Yeah, so fa sad's like to be.

04:54.96

Paul Garny

That's funny. Um, but yeah, so Mr Olympia basically the way it works is like any other bodybuiling show. You're going to have different divisions. You're going to have different weight caps stuff like that. So we're goingnna be mainly focusing on um, men's physique classic physique. A little bit to 12 and men's open. Um, we're not really going to be talking about much of female competitors and divisions and all that because personally I don't know enough about it to really give an opinion. Um I think that's better suited for other people who pay who who are more focused on women's divisions. Um, all respect to the women competitors. It's just not something that I follow enough to feel that my opinion is valid. Um, so you yeah now. But ah, um, yeah.

05:35.72

christophknoll

Well I mean girls have cooties too so that that makes it so we don't We don't watch that I want to look at dudes. Yeah.

05:47.98

Paul Garny

Is so weird to say it. It's like I like watching men shirtless and wearing almost nothing on stage. It's so nice.

05:54.59

christophknoll

Well I mean it's the it's the it's the age old meme that we have in the gym world where it's like I'm going to go to the gym and get so many girls and then in reality it's just all the guys like standing around saying nice pump pro. Ah.

06:05.68

Paul Garny

A king you looking big dude I'm trying to be like you yeah is is how it is. It's just it. It ends up being the opposite I feel like gass kind of where I started for me too and that gym what I talked about was wanteding to look good for girls and it just really went the other direction. A lot of guys will talk about like. Like Rich Pia was like either I was going to end up gay or becoming a bodybuilder so I became a bodybuilder so it's it's a funny ah world to live in. But um, if you know you know and you got to be part of it to fully understand it. But um, yeah, so we're gonna be talking about the men's divisions today so you got men's physique.

06:32.56

christophknoll

Ah.

06:44.13

Paul Garny

Two twelve classic and open when people say they're Mr. Olympia they usually refer to men's open so they they're usually referring to like for instance, Ronnie Coleman is an 8 times. Mr. olympia and that's men's open ah chris bombssteads one I think 4 years in a row now. Ah, so that's he's a 4 times. Mr. Olympia classic physique is usually what how it's called um because if you say see what's Mr. olympia in a sense you're correct, but that's not what it's associated with Mr. olympia is associated with men's open so typically um when you say you're Mr. olympia outside the division of men's open. You include the division that. They competed in so sean claririta this is is I believe second year winning in a row I think I have to take a look at the past couple years and results I don't follow two 12 too much. But um, sean clerita is at least a 2 times. Mr. olympia 2 12 competitor. So that's how you'd say is Mr. Olympia 2 12 and then men's physique is Mr. Olympia men's physique or mp. Whatever you want to say so that's usually how Mr. olympia works um the weight caps and stuff like that is all kind of the same as most other pro shows. Ah, regional shows are going to vary as well depending on whatever you know governing organization they're under um, untested and tested leagues also vary differently in the weight caps and height and stuff like that. But Mr. olympia is known as being the pinnacle of you know, being the best and.

08:13.78

Paul Garny

It's known as if you win the Mr Olympia in whatever division you're in then you're going to be the best of the best in that division so cbom winning classic. He's considered the best in the world at classic right now. Um, it's just how it works so us he won third he called himself in his Instagram post he said third in the world. So that's just how it works and that's how Mr Olympia is carried on um Joe Weider who started it um basically created his brand um from a magazine subscription back and I think it might have started in the 60 s but really, that's how. Arnold got huge was Joe Reeder kind of found him from like the universe competitions and all of that and kind of like brought him up and had to move out to Venice and was doing magazine covers with him and stuff so that's how Arnold got big and then the olympia started back in the 60 s and um. Then Arnold had his reign during in the 70 s and here we are today. Um, you know he had the 3 big competitors. We've had um Lee is ah think is Lee Haney Ronnie Coleman and Phil Heath of all one eight arnold won 7 um, and then you just trickle down from there for whoever won the most. But um, you know those 4 guys really carried most of the decades of Mr Olympia but we here we are today with actually pretty stagnant Olympia each year we've had.

09:40.20

Paul Garny

Different winners the past three years which is really unique to happen because usually when you have 1 winner you go for a few years I mean even Jay Cutler won I think was 4 years in a row which um is a decent amount of wins a year in a row but then he stopped and that was that was you know, even then he won one and then he went for three more after that. Um, but like for instance, you know you got Brandon Curry back in 2020 big rommi 2021 and then now Howie choop in 2022 I mean that's that's very rare that that happens that um, you know you got multiple winners pretty back-to-back. Usually it's at least ah 2 years in a row when they win 1 they usually win another so pretty interesting situation at least. Um, but we'll we'll dive into who we should have who we thought should have placed where how we would have done it or judge them at least and kind of go from there. Um, and definitely the biggest focus today is can be classic physique because that's what's huge right now and that's what our generation is going to be definitely increasing popularity once. We get older and into that division. So don't forget be talking about that today.

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christophknoll

I Do think talking about how you know hotty won this year big rommi last year and I forget the name you said for? yeah um I think that just feeds into the opinionated stature of what bodybuilding is because I've.

10:50.21

Paul Garny

Bret and curry.

10:56.66

Paul Garny

Um, if a.

11:00.39

christophknoll

I mean I've seen pictures of not so much. The Mr Olympia group or the open I mean but when it comes to the classic physique. Obviously I've been following a couple of those guys for a couple years now and you know their physiques do change like they get bigger and better.

11:14.74

Paul Garny

The.

11:18.68

christophknoll

More tone more defined some people fall off, but the people that keep winning are winning because we talked about some different factors like stage presence and all that stuff and if you can't sway. Essentially if you can't convince the judges that you should be number 1 then you're not going to get it.

11:22.46

Paul Garny

Are.

11:38.60

christophknoll

Which is kind of a interesting thing because you know from any other metric like or any other sport I'll say like you are the best because you fundamentally have the best skills or the best look like. Whatever you're do whatever sport you're doing whereas with bodybuilding It's just like hey did you put on a good show this day. Yes, you have to have like your size and your tone and everything but did you convince them that you should be number 1 which I think is a really interesting aspect for why this sport is you know. Such a good sport to kind of follow and get into.

12:14.70

Paul Garny

Yeah there's there's a saying that um follows a lot of shows when someone wins a show that was kind of unexpected or someone didn't place the way they wanted to is that they say oh this person was just the better bodybuilder that day. That's just what's said it's kind of like um, you know when you face like it's like a championship like super bowl or something like that. You know when the underdog kind of wins. It's usually just that they were the better team that day so that's kind of how it works is sometimes you know you'll have guys who'll come in just a little better and then they'll just. You know they're the better bodybuilder that day and then the next show a week later. They don't win they play Seventh. You know it's just for some reason they just came in just right for that show and um, that's part of the art and science behind all of it because there's the art of the posing stage presence. But then there's also the science of getting to the correct physique. Um, you know, slimming down. Getting cut for everything um, and then also carrying that on stage properly. So there's a science and an art to it and you know you just got to be the best you can in both aspects. Ah, men's open There's a lot that happened when it comes to classic amends open very dramatic year in the sense that um. Who everybody predicted was going to win and will really top 5 really drastically changed once actually pre-judging started so men's open um I'll just go ahead and just kind of start on men's open then just kind of give my opinion real quick and answer any questions is um, men's open.

13:45.79

Paul Garny

I was rooting for Derek Lunsford for the most part because I absolutely love his look. He looks amazing. His overall proportions and structure is just extremely aesthetic and I think if you want to use a good example of a good looking men's open competitor. It is definitely Derek Lunsford um I think he's going to bring back aesthetics to men's open and I think we really need to start straying away from rewarding size and really start rewarding size plus aesthetics um, classic physique is obviously another competition and obviously another conversation but men's open. It kind of ever since basically Dorian Yates it kind of became who is the biggest and who also can get extremely lean, but it was never since Dorian Yates it really wasn't about aesthetics. It was whoever could look the freakiest on stage. Um, obviously they had to be lean. They're not going to work. Reward anybody who came in watery or flat or something but you had to be huge and you had to be lean, um, or at least lacking fat. So it's good to see that someone like Derek Derek Lunsford is being rewarded for his look because he's not the biggest on stage. He's actually relatively short guy as well. Um, but he brought an amazing package. He came in lean he came in big in comparison to his height. He came in big at least um and he just looked phenomenal. He got second which I'm super excited about so Derek Lunsford made his mark in 122 because of his height.

15:19.93

Paul Garny

Ah, but then he decided to move up to men's open and it was such a good decision to make because he truly belongs in men's open. He was just too big. He was just too good for 2 12 2 12 has its place in the divisions. Don't get me wrong, but 2 12 is also designed for a certain type of physique and I think he was just kind of growing out of that physique. Um, 12 for anybody who doesn't know two 12 is referring to the pounds. So no matter what height you are you have to be under two hundred and twelve pounds for your way in so that usually usually appeals better to guys who are on the shorter side and want to compete in men's open because for instance Sean Clarita who won first I think he's like 5 4 or something but because he's able to get up to two hundred and twelve pounds he's able to look big and be at that weight cap even at a small frame where if you were to compete men's open. He would need to put on way more mass. And really justify his overall structure and probably his conditioning in order to look good but because he's able to compete in 122 he can keep us relatively like less muscle mass than he would need for men's open and also look phenomenal. So it's a perfect division for him. Derek just kind of outgrew that. He outgrew the two 12 weight cap and now that he's able to focus on. Ah you know a higher weight and better condition and all of that with the more muscle mass. He's able to really compete in the division he belongs in and you know getting second in his first men's open is just insane to me um, is very good. Um.

16:53.24

Paul Garny

You know result from his first showing so wanted to say that at least but at the end of the day I'm extremely happy that Hadi Choopin won he has deserved that drastically over the past you know, 11 years of competing in men's open. Um, he's competed I believe longer than that. But at least the past like 11 years people have argued that he's been. Robbed of the of the olympia ah over and over again, kind of like Kyi Green Kyi Green was robbed over and over again because of Phil Heath and Phil Heath for multiple years in a row people argue shouldn't have won he was just kind of favored because of his presence and you know his fame and you know all the wins he'd had previously. But. Heidi Schopen really deserved it and he's deserved it for a long long time and I'm just it. It's almost like you know, emotional in a sense because you watch him for for like I've only really been watching the olympia for like 4 years now um and it's it's. Each year you just see guys who get kind of robbed of it and guys who don't deserve the win grained. This is also opinion based so that's the big thing that we preface this episode with is that this isn't opinion based and 1 of the biggest controversial olympias as far as who one was Twenty twenty with Brian Curry he came in who. What people thought was very watery was very soft just not conditioned but then Hadi Choopin came diced to the gills as per usual and just got robbed of the wind. So. It's so good to finally see Hadie win the olympia and 1 thing to mention with Hadie too is that I think it was him who was in a um generation iron documentary.

18:24.40

Paul Garny

And he talked about how in the Middle East Bodybuilding is huge and it really is bodybuilding is a huge sport in the Middle East and um winning the Mr Olympia is obviously the biggest honor you can bring home but the second the worst honor you can bring home is not when in the olympia so going home not winning the olympia to you know. Ah, ah culture where honor is such a big ah play such a big role and not being able to bring home that honor you're not treated the way that you deserve to be treated. Um, it's not even if you play second you know you're not treated like you play. Second you treated like you lost um which you know inherently you did. You know you did to lose but at the same time you play. Second you're second in the world I mean that's something to be very proud of but he finally won so he's going to go home. he's going to be treated well he's going to be treated like the king that he is um and he's going to you know hopefully come back next year more motivated to fight to stay at the top of that hill. Ah, you know there's no one. There's no there's a saying there's I think there's no wolf that star that's starving more than the one. That's that's climbing the hill or something like that. Um, but the wolf at the top of the hill is the one that needs to maintain it so he needs to now maintain this position that's going to be even harder for him. Ah, because he had to make his Mark now he has to keep it going and that momentum is going to take a little bit to build cbum has that momentum. It took him 2 years to build it. He had to win 2 times in a row in order to build it and then he also got huge from social media. So now he has a strong momentum but Heidi needs to build that momentum. But at the end of the day.

19:58.92

Paul Garny

I'm really rooting for now after Hadie won is I'm rooting for Derek Lunsford Derek Lusford looks amazing and I think he's going to be amazing competitor in the future and if he gives himself the time to keep winning I mean who knows how long he's going to compete for but I I predict he's going to win multiple olympias if he keeps going so It's very exciting to see that 2 12 you looked amazing I know he beat Sean Claririta and then he moved up to men's open and here weatter today. So that's my opinion on men's open for the top 2 at least um, the other results for. Men's Olympia or Mr Olympia I mean for men's open is let me pull this up here I'm forgetting for some reason is Nick Walker being third yup breon curry and then big rammi beingan fifth big rami beingan fifth is not a surprise to me. Um, he is back to his old ways.

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christophknoll

Nick walk. Yeah.

20:49.40

Paul Garny

Um, I know that you're kind of new to the olympia stuff but um, Rami won last year, but the thing that Rami has been consistently doing up until last year is that he would look um, amazing in photos and videos which you did mention earlier is that social media is a big difference so he'd look amazing in photos and videos. He'd look peeled fucking ten weeks out but then on stage he just does not show up to par and that's exactly what happened this year last year he pulled it off. He he came in exactly how he looked in photos and videos so he it was a well-des deserved win absolutely deserved last year's win this year fifth place did not. He just did not show up and. He came in soft and my biggest problem I think he from what I saw he got fifth because of his back pose. They talk about how ah you know shows are one from the back whether or not you believe that that's up to you I think that the back obviously plays a huge role. It's literally half your body but your back pose is going to play a big role in. When he's in his back pose. He really let his gut go um, even though you're not looking at the gut when you're looking at back pose. It really protruded to the left and right of his body so it kind of looked wide. It made him look wide. Um, especially coming from an angled look if you're looking at him from an angle which being in fifth place and prejudging. You're already off to the side. So it makes you look even worse when from an angle your belly's protruding so it just did not make a good look. Ah so I think that fifth place is a very fair placing for for rami I'm very you know, very sad that hunter lebrada didn't place the way I wanted him to.

22:23.86

Paul Garny

I think came in fourth last year I was hoping for top 5 for him I was even placing him probably top 4 if you could just keep them and momentum but he just didn't come in this year that the way that everybody wanted him to but that's you know, not everybody follows every single athlete in Hunter Lebrada is just one that I follow. Um. Brandon Curry I've never been the biggest fan of him I think he's always kind of come in soft and I think it's partially because of being a part of oxygen gym. They kind of push the mass a bit too hard. Um oxygen gym is a camp basically stop for for sports if you refer to them as camps. Um, it's a gym in Kuwait. I'm not I think he's still with them. But basically they they took a few of the biggest guys including big rommi. They had Regan Grimes at 1 point for a little while and they've had Brandon Curry for the longest time basically six months out of the year I think it's offseason he goes there trains. And just eats a shit ton and just takes a shit ton of gear because Kuwait gear is I think a different world I think you get it legally and stuff like that get it at stores pretty much. Um so they just pump him full of gear and they really like they hook him up to machines and shit while he's training to watch as you know blood pressure glucose.

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christophknoll

Um, a.

23:36.60

Paul Garny

You know everything you need to maintain you know a proper size and um, they really push him on that so they really push the size but the conditioning he never really shows up so um, fourth place for Ben and curry is not surprising Nick Walker being third is crazy to me. He went from fifth to third. I believe he got fifth last year he got third this year um he came in lean and I think so he switched coaches I want to say like shortly into prep. Um for the olympia he was with Dom which I root for dom. Um, I'm also kind of partial to dom but at the end of the day I think that he we will have a few years of Nick Walker I'll be surprised if he lives past 35 and Nick Walker um for those that are involved in the community and may know a bit more about him. He's taking way too much gear, especially under. Um I think it's um, why am I drawing a blank on his name any other time he asked me I could name him. Um, so he.

24:44.81

Paul Garny

Switch to his current coach so basically he had his coach that he has now. Um then he moved to Dom because they had some sort of falling out or something like that. Um, but Matt Jansen there it is Matt Jansen so they had him and Nick and Matt kind of had a falling out of some sort. And then he moved on to Dom Dom kind of got him dom puts health above everything else so he kind of got him back on a healthy path but then something happened between do and nick and ah he Nick went back to Matt um I think that the common nominator there is Nick. I think that Nick is the problem not necessarily coaches but at the same time Matt was pushing so many drugs on Nick that I think Nick kind of got used to it so when he got off a lot of the drugs with Dom and got healthy. He kind of felt like shit and wasn't making the progress that he's used to because he's so used to many so many drugs. So that's just my opinion. Nick is um I think his overall structure is kind of overrated because he's so freakish I don't think that men's open should be rewarding freakish looks but I do I will say that he's one of the freakish bodybuilders of all time he's in c and the crazy looking. But at the end of the day I think third is pretty fair for his condition that he came in at he came in pretty conditioned but top 2 um I very much agree with I very much agree that hady won and then Derek lens for forgot second I don't I don't think that Derek should have gotten first even if he brought the best package because he also hasn't paid his dues and.

26:18.10

Paul Garny

I think that you know that shouldn't really have a place in bodybuilding but it does and if you you know you haven't really been around for long enough to at least make your Mark and I think that being your first time in men's open I think that even if you brought one percent better. I think that you should reward the person that's been there more consistently and has been consistently lean and size like Hadty. So I think that Hadie was well-des deserveved even though he did come in better than Derek and I was rooting for Derek it was very well-de deserveved when so. That is my gist of men's open for you kind of like a twelve thirteen minute rant right? there but definitely went off on men's open and that's kind of where I'm at with it.

26:56.60

christophknoll

I think you brought up a really interesting point too that I want to get your further opinion on but you talked about how Derek's first time placing second is a phenomenal feat and that even if he was you know, let's say add another £10 muscle a diced up.

27:08.10

Paul Garny

If.

27:14.99

Paul Garny

I see.

27:15.57

christophknoll

Should not have beaten haughty and I think you talked about you know, putting in your dues and whatnot now. Do you think that if an up and comer out of nowhere comes in and let's say this person trained for years and years and years and probably should have been competing in the olympia but didn't.

27:20.44

Paul Garny

The.

27:32.93

Paul Garny

First.

27:34.69

christophknoll

And just came out of nowhere and was the best looking person out there like hands down like you know I mean we've talked about in the past how that first time that Ronnie won when he had that night out and he came in everybody doesn't knew and let's say you have a first time competitor who comes in and you just know. Do you think that.

27:45.29

Paul Garny

Her.

27:54.22

christophknoll

They deserve it over. Let's say they put him in like this year and with everything that hotty went through for the past you know, 11 years of having to grind through the failures and the the robberies and you have again, hypothetical situation but a guy who comes in that you just know is the best looking person in the world. And it's their first time competing. Do you think that that has a place or that they still have to put in their their dues.

28:18.63

Paul Garny

Yeah i' let me I'll into that one second let me just correct what I was saying earlier so big Romney won 2020 2021 I completely forgot he won twenty twenty brion curry 2019 was the was a controversial one so just want to correct that and then I also want to correct that Ronnie Coleman and Le Haney one eight I was correct. There. But. Arnold and Phil Heath both one seven so I thought Phil Heath won 8 he won 7 I do remember that he was trying to fight to get 8 so he can be tied for first with number of olympias so just want to correct that real quick to answer your question. That's a different conversation because what never really happens is someone who comes in for their first time. So far beyond everybody else that they went first um because it takes so much like it's such a different stage to everywhere else that to get dialed into the point where you're just going to take first for your first time is never going to really happen.

28:58.78

christophknoll

E.

29:14.72

Paul Garny

Something else to mention is that Ronney Coman didn't just show up and win First he was competing in the olympian for a while. Yeah, so like there are times where they will show up and you'll just know who's going to win but most likely like 99.9 percent of the time I don't know if it's ever happened before where it's their first time competing the Olympia. But.

29:16.73

christophknoll

Well I know I know.

29:33.10

Paul Garny

Almost every single time It's never their first time in the Olympia. So granted Derek was competing in 122 for a while he also he never compete in a men's open and men's open is a different stage in 122? um and just different requirements for the overall win. So. I don't think it's ever going to happen where someone is going to come so far ahead that it's a no brainer. But if somebody does come that far ahead. You know they had the size the conditioning the physique the stage press since they had everything to a T and were're just much further ahead than everybody else, then? Absolutely they deserve the win. Um, but it's never that cut and dry. There's a lot more gray areas a lot more fluidity there when it comes to who's going to win and who doesn't because at the end of the day like ah like we were talking about earlier. It's entirely subjective. So if it's cut and dry to where everybody's like yeah, he absolutely needs to win even though this is the first time then. 100 % deserves it. But if it's like it could go either way first or second and it's their first time they're probably going to get second because they haven't put in the time to get that. It's kind of like a hierarchy kind of thing. Um, you know so that's that's kind of. Something to to take into account Nick Walker being third on I think his second olympia it was is still pretty astounding. Um, that's his second overall Olympia he never competed in any of olympias before that and I think it was twenty twenty that he won his first pro show he got pro.

31:00.50

Paul Garny

That immediately want to pro a show after that. So Nick walk has really made leaps and bounds from 20202022 and not to mention even that he was even really known in the beginning of Twenty twenty like nobody even talked about him in 20 then Nick Walker had a video about. Not Nick Walker sorry Nick strengthen power had a video about um it was like titled like ah craziest non-pro bodybuilder ever and it was Nick Walker and that's really what skyrocketed him in popularity and then he won the pro show that um also chainsaw one. I mentioned earlier he won masters so he won that show to get pro and then he competed and I think it might have been The New York Pro I forget what show it was it goes New York pro and then he followed that up later that year with the arnold I believe it was. And he won the arnold and that was really what set him off. It was like okay, this guy's a real fucking contender because he just made pro this year and now he's winning the Arnold. So 1 thing to take into account. There's obviously all the european shows like the the arnold and Spain and um, you know, universe and whatnot or at least what used to be the universe. So. There's a lot more There's other big shows. But the second biggest show that people consider at least the second biggest show is the arnold. Um, and then typically after that it's like you know european Arnold competition and then maybe like the New York pro are kind of it's hard for third.

32:27.00

Paul Garny

New York Pro is a pretty big show as well. But Arnold is the second biggest. It's it's like the you know it's like the minor league. Ah Olympia um, so sometimes a lot of Olympian competitors who are qualified for the olympia typically not always compete in the arnold some might some don't. Um, if you're going to be competing for top 3 most likely you're not going to be touching the arnold because that's just going to kind of most likely pull away from your olympia physique. Um, but the Arnold I believes takes place in October. So it's kind of a good way of like getting lean um to a certain degree you know coming in maybe 90% of the Arnold. Then continuing holding that physique you know have a have have a rebound week kind of put on you know a couple pounds and then shed it right? all back off with your increased metabolism and then come in even better for the olympia a couple months later so that's one route that people go but not typically if you're competing for third ah top 3 I mean everybody's. Top 3 is most likely just focusing on the Olympia Chris Bumsted um hadi choopin big rami ah errs I believe Ramon I think they all focus entirely on the olympia. Ah so they didn't compete in any of the shows they were qualified right? off the bat from last year. So. Ah, they didn't really focus on anything else I believe it might be top 5 of each division is automatically qualified for next year um it used to be just first. But I believe his top 5 now is what I've heard at least top 3 is automatically qualified.

34:00.74

Paul Garny

So something else I take into account too is that you have to qualify for the olympia. How that works is certain shows. So it's part of the ifbb pro league and certain shows will give you points and when you build up to a certain number of points when you're in a certain standing you become qualified for the olympia. Certain shows could be olympia qualifiers where you get qualified from that show and also placing in the in the olympia is also a way of getting qualified I want to say the arnold is an Olympia qualifier so I think if you win the olympia in your class at least you're or this sorry the arnold you get qualified for the olympia. Um, so you have to earn your way to the olympia. It's not like you can just start showing up to the olympia and start competing so you have to win pro shows and you have to win a certain enough pro shows a certain amount of pro shows for points to then be qualified for the olympia. Um, so that's something to take into account too. It's not something you just automatically get to it takes a lot of effort to get there. The first time.

34:56.47

christophknoll

I Met imagine they they allow someone with enough money to buy their way in and everybody there is diced up and just absolutely looking great and then there's just some billionaire you know gave like a millionre to and it just does not belong like he just got the dad bought it.

34:57.84

Paul Garny

And then you can typically get there easier after that. Ah.

35:07.69

Paul Garny

Yeah.

35:14.80

christophknoll

Everything I.

35:15.29

Paul Garny

That's so so anybody who watches FOne that's what's happened it used to be like the best of the best racers but then it got to the point where you can literally buy your seat and it's so upsetting. So I really hope that bodybuilding doesn't get to that point where you can start buying your way into shows because that'd be ridiculous I can understand like you know.

35:22.90

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:32.23

Paul Garny

Buying your way to like be the guy that holds up the arms of the competitors or like being a huge sponsor and like um getting an athlete in there that might not have qualified but at least you paid so much money that the show happened because if you get an athlete in there something like that I could understand that but Like. To be the guy who's like yeah I'll pay for X amount of money so I can compete and just shows up like a fat lard like that's just disrespectful to the athletes who actually tried and that happened at the um where was it recently that happened it wasn't the hurricane.

35:55.69

christophknoll

But I.

36:05.98

christophknoll

Well, even even even like if you came in like my my side of things like Lifestyle fitness and like you know like take like for example, me and like I'm fairly decently um like for Lifestyle Fitness I'm fairly decently built and even if I went on there.

36:13.18

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

36:23.57

christophknoll

I would be absolutely fucking destroyed but that's just the funny part of thinking about if someone had the ability to buy their way in.

36:31.79

Paul Garny

Yeah, and it's ah it's a wild concept that you asked that because it's it happens in other sports. So you know who is to say it's not ever going to happen in bodybuilding. Um, but I think with bodybuilding's popularity lately is definitely going to be.

36:49.20

Paul Garny

I don't think it's going to happen just because there's so much backing now to it especially because of social media that you know they're not they don't really require the funding anymore. Um, it used to be like you know, bodybuilding, especially like an arnold's day. There was no money in it. You know the the. Arnold was working like 2 like other jobs on top of um, his bodybuilding because there was just no money there. It just wasn't there yet. Ah you know there is there are prizes for bodybuilding shows and stuff like that. But it was definitely not enough to live off of. So back then it would have been way more like way more possible to have you know a competitor buy their way in but nowadays there's a lot of funding and I think that it's not something that they necessarily need but there was a show recently that. I trying to find what show it was okay here it is um npc national so that was in Florida I couldn't really forgot the nationals. Yeah, so npc is. It's a weird. So the npc and I e yeah, they're all computers competing. Um.

37:48.14

christophknoll

Npcs.

37:54.37

christophknoll

It's a non-player character. That's what it is.

38:00.96

Paul Garny

So npc and ifbb is like kind of like um, like kind of like a parent and child like company. Essentially so npc is like amateur only organizations. That's run by the ifbb. So. It's kind of like an npc is a child organization of ifbb and ifbb is like the professional league. So. It's kind of like saying like the differences between triple a and double a and stuff like that in other sports. Um, so you move your way through the npc. When you're pro card and then you compete in the ifbb international federation of bodybuilding. Um, so that's what that's how the npc versus ibb works npc um, there was a show in Florida the npc nationals um my coach won overall last year for men's physique. He didn't compete the nationals you campaign the nationals I forget I don't think he can be in the ashes. No no, no, he didn't compete the nationals. This was like two weeks ago um he won last year got his pro card. Um, it's a big honor to win overall so I was very excited for him. But this year there's a competitor in thenpcnationals who didn't even look like a bodybuilder. He just looked like some dude who just showed up. But the thing is the thing is is to to qualify for the npc nationals you have to win top 5 I think of another npc show or something like that. It's some stupid requirement It's so easy to get so like as long as he showed up I think like.

39:29.45

Paul Garny

For his class. He could have been the only 1 competing in his class and that's the invite. Essentially yeah so he showed up this dude looked terrible like is like no offense to him. He just was not a body builder. He just was not a guy who represents.

39:31.36

christophknoll

And get certain vote.

39:46.86

Paul Garny

The world of bodybuilding So when he showed up on stage a lot of these guys found it offensive because they're like we put on this effort and work into look in the best we can and this dude's able to step on stage next to us and look this way. So It's definitely a bit controversial there. Um, you know all the power to the guy who stepped on stage because he technically earned his way there and he just you know be be like that's the old like ah hate the player or hate the game not the player and you know exactly and that's what he did.

40:12.26

christophknoll

Well yeah, if if there's if there's a system in place. There's a way to manipulate the system that goes for anything.

40:20.42

Paul Garny

Um, so here I'll show you a photo. That's what he looked like.

40:25.13

christophknoll

He's got no back definition. But.

40:25.36

Paul Garny

He just no, he just has he has so much like I'm sure if he got down to a lean state just like anybody else. He'd look good. He has muscle mass. You can tell he has muscle into there and I'm sure he trains but he did not It's like he just. Was like an open is like he was offseason and then just showed up like middle of Offeason and not even just like any offseason like a dirty dirty bulk offseason like like really just 8 mcdonald's every single day kind of offseason and then just showed up on stage like that's what it looks like and you know if you played the game right.

40:44.90

christophknoll

Yeah.

41:00.58

Paul Garny

You know, fair to him but he you know he stuffed on stage because he earned it and that's just how it is and hate to hate the game. Not the player. Um, so you know it happens and you know people could potentially one day buy themselves in but you know over the past. 10 years the popularity has really grown the divisions have drastically changed especially men's physique which we dive into men's physique has drastically changed over the years even the past ten years is so different from ten years ago to now um that it's going to just get bigger and better each year and there's could be more funding and. I mean the the even there was like actual um prizes for each competitor is more and more each year overall so it's really exciting to see that um, but it's also more open to scrutiny for that reason and more people trying to capitalize on it because now there is money in bodybuilding. You know there is money and having a social media presence and having a good physique and all of that. So. There are those that manipulate it and there are those that um you know, look good on social and don't look good on stage and you got to make your decision what you want to look like and um. For those that are in bodybuilding. You know there's plenty of bodybuilders that look phenomenal in social media and just get decimated on stage I mean there's one Youtuber I forget his name I don't follow him at all he competes in men's physique and he's had 5 4 5 series on his Youtube of what's called road to pro and yeah and he.

42:23.92

christophknoll

You tell me about this.

42:28.70

Paul Garny

Lost every single time and hasn't made pro and it's because he has a good social media look so he has all this confidence that he's going to win but then he just doesn't have the stage presence of the stage look and what matters is a stage look um so cbum someone like cbom is the is the exception. He looks phenomenal on social media and on stage. But. Ah, you got to pick and choose and you know a lot of these guys who are in social media who want to compete in bodybuilding. Don't realize what size and weight you actually need and what you need to go through because typically when you're getting ready for a show. You're not going to look good and that's not going to reflect well on social media. Um, and so like. For instance, there is a video watching recently. Where the guy this guy was saying look you know on social media. These guys might look huge but at the end of the day. These guys are like one hundred fifty hundred and seventy pounds at the most just lean so they they take you to the right angle so that they take the right photos and they look huge but like for myself I'm like ones 97 right now. Give or take depending on the day. Um and like even though I don't think that I have a good physique if I were to really lean down I'd look bigger than those dudes who are one seventy on social media because me lean would be like dice for a show would be higher than 71 so kind of strain from topic here. But. Yeah, so that's kind of the state right now and the stage presence is a huge thing I mean Rami is a good example of what we're talking about right now is that he looks phenomenal in photos and videos and look dice to the gills like ten weeks out but then he just didn't show up right? And that's just typical Romney behavior. Ah you know prior to 2020.

44:01.13

Paul Garny

That's what he pulled every single year. He'd look amazing. Everybody predict him for the win and then he'd just show up just subpar and he just would not win. Um, he'd come close usually like top 5 he was pretty consistent top 5 competitor but he did not ever come in the way that his photos and videos looked and um, it's really disappointing for that fact because. Everybody was sure Romney was going to win this year he won two years in a row he looked even better in photos and videos this year than he ever looked and then he steps on stage and it's like what the fuck happened so just unfortunate.

44:31.48

christophknoll

Well so I think that I think that brings up an interesting point to um and I'm gonna make I'm gonna compare the judging to a jury selection. So when you get selected for a jury you get asked all these questions about the case at Hand for.

44:38.49

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

44:47.98

christophknoll

Basically did determine if you have a bias and you know in the if you if you show that you have any bias. You know you get taken off the jury and you just go home when it comes to judging for you know the olympia or arnold or any of these other big competitions that you just mentioned.

44:48.61

Paul Garny

Are.

44:56.73

Paul Garny

Are.

45:07.43

christophknoll

It's kind of impossible to ignore a bias because if you are that deep into the world. You obviously will have some physique that you you know have preference over another. So I'm wondering from you know, just the observer side of things.

45:18.30

Paul Garny

Okay, we here.

45:26.59

christophknoll

How that momentum actually applies to you know the judging. So for example, sibo now picked up his fourth year in a row and I I think looking at the physiques I mean I I think out of the top 5 that were there acebom absolutely cleaned house.

45:36.16

Paul Garny

Ah, my.

45:45.33

christophknoll

Um, I'll I mean we'll talk a little bit more about men's classic in ah in a bit but I think that um with him being the 4 time champ now he has this momentum. He has such a following and I feel like there is no way to avoid at least one of the judges having a preference so I'm wondering. How much of that momentum is actually applied into the into the judging because I don't know I just I think that for someone to we've talked about like dethroning like when Jay Cutler dethroned Ronnie or something like that. Like you have to have had your own momentum and somehow overtake the momentum train of the other person. So I think that it's an interesting thing to think about for our current state with cbum how he has such a ride like such a train going and how can someone overtake that.

46:24.90

Paul Garny

Better.

46:38.70

Paul Garny

Deliver.

46:40.26

christophknoll

Like we have. We have the social media presence we have his consistent winning. We have his stage presence and that's not to discredit anybody else. But how does someone overtake that because I feel like it does not all come down to Physique I don't know I want your opinion on that though.

46:55.13

Paul Garny

Yeah, no, that's a good point is that the judges obviously are the entire deciding factor and no matter we're we're all human here. That's the thing with the judges is that you need to give them some some grace because we're all human and there's going to be bias and when a judge is a fan of an athlete. It's going to happen and you know they might say oh I'm not going to show any bias or anything like that but subconsciously they're probably going to show some sort of bias so it is kind of hard to break that you know cycle of a winner. You know, winning from year over year and um you know looking back at the past Miss Olympia I do want to correct myself ja didn't win for 4 years in a row he won zero six zero seven and then zero Nine Ten Dexter Jackson 1 8 Dexa Jackson is also a good example of someone who paid his dues because he he competed for 20 enty olympias 20 years he competed in Mr. Olympia. Um, very very huge accomplishment there I think he was done 2019 I think might have been his last year no later than 2020 so I think it was one of those years. But um, yeah, you're going to have different. Um, you're definitely going to have different phases essentially of judging. Ah, for instance. Because like you're going to have the judges who preferred size over everything and that's kind of where the Dorian Yates and Ronnie Coleman came from but then you're going to have judges who kind of rewarded you know more aesthetics which was prior to Dorian Yates era you know you got like Arnold Franco Colombo um Chris Dickerson

48:25.43

Paul Garny

Frank Zane stuff like that they're way more aesthetic than you know any other like mass monsters is what they're called um and there are also way more I almost want to say I imagine they were way more passionate because the money wasn't there. You know now that the money's there. There's a bit more motivation for this industry but back in the day I mean fucking Arnold's the most he ever won for the olympia is 25 grand in 1980 but prior to that he won 191974 so 1970 through 1975 he won the olympias. And he the most he was rewarded out of that strain from 70 to 75 he won 2500? That's like nothing. Yeah, it's it's for the love of the sport is what it is and.

49:09.19

christophknoll

You do it you you're doing it just for pride just for pride and honor. Yeah.

49:19.21

Paul Garny

He won. Um, you know those years in a row so like clearly the money isn't there. There's no money in bodybuilding back then so you know there there just wasn't you know the people who were involved with it. Did it for the sheer love of doing it. You know it was. It wasn't I don't even think it was I don't think it was televised. I mean fucking Tvs were betterly around back then um, you were lucky if you had a Tv in your your house back then? Um, so it wasn't really televised. It was really just shown in like the you know certain select magazines and for those that just went to the show. It's kind of like going to like. You know some like small-time martial arts competition. It's like really the only people who know what happens the people who went so that's what ends up happening at those olympias but then over the years I mean since thousand and fifteen the winners of the Missie Olympia for men's open win $400000 I mean just when in the olympia each year you can live a phenomenal life. Yes, for the winners of the men's opal. Yes, well listen to this so those second place to Mr Olympia wins 150 grand so.

50:14.56

christophknoll

You you said 400000 for the men's open men's class. Men's classic was 50 k that's such a severe drop off.

50:29.45

christophknoll

Hello.

50:32.15

Paul Garny

Second to first is obviously a huge thing in money. But then again, if you're winning top 3 or even top 5 Mr Olympia you got so much money in sponsorships. You're not really worried about how much money you win from the olympia like these guys are bringing in like each of these guys for sponsorships.

50:41.76

christophknoll

That is true.

50:48.72

Paul Garny

I'd be surprised if hadi is making less than like like thirty k a month in sponsorships like I'd be very surprised. Ah so um, these guys make they make bank. Ah you know they they got these sponsorships. They got these endorsements I mean even oxygen gym. I think oxygen pays Brandon Curry like five hundred Grand a year or some shit to train at his gym or like oxygen's gym and like compete for them under their umbrella and you know who I think you know who fucking owns oxygen is some like prince. And Kuwait like he's just a guy who loves bodybuilding. They do doesn't even fucking train. The guy who runs the gym doesn't even work out. He just loves the art of bodybuilding like he was talking about it in a generation iron documentary oxygen gym is just state of the art I'd love to train there one day like I want to go to Kuwait just to train at the gym just to try it out. But. Like he was talking about how he just loves a sport and he just loves it. it's like you know it's it's like anybody who watches football or baseball or something but's never played the sport. You just find it entertaining like I watch f one but I've never raced a car in my life I just love the sport I love watching it and that's how it is for him so he just Brandon just fucking makes bank. You know each year just for training at oxygen and working under their umbrella that opened a lot of doors for him as far as like other sponsorships as well because everybody who's coming out of oxygen is typically a strong competitor when it comes to the olympia. Um, but ah so.

52:15.63

christophknoll

So you're you're you're saying you're saying I need to gun for an empire sponsorship.

52:17.21

Paul Garny

To answer your question is.

52:22.87

Paul Garny

Yeah, just just have empire be the next oxygen in the us and you'll be set life. Um, good luck with that though because that's gym's like millions of dollars um oxygen is I mean there's so much money back in that. Yeah, but um, so.

52:32.45

christophknoll

While I know I know I'm just I'm just poking funed.

52:40.92

Paul Garny

So there is obviously like bias you know, don't get me wrong. There's there's going to be some bias is going to be. You know they're human. So we're going to disagree with some of their results in some of the what people think is ideal for the for the winner for the winners. Um, you know, looking back. There are controversial wins like I've mentioned but at the end of day I think that this year I truly agree with how they resulted in the olympia not classic I didn't agree with classic which we'll talk about but men's open. Definitely agree with that I'm I'm so so happy for that. Ah, the results I think came in like between like eleven and midnight last night and I was asleep by then. Um, or around then so I didn't really pay attention to the results I didn't see them till this morning. But um, I'm so happy with the results of this olympia which never really happens for me at least so very happy with that.

53:31.52

christophknoll

I was I was just about calling it a day. It was around midnight might maybe like twelve thirty and I just did one last sweep of my socials just to clear out my notifications and I saw that seebom had posted his ah metal picture. So ah.

53:43.69

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah I looked up all the instagrams of all the people that competed and I was like okay now I see see what I'm winning. So okay, so now let's dive into classic because this is what I'm really excited about so classic. Ah.

53:47.36

christophknoll

Yeah.

53:52.92

christophknoll

Yeah, let's go classic before I was I was gonna say before you go and release your your your your boner. But ah before we before we get into that ah is there a because I've seen a.

54:01.74

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

54:08.35

christophknoll

Pictures of sebomb weighing in and whatnot is there a weight difference between men's open and men's classic.

54:15.10

Paul Garny

Absolutely and that's the biggest deciding factor. Um, let me see I'm looking up I'm looking up. It's based off height. So okay, so here this is the I Pb Pros website which I think runs the olympia. So.

54:18.59

christophknoll

I think it's 2 40 for men's classic.

54:31.53

Paul Garny

It's entirely based off of height for classic physique. So this is for okay, so if you're if you're six four so it's usually one inch and then up to the next inch. So for 6 three up to and including six four

54:32.57

christophknoll

Let me know let me know what my weight has to be under for six four

54:49.52

Paul Garny

You're way in wait, get ready for this ready 255 you have to be on there. Two fifty five up to an including two hundred and fifty five pounds so you'd be absolutely fucking massive on stage for classic physique. Absolutely you would.

54:50.90

christophknoll

I have to hit this way or be under it I have to be under it or okay, so so so my my goal of two forty Five would be fine.

55:07.31

Paul Garny

Definitely be able to compete in classic technically that's lean though we're talking lean like offseason stage two forty five off season two forty five then lean, you would be. You would look small. Ah just because of the weight difference but when it comes to classic.

55:16.58

christophknoll

Yeah.

55:23.52

Paul Garny

Sea bums on the taller end and he's what 6 1 right? Yeah so he has to be under. He's up to and including two hundred and thirty pounds so so these weight caps people argue shouldn't there shouldn't be weight caps in classic physique then I argue.

55:24.77

christophknoll

E 6 one? yeah.

55:31.56

christophknoll

Ok.

55:42.21

Paul Garny

What's the point of having classic if you're going to have weight if you're not going to have weight caps because then that's just men's open. That's the point of men's open is that there is no weight cap. So what's to stop men's open competitors from competing in classic physique like Derek Lunsford competing in classic physique you would like make everybody look small like that's just.

55:46.91

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:01.80

Paul Garny

There's a reason for the weight caps. There's a reason for the weight caps and it's so that you have this classic physique look There's a look to classic physique that they go for and that's what these weight caps are for so. That's this that's the different. That's a differentiating decider. For for classic physique and you have to come into these weights and you have to so the weigh in typically happens the day before the competition. So I think Olympia is actually a two day competition for most divisions I think definitely um, men's open and classic I think are two days definitely men's open classic I'm not hundred percent sure about. I don't usually watch the live stream I watch the highlights and results and everything um and the posing routines after the fact I don't have all data sit there and watch it. Um, but with that being said, um I want a sick classic was two days men's open was definitely two days. So. It's a different ballgame the most most shows because how it works is typically weigh in the night before like usually around five P M the night before the show but then for the olympia two days so it might be the morning of Friday then you do your pre-judging Friday night and then your routine in finals on Saturday and then the actual deciding results on Saturday. So so whenever they um whenever they actually weigh in I think might be Friday so you got to you got to be at that weight for the way in time which you find out for your division. So it doesn't matter how heavy or light you come in for the actual prejudging in finals and all that all that matters is you hit your weight at way in just like any you know like.

57:25.90

christophknoll

Yeah Ufc fight.

57:28.41

Paul Garny

Every single. Yes, exactly what I was going to mention Ufc as long as you come into that wait for the weigh in you're good after that they drink a gallon of water put on some weight and then they're bigger for the yeah, they're bigger for the actual fight. So that's that's how it works here in a sense. Obviously you kind of want to stay relatively the same weight you don't want to get.

57:36.61

christophknoll

Oh they get huge. They get huge.

57:48.15

Paul Garny

Bloated or watered out you know or anything like that. So um, you know they stay pretty close to the same weight but you want to make sure you're under that weight when you show up to the um when you show up to the way in. So that's really what you need to be your most dehydrated and lightest is then and then you want there's obviously a science to it. Um. So there's more to it than just like you know than just showing up the right weight and then doing whatever after you know might have like a few steps of water after a little bit of food then the next day you wake up and try to look the best you can regardless of your weight. So. That's how it works. So. The the classic physique weight cap is really what sets it apart? Um, you know, typically when it comes to classic. You're going to see ah guys on the taller side guys on the taller side are the ones who typically have the more classic look extremely small waist extremely wide shoulders. Ah Chris Bumsted is basically the perfect example of classic physique look at least this year last year I think he fell short I think Tert's roughin should have won and we're going to talk about that as well. But um c bumm this year was wellde deserveved. So for the results this year Chris absolutely deserved it. Once I saw Chris I was like fuck. There's no beating that like that is such a phenomenal look. He came in the best he's ever looked and like I can't even describe how like godly he looked this year and you know you know naturally we want to root for the underdog when somebody's winning for multiple years in a row.

59:19.99

Paul Garny

Um, Chris Bombmstead kind of became a meme. So there's a lot of people rooting for him I always kind of like there's ah other physiques that I think are better than his in my opinion like there's other physiques I'd rather have than Chris Bombumsteads especially offseason and not on stage on stage. You know there's no beating Chris like everybody wants this physique, especially this year but off so off stage and social media and stuff like that I think there's better physiques. Ah but on stage he just comes in perfect and this year it was such a good decision to move away from so his brother in law is Ian vair I believe I get I get him and anttoine ev mixed up I don't know why. Is I know Ian Viir is his brother in law and that's how Chris bumsstead got into bodybuiling so Ian Viir is um let me just make sure I'm mention the right person because I always get them mixed up. Um, yeah, so. Ian Vae is Chris Bombststead's brotherin law he married his sister Chris Bombmstead sister the reason Chris Bumstead got into bodybuilding is because of Ian Ian saw him you know Chris sometimes you're just you're just gifted with muscle mass and all of that and Chris just looked amazing.

01:00:35.41

christophknoll

Well I've seen I've seen pictures of c bum at 18 and it's I mean he's a unit.

01:00:36.74

Paul Garny

As it was and yeah he looked gnarly. Yeah, obviously people argue whether or not he was natural back then um, there's plenty of guys I went to high school with that weren't natural and it's not hard to get gear when you're a kid. Um, even a teenager and I wouldn't be surprised if he was taking a little bit of test I don't think he needed to take a lot to get the physique that he got ah but I think that. That's obviously another controversial story controversial conversation. But um, he looked amazing as it was and regardless of whatever he might have been hypothetically taking he still looked way beyond any 18 year old ever looks and sometimes you can just tell when somebody's destined for bodybuilding and he just was and. That's what Ian was saying to him he said look you're just destined for bodybuilding and I'll be your coach and we'll get you to a good place and under Ian's wing Chris won 3 olympias for classic physique and um, you know it was a great you know relationship that they had but I think at the end of the day Chris kind of Outgrew Ian. And 2021 Olympia kind of showed that I think that Chris and Chris and the division itself were kind of going in a direction that Ian couldn't really keep up with as far as his knowledge goes Ian is a phenomenal bodybuilder I just think that um knowing the the way that.

01:02:01.68

Paul Garny

People work in this industry and knowing the ins and outs for the most part is that Ian just kind of didn't have the expertise to to help Chris proceed with his physique and get bigger and better so he ended up transitioning to um, let me see who it was I'm looking at it right here. Um, so Ian is no longer his prep coach. So Chris buumstead started working with Honey Rambo honey rambod is a very very famous bodybuilding coach. He's right up there with like Chris acio so honey rambod ah. Is now Chris's coach and it showed fucking night and day when he was under honey rambod because he came in this year absolutely amazing and just hani just knew exactly what to do with his physique and. I'm really excited for Chris in that sense that he made the right decision because transitioning coaches. Especially when you've been with Ian for so long and have won so much like the Olympia There's no going beyond that there's no higher place and he talked about how like sad it kind of is to have won the olympia because now there's nothing else to strive for.

01:03:13.50

christophknoll

Well you you strive to break the the 8 if you can beat the 8 then you're you're in you're in a league of your own.

01:03:13.20

Paul Garny

Now you just maintain you just got to keep it going well, that's the thing with classic though. Yeah, that's the thing with classic though is that he's already broken the record classic and Miss Olympia's started in 2016 so

01:03:28.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:03:30.82

Paul Garny

There is no beating 8 olympias granted if he won 8 or 9 He would technically have the most Mr Olympia titles in men's competing competing ah in women's yeah, it's not men's open but in women's competing or Mr Olympia there is.

01:03:38.49

christophknoll

Are it's yeah, men's open.

01:03:46.74

Paul Garny

A female bodybuilder she competed in like the top women's one I don't think it's around anymore I forget what it's called. It might still be there I'm not sure but she won 9 I forget her name she owns a powerhouse gym in vegas now with her husband who's also a competitor I don't think he competes anymore but she won 9 so she technically she has the record which great for her. She put in a lot of effort and I'm I don't know where her health is but there's no fucking way in hell she isn't was in a good place after 9 fucking olympias. But anyways, if cbom was were to break that record it would be huge but it wouldn't be men's open. It's not like he's a Mr Olympia he's a Mr Olympia classic physique so that's another conversation. There for him to have with himself but he did talk about how like there is no bigger and better show. He has now won the cream of the crop. You know there's no better show. So at the same time It's also would have been hard for him to switch coaches because he's gone so far with Ian and Ian's got him to the literally the top show 3 times in a row.

01:04:42.27

christophknoll

Well, there's also the emotion the emotional attachment to because I mean this isn't just a regular coach. This is a family member.

01:04:44.24

Paul Garny

And won it. Oh absolutely. Yeah, it's a brother in law and I know that they ended it on good terms because they're still close and they had a interview about it and they were smiling and laughing and at the end of the day. It's it's very emotional I mean anytime you leave a coach. You know I've left a coach in the past and it is very emotional because you know that coaches there by your side through your entire journey and you know my I like if I ever leave my coaching with now you know it would be very emotional because we've been through so much and there is we've been through you know. Times where my bodies were reacted negatively to things and has reacted amazingly and there's times where you know he had to keep me in check and there's times where he you know was proud of me for just you know for making the strides that I have so there's a lot more to it than just it's like any sport sporting coach. You know I'm sure that. You know Bill Belichick and Tom Brading splitting was was emotional. You know you build this connection with someone who's there by your side and you know coaching you to a better place and then to move on to somebody else. It is a lot to to go through I'm sure and. Especially for cbum you know there is you know, probably no more emotional place than being at the place that he was when it comes to switching coaches and at the same time It's also so risky because you have no idea how this next coach is going to be but.

01:06:10.80

Paul Garny

He's at least able to work with Hani Rambot who's known for being an amazing coach. So Hani was able to take him to the right place and it was a phenomenal decision to get with hani and do this show. Ah under Hani's wing and he made a phenomenal decision. So with that being said Chris came in absolutely amazing. Now to continue onto my controversial opinion this is going to probably raise some you know eyebrows or maybe start some conversations. Um, if you're listening to this Ramon did not deserve second I will die on that fucking hell so ramon.

01:06:41.10

christophknoll

All right at Wells the this this is where we're going to fight.

01:06:47.52

Paul Garny

I respect him he looked good. He came in lean, he does not have the physique for second place that is my opinion. He does not have the classic look where I think he could definitely be a great contender is he puts on some size he needs some size kind of a little overall all around his body, especially his back. And he needs to fix his fucking vacuum his vacuum pisses me off like when you're in classic men's opens a different different world. You don't nearly need to have that strong of a vacuum pose but his vacuum is so fucking whack and you know people are going to disagree with that and. That's totally fair. It's entirely subjective I just think that if you're competing on the classic stage I think you need to have your vacuum dialed the fuck in and I think that you need to really have a strong vacuum and if you don't you're going to be set apart and that's the reason I think that. To me Ramon really should not have gotten second because he doesn't have his vacuum dialed in and at the same time he just does not have the look he doesn't have the classic look so I think personally the way he should have placed looking at the results of the classic physique is I think. This is so this is this is what I think so I think who I always ever see Freakin top 5 so let me look up the classic physique top 10 because there's a guy there I forgot his fucking name. Um.

01:08:17.85

Paul Garny

Olympia um, so top 10 for this year fucking it's all qualified. Um I had his name earlier.

01:08:33.30

Paul Garny

I forget his name there' is a there's a competitor who I believe place sixth I don't think it was Terence roughffin that play 6 I think he plays seventh I could be wrong. Um, yeah, so fobi and mayor that's his name foby a mayor. Um, he. Should have gotten higher than he did. He is like c bum without the popularity is what I thought he kind of looked like on stage so Fabi and Mayor M A Y R he looked amazing. Um I think that Fabian.

01:09:10.53

Paul Garny

Should have looking at his conditioning his legs needed a little bit more conditioning. Ah and his upper body needed a slight bit more conditioning but his structure is phenomenal I Think what should have happened was I think.

01:09:28.64

Paul Garny

Ramon should have gotten this is how I would have placed it I think it should have been Chris Bombmststead then uz kalazynski for second then I'm kind of on the fence of brion being third or Fabi and mean third and then. Whoever gets fourth out of that then Ramon getting fifth and then Mike Summerfield not even being the top 5 I'm surprised he even got top 5 um.

01:09:52.24

christophknoll

Yeah, when I when I watched the their routines and I saw Mike it was I mean you know he has the size but for when I was looking at him. He has no tone like it's the size is there but there was no like.

01:10:02.30

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:10:08.70

christophknoll

I Saw it specifically in his in his shoulders and in his chest ab section like there was just no true definition there he had size. Don't get me wrong. He looked like a unit but it wasn't cut and diced.

01:10:18.57

Paul Garny

Um, yes, so Mike um, why am I drawing a blink mike okay it it s o m yes s o m I was looking up his photos and I typed in SuM so he looks.

01:10:25.12

christophknoll

Summer field. Yeah, it's s O and I'm E R It's funny because for for for a German dude. That's such a like Beta name like.

01:10:36.99

Paul Garny

As such an american name Summerfield um, so hit like offstage it in photos. This dude has such an amazing physique. He looks so good. Um, but onst stage. The problem was his midsection which is washed out. So that's why it was so surprising that he ended up getting the placing that he did let alone first callout first callout was even surprising and and that was that's where the controversy kind of comes in is you know people like Mike or people who see mike on stage and they're like. I don't know if he should have gotten it like that's where the currentversion comes from is that it's like he came in great. Don't get me wrong. He looked really good and I would only strive for I could only strive for a physique like Mike's don't get me wrong. You know we're talking about people who I'm hoping to look like one day so you know I'm not. Trying to be like that guy who's like who knows everything about bodybuiling. These are just all my opinion. Um, and I can't speak out on any of this from experience I've obviously never competed in you know Olympia I'm going to start competing next year and men's physique and so like these guys are just way bigger than me. Obviously so there's more to it than just meets the eye. He has a phenomenal physique. His latinerions are amazing. His arms are ginormous. His arms are insane but his midsection is just where I think that he should have gotten more dialed in if he if he had a more diced midsection and wasn't so washed out he would have looked much better, but that's just my opinion. Um, so at the end of the day I think that Fabian.

01:12:09.30

Paul Garny

Should have gotten either third or fourth same with brion third or fourth I'm not a fan of Leon's look I've never been a fan of his so that's just I'm just placing him there because I know that you know he deserves out of conditioning but just his overall structure I'm not the biggest fan of but I think that Ramon should have gotten fifth and I just. I just really don't like the way. Yeah Ramon looks I just don't think he has the classic look I think he is just like ah he looks like a bigger men's physi competitor in Asic trunks.

01:12:39.64

christophknoll

That's well I was thinking when I I don't know sorry I was thinking completely thought we forgot we were talking about brion but Mike I was thinking like size wise men's open is is a lot better fit if he just adds more size because.

01:12:47.43

Paul Garny

Yes.

01:12:55.77

Paul Garny

Um.

01:12:56.97

christophknoll

I Don't know me personally I just see the the size and how it wasn't as diced and I think that there's potential to just pack on serious size on top of that and just work with that I don't know that obviously me not having the as you know in-depth understanding of the sport as you do. But when I see.

01:13:03.85

Paul Garny

Yep.

01:13:15.89

christophknoll

Mike compared to the other top 5 people there I thought that you know lot more size throw them in men's open.

01:13:24.58

Paul Garny

Yeah, so looking at this the pre-judging photos great oh my god Ramon's vacuum just pisses me off anyways, um, so looking at the pre-judging photos I think that yeah fabiin looks amazing I think Fabi and deserve more. So Mike.

01:13:32.19

christophknoll

Um, ah.

01:13:41.88

Paul Garny

So the thing with classic is here's the thing so when it comes to bodybuilding. You're going to have a structure for 1 of the divisions typically not multiple dere lusford moving from two 12 to Mr Olympia I think 122 is more of like a stepping stone because 2 12 amends olymp or men's open is kind of like It's 2 12 a smaller men's open is really what it is so in a sense. It's kind of the same judging. It's just a different size of person so you can essentially make the transition from 2 12 to Mr Limp or men's open pretty easily. But for someone who's like men's physique versus classic versus men's open. You're going to have completely different structures. So someone who competes in men's physique on the pro stage typically speaking doesn't really work into classic um and then classic typically doesn't work in a men's open because men's open you kind of have to be born with the science capabilities of getting men's open. You know there's they're guys who are just put on muscle mass like know tomorrow and those are the guys who belong in men's open classic physique is arguably in my opinion the harder one to hit because you have to be able to put on so a decent amount of size and at the same time have an amazing structure so to. Go from classic to men's open is kind of kind of pushing your your physique because you'd have to put on way more muscle size and overall muscle mass and on top of that you're going to start compromising your structure because.

01:15:12.38

Paul Garny

Ah, originally your structure wasn't necessarily designed for men's open so I wouldn't argue that Mike deserves to or belongs to men's open I just think that Mike should have came in more conditioned ah looking at his physique. You know there are certain poses that look good. But I think that his legs look a little. Less conditioned. His midsection is not the best um he needs to get his overall he needs to get his abdominal ah muscle bellies in check because his muscle bellies just really aren't there when it comes to abs. But that's 1 thing that Chris has that's a phenomenal is. His abs section is just um, um, absolutely amazing. His abs are just beautiful and he has his physique or his ah vacuum sorry his vacuum just dialed in so he just knows exactly how to pose and that's also another reason Chris Baum said is so far ahead is that his posing is just next level. And posing is such a place such a big routine and that's why I argue that Ramon didn't deserve second but that's just my opinion. Um.

01:16:13.40

christophknoll

Well watching the ah the their poses even the length that they do their poses for like bumpsteads up there for a solid like minute minute half almost 2 minutes and then when I watched like hers was was only like 30 seconds 45 site like.

01:16:28.70

Paul Garny

With yeah.

01:16:30.11

christophknoll

They're not they weren't up there for nearly the same amount of time and obviously that comes from your your routine and having the comfortability and being it because it's a workout to do opposing routine. So I think that in itself speaks to you know? and obviously I don't know how the judging works per se but I feel like.

01:16:37.79

Paul Garny

Oh absolutely. Absolutely.

01:16:49.26

christophknoll

If you can pose for longer that should give you more you know weight in terms of your your like point system.

01:16:55.15

Paul Garny

I think that I see what you're saying I just would argue that it's more about quality versus quantity when it comes to timing time. Yeah.

01:17:01.48

christophknoll

Well oh yeah, I'm not I'm not say taking anything away from that I'm just saying if you're able to pose for 3 minutes and it's like top tier posing that speaks super highly of your your yeah.

01:17:12.69

Paul Garny

Yeah I agree I can I can see what you mean by that. But I think that if like errors was like look 45 seconds on stage for my posing routine. Highlights. Everything I want to highlight and gets everything done anything pushing past that is kind of diminishing returns then. I can I can respect that cbum is known for his posing. Um obviously is amazing phique but is known for his posing. Ah so you know him being up on stage like that for his routine is just kind of what he's famous for but looking at seabum versus Ramon isious fucking night and day. Like it just not even closed like sea bum' is going to go down as one of the best bodybuilders of all time and it comes to classic phyique and it's well-des deserved. But yeah I mean it's just Ramon's posing that just drives me nuts. It's just like he's good everywhere but his vacuum like he has a good ah you know, um. Am I drawing a blink on it the ab crunch Paul Pose I forget what it's called um, put your hands in your head. Yeah might yeah you put your hands behind your head and you crunch your abs and flex your th your quads yeahs abs and thigh whatever it's called. He has a good vacuum there. But when it comes to like his front double.

01:18:16.50

christophknoll

Abs and thigh. Yeah.

01:18:28.21

Paul Garny

He doesn't use a vacuum really at all I mean he sucks in his gut but he doesn't vacuum which I think is kind of part of classic because you have to do a vacuum and when he does a side chest Ramon doesn't do a vacuum at all so he his arm his so when he's doing his right side chest. He's like me I use my right arm to flex. So. My right? Peck is forward facing forward when he has his right side chest his belly isn't vacuum so it kind of protrudes a little bit and makes him look a bit bigger like in the abdominal section where if you put him next to sea bum. He has his vacuum and so he's able to tuck his arm under his ribs and give more of an illusion of a bigger chest and bigger rib cage and a smaller waist and smaller belly. So it just looks night and day there too. So that's my biggest thing with Ramon is that. He needs to fix his vacuum in my opinion he needs to get that dowled in and then at the same time his rear double pose. He needs to get his back more dialed in and then just put more size on obviously so he needs to just work on that and then I think he'd be a great contender. He just needs to he just needs some work I think that ers. He's a little bit more leg size but his upper body I think should have gotten him to second place and.

01:19:41.74

christophknoll

I Think what Urs brought to that you know obviously seeb on wiped the floor with everybody for this. But I think us brought a really really good presence like I watched his routine and yeah it was shorter but he was maintaining you know crowd control.

01:19:51.69

Paul Garny

Click.

01:19:58.65

christophknoll

Couple different sections where he asked the crowd to hype up like he maintained a really good atmosphere during his.

01:19:58.95

Paul Garny

You know.

01:20:06.40

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, Uz is a great Guy. He's also a really cool dude normally and he has the passion for it and the the routine and everything and he is.. He's such a hard worker when it comes to bodybuilding. It's just I think that he deserves a lot more and um I just ever since I saw him I think it was. 2020 I don't know what he placed in 2020 I can't remember but he just looked amazing and I was like Wow I like this guy's look I just like it and just like the way he looks on stage and even though he needs a more bit more size I Just I think he looked great and then this year I'm just like this dude I Think. If he can get more size in his legs I think he can dethrone cress honestly I don't think remote.

01:20:46.39

christophknoll

Well I I saw you were calling it about a week week prior or something like that and maybe not for this olympia but you were saying like if there's gonna be a guy. It's gonna be hers. Yeah.

01:20:55.67

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, I think if anyone's going to dethrone Chris within the next couple of years his stuff. It can be ers. He doesnt needs e si nose leg. So then he's there. That's it his upper body is pretty much there if you can maintain maybe gain a little bit of size in his upper body and then just focus on his legs. He'll come in amazing. And like his posing is there. His presence is there. His attitude is there respect and everything it's just he just needs to get to that place. Um with his legs looking at more of the classic physique photos I was so disappointed. So here's here's where the drama kind of comes in 2 people. I had in top 5 prior to the show that didn't place top 5 Terence Roughffin um he placed I think sixth either 6 or seventh he was in the so when they do the they did the first callouts which is top 7 and then they do a second series of callouts after that which is like. What into 3 and 4 and then I think 5 through 7 and I think he was in the middle of 5 through 7 or maybe it's 6 through eight I always maybe it's top 3 I don't know the arrangement I was reading about it last night the arrangement is different. They do another series of callouts of the first callout to compare different like smaller groups of people to see who really wins so Terrence ended up being in the third callout when it comes to the first callout split.

01:22:22.87

Paul Garny

So I think he would have played sixth if he was middle of that then I think fibien would have gotten seventh if I'm remembering correctly. So Terence I had in top 5 I don't know what happened he just came in soft. He just he he came in. Just not as li as he used to and that's part of what he's known for is that he just comes in usually absolutely insanely diced but looking at Fabi and I think that fabin definitely deserve better than Terence did I was never really following Fabi and until now I definitely going to start following him because I love his look. But um. Terrence just didn't come in the way I wanted him to I think Fabian deserved more better.

01:23:00.26

christophknoll

I'm looking at looking at Terrence right now and his ah his waist to to shoulder proportion difference is absurd absurd I can I can see he's you know, tilting and manipulating. But it's still that's crazy to go from like I mean that's.

01:23:06.50

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, the way he poses his front double. Yeah.

01:23:18.23

christophknoll

Reverse Kim Kardashian right there.

01:23:21.11

Paul Garny

Yeah, he yeah, he's really good at posing he posed with I think he did like a training or like a posing session with Lee Librata so I think he's very um, influenced by Lee Libradas posing styles so for those that don't know it's called open close open. Ah, he has a very unique style of opposing and the way that lelabrada teaches his people to pose is very you know, manipulating the waist and when you transition from one pose to the next you open up your physique. And then you close it to the pose and then you open it back up and then you close it and you open it back up and close it. So like when you do it a frontend double you you spread out your arms and then like so slide them into the next pose. So it's like it's an open close kind of posing routine and I think that's kind of what Terence adapted from. So. His overall prejudging posing styles are adapted from eitherbrada so that like angled front double that kind of makes his waist look tiny. Um, and then it's kind of sourced from that. But then you look like 1 1 other thing that. Yeah, brion lookdeson his legs need more size so but um, looking at the top 5 I'm so disappointed to not see Logan Franklin so Logan Franklin he ended up posting a video to his Instagram talking about how he had to pull out because of health reasons and he was crying and everything was very emotional for him.

01:24:47.85

Paul Garny

Obviously no one knows exactly what it was people speculate. It was his weight. He didn't come in light enough. But I think that he qualified nick strengthen power said that he qualified and he was ready to compete but then he pulled out last minute because of something health reason wise. So. I'm happy that he was able to pull out and not push his health and maybe detriment the future or injure himself because he also has a family. He has a wife and daughter so he or wife and kid I don't if it's a son or daughter I think it's a daughter so he has to be there for his family. So it's not just him. He's competing for. Um. You know it's his family too and he pulled out because of his health and I'm really disappointed not to see ah him competing because I had him top 5 and I absolutely love his physique ah his his name is the text his nickname is the text in oak um and he just looks amazing. And I think that he would have been a great contender on stage if he was able to make it but unfortunately he had the pull out last second and when I was looking at yesterday when I was looking at pre-judging I was like I guess Logan didn't really come in that well I'm not even seeing him. Like it. It is what it is I called him like probably fifth is what I was predicting so I was like I'm not surprised. He's out at top five because fifth or anywhere else is not. You know I was calling him for fifth so outside top 5 is not surprising but then I was like I'm not seeing him at all I don't see me even on the stage when they're waiting for their callouts.

01:26:17.43

Paul Garny

But where the hell is this guy. Um like but then I didn't really look into it I was like he's I just surprised. Don't see him but then he came out and yeah, he didn't compete and I was like that makes a lot more sense now because I called him top 5 and I didn't see him at all so people were like people were talking about how they noticed that he wasn't there and they're wondering why? So it's ah it's a health reason.

01:26:20.39

christophknoll

Yeah, but then you found out. Yeah yeah.

01:26:37.43

Paul Garny

So I'm glad that it wasn't you know anything else like a family emergency or something like that I'm glad that it was just something that he was able to catch you know obviously last minute but it's something he was able to catch and pull out from the show in order to fix so that. Was really disappointed for me because I've been calling him for years I've been calling it that he's going to be a strong contender one day. Um, he's needed to put on size over the years but and conditioning but he's really starting to get dialed in and back in like 20 when I started calling that he kind of came in with a boxy frame but I was like. Just knew like if he can pull in that waist I'm like if he can pull in his waist. This dude's going to look real good on stage. He he had a lot of what classic as he could looking for his just waist looked wide so over the years he's really pulled in his waist and really gotten his shoulders wider and just have the. You know the the v shape of classic and I was really excited to see him compete this year because he really pulled it together this year and he's been training a lot with Hunter Lebrada and posing with Lee Lebrada and all that too. So um, there's a lot of ah, underlying obvious signs that he was going to do well and it just we didn't get to see it which is really unfortunate. Um, so that's another thing that happened classic so Terrence and hunter are sorry, not terrence and under Terence and Logan who I both had in top 5 didn't play top 5 and that was very surprising to me so I had originally my top 5 was sebum then ers.

01:28:10.40

Paul Garny

Then I know sorry Terrence then ers then I was going to go either I was probably Goingnna go brionne for fourth just because of this of the history with Brianne. Ah I'm not the biggest fan of his look but I know everybody else likes it so I had Brian for fourth knowing the industry and then I had Logan for fifth was my prediction. And Terrence Norra Logan showed up in top 5 so um, it was just very disappointing to see the results of that. But I think cbom well deserved it I do disagree with the rest of the placings. Basically though I do I do agree with Terence is placing but the rest of it I don't agree with.

01:28:45.46

christophknoll

And that's the that's the beauty of it How it's just how opinion based it is because we both have our own opinions. The judges had their own opinions and obviously the competitors have their own opinions as well. So I think that's just yeah.

01:28:50.33

Paul Garny

Are.

01:28:56.45

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's all the same judges all the same judges and I agreed with their men's open results but completely disagree with the classic physique results outside Acebom and Terrence. It's it's you know it's entirely subjective.

01:29:03.28

christophknoll

And yeah.

01:29:10.12

Paul Garny

So It's just it's an industry. Interesting Industry. You know every other sport pretty much.. It's all black and white whether or not they won is how many points they scored or whether or not they won the race. It's all black and white. There is no opinion but something like this is entirely opinion based and it is what it is. As the industry work with.

01:29:30.40

christophknoll

1 of the well one of the curious things that I or one of the things that I was curious about while you're going on that little tangent. Um, you have the you have the prejudge pictures in front you right? with the drop on menu where you can view different people.

01:29:34.32

Paul Garny

Script. Yeah. So um, yeah, for classic? yep.

01:29:47.45

christophknoll

Yep, So while you were talking I was curious I went and I pulled up seabumps pictures and then I pulled up who was the last place. Dude what's his name. Ah woolid bad out or whatever I I'm mispronouncing his name horribly. But um. Just opened up both of their pictures and I found Seebum Side Chest and what was you know this guy's version of a side chest and what I think is it's it was just the bottom of the of the list if you're it's spelled W O um.

01:30:14.15

Paul Garny

How do you spell that.

01:30:25.15

christophknoll

W O I l I d that's wo wool it wo why o lid why it something like that l I d and then his last name is b a a t o yeah t o two t.

01:30:30.32

Paul Garny

W O I L I D T O U T.

01:30:43.90

christophknoll

And so I'm looking at just a comparison of Sebum side chest to this dude's ah side and the beautiful thing. What I think about this sport is that yeah I can see clear differences of where you know Sebum is more dice like especially like his um his. Leg pop out on the side chest and everything like that and then also just manipulating your body to make your chest look bigger and I can see subtle differences but and unlike if you gave a random person like that did not know the bodybuilding world each of these pictures. They. I Would guarantee you that they would not be able to have you know, consistent reviews of who should've won because from an outsider looking into the industry. Both of these guys are units and I think that's such like an interesting aspect of this.

01:31:26.85

Paul Garny

Are you.

01:31:38.28

christophknoll

You know the industry but also this particular competition and the bodybuilding world as a whole is that you have to work for the minute details in order to reap the gains and that's like well I'm just looking at maybe maybe you didn't get last but he's last in the list of the pictures that I'm looking at.

01:31:46.82

Paul Garny

And you said you got last.

01:31:58.10

christophknoll

Like it goes oh actually no, it does give rankings a lot of people tied for sixteenth. So yeah, but just in that in that sixteenth you know placement and and I just think it's really interesting because.

01:32:01.75

Paul Garny

Yeah I was going to say I don't think they gave like technically a last place. Yeah, he's one of them. Yeah.

01:32:17.60

christophknoll

We like for.. For example, if you look at other sports. So Let's take you know,? let's take baseball. For example, there is a clear cut difference between the top pitchers in the league compared to the shit pitchers in the league and I'm not by any means saying that this wool lead guy is. Is shit not by any means. But I'm saying that the what is considered the last place ah like positioning for this particular competition is you're you're still so diced and you're still so like such bringing such a frame in such a image that. It's just really interesting to to look at this because obviously I didn't watch his his routines I don't know what his you know crowd control is like and how he can work with the audience. But um.

01:33:05.50

Paul Garny

Given.

01:33:08.35

christophknoll

I don't know I just think that's a really interesting thing to think about and it brings back our whole conversation of the hype train that someone has because I've never heard of this dude I've heard of the top 10 like for each of those people I've never heard of this dude and I bet you that factored into this um into this whole judging.

01:33:16.30

Paul Garny

Um, evil.

01:33:27.73

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean it's a good point to make because we're we're considering like we're going to talk here. We're literally talking about the best of the best in the entire world and to step on the stage alone is an honor like that's like even just step like you're not okay, let's just take the entire like.

01:33:28.31

christophknoll

As well.

01:33:47.33

Paul Garny

Like social media gain that you get out of it just stepping on the stage when it comes to bodybuilding is just such an honor and everybody strives to just step on stage. Let alone even compete like compete for the win there' is a story rich Piana had where his friend of his. Ah, was like I think it was rich piano's he was in his forty s this friend was in the 40 s and the guy was told look you can't compete again like if you compete you're going to die like you, you've pushed your body way too far and the guy said the guy got qualified for the olympia and he had he was like I'm going to step on stage. And he stepped ons stage to the olympia to make it it an honor to step on stage and after like a week after the show he died and so for a lot of these people stepping on stage on the olympia stage in itself as the prize you know because like you can like. There's those who you know you're stuffing on stage to win and if you know you're going to step on stage to win. You're a different level of person but stepping on stage just to compete at that level just to say you're a Mr Olympia computer competitor computer competitor. Um, that's that's such an accomplishment and I can.

01:34:58.88

christophknoll

Coppa puppy people.

01:35:01.65

Paul Garny

Only ever dream of stepping on that stage one day. Ah, but if you do you're you're known as one of the best in the world even though this guy got you know one of the sixteenth places. He's still considered like even then the top 30 of the world. He steps on any other stage. He's probably going to win. You know like this is this is the reality. You know he won if you go to his Instagram that's what I was doing when I asked for his name I went to his Instagram numerous other shows he won first place and overall first place in his class. Overall the show but when he's stepping on a stage at the olympia you're competing against a different level so it's like you know you got your regional.

01:35:28.61

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

01:35:39.18

Paul Garny

Then national is the next level then pro is the next level and then from there you got like Arnold and the olympia is the next level there's like 4 levels of like quality of physique and to get to the olympia. It's just you you got to pass so many layers of competitors. And just be next. You know you got to be godly and um, you know it's it's a good thing to consider. It's like you know we're talking about earlier like on a previous episode where you know we might be comparing ourselves to people on Instagram and kind of feel like crap about our look. But we also got to consider we we're comparing ourselves to like the top point one percent of the population and that's. But we got to take into account here. We're comparing the best of the best against the best of the best and you you put them next to anybody else they're going to look way better. You know so this is just the level of athletes on this stage and that's why it's called the that's why it's known as the biggest stage in the world when it comes to bodybuilding and ah. It's unfortunate that someone like that got sixteenth and he probably wasn't hoping for that. Obviously you want to win but just be able to step on stage and say that you're a Mr. Olympia competitor is enough for a lot of people. Usually it goes like you want to compete and then from there. You know you want to be a pro one day like that's my goal right now is I want to be pro one day then from there you see how far you can take it. You want to win a pro show. That's your next goal I want to win a pro show and then when you win a pro show if you can then you're like shit. Maybe I could take this somewhere and then you went another one.

01:37:09.17

Paul Garny

And then you keep winning and then you're like shit. Let's go for the olympia and then you qualify for the olympia and you start competing in that and you try to win so like there's different degrees of goals that you have ah and it kind of starts with pro if you're serious about bodybuilding it starts with getting your pro card. Um and stepping on stage for the olympia is just such an honor. For so many people and I can only ever dream of it one day so we'll see what the future entails obviously these divisions change men's physique is one of them that's drastically changed over the years and really has only gotten big recently and even then it's still kind of controversial because men's physique. You know they're getting bigger. They're getting leaner but the problem with men's physique that a lot of us in the industry have is that a lot of the people in men's phsique unfortunately are very toxic individuals. Um, you know men's open and in classic. Obviously it's going to be drama. There's stupid drama leading up to the Olympian shit but like. The end of the day. A lot of these guys and men's open in classic and all that are really nice guys and they're really down to earth but a lot of these men's physique guys are pretty shitty human beings and I don't know why I don't know why it's like that. It's just the type of I don't it's just really unfortunate because.

01:38:17.34

christophknoll

Um.

01:38:23.14

Paul Garny

You know you talk to anybody who really competes in men's phsique and they'll they'll pretty much agree that a lot of the top athletes like um, you Brian Hendrickson for instance, ah he he has ah like a couple baby mamas and just he's he like kind of.

01:38:38.30

christophknoll

Saw that testosterone.

01:38:41.83

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean he doesn't even have close to what classic a men's open has but um, he like I think he's like kind of supported like some scamy sponsors and kind of shitty to people who want to talk to him and stuff and that's just what I've heard I've never experienced at Firsthand. So. It's just unfortunate that this is the type of vibe that men's phsique is giving off and. For a lot of the people who are involved in men's physique that could change the industry and kind of push it in different direction. They end up kind of falling off and not competing a immense's physique and moving up to classic or something like that. Ah so it's just it's just how the industry is right now with it and I think that if we get different people and better people. Men's physique I think he can. Go to a different place and be treated differently and the other problem too that I see is all these like social media guys who think they're going to win these shows like the road to pro Guy. Um and like a lot of these other guys who compete or want to compete but are big on social media. They they end up getting decimated on stage immense Physique and I think that. That also kind of taints. The the view is that like um, a lot of these a lot of people think that they can compete compete on this stage and then they get dispointed and then they have a bad like to get a bad taste in their mouth for men's physique because they get decimated and.

01:39:54.39

Paul Garny

It's kind of because it's a lot for a lot of guys. It's the kind of starting point for for bodybuilding is men's phsique because it's the smallest you can get on stage and you know you get on stage compete get the experience of it and then you just move out from there. You know men's open competitors. Compete can compete men's physique at their early stages of their bodybuilding careers. And then kind of see how if they like even stepping on stage and doing prep not to mention the posing but like doing prep really so men's physique is a starting point for a lot of these guys and they expect to like do well in men's physique because they have their says their site set on classic but it's a different look. And they get a bad taste in their mouth because men's suzika has a certain look excuse me that um is not going to reward those that look like classic so you know it's it's unfortunate that that's the way it is I think that aesthetics. Should be kind of you know, connected between men's physique and classic. You know you should be. You should both look relatively similar like the the overall aesthetic look should be kind of similar not different but men's physique is different from classic and people are like oh if I can if I'm thinking about classic I should be able to do really well of men's physique. But then you compete men's physique and you like shit I just lost because these guys are focusing on men's physique and getting that look and I wasn't so that's another thing with men's physique and the results from this year's men's physique. It just the competition on stage just really wasn't I don't know to me it really wasn't there.

01:41:27.49

Paul Garny

Um, you know top 2 even I was like I wasn't really super impressed with either 1 They look great but I wasn't the biggest fan of either of their posing. So that's um, um, top 2 was Aaron Banks and Brandon Hendrickson and

01:41:42.17

christophknoll

Aaron yeah.

01:41:45.62

Paul Garny

First callout wasn't even like really that amazing. Um, you know, looking at everybody who's competed I'm like I don't even know half these dudes and it's just I was just very disappointed with Ben's physique overall and. You know they look great. Don't get me wrong. They came in condition brend Brendan and Aaron it could have gone either way but they're posing like yeah Brandon's posing's kind of weird.

01:42:06.14

christophknoll

He did some weird poses I'm looking at these pictures and like it's It's like an arm up like side ab flex like I don't know what you're really trying to get out of this.

01:42:15.19

Paul Garny

Well, that's what that's been excuse you in general, you kind of like I can't it's hard to explain you you stand to the side and then you you put either 1 hand on your waist or and you don't put it. There at all and then you want to flex your lats out you want to make your waist look as small as possible but your shoulders as wide as possible. It. It originally ended with the idea of having the perfect beach body. That's the idea of men's phsique. That's why they pose in board or board shorts is that you're supposed to have the perfect beach body. This is like. The idea of men's physique was having the perfect body to the to humanity like you're supposed to have the most ideal looking physique for basically the average person like this is what is the pinnacle of physiques. Classic physique and men's open is the idea of like how far can we take it like classic is like how far can we take it but also look aesthetic and good. Men's physique is like how far can we take it like that's what those are for men's physique is like how good can the human body look. It's supposed to be like the ideal look.

01:43:09.90

christophknoll

Um.

01:43:15.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:43:19.10

Paul Garny

Um, so the posing is just kind of like standing there. Yeah, how many babes walk up to me at the beach. How many can I get some poon when I'm at Venice. Um.

01:43:22.60

christophknoll

Um, how many girls can I get.

01:43:30.70

christophknoll

Ah, and then and again that that loops into ah just a bunch of dudes going. You look great King and nice pump.

01:43:37.83

Paul Garny

Oh you look sick. Nice pose. Ah yeah, so the posing on the on the top 2 I'm just not the biggest fan of personally I think that brandins was kind of whack. He kind of like he's had good posing in the past It's just for some reason he kind of stated more forward on this on this stage. Aaron's was for me I can see why he won I just am not the biggest fan of how he did his posing I think that he kind of pushed out his abdominal section. A little bit not like with air like leaned more into his abdominal section a bit more than I would have. If I was him. But then again I'm also not the expert here. You know if he he has a opposing coach I'm sure so his posting coach told him to do it the way that he does it. There's a reason for that. Maybe you know some other way didn't work but I just wasn't really impressed with the top 2 and I didn't like either of their poses and. It is what it is. It's just that's what the that's the required pose is just kind of standing there and that's why men's physique also is kind of looked down upon is because the posing is fucking whack. Um I think that you can do much better with the posing. You know you don't have to have like a full routine like men's classic physique or men's open. But. I think that you could definitely do. We could definitely do a lot better in men's physique I think that it's gotten to the point now where the competitors are so big and so lean that the classic like the old school posing that started all of it just doesn't really hold true anymore. I mean if you look at like look at like 2012 men's physique competitors.

01:45:09.46

Paul Garny

It's like next it's not even close to um I'm looking it up right now. Um, men's physique 2012. It's not even close. Yeah, it's so fucking different looking back at it. This is ten years ago we're talking and they look like just dudes who just pick up weight sometimes and are just skinny. You know like it's like like maybe if you had a little more size than you have now you could have gotten pro in 2012 like but um, like four more pounds of muscle and you could have gone pro like it. It wouldn't have taken too long to get to that degree.

01:45:36.70

christophknoll

She.

01:45:45.78

Paul Garny

And the board shorts were long and baggy and it's just basically yeah, it just was literally the idea of like having the perfect beach body. It's like putting Zach Aphron on stage. That's the idea of men's physique that was the original idea of it. But now.

01:45:47.76

christophknoll

Basketball shorts.

01:46:04.00

Paul Garny

They've gotten so much bigger so much leaner. The posing is a bit more particular so it's not even close to what it used to be um so I think that the posing is just it doesn't hold true anymore like there's a comparison right here I'm looking at 2013 Olympia Men's physique winner versus 2018 Completely different look and on top of that The posing is the fucking Same. It's the same pose. Granted each person has a actual pose but like it's the same idea of the same pose. It's like it doesn't hold true anymore like imagine imagine like.

01:46:26.24

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:46:39.22

Paul Garny

And even know like imagine I can't even really I can't even compare. It's like there's really no comparison I could think of issues so outdated it. It just doesn't make any sense anymore to be using the same posing and I think that the industry is going to start transitioning hopefully for men's life for men's physique. And kind of focusing on other poses as well. I think that like a side chest rear double front double plus the current posing I think would be a good option I think like you can have what we should have is like pre-judging Comparisons. You should pose like men's physique but then like you have your own routine where you do like actual posing. And I think that should play a role in how you place but that.

01:47:23.51

christophknoll

So we're ah I mean you talked about looking ahead so we are officially one day post ah mrlymp or you know Olympia so officially one day post if you're going to use your time travel machine.

01:47:30.40

Paul Garny

Just last night. Yeah.

01:47:39.24

christophknoll

Who do you got winning next year obviously it is the way too early predictions but we do this in every sport whenever a ah, there's always I mean I bet you there's Vegas odds already for next year and you I mean you have no idea what people look like but.

01:47:45.71

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:47:53.11

Paul Garny

I'm sure.

01:47:56.63

christophknoll

But hop in your little time travel device think about the progression over the next year and start with men's open who do you think takes it next year obviously this is a super hypothetical question but think of think about.

01:48:05.87

Paul Garny

Um, my only predictions.

01:48:13.90

christophknoll

Progressions and how you'd like to see people turn out and what do you think.

01:48:17.59

Paul Garny

Um, my my predictions for next year from where okay all right? My predictions for next year I don't know where had he's going to be at I like it's possible that he could retire.

01:48:20.25

christophknoll

And I'm going to quote you on this exactly 300 sixty 4 days from now. But.

01:48:34.23

Paul Garny

You know he's been competing for a little while and he finally won he might retire on a high note who knows but let's say he doesn't retire doesn't stop or anything and we have the exact same line up pretty much like nobody retires every still competing I have the same top 3 the top 3 that I have next year though is that I have Derek in first place. And Hadi in second place with Nick in third place. That's what I have top 3 I can really only yeah I can only really like predict top 3 right now. Ah next year like I think that there are plenty of athletes that have potential for top 5 Andrew Jacked is one of them.

01:48:56.42

christophknoll

I'll go quote it quote it.

01:49:12.19

Paul Garny

I think that he has potential for top 5 he just doesn't have the ah you know he hasn't gotten there yet like he he has the physique for it. He could have the physique for it. I think that people just kind of doubt his work ethic to get to that point. Um, Hunter Lebrada has potential for top 5 so I would put him top five next year um either fourth or fifth with Nick being third I think that hunter has a good physique I just don't think that he has top 3 physique and I think it's going to take a lot I think he really needs to get his way dialed in. Ah. And his ab bellies are just kind of wonky looking. So I think that he's not going to have the best in the world so top 3 is kind of controversial for him. So I think either fourth or fifth for him. That's my prediction classic physique. Okay, this is where it's going to get much harder to say.

01:49:56.59

christophknoll

And men's classic.

01:50:04.25

christophknoll

Just just go go to top 5 nothing outside of top 5 do you think do you think bumpstead 5 beats okay

01:50:05.93

Paul Garny

Because yeah, that's what I'm trying to think right now. So I have. Probably especially with his result from honey I think that he's going to I think he's going to win next year most likely he's only just now getting started with honey and he just decimated the he decimated the competition like he didn't just like win this year like he wrecked everyone. It wasn't even close. Everyone was competing for second once once you see him on stage it was it was done. It was done for um so I think that I have him first place definitely ers if you could put on his legs more. Definitely second I think.

01:50:53.66

Paul Garny

Ramon is probably going to be third then probably brion for fourth as per usual and then fifth place I'm hoping I want terrence to place higher I think that if he can come in conditioned I put him third then Ramon then brion. I would replace Brian with Logan if I had the choice I think well okay, what I would want to see if I could so buy prediction is not what I want. My prediction is um, seabom ers Terrence Ramon brion that's my prediction.

01:51:31.99

Paul Garny

What I want is sebum then ers then Terrence then Logan then Fabian that's what I want but that's not my prediction.

01:51:47.21

christophknoll

And the most important question and also what I just sent you the wheelchair division. Ah what is your? Ah what is your top looking like look at that picture and told me that's not you saw me die on camera that's me looking at that picture. Ah.

01:51:54.51

Paul Garny

I Have no Idea. He looks so happy I I know nothing about wheelchair compete competitors. He looks great though for for a wheelchair competitor. He he looks like a bodybuilder like he looks like he'd compete in you know, classic or men's open or something he just obviously doesn't have the legs.

01:52:06.26

christophknoll

You're good I'm I'm just being a dummy. Oh absolutely.

01:52:18.99

Paul Garny

So He can't compete in that so he looked his upper body would would stand up against other competitors which is great. That's fun like it's very hard for a lot of wheelchair competitors to do that if you look a lot of like national shows like their upper body. Because of their lack of mobility. Their upper body is shaped a bit differently so to see him look like pretty much a bodybuilder waist up is pretty is pretty Astounding. Actually um.

01:52:46.10

christophknoll

Hey man I've got I've got three and a half months five years ago of wheelchair experience. So I'm ah I'm on that stage next year so ah okay

01:52:54.73

Paul Garny

We'll just we'll just say your legs don't work. We'll just pull. Ah um, what they're called the the movie with Johnny Knoxville he where he pretends to be mentally challenged to compete in the paralympics. Yeah well this we'll just do that. Yeah.

01:53:03.52

christophknoll

Yeah, someone's gonna someone's gonna take 1 look at my calves and say yep, no get get this guy off the stage.

01:53:12.31

Paul Garny

He has muscle tone in his leg so he definitely isn't paralyzed and he'd be like you'd be like to be like what do you do after this, you're like oh I got like data I mean ah I got arms tomorrow I didn't say anything my legs.

01:53:25.74

christophknoll

Um, the last thing that I really want to touch on is just the absurd size difference I was watching the um, the What's it called when they give on the medals right? at the end just the I guess yeah reward ceremony and ah you know obviously it was ramon and see I'm standing. They're waiting to see who got first and second obviously they call first place they don't say who's second place because then it's kind of antiticchlimatic but they are.

01:53:40.80

Paul Garny

Like your reward ceremony.

01:53:57.25

christophknoll

Ah, call seabom out for first and obviously that makes Ramon second and you know the couple people I forget who they are they bring over seabumps first but Brian Shaw is the one that goes over to give ramon his second place pedal and it is.

01:54:09.83

Paul Garny

I.

01:54:13.46

christophknoll

Such a funny video to watch because honestly Brian Shaw might be twice the size of Ramon let me see if I can find the video I'll send it to you but it's it is the dumbest thing I've ever seen actually just look up any. Um.

01:54:17.74

Paul Garny

Oh my guy. Yeah.

01:54:30.54

christophknoll

Any video that has the the stream of um, the men's I think speak and you just see Brian Shaw walk over there and he's huge compared to everybody on stage.

01:54:33.67

Paul Garny

Oh yeah, so. You know he I thought I'm looking at it right here. Brian gave the award to Sean Clarita in 122 did he also do classic. Okay.

01:54:51.42

christophknoll

Yeah, he gave it to ramon and and in classic I know that because I was watching it and it was just like it took me by surprise seeing the size difference. It was just like Wowy Zoey ah

01:55:03.90

Paul Garny

Yeah, these fucking massive because he's like six nine like four hundred and fifty pounds or some shit. He's just enormous dude um, obviously someone like that can never really compete in bodybuilding seriously? um.

01:55:09.89

christophknoll

It's It's just absurd.

01:55:17.85

christophknoll

Imagine his cut that it would probably be detrimental to his health to do a cut because your body is so used to carrying that weight and that size.

01:55:19.90

Paul Garny

But.

01:55:25.83

Paul Garny

Oh yeah, yeah, opi over you problem excuse me, it'd be a problem I'm just yawn there. Um, it would be a problem for him. That's a that's a big issue Eddie Hall kind of did a cut. It was weird though. He's not in it anymore. But he kind of did a cut for his boxing match with um with ah Eddie or Thor with thorbe bjornson and it was weird seeing Eddie like kind of fat but also have abs. It was like.

01:55:48.64

christophknoll

Yep.

01:55:55.89

Paul Garny

It was weird. It was like you carved abs out of fat. It was like what the hell am I looking at because he was still built like a box. Yeah he I mean they all have to have like essentially enormous abs because of all the weight they're carrying around so it didn't It wouldn't really take much fat to like because like I've never met a strongman competitor but I bet you money if you like.

01:55:58.39

christophknoll

While his habits have always been there.

01:56:14.43

Paul Garny

Poke their belly I bet you as hard as a fucking rock. Even though there's a lot of fat um to carry all the weight that they carry around for strength. Um, but like he like leaned out a lot of his fat and had abs and was like what the hell am I looking at because like he's no, he's lean nowhere else but his abs It was so weird like it looked fake.

01:56:14.80

christophknoll

Oh God yeah.

01:56:33.75

Paul Garny

But it wasn't so that was really weird to see in strongman commititors are just never next level for for size I mean Eddie Hall is even on the smaller side as far as height goes because he's like 6 3 or 6 four and that's on the smaller side and he's like 3 hree fifty to £400 I think something like that and you know he. Is not typically the size that you'd see in strong man and he' still competing. He would have killed himself if he kept going any longer than.

01:56:59.33

christophknoll

Yeah, well I think it's all a ah, really interesting thing to think about and look at just seeing the comparison between you know, obviously Brian Shaw walking over to these guys. But.

01:57:09.57

Paul Garny

Yeah, good.

01:57:13.35

christophknoll

Overall this olympia I didn't watch the livestream I know we were just following the updates but it was quite an interesting time and if you take 1 thing out of this video go watch um hadi's post interview and obviously it's translated over but just see watch the emotion on that dude's face and.

01:57:16.33

Paul Garny

The.

01:57:29.68

Paul Garny

I gotta watch it.

01:57:32.51

christophknoll

After watching that that's that'll give you. The only reason why you should you know, follow this sport because it's absurd the amount of like emotion he puts into that interview. So if you take 1 thing out of this even if you don't want to follow the sport. Go watch that interview.

01:57:47.89

Paul Garny

Yeah, and that that translates to anything you know watching anybody is so passionate about something it it translates everybody can be relate can relate to that and bodybuilding is just 1 example of an extremely extremely difficult sport. Ah you know. I would argue. It's one of the hardest sports in the world to really truly compete in you have to put your body through such intense physical pain and ah, you know, really put it through the ringer in order to get to the point that you're stage ready. It is not. Being that lean and that big is not natural at all and you're putting your body through something that is not supposed to happen even classic physique like you're we're not supposed to be that big and let alone that lean but that big even so you're putting yourself through so much to compete on this stage. Sort of finally win it and bring back that honor to your family and to your culture and your society back in the Middle East where it's required to bring that honor back I can only imagine how important that is to him so I'm definitely going to watch that and. I'll probably get a little emotional over it because we've all been rooting for him for a while and he just keeps getting robbed of it. So definitely well deserved and I'm really happy with the men's open results I think all of it. All of it made sense. Um, and hani really really deserved it and I was written from him for the beginning.

01:59:07.57

Paul Garny

As far as like when the show started I wanted Derek to win. But I think honey deserved it so good to see it.

01:59:12.50

christophknoll

Hell yeah, and with that guys we'll be catching y'all next week. So without further Ado have a good one Everybody bye.

01:59:20.30

Paul Garny

Um, take a ease guess.


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