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HGH #15 - "Fad" Diets

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christophknoll

Welcome back everybody we got a brand new episode today for you guys.

00:04.20

Paul Garny

Hall of ge and hyper pertrophy podcast as per usual with Paul and Christoph we got a good topic today I didn't want to do anything super complex because of the holiday weekend and we do apologize for the podcast being a day late for that reason you know, just.

00:20.40

christophknoll

Merry christmas.

00:23.86

Paul Garny

Yeah mary at this point belated Christmas um, but we were just we were just really busy yesterday with our families and Christmas and all that. So I just didn't really have the time. But today we have much more time and are able to record this session and get it posted today as well. So I apologize for the day late. But. Today we're going to be talking about in quotations like fad diets. Some of them are kind of more fad dietty some of them ah have a lot more science backing them. This is like keto paleo.

01:02.24

Paul Garny

Vegan vegetarian pescatarian stuff like that. Um, you know there's all these different kinds of diets out there that people say oh this is amazing. This is this is what really helped me lose my weight blah blah blah and. Really no reason why they lost that weight. They just followed the fad diet and said that it worked and a lot of these diets. There's pros and cons to them and stuff you need to look out for and need to understand before going into them so that's kind of something that we're going to be talking about today. And hopefully it's going to be pretty enjoyable including the type of people that are involved in these different diets. You know there's different characters that we see on a general basis with these diets so that'll be also kind of funny to talk about too.

01:46.38

christophknoll

I Think a good place to start though before we actually get into the diets is just kind of do a quick refresher because we've talked about Macros and Micros before but I think just before we get into the different kinds of diets.

01:55.45

Paul Garny

Um, earth.

02:03.27

christophknoll

Kind of explaining one more time. Why? Well essentially we're going to give the backing as to why these diets are no good because of missing macros and your micros that you don't obtain from these diets. So um. Obviously for your macros. You've got your proteins carbs and fats. Um, and we've talked about the the forty thirty thirty um which is that split. No, it's not forty thirty thirty yeah it is I got it right? Um, yeah.

02:35.67

Paul Garny

Move Yeah percentages.

02:42.18

christophknoll

But ah in terms of ah the Macros That's what you kind of want to be hitting and then your micros are your you know, minerals and vitamins that you can supplement but you also could get a lot of those naturally like go outside in the sun.

02:58.50

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

02:58.98

christophknoll

That that go go ah live your ancestral tenants it go sun your balls for a little bit. Ah um, but that's just kind of a baseline for where we're going to be coming from when we talk about these diets because ah.

03:03.52

Paul Garny

Yeah, get some vitamin D on your balls.

03:18.20

christophknoll

A lot of them. Don't hit like. For example, when we get there Vegans vegetarians enjoy your protein list fucking tie it. But again we'll get there when we get there but that's that's just kind of a quick little spinoff to give some backing. Um.

03:28.40

Paul Garny

Student.

03:35.40

christophknoll

Before we get into the actual dieting.

03:35.95

Paul Garny

Yeah, and 1 1 thing to preface to is that each of these diets in a sense have their own uses. There are proper ways of going about these diets and there are uses behind them when they were first created for instance keto which probably gonna be the first one. We'll talk about today. There. The. Creation of it was is completely different than the way people handle it today. Ah and I think that it's going to be 1 of those things that you know if you talk to the person who created it. They're going to be like yeah I've been trying to fight the current you know world behind it. Ever since I created it and you know that that goes for a lot of things in life. Um, you know there's a lot of scientists like ah there there's this I recently learned there's the scientist who found that. Um there were alpha males within wolf packs. He found that. Ah, the only reason there was ever an alpha male and a wolf pack was because they were in a contained area like a zoo and that's when they created it and they weren't of the same bloodline but when they're out in the wild and a lot of the wolves are of the same bloodline. There is really no alpha so he's been fighting that ever since he came out with that study. So I think it's kind of along those lines where it's like they found this evidence to create this diet in the first place but then it kind of got out of hand and was treated in a different way than it was meant to ah so I think that that's kind of the route that a lot of these diets ended up taking.

05:08.66

Paul Garny

Is you know they people say oh I lost all this weight and made all this progress from it but ah it wasn't intended to become something that you're supposed to live off of for an extended period of time or something like that. Um Keto is 1 example of that keto for those that don't know. Is when your body goes into what's called ketosis ah, your body uses ah instead of using carbs for energy. It uses what's called ketones which basically are within your fat cells so it allows your body to start using your fat cells as energy rather than your carbs and. Um, keto is a diet that does work. It has been proven to work. But the problem with keto that a lot of people go into it. Not realizing is that it's not something you can maintain keto is not something you're supposed to be running 24 7 3 65 it's something that's supposed to you're supposed to run for now you know start it run it for a couple months and then get off it. You know after you've lost some weight and get back on a little bit of more carbs and continue with your exercising and general. Well-being diet. Ah so you know as an example, right now I'm in keto. And I've been in keto for a few weeks now since the beginning of December and for me, it's being used to trim down fat a bit before I get into a growth phase bulk hopefully starting next month so that's what this diet is doing for me. But.

06:41.76

Paul Garny

I Every time somebody asked me about it which actually happened a lot over this weekend is I always prefaced when I talked about it by saying this is not something that you're supposed to be doing like you're really not supposed to be extremely low Carb. You're supposed to have a healthy amount of carbs carbs are good for you. We're not supposed to be in what's called Ketosis. That's why carbs? That's why we can digest carbs properly and we digest carbs really well is because we're supposed to use them for Energy. So This is only something that's you know, only a short term. As far as you know an actual diet typically goes so I always preface by saying that This is only short term I'm willing to doing this for a little while and then you know once we get to where we want to go with it which we're getting there. We're pretty close to it. Um I'm going to get off and get back Onto. You know little bit more carbs and still be healthy carbs. But yeah, it's just an example of you know the route that I think people took that the intended creation of the diet was not meant to take so something that you know at least some food for thought when you look at these different diets. You know.

07:51.70

christophknoll

But ah, not food for thought of the if the food for thought is carbs but Dumbs There's my dad joke. Um, and also with the Keto diet. It's um, it you should only really.

07:53.14

Paul Garny

Yeah, is yeah only fat for thought I guess yeah fat Yeah healthy fats for thought.

08:08.77

christophknoll

Like obviously do you hear you heard Paul talk about why he's on it and he's got a particular goal in mind and his coaching him are working towards it but you should only really be hopping on a keto diet is if you're looking for weight loss like or more specifically fat loss is is where you want to be so for example, ah.

08:21.97

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

08:28.70

christophknoll

This is a very popular choice for people who are trying to go from like the morbidly obese side or even just obese into another weight class because fat is what makes up a lot of people's size and the Keto Diet does do a fairly decent job of cutting fat because.

08:39.28

Paul Garny

The you know.

08:47.23

christophknoll

Ah, like Paul was saying earlier if you cut out the carbs carbs are what your body stores its energy in and also takes the energy out of so if you take if you deplete yourself of carbs and still put yourself through strenuous exercise your body naturally is going to be looking for other sources of energy.

09:04.96

Paul Garny

And.

09:06.79

christophknoll

And it just so happens that fat is the next one in line. Um, which is also why the Keto diet is higher on fat as well because it makes sure that it it almost if you if you said that I'm thinking that if you said that to someone who didn't know what the diet was yeah the Keto Diet burns a ton of fat. But it's also really high in fat I feel like there would be like well that's dumb. But that ah.

09:25.62

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, most people don't know the macro of fat though they think that macro fat equals body fat. Yeah.

09:35.93

christophknoll

That is true that is true. Um, so yeah, when when you think about keto it is really good when it comes to fat loss but ah Keto is also one of those diets that ah the people that I've met. That do keto not that much and obviously you're an outlier as well because you're in your very particular goal and everything but the people that I've met through keto are live and die keto people and.

10:00.30

Paul Garny

With a.

10:05.91

Paul Garny

Who.

10:09.61

christophknoll

I I understand it. So at first I like I can understand living and dying by if you've seen direct results. So let's say you went from like two fifty to one eighty and you shaved off £70 like you but you did a big jump. Um. And you're lean and you're and you're toned in everything now I can understand living but like or having the mindset of thinking this is the diet that's going to work for me forever because of the gains and results I've already achieved but you must feel like those people must feel like shit because you just it like. Like you said it's it's not a long term thing and I saw how miserable you were when you were doubty here like you you if you don't have carbs in your system. You just feel off too like it just doesn't feel right? Um, so I I think that's 1 thing to that.

10:55.49

Paul Garny

B.

11:04.83

christophknoll

Kind of pushed me off from keto not that I think I'll ever have to do some any form of Keto diet because I've I've been coming from the smaller side trying to bulk up. Um, so I doubt I'll ever have to do some kind of keto diet. But.

11:22.16

christophknoll

If I did have to I'm kind of pushed off on this one just because of the interactions I've had and how I've seen people react to it because you just don't feel good. It's not so much Even how the people are talking about it or just being snobbish about it. It's how they feel and how they look like you you coming down was the big one for me.

11:40.25

Paul Garny

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11:41.77

christophknoll

And you were like yeah I'm allowed to have my 3 rice cakes today and I was like son of a pitch I could not ah.

11:45.94

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, that's that's just how it is and the the thing with keto is that when you start burning your fat instead for energy is that your explosive energy in the gym obviously goes away because that's all carbohydrates I mean. You know the best workouts I've ever ah had was also having was during having a ah intro workout which is just Dextros essentially extremely fast digesting carbs. Ah, and you just have tons of energy and you know there's intros that have like. Himalayan salt to promote a pump and stuff like that. So those are the best workouts I have so being on keto your workouts kind of suffer from that you don't have as much energy. Granted I have 2 rice cakes before I work out like today back day I have two workout I have two rice cages probably. Give or take an hour before I actually get to the gym. Um, and you definitely feel the energy difference but the other the one plus side to keto is that well there's there's a few There's a free. There's plenty of pros to keto. Let me just say that there's plenty of pros but there's also plenty of cons. And 1 of the pros is that when you're burning your fat fredigy. You have way more consistent energy. So during the day I feel fine. My energy is pretty decent. There's nothing. That's really lacking in energy during the actual day and I just keep going and there's not really any particular point where I crash or feel.

13:18.00

Paul Garny

Bloated or anything like that as far as my physical standing. But when I'm in the gym. That's when I really suffer and I feel weaker I can't get through my workouts as much I'm not as motivated to lift. So the gym itself is the really big part that's suffering or the rest of it I'm pretty much fine. And part of keto is that it also keeps you really strict because you can't you can't stray a little bit. You know you can't if you go above your what's called net grams of carbs then your body gets out of ketosis and you have to go all the way back through what's called KetoFlu so it's it's definitely very motivating to stay within keto for that reason and because of that you start becoming like a machine and there's there's times where ah you know if you're a bodybuilder who's prepped or something like that. You know what? I'm talking about where you stop looking at food like. Food and you look at it as energy and it you become. Ah you truly become like a machine during the day and it's the weirdest feeling because like you can't you don't look at life in the same way. Honestly, it's weird. It's like if you've ever had if you ever had covid and you lost your taste. That's exactly what it's like to get into like what I call machine mode when it comes to food you just you don't enjoy food anymore. So everything else becomes completely different. You have a different look on life and it truly does change the way you look at everything ah so being on keto is kind of like that you you learn to enjoy different things.

14:48.17

Paul Garny

So for me, it's like I had I I buy soda based off of the sales of the store and there was a doctor pepper zero sugar sale. So I got some Dr Pepper and holy shit my first can and Dr Pepper I haven't had it forever first can I could have cried like it was so good. And like that's the thing that people don't talk about is like it's a little things like cbum came out with a video during his prep for Olympia. He said you got I forget the first thing was then he's like you got mustard you put mustard on your food. Ah gourmet. He's like you have some black coffee with it. Are you kidding me 5 star meal right here and it's true. It's really true like when you're when you're at the point where food doesn't matter taste doesn't matter when you do add that flavor to your food. it's amazing and like even like for me it's I'm not that big of a fan of hot sauces. But when I got into like about a week ago I got into hot sauces on my chicken and just because I can't stand chicken anymore I fucking hate it I hate chicken now. Ah and I put hot sauce on my chicken just so that I like can feel. This is stupid. But so I could feel the pain rather than think about the taste of the chicken I just try to get through my food rather than tasting the chicken and just trying to eat it so something like that also changes everything too like I got this like garlic something from Target and it was good and gather brand hot sauce and I was in freaking heaven. The first time I had it. Ah.

16:18.59

Paul Garny

And I drink half a gallon because I was dying from the heat. But I oh this is so good. That's 1 thing that keto will do to you is that it it makes you appreciate different things when it comes to food but also allows you to become a machine and really not look at food the same way as you used to and that could go for really any diet you know, even if you're just cutting in general. If. You just stop using sauces and seasonings and eating food. That's youre tasty. You know you stop having reffes and cheat meals. You'll get into that machine mode. Even though you're having plenty of carbs. You know there's times where I bet on bulks and but in like machine mode just because I just I just eat it and just get the food down especially when you're having tons of rice and. You know you're just shoveling it down and you stop looking at food as energy you start having to time it to make sure that you have the energy that you need going into the next meal. Ah you know, timing your food properly so that you're going into your workout with the right amount of energy. It's it's a very interesting world to live in and only a few of us will truly understand what that feels like. And Keto is one of those things that gets us there and that's definitely a big pro for it for me is that it keeps me on on my you know a game and keeps me strict. You know any other time that you're having carbs some people kind of stray from what's called grazing. Where you go and try bites here and there stuff try try buy chips you know, bite of chips. You know I have like an eminem or something like that or like ah like a bite ice cream. You know quarter slice of cheese some shit like that and by the end of the day you end up having.

17:47.44

Paul Garny

Like a full serving of each of those things without even realizing it because you're grazing throughout the whole day so you never really feel like you're sitting down and eating those things so keto is 1 thing that helps me to avoid any sort of bite here bite there which is great I love that because there's nothing worse than being off. When you have a coach. There's nothing worse than being off your moot meal plan even the slightest bit even when it comes to like water intake and feeling guilty about it like because I'm not just representing myself when it comes to you know my training and my meals I'm also representing him because he's the one guy I mean and you know when I go to stuff on stage. It's going to be It's going to be known essentially that he's my coach you know and that goes for bodybuilder every soon like everybody knew that c bum stepping on stage. It's his look is because of Han Rambo the reason he looked that way is because of honey. So he's not just representing himself and his family and all that he's also representing his coach. So that guilt of not hitting your meal plan on point when that's the minimum that your coach kind of expects of you. Ah, it sucks. The guilt is not fun. So keto is definitely the route that allows me to really hone in on that machine mindset and get back to the roots of why I love this sport. And why I want to keep competing in it. But there's plenty of cons like I said there's plenty of cons and one of the biggest cons that I see for the general person is that you know like you said Christoph, there's a lot of fat and because of that people start really eating a shit ton of fat thinking that there's no.

19:19.87

Paul Garny

Real repercussions and that's not the reality you're still taking in Calories. You're still going to be fighting your body from losing that weight you know, just because you're on Keto doesn't mean you go and buy all these keto snacks from G and C for four dollars or pop and just shovel them down your face. You know there's there's you should not be doing that. Just because you're on Keto doesn't mean that throughout the entire day every day you just shovel your face with cheese and put melted cheese on everything just because it's fat and not carbs. Um, so that's one of the cons to it is that you're supposed to have higher fat intake but not.

19:56.60

Paul Garny

People think that you don't have any repercussions for it and it's just not the reality. So. There's pros and cons and everybody's experienced a little bit different and I agree with you. There's that whole like individual person behind it. That's like oh Keto's amazing you should always be on and it's this amazing thing and um, you know it's It's going to cure this world and everybody should be on keto its the perfect diet. But god I can't stand that that goes for any diet. Anybody who's diehar diet about something that's just stupid in my opinion. But that's just me.

20:26.67

christophknoll

And with the because you're currently in a ah form of of Keto and so you mentioned and I mean I saw it too when you were down here working out and how your energy levels can be difficult to maintain while you're working out. Um.

20:40.85

Paul Garny

A.

20:44.40

christophknoll

You know the super stereotypical and cliche way when someone says I want to lose weight they go to the treadmills and they do cardio. Um, so take the weightlifting aspect out of it with a Keto diet.. How do you think that affects a person. Um. When they're focusing primarily on cardio because you know how you feel when you're in your weightlifting regime and obviously you do do your own cardio but it's not like to the extent of weight loss type part cardio where people will go um and try and do it for.

21:08.68

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

21:21.29

christophknoll

You know an hour an hour and a hal hour an hour and a hal hour like they go to town on on treadmills or elliptical stairmaster stuff like that. So me personally I if I go hard like balls to the wall in cardio I lose overall more energy because it becomes a full body thing.

21:26.40

Paul Garny

You.

21:39.70

christophknoll

So how do you think the Keto diet like works in Junction with the heavy cardio aspect of weight loss.

21:50.10

Paul Garny

Ah, so there's this whole especially in the body mother the world. There's this whole saying where you shouldn't be using cardio to lose weight and there's some truth behind that cardio should be used as just overall general. Well-being most of the time. The only times you really ever see anybody trying to use cardio as a weight loss addition is pupil prep at first show and they're doing like an hour faster than an hour post workout and at that point you're really depleting yourself. Ah. And it could be It could be negative but the way that keto kind of affects. It is at least for me. Ah, when I started keto I noticed that I really just can't do facet cardio. It's just I have zero energy. When it comes to facet cardio and I just step on the treadmill and just dread the entire thing. Um, so that's my thing with with cardio in general especially on keto it's just that I'm not the biggest fan of fasted but when it comes to post workout right now. Cardio is really not that big of a deal to me. Um, it's more for me, it's more just that it's because I have to come home eat and then go do cardio which I go to my like apartment gym and just go walk on the treadmill on an incline and for me, it's more just taking away from my evening than anything that's more what I'm upset about than actually having to do it.

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christophknoll

First.

23:17.60

Paul Garny

I'm like man I like I come home from like a back day like today I'm going to come home from back day and eat and just not want to do anything so then to have to go do cardio for a half hour it just kind of sucks. But you got to do what you got to do and it's it's good for you and you know there could be you know who knows that could be a you know contributed. Excuse me kind of really um, little yawn right? there. Ah you could be. It could be kind of contributing to a little bit of weight loss but you shouldn't be doing it for the weight loss and I mean in general I think that if you're like really into cardio especially running I think keto can potentially. Just about maintain it what you're what you've been experiencing when it comes to energy because you're using fat. It's more consistent energy. So your endurance should be pretty fine. It shouldn't really be affected too much. It's more the explosive energy from lifting where you need that car those carbs to really fuel that. Ah, rather than your fat. That's really where you get you know affected when it comes to endurance and long distance like long extended energy bouts that's when you're going to be pretty much fine with keto you know that's why like during my work days or just during the general day I'm fine but the gym is when I'm like. Really depleted. So that's at least from my experience I mean everybody's a little different. You know, somebody might say oh cardio sucks. But I'm pretty much fine going into the workout but it's just the way I experience it is. It's quite the opposite of that cardio is pretty much fine weightlifting I'm I'm kind of depleted.

24:49.97

christophknoll

Yeah, and I asked them more from like the average Joe like because you think when someone 9 times out of 10 when they hop on a keto diet. It's ah and this is to be blunt because we're blot on here some fat motherfucker who is looking at themselves like I got to get out of this and so um.

25:06.80

Paul Garny

Um, right.

25:07.43

christophknoll

You know the exact type I can picture them in the gym pf used to have you know 75% of the people that went to pf for these people. Um, so I'm more so mean from that side of things. Um, but ah I ah me personally I'm not on a keto diet. But um. When I do my workout I mean I'm in there a long time I know you don't like this but I'm in the gym for several hours at a time and um I don't get hungry when I'm doing weightlifting but them as soon as I hit like the 1 or 2 minute Mark of just.

25:31.52

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, yeah.

25:44.44

christophknoll

You know I do speedwalking incline like after each of my workouts to you know, hit my cardio I do about like 20 minutes or so um, the second or now the the minute or two that I start doing that I just get so hungry and so the reason why I was posing this question is because.

25:45.39

Paul Garny

The.

26:04.18

christophknoll

I'm wondering for my own personal stuff have I ever had to do this how hungry I would get ah helping on like the the treadmill to do cardio when I'm already getting this hungry like I get to the point where I almost want to be like eating in the last like five minutes of my cardio.

26:13.18

Paul Garny

Britain.

26:22.39

christophknoll

Because I'm just I just get that overwhelmed by the hunger. Um, so that's more so where that question came from but also because coming from a pf I saw probably hundreds of people who lived and died by Keto and and treadmill. Ah, key keto cardio casey.

26:42.47

Paul Garny

Yeah to to answer your question now. Um the thing with your situation is that because you're so used to such a heavy amount of food. Your metabolism is extremely Fast. So That's why you're hungry really quickly after your workout is because your body. Ready to eat again because your metabolism is already digested everything and believe it or not a lot of people won't believe me on this but it's the truth you can manipulate your metabolism just by your overall food intake Your caloric intake is directly going to affect your metabolism and ah when you have more food your metabolism is going to speed up. When you have less food your metabolism is going to speed good slow down and you know people say I know you've said it before your metabol is very fast. Naturally, if you have yeah if you have less food your metabolism is going to slow down. That's just a reality of humanity.

27:25.84

christophknoll

Eat more.

27:35.39

Paul Garny

You're not going to have extremely fast metabolism when you're eating only two thousand calories it's not going to happen. You're just you're going to be digesting nothing. You know it's just that's just your body's going to slow it down so that you're actually digesting food consistently so that's that's your first problem right? off the bat is that you're going to feel extremely hungry because your metabolism is so high. So I mean even in your situation I would't even like say to get on keto right? off the bat. You'd have to deplete yourself down to keto you'd slowly work your way down. You know every week taking out fifty grams of carbs or something like that like slowly taking out carbs. Um, and then getting yourself down to keto and that's even if you need to get to keto. Ah, keto should only be utilized when you actually needed it like Keto was our last resort like I was making almost no progress being low carbon in general. So my coach is like I hate to do this but we got to go keto so we went to keto and I took a couple weeks but then I started making progress. Last week I really made some progress dropped a few pounds and you know starting to look more lean and I can see in the mirror I could see to myself. But for you I don't really think Keto's ever going to be needed. But if let's say you're on Keto um, the first 4 or five days is keto flu. You're going to feel like absolute garbage. A lot of people have different symptoms when it comes to keto flu. Some people are puking. Some people get diarrhea so people get basically zero energy it all just depends on the person I think my energy was just kind of garbage I think that's what it was for me. The first time I ever did keto many years ago. Um.

29:09.63

Paul Garny

I felt like crap I just my body just felt terrible I just like it was like almost like having like extremely bad Mcdonald's like stale gross Mcdonald's and then just swinging it down with like an enormous amount of coke like Coca-cola like that's. What I felt like constantly I just felt like crap and on top of that I had no energy and it was just not fun. So this time around because I've been eating so way more clean in general. It wasn't too bad. Just you know, low energy. But so for you your keto flu would suck if you went cold turkey on carbs and started doing keto flu. You'd feel like absolute crap just because you're so used to such high carbs and then just swap your body so abruptly and then on top of that your energy be out the damn window. You'd you'd have trouble. Like there's times where I've been so depleted. Not recently, but in the past I've been so depleted I'd be fall asleep getting on the treadmill or stairmaster just walking up to it I'm starting to my head start to Nod and I think that you'd kind of be in that same situation. That's my that's from my experience. You know it could be completely different. You know everybody's different but you definitely would not enjoy it. Especially if you went you know cold turkey.

30:26.32

christophknoll

Was a man I've been through 3 different types of withdrawals and I don't listen to head or I don't have use headphones at the gym. So I'm that psycho I can I I'd survive.

30:34.92

Paul Garny

Your raw raw shit you got that raw energy. You don't even need pre-workout. Really you just pure inner inner energy.

30:48.41

christophknoll

The doc came back with the tests and turns out I have that dog in me I am him. Ah.

30:50.34

Paul Garny

You are that guy. Yeah I'm I don't identify as I only identify as he because I can't be him.

30:58.70

christophknoll

Ah, a few feet.

31:04.39

christophknoll

Ah God I Hate those I hate that the fact that those are memes. Ah.

31:07.12

Paul Garny

I love it I think it's so funny. The first time I saw that is about c bum is like identify as he because I could never be him and it just shows c bum due to front double I think it's gray I think it's beautiful. Such a good meme. But yeah, that's that's where I think he'd be in keto.

31:13.25

christophknoll

How you never be him.

31:23.20

christophknoll

Well well fingers cross I never have to touch down on the on the airstrip that is keto. Um, so moving Beyond Keto Ah we have a couple other ones that we can talk about I'll let.

31:40.45

christophknoll

Dealer's choice for on your end to decide where we take this next convo.

31:42.73

Paul Garny

Yeah, So this is what I'm excited about a good transition from Keto would be would be paleo. So Paleo Diet I think is like I think that if you're not really in the gym or you know, kind of do basic exercise and just kind of living your daily life. I Think Paleo is like what everybody should be on I think everybody in my opinion if your body can handle paleo which it should be able to everybody should be on Paleo. That's my opinion. Paleo is just a super super great way of just living a healthy overall life and. Basically the idea the original idea of paleo is eating like ah essentially like neanderthals did um so you know we really need to cut out a lot of stuff like processed foods complex grains and carbs. Um, cutting out anything. That's super heavy in you know, really any dairy. You don't want to have any like you know, added salt or anything like that no starch because Starch wasn't really a thing back then taking out like added sugars or like refined sugars. You know, just don't have really sugar in General. So like a good list to keep in mind would be like no grains. Um and I never pronounced this right? No legumes lit legumes I can never pronounce that right? Yeah legumes.

33:07.40

christophknoll

Ah I mean I'm going to go with legumes because late legumes is is French So legumes you. Ah.

33:14.98

Paul Garny

Yeah, oh um, so no legumes Dairy products completely take take out dairy because neanderthals didn't milk cows so take out Dairy entirely take out sugar pretty much entirely besides naturally occurring Sugars. You don't want to add salt to anything no starchy vegetables like ah. Corn or peas or you know white potatoes and then taking out a any any processed foods. Really I think that's like the ultimate diet right? there So you're gonna be heav in fruits Vegetables. You're gonna have basic nuts and seeds. Um, you know a lot of eggs. A lot of lean meat and wild game as Well. So you're going to you need to focus on like grass-fed beef and like natural venison and bison and stuff like that and then also a lot of fish especially with like more omega, 3 fatty acids. So You got like your salmon your tuna even dabbling in like a little bit of mackerel if you can find a good source for that and then ah your oils that you'll be getting will just be from your fruits and nuts and then same with like your your sugars and carbs would be kind of coming from your fruits So that's. Something that I think is like the ultimate diet because you're just you're cutting out all the junk is really what you're doing at the end of the day because neanderthals and our you know early humans Homo Sapiens early homeless apiens really like um because there was no real farming back then so they just kind of.

34:34.59

christophknoll

What you feel from.

34:51.13

Paul Garny

Took whatever they could and just ate it. You know berries off the ground you know, naturally occurring nuts and fruits that they could take from trees and hunting naturally raised animals because there was no farming animals back in the day there was just they just were roaming freely so they would hunt. You know, just like we hunt deer right now. They just naturally roam freely. So um, ah I think it's the ultimate diet in my opinion I think it's the ultimate way to live. Ah you know? Obviously if you're on a paleo diet. You're going to be naturally low carb. Ah, you're not going to be super high carb because you're not having like grains or any complex carbs or anything like that. So a lot of your carbs could be coming from fruits on you know, naturally occurring sugar stuff like that. Ah so you're going to lose weight from it. But you'll get to the point where your body's at it's like perfect maintenance point. And you can kind of maintain whatever that body standard is for your body and you'll never really look any different from that point on and I think that paleo is also one that like you can also kind of cheat on a little bit and it's not the end of the world like Keto if you have carbs you know you have to kind of start over. Ah, some of the vegetarianism veganism pescatarian we'll get into them all that but ah paleo is one that I think that if you had like a cheat meal or like ah like ah you went on vacation or something you can like enjoy the food you're eating and it's not going to be super detrimental to your body. You're going to feel like crap because you're not used to the processed foods.

36:23.13

Paul Garny

But you're not going to like come back and be all of a sudden £30 heavier and back where you were or have to restart something. You know you just go back to the way you were when you come back from whatever cheat meal you're having or refeed or something like that. So I think that paleo is the ultimate. Ah, just way of living in my opinion and I think that if i. when I when I stop bodybuilding or retire from bodybuilding I think that's going to be the life that I live. It's just a healthy overall no processed foods just good eating and like a happy healthy lifestyle I think and just you know being. Yeah I think I'll be very healthy hormonally and very healthy. Ah chemically you know, mentally physically and all that when I'm just not eating any of that crap because even even with a bodybuilding diet like it's so unnatural to eat almost like a po I mean like a pound a half a chicken a day like that's not so something that you can maintain you know. That's not something that neanderthals had it was it was a blessing if you got to have meat. That's really how it was because you can only eat what you hunted so it was blessing to have me chicken really wasn't really around so you got to have a lot more red meat on paleo maybe chicken once or twice a week if that. But. Is a lot of red meat. A lot of fish because fishing was very easy. So I think it's a really great way of sticking to a good diet that's healthy for us and even if there's that bullshit backing of like oh it's about neanderthals but like that's the idea of it originally. But at the end of the day we're just cutting out all the bad shit. You know.

37:55.66

Paul Garny

So I think that's my opinion of paleo.

37:56.23

christophknoll

And using your description I think the 1 thing that can really sum up paleo really well is how versatile it is because you described how like on keto you if you break you have to restart and.

38:09.35

Paul Garny

Yeah.

38:12.47

christophknoll

If you're on but on pale you have ah you have way more versatility because you're able to go from ah your suit. Let's say you have a super strict you count everything on your paleo and then you go out to dinner with your friends like after work or something and you have I don't know burger fries and stuff. It is not that hard to come back. From and I mean even Berger and fries is still pretty close to the paleo diet in itself. But it's a lot easier to recover from. So I think that adds a lot more versatility to it. Um, but I think I don't strictly follow a paleo diet but I think that.

38:41.11

Paul Garny

M.

38:50.12

christophknoll

Ah, from my own personal experience I tap into it every single time like the paleo diet I use it every single time someone asks me about dieting because the. A lot of my friends have come up to me and they say like hey what does your diet look like I know you eat a crazy amount of food but like what what specifically are you doing like what do your macros look like what's your percentages look like what is all that look like and the very first thing I'll ask them is what is your? What is your added sugar intake. Like for them personally because that's the very first thing that I start with because if you have super high added sugars like let's say you just can't kick the reesys puffs and you have very high added sugar. You just are going to not be able to see the same amount of gain. So every single time someone asks me about dieting I lead with.

39:41.70

Paul Garny

Literally.

39:43.30

christophknoll

What's your added sugar intake and that basic I mean more or less comes from a paleo diet because you take all that processing out and all those added sugars out 1 They didn't have it but 2 It's just unhealthy to be consuming those types of things.

39:52.47

Paul Garny

Where.

40:00.68

christophknoll

Um, so I think that without even realizing it I tap into that mindset every single time I'm asked about dieting um, which is you know also the beauty of why I love this podcast because while Paul or I talk I can I can think and I start to realize things that. I hadn't realized about myself or about other people. Um, but certainly taking out. Ah all of those processed foods and that can be tough that is the hardest thing for the average american person to do and I don't know I'm okay, that's a lie I do know why it's hard to to kick.

40:30.48

Paul Garny

Here here.

40:39.24

christophknoll

Ah, process food but this is where my philosophy of ambition and self-drive come in because I personal belief if you are truly motivated. You're able to shift your mindset on anything. So. I just think there's a lot of I'm not going to say weak minded. But I'm going to say less invigorated people when it comes to making a change about something and I've seen people put in hours upon hours weeks months of gym work but they haven't been able to cut out their process food even on like for me even on my cheat days I don't touch most most of that stuff because you know my cheat days still have a goal in mind and I'm not touching super processed food in general. Um. But it's it's just it it breaks my heart to see the amount of people who can't kick it because yeah, it sucks it absolutely sucks to walk past the oreo aisle for me that was one I go to so I would pound a whole you know box bag. Whatever they're called. Of oreos and a single setting and that was my go to but I have that mindset of not wanting to consume it because I know my goal and my personal ambition is far greater far outweighs the.

42:04.65

christophknoll

Negatives of what I know will happen if I eat those things. So I think that's where paleo helps too. Paleo can help strengthen your mindset which is another you know pro for why you should be hopping on it. Um I don't know if you.

42:14.99

Paul Garny

And.

42:19.13

christophknoll

Think of it the same way. But I think of it as like a 2 wo-toned beast where you have you're handling your diet but the diet also influences your mentality.

42:26.21

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean your your food directly affects your chemical balance within your brain I mean that's that's where you get all of your chemicals is your food obviously going to have you know body your body's going to naturally create those chemicals but your food's going to directly affect it. Ah, so having a paleo diet you're going to just overall feel better in general. So I think that it's it's a really good way of just kind of getting to the point where you're going to maintain a healthier lifestyle. And it's not you don't have to stick to it to a tea like if you wanted to introduce like some basic wheats or you know some basic bread like Ezekiel bread or something like that or like um you know, organic rice or something I think that's that's not the end of the world. Um, the paleo diet. You know. It's a good foundation is what I should say for it. It's a good foundation and it's not going to work for everybody. But I think that the idea behind it is really what I promote when it comes to what's a healthy way of living. It's just at the end of day really cutting out processed foods ah cutting out the added sugars. Don't add too much salts to your foods and really cutting out all the bad shit and at the same time like really cutting out dairy because dairy is such a big killer for a lot of people especially cheese I am one of those people who absolutely fucking loves cheese.

43:55.49

christophknoll

Sir.

43:57.50

Paul Garny

I could I could eat chills cheese with every single fucking meal and be happy and like I even want to take a trip to Europe and 1 of my one of the things I want to do is want to have I want to take a week throughout italy and. Try the cheese from its originating place like try mozzarella in mozzarella because mozzarella is my favorite cheese so try in mozzella like I fucking love it. So that's that's what's so hard for me about just any diet in general is that I can't have cheese because I love it so much. So dairy is a big one. Um, and then also taking out starchy vegetables because people are like um, especially with I mean obviously fruits is a big part of it but like people talk about how like you're like oh I love corn and um, ah you know I'm really huge into potatoes and vegetables and stuff and it's like. Okay, but you're also talking about the starchy shit that is like barely a vegetable like corn is like so full of sugar and starch. It's retarded like okay I shouldn't be using that word, but it's true. It's like it's insane. How much is in it. Especially after all this. Genetic modify. You know, genetic modifying that we've done over the years and artificial selection and everything it's gotten to the point where it's like you're just eating like starch That's all, you're eating with corn and we're not supposed to digest corn. There's a reason it comes out fucking basically whole and it's because the outer skin is not meant to be digested.

45:14.36

Paul Garny

Ah, so it just corn is not necessarily a good vegetable to have so just cutting that out in general is good. Um, but at the end of the day. It's the sugar the dairy and the high process foods and keeping a good mindset towards it like just overall good health and well-being is a great way of. Looking at food because a lot of people look at food as a way of weight loss and I think that you shouldn't be looking at paleo like a weight loss tool and think you should be looking at paleo just a way of living. It's a lifestyle much like how bodybuiling should be looked at as a lifestyle this is not something that you should be doing because you want to lose weight or like ah. You should just want to run for a little bit of like a year it's It's a lifestyle it's becomes a part of you. You know it's it's stuff I could come completely explain. it's it's it's just a lifestyle it's like trying to explain like being an american to someone who's not an american you just you just an american there's no real way of explaining that.

46:08.94

christophknoll

You bleed you bleed beer.

46:13.34

Paul Garny

Yeah I bleed beer and shit burgers. But it's like you just you're just a. It's a lifestyle.. It's just the way you live is American There's no way of explaining that much like bodybuilding is much like paleo should be.. It's just a way of living. It's a lifestyle.. It's not ah, it's called a paleo diet but it's not a. Diet. It's just a way of living and you know their versatility is one thing I like about it because Veganism Vegetarian. You can't stray at fucking all like you can't have anything source from another animal I mean Vegetarian is a little more lenient but which I respect vegetarianism for that reason which we'll get into But. Veganism. You can't stray at all when it comes to sticking to it. You have to follow it to a T. Ah paleo is not necessarily the same way I think that like you said, if you had you know, just ah, a bright a meal here and there or vacation or something I think it's fine. Um, to go about that and I think that you know, Ah, it's not gonna be the end of the world If you're like oh I want to have you know?? ah a steak and some fries and you know salad with dressing and it's like sure you're not going to.. You're not going to feel good but at the end of the day I think that it's. You're goingnna be fine and you're gonna your bodies can not kind of digest it right? You're going to feel kind of shitty for a day but you're going to be able to enjoy it and go back guilt free because you're not sticking to a diet as a lifestyle and you just kind of fell from the lifestyle a bit So It's a good one.

47:45.70

christophknoll

I think a funny point is that the name paleo comes from you know Paleolithic Era so thousands of years ago when men were you know roaming and I was reading a research article and it said ah.

47:49.40

Paul Garny

M.

47:59.61

christophknoll

No long-term studies have been concluded for the long-term health effects of pale of the palelio diet and I'm like mother fucka what but I I just find it funny that you know we we spend all this time observing bones and and whatnot of.

48:08.20

Paul Garny

It's It's relatively new. That's why.

48:17.80

christophknoll

Of humankind way back when and we can more or less observe what a general day in the life of a person back then is like and yet it says we have no long term ah study. Obviously I know it's clinical and like research back but like saying no long term studies means like hey.

48:33.93

Paul Garny

This is.

48:36.66

christophknoll

Forget all the research and history. We've done of this entire era.

48:40.10

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's I mean we I see what you're saying you're looking back for like we live like this for thousands of years we were talking about long term study. We were long term for thousands of years with it. But it's it was developed essentially the original paleo diet was developed in 2002 by Dr Lauren cordain

48:53.31

christophknoll

I know I know.

49:00.00

Paul Garny

Um, and it was ah that's that's the reason why at the end of the day but it's like it's at you're you're looking at our ancestors way back in the day. So of course it like in a sense works and you know the thing with neanderthals or like the paleolithic era. A lot of people tend to and neglect is that they they were as smart as we are today but they didn't know as much as we do today. That's the that's the big differentiating factor. They had the same brain capacity same you know neurological efficiencies and everything that we have.

49:35.38

christophknoll

Nah they they they they use 200% of their brain. Ah.

49:36.18

Paul Garny

Today? Yeah, the sex now. Ah, but yeah, so there.

49:42.91

christophknoll

Ah, well now if you're you're using 200% of your brain. You're only using sex as a repopulation tool. You're not using it for anything else. Ah Susan let's get this over with.

49:50.44

Paul Garny

Yeah,, there's no,, There's no pleasure in it. It's you're just yeah, there's there's baby. There's baby and no Baby. We make baby but and baby made no more no more baby making baby's baby's made. Um, yeah, it's just. Like it's I think it's a good I think I mean obviously it's only been around for like 20 years in a sense the paleodite itself so we don't have the longterm lookout but like really though like how like what would really happen like even even keto like long term. It's not the healthiest option but like you're not going to kill yourself from keto. Yeah, it's like veganism will fucking kill you like that you can die from Veganism but like paleo you're not going to die from that if anything you might be like you know you might affect like your.

50:26.62

christophknoll

But what exactly it won't kill you exactly.

50:45.46

Paul Garny

General I don't know melanin production or some shit I don't know like these like little things that they're like oh it could be a little ornothy for this and it's like okay we're talking like marginal at best. So if you have to just take a supplement for it like take some vitamin D for for crying out loud like it's not the end of the world.

51:02.80

christophknoll

Ghosts on your balls.

51:03.44

Paul Garny

Yeah, just sun yourate bro. Just go do a hand stand upside down. Um, so and then another thing to mention too I think that kind of ties to this is a lot of the mindset, especially older generations like boomers especially um and even ah Gen x as well is that back in the 60 s. There was this whole marketing era when sugars are really starting to be added to foods because prior to that everything was being boiled. Ah you know, mid early to early nineteen hundreds early Twentieth century o allah. But everything was being boiled. It was just the way it was especially when it came to like dude I love some boiled pizza right now you kidding me throw that thing in the pot. Delicious stio. So um, so it's it's just how they got rid of bacteria so back in the 60 s.

51:37.94

christophknoll

I Love me I Love me some boiled chicken.

51:55.10

Paul Garny

It was starting to technology was starting to come around and ah, you know you're starting to get some conventional ovens and ah convection ovens even and fridges and all of that so you're starting to get to the point where you can start. You don't have to boil everything you can just actually cook it and there is a lot of marketing back in the day. And the sixty s that really pushed against fat in your food and really started pushing carbs because they were saying that like fat is what directly added fat to your body and that carbs isn't evil it's fat that's the evil and I just really wonder where we would be if they never did that because. It's not the reality and that's why there's so so much carbs in everything nowadays, especially sugar. So if we went the route of fat rather than sugar I really wonder where we where we would be today. Ah because. You know they took out fat out of everything it was everything was fat-free and dairy-free and fat-free this fat-free that and you know it just they just started adding sugar to everything and carvesd everything. Yeah, here's here's all the sodium for your entire day and 1 bite of this meal and all your sugar that you ever need.

52:56.67

christophknoll

But here's your sodium.

53:07.97

Paul Garny

And there's one meal right here and there's 1 cookie. Um I just I think that's a reason why we're kind of the way we are today is because of that stupid boomer generation of saying that fat was bad with no scientific backing by the way there was no actual scientific back in the state that fat was that bad for you. Um. There was no, it was just marketing much like how cigarettes back in the day they were marketed as you know doctors recommended them because there was no there really was no science backing it but it was just a way of selling it much like how food was being sold without the fat. So ah. That's a lot of the reason why we have to have diets like this so you have to really focus on cutting out carbs is because carbs is in everything sugar processed sugar is in everything even if you even if you don't expect it to be in something it's in it and it's crazy like if you get on keto you'd be so like. You truly have no idea how much sugar or carbs is in food until you get on keto it's like you grab like I don't even know it's like a good example, you'll grab anything off the shelf and almost guarantee you the sugar in it. You'll grab you grab like I don't even know like if you grab like some like fucking. Juiced vegetable juice drink. That's like the idea is I just vegetables in there. They're still fucking added sugars. It's like dude like you grab literally anything even like you grab unsweetened tea I bet you there's still fucking sugar in that shit if it's pre-bottled.

54:35.63

christophknoll

Well so that's a thing with ah a lot like there is some fast fast digesting carbs that I like to consume like pre-workout or something like that to give myself a little bit of a boost so like lemonade is my big one because Lemonade is fast acted carbs. But.

54:44.71

Paul Garny

Move. Yeah.

54:51.88

christophknoll

The the worst part about it is that if to get carb heavy lemonade. It has to be added sugar heavy lemonade if I get the no sugar ah lemonade. There's next to nothing for carbs and it's like here's all your sodium and it's it. It sucks because trying to find though.

55:03.63

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

55:11.29

christophknoll

Access to those you know obviously I I'm able to have the carbs I know probably talking about it gives you a little bit of a half job right now. But um, but but for for me like trying to find those those outlets is so tough.

55:18.85

Paul Garny

A little school hard.

55:29.89

christophknoll

Because everything has like we talked about the added sugars or just being processed and it's it's ah it is a challenge and of course you and I are of the 1% in this particular conversation because we actually read nutrition labels. Ah.

55:45.91

Paul Garny

Yeah, know how to read them.

55:48.88

christophknoll

Nine Nine not well not just know how but just actually reading them 90% of people if they saw 0 sugar on their lemonade. They'd be like this is perfect I will drink nothing but this this is basically flavored water and then they die. And yeah.

56:00.81

Paul Garny

Yeah, and that's even if they know how to read it I feel like most people don't even know how to read a nutrition label and it's not even like a language you have to learn you just have to understand what each ingredient essentially means that's it. It's really not that hard. But yeah I'm in the same bow. It's just so hard to like.

56:13.00

christophknoll

Um, you know.

56:19.61

Paul Garny

Being on keto it's like I'm like oh I mean like okay here's the thing like okay when you're looking at like when I go to a restaurant or something not even really restaurant like I'll go like because I love coffee I'm a huge coffee person just like you are. We're huge in a coffee and I'll go be going to a coffee shop like Starbucks for instance. And I'm like okay let me look at like it's not the best. It's not the best. Okay, okay, but right right? I'm not the biggest fan of Starbucks. The only thing I like from there is their espresso. That's the only thing ever you like but I'm like okay let me look at their let me look at their menu. Let me see what their nutrition labels say.

56:39.74

christophknoll

Ah, come on man come on. You can't you you can't say coffee shop and then say Starbucks.

56:55.81

Paul Garny

And let me let me look at like what's actually in it. So I'm like okay let me look at like the cappuccino right? should um, you can go on their website I think it is and you could find it So that's what I usually do.

57:01.90

christophknoll

Don't you have don't you have to request the ah nutrition labels. Oh okay I mean like in store I don't think they have it displayed I think you have to ask for it in store.

57:12.48

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, most most places you have to actually ask for it. Can I see your nutrition and sometimes I even ask be like look I've done this before and this was there's a there's a ah coffee shop I went to in ah the natic mall. Ah and I was like. Look I'm on keto I can't really have any carbs. What do you guys have here that is no carbs and essentially what ended up being was um, a we had a I had a coffee a hot coffee with a splash of coconut milk and. A splash or a shot of coconut flavoring which is like almost no carbs and or like really no calories in general and I'm like that's fucking it like that's how Starbucks is. It's like I'm looking at their menu and I'm like looking at like their cappuccino which really should have like no carbs in it and they're still like added sugar I'm like why like what. What is the reasoning. It's supposed to be no sugar that is the point like like if I go and I have an espresso and I swear a fuck if you add sugar to my espresso I'll be fucking livid in espresso. It's just concentrated coffee. That's it water and fucking coffee beans if you add sugar to it I will freak the fuck out. Not really, but. Will be upset internally I will not say anything but I will still be upset and that's how it is. It's just like you can't you can't go anywhere without having fucking added sugar. Yeah I'm going to do extra cardio because you added sugar to my coffee asshole.

58:33.53

christophknoll

I'll go to the gym for an extra 20 minutes thinking about you. Ah.

58:42.90

Paul Garny

Have to do more stair master son of a bitch. It's it's rough. No, it's rough. It's it's added in everything carbs are in everything. So I think that you get on any sort of carb low carb Diet. You're really good to experience what? that's like and it's really hard and like you you talk to people about. Like you were saying you know, cutting out process sugars and that's such a hard thing for people to do like you go up to anybody be like they're like oh how do I What? What do I do if I were to follow someone around you know with their diet or something like that and they tell me I see exactly what they eat because what people tell you what they eat, They almost always leaf stuff out. So if you actually saw what they eat.

59:17.60

christophknoll

Ah.

59:19.30

Paul Garny

You'd really like probably have to take out most of the stuff that they eat at the end of the day.

59:23.45

christophknoll

The um, the only people who are truthful with what they say when they eat are Jim Bros because we track everything? yeah.

59:29.72

Paul Garny

Yeah, and we weigh it like I weigh my food scale like I'm surprised is not broken after a couple years of usage like that thing is my freaking best friend like that thing has gone through some serious shit. Um.

59:41.27

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

59:41.56

Paul Garny

But yeah, you're like you got to take this Out. You got to take this Out. You got to take this out. Got to take this out there are there are healthy alternatives to pretty much everything but you got to take out most people's entire diet. Essentially you know people will start the day you're not supposed to start your day full of sugar. But people will start it with cinnamon toast crunch and believe me it tastes amazing I Love Cinnamon Toast Crunch I Love pancakes and Waffles. You're not supposed to start your day. A full of sugar fucking mice meal just now because I didn't have any egg whites I just had chicken and ah a ricecake with peanut butter. That was my that was my breakfast.

01:00:19.80

christophknoll

I'm gonna push back on on pancakes because well okay, flapjacks flapjacks are different if you if you do ah obviously we're talking no syrup no added things and no whipped cream. So it tastes like a fucking piece of cardboard. Yeah, that's different.

01:00:29.98

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, it's just bread. Essentially yeah, that's what I I agree.

01:00:36.32

christophknoll

But yes I I agree so most like growing up even I can think back for myself like growing up when I got out of bed and I was not a morning person never have been a morning person and this was before I had access to coffee so I was even less a morning person and I would fall down the stairs to the.

01:00:49.63

Paul Garny

Yeah. Fall that.

01:00:54.29

christophknoll

The kitchen and be like alright mom. What are we doing for breakfast and it was cereal options and cereal is 90% of cereals out. There are garbage for you? Yeah, they taste great I snack on you know I wish I could just sit there with the ah my.

01:01:04.16

Paul Garny

Yeah, the sugar.

01:01:13.40

christophknoll

Guilty fucking pleasure when it comes to cereal is the um, the Reese's puff ah cereal. But that's my guilty pleasure like if I could just sit there. Yeah, you don't even need to give me like a bowl and milk I'll just eat it right out of the bag like that is my I wish I could eat that but by eating like.

01:01:26.52

Paul Garny

Is.

01:01:32.55

christophknoll

10 of the little fucking bits I've achieved my sugar intake for the day like it's it's it's garbage and people just don't realize that because it's become such a societal norm to you know, have cerial waking up and you know the the brands that.

01:01:35.47

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's insane.

01:01:51.23

christophknoll

Actually are decent for you are the ones that kids go ear to and so when that happens and nobody buys them and then we don't see them around anymore like I I get very frustrated when I think about cereal because I think about myself and how much I love them and how much I still love them. But I can't eat them.

01:01:54.20

Paul Garny

Are you.

01:02:07.92

Paul Garny

Yeah I I'd love serial if I could have it.

01:02:10.40

christophknoll

And oh God Yeah I mean there's so many things like this is why this conversation is so like not not cereal or sugar but like dieting in general is such a frustrating conversation because people who take their. Physical Lifestyle serious have to cut out so many things and I mean there's probably you and I probably each have lists of things that we dream about eating again. But we know that unless something Happens. We're probably never going to touch that food again and that.

01:02:29.45

Paul Garny

And.

01:02:46.32

christophknoll

Is one of the most frustrating things but that in itself is the hardest leap to take when it comes to taking your dieting seriously like cutting out candy cutting out any like honestly cutting out you know most fast food even because of how much you know.

01:02:52.30

Paul Garny

M.

01:03:03.12

christophknoll

Just black goes into that and the grease count in itself too like cutting out a lot of that stuff too. So when you hear Paul and I talk about these diets and you are interested in 1 of them have a conversation with 1 of us or someone you know just to see if you're serious about it because.

01:03:03.51

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:03:22.99

christophknoll

It's no joke taking on one of these diets like it it. It really isn't like and it has to be for you like you have to want to do it like if you like let's say you're on the obese side of things and you don't want to lose the weight.

01:03:27.10

Paul Garny

It's a lifestyle you have to change your lifestyle.

01:03:33.32

Paul Garny

M.

01:03:41.62

christophknoll

You will not be disciplined and you'll probably break the diet so you have to actually want it and that's the big thing too. Um I don't know it's just so tough that that's why I'm glad I you know meanual were in our we our mid 20 s I'm glad we've you know, stabilized ourselves for. Ah, at least 2 years now of of dieting and we actually understand everything like I can only imagine trying to come into this life in your you know late 30 s early 40 s like right around the half century Mark like you have the the but and you don't know the majority of your life under your belt doing 1 thing.

01:04:08.82

Paul Garny

Even if.

01:04:16.18

Paul Garny

Who Yeah, it's even harder.

01:04:18.11

christophknoll

And changing that up would be terrible. So a little bit of a yeah, a little bit of a side rant there but it's still something to think about when you think about dieting.

01:04:26.78

Paul Garny

No, it's the truth behind it and I think that every single diet that you go into if it is even a diet or meal plan. Whatever the biggest thing that I want to state here and I think that if you're listening this, You should really really consider. This is no matter what you're eating. Matter what diet you're doing always have a good relationship with the food that you're having you know when you're you know there's there's there's reasons why stuff like um, what was that show where the goal was to see who could lose the most amount of weight in a certain period of time. Um.

01:05:02.51

christophknoll

Wow I was I was thinking the opposite I thought you're going to ask me about super size.

01:05:04.68

Paul Garny

I forget what I called? No no, no, no super size me was it was a good documentary but is also an extreme side of things I kind of feel bad for a lot of people who felt guilty from that. But um, no, there was a show where the goal was like you had like contestants and. They were like all very large people and the goal was to see who could lose the most amount of weight and in a certain amount of time and they they put themselves in this situation. But the problem is is that you're you're kind of forced into eating a certain way and because of that you kind of build the resentment towards the food that you're eating and I think that that's a really unhealthy way of going about it. You need to no matter what you're eating no matter the reason why you're eating it. You need to build a good relationship with that food and I think that that starts with the reason you're doing it in the first place and then also follow it up with making sure that you still are able to make food that tastes good to you? um. You know I'm going through a bout right now where I just can't stand chicken and it just makes everything so much harder because it's not even about the flavor. It's just I just I don't know how to explain it I just just thinking about chicken makes me want to throw up. It's just for some reason I just don't have a good relationship with it right now. But. I need it so I need to change something about the way I make my chicken because I just can't stand it and I have this like resentment towards it for that reason and I think that if you go into any sort of diet or meal plan with the mindset that you're just you just resent the entire thing it's going to be 10 times harder for you.

01:06:38.29

Paul Garny

Because even though I've been sticking to this meal plan for a while and even though I've been having chicken for four meals a day for the longest time now that I have a bad relationship with it. It just is so much harder than it's ever been and I think that I mean I think keto kind of has played a role in it because. Chicken is like my main source of food right now. It's literally like most of my calories is chicken right now. So I think that's a big reason why but um, you need to have a good relationship with whatever food you're having and that just goes for any sort of diet anything that you're having and you got to have a true understanding of the reason why you're doing it. Because if you're just doing it to compete in a show. You're not going to have the same drive as you do if. You're truly trying to better your life and if you truly have that motivation. You know there's different ways to get at that motivation um but if you truly have that motivation that determination to do it. Ah, you'll get to where you want to go and it all starts with making sure that you can still kind of enjoy your food and that goes for everybody bodybuilders anybody on keto vegetarianism vegetarians vegans everybody if you can't enjoy your food then you just really shouldn't be doing it in the first place. So.

01:07:46.47

christophknoll

And you heard Paul talk about his relationship with chicken right now for reference. Um, obviously most people listening this podcast probably understand or live by this. But if you don't and if you may be stumbled by this podcast if you're a Jim bro. Chicken is literally your best friend so when you hear when you hear someone when you hear someone as invested in the world as Paul saying he hates chicken right now you know that that's severe because most of us live die and preach by the chicken. So that's.

01:08:02.89

Paul Garny

Number 1 protein.

01:08:13.41

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, it sucks it truly sucks.

01:08:21.82

christophknoll

Yeah, um, but that being said I think hitting vegetarianism before Veganism makes sense. Yeah, so when we talk about vegetarianism. Obviously you are. It's.

01:08:26.79

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, that does.

01:08:40.50

christophknoll

You take the base of the word. Obviously this is english teacher in me but you take the base of the word. Um and that is vegetable. You are you are loving vegetables. Um, give me 1 quick sec I ah there we go I forgot to have this thing open here. Um, but. Yeah, you're it's I'm going to say it's similar to the paleo and the fact that you're eating a lot of naturally produced you know vegetables fruits. You're allowed grins. Um, but you're taking out the meat side of things. Um, so you know. We don't have if you're on the vegetarian diet. You're not having the ah you're not having the chicken that we preach and die by um, but you are really focusing on ah vegetables fruits, grains, legumes and nuts. Um.

01:09:25.10

Paul Garny

2

01:09:36.78

christophknoll

And you're you are allowed. Um I think this is where the leeway is um, you're allowed some dairy I think it depends where the dairy comes from um, but that's where you have a little bit of leeway because Vegans are like now it's terrible. Um, so.

01:09:44.27

Paul Garny

You have.

01:09:55.20

christophknoll

That's certainly a little bit of leeway. Um, but it is a severe change for anybody thinking about it because it's It's next to nothing of what you the and I'm I'm talking about the average American because.

01:10:02.85

Paul Garny

For here.

01:10:14.47

christophknoll

Paul and I both are american we live in America we understand how americans interact um and so when I say it's a drastic change I mean from the american standpoint um, and we now have to make that distinction because I think what 20% of our listeners are.

01:10:17.83

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:10:27.24

Paul Garny

Definitely.

01:10:32.94

Paul Garny

Yeah, we got a good international audience. So those of you who are listening who are an international. Thank you! We love you.

01:10:34.11

christophknoll

Non-us citizens. So.

01:10:40.70

christophknoll

Hell yeah, um, and so by saying that it's a drastic change. It's a drastic change for us living in the states because again everything is so a here's some grease on top of your food. Um, and so that's why I say it's such a severe change.

01:10:45.17

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:10:57.68

christophknoll

Um, but I will say that another reason behind the vegetarian diet is honestly price. So a vegetarian diet's actually a really good college diet because it's a lot cheaper than anything else because. For those of you who know meat is expensive and it continues to get hit by inflation especially Eggs. Oh God eggs are expensive now. Um, it's terrible. Um, but yeah, it's I know I don't give as detailed of a scientific.

01:11:24.64

Paul Garny

Ah, ridiculous.

01:11:34.15

christophknoll

Backing as Paul does when we talk about the diets but that's kind of an overall aspect your your it's it's very focused within vegetables and also the right vegetables because you know you heard Paul talk earlier about corn and corn tastes great but corn's kind of shit for you. So.

01:11:34.88

Paul Garny

In.

01:11:50.54

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:11:53.76

christophknoll

It's it's eating the right kind of vegetables and maintaining it as well. This is there is some leeway. But if you eat meat you kind of broke it and then you got to restart but it's not like keto where you have to go and go through keto flu or anything like that you you just have the Karens on Facebook.

01:12:08.90

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, and I respect vegetarians I respect the diet behind it because a lot of vegetarians. The reason they do It is just it's not typically for rate loss or anything like that. It's because they're just against animal cruelty.

01:12:12.84

christophknoll

Ah, you have to deal with.

01:12:27.84

Paul Garny

And I respect that they um my thing with diets for the community is a part of it is I think that if you just do it because of your own reasons and you don't push it too hard on anybody else I respect you I can respect that. If you're doing it for like me keto I always preface by saying this's not something maintain. It's not something I recommend to people but this is what it entails. Ah, the reason why I'm doing it x y and z stuff like that I don't I'm not someone who's gonna preach keto to anybody. So I think that if you're gonna preach something. I'll preach paleo because it truly is actually a really healthy diet and it's a great way of living but something like vegetarianism is not for everybody same with veganism and pescatarian which we're going to go into um I respect pescatarians even more than I respect vegetarians but vegetarians I respect because. On top of having you know the dairy here and there if it is sourced properly with you know, cruelty, free sources. Um, they also have eggs and I think that's the biggest like bullshit thing that vegans really fight as eggs because eggs is truly truly a renewable. Food source because chickens will lay eggs or regardless if the eggs are fertilized so those who don't know the way that this works is chickens are the females roosters are the males. That's why roosters are assholes because they're all the do is that have to protect the flocks of chickens and typically when you have 1 rooster you're going to have a bunch of.

01:13:56.25

Paul Garny

Bunch of hens and the hens are the ones that lay the eggs and the way it works is the roosters fertilize the hens eggs that the hens are creating that day So then then when they lay the Egg. It's a fertilized egg that they then. Have to protect and warm and heat and all of that to become a chicken um or become a chick that gets hatched out of the egg. The hen will regardless lay an egg every single day. That's why we have eggs. That's why we're able to have eggs.

01:14:25.85

christophknoll

At least at least 1

01:14:29.58

Paul Garny

Yeah, at least one a day just a rule of thumb is just one a day. Um, so it's truly a renewable source of food because either way they're going to lay that eggs. So why not take that egg and eat it because there's nothing. You're not hurting anything so that's why I respect vegetarians because they have eggs. And because a lot of eggs I mean graed if you get eggs from a locally sourced farm. It's even better, but ah eggs are just typically cruelty free're they're goingnna lay it either way and I mean there's plenty of you know farms that don't treat the the chickens correctly and you know aren't treating them the way they should be and just. Don't source the eggs in a good way, but especially when it comes to like vegetarian and pale paleo diets and even vegans if you just whatever you're getting just source it from a local farm chances are it's going to be good for them. It's going to be good for the animals. It's going to be good for you. Um, you know because they say oh it's free range chickens but the free range part of things. Is so lax according to the Fda because the Fda is a fucking joke Fda is such a government organization. It's fucking laughable but free range is like the the actual qualification for free range is almost nothing same with organic. Don't buy like. Organic shit because it's organic. Buy it because wherever that source is is a good source because organic to get the label of organic you almost need nothing um, almost no difference from non-organic to organic. So.

01:16:01.96

Paul Garny

Ah, free range chickens the same way. Don't buy cage free free range chicken bullshit because it's at the end of day. It's really no difference. Um, so if you're able to source it from a local farm who just has like a really open wide area that the hens then just come to a like chicken coop to lay their eggs if they're just taught that way. Essentially then. Sort of true way of getting good eggs. So for that reason I respect vegetarians and a lot of them aren't like the the communities behind these diets too is also big reason a lot of people are kind of pushed away. But I think that vegetarians um, kind of get a bad rat because of vegans but vegetarians is a pretty good vegetarianism is a pretty good way of. Going about things for the most part I mean I think that having red meat and having wild game and stuff like that can be very beneficial just like the paleo diet has but I think that if you're gonna if you're goingnna go in the route of fighting against animal cruelty I think vegetarianism is the way to go um or well really pescatarian I think prescatarian is a way to go so that. Pesctarianism what pescatarian is is vegetarian because have fish. That's really the only difference and I think that fish is also very sustainable and I think it's a very good practice if the fishery that you're purchasing from really is promoting sustainable fishing because. Fishing is very sustainable and you know a lot of fish give birth to a lot of eggs which become a lot of fish. So it's very easy to ah fish sustainably and ethically obviously there's going to be the outliers here and there in America there's a lot a lot of rules when it comes to fishing.

01:17:36.88

Paul Garny

And that's why it's very hard for the fishing industry in America to really thrive is for that reason I mean especially when it comes to like tuna and stuff like that. It's so they're so particular on the length the head the the weight of fish. Um, how much you can fish where you can fish stuff like that. But when you get into other countries. Um. You know I think China is one of those countries that doesn't have super strict fishing laws. So that's where you're gonna get a lot of the shark fin soup a lot of whale fishing stuff like that that's considered illegal here. So for fishing here. We do a lot of importing from other countries. But if you can if you can get ah locally fished. Ah, fish essentially and have good sustainable fish then it's a really good way of living a good life as well. But when it comes to pescatarianism. You got to be careful of the mercury you got to be careful of the heavy irons and heavy metals that these fish have within their systems because there is a point where it can become unhealthy. And also at the same time you don't want to go with like ah super sheet fish. Um I had a really good conversation with my coach late recently. Um about where I was at and it's a long story It's just a mental I need a mental check and he was he was there to have a conversation and one of the things he talked about was how he had a problem with. His diet back in the day he had to do an elimination diet because of his own reasons and he had to cut 1 of the biggest things that he's learned is that cheap fish really do affect your body in a big way and that would be a like talaia Tolapia is not good for you in ah in excess amounts same with swi.

01:19:11.50

Paul Garny

So why is another one that's ah you know, not the best for you. So a lot of these white fishes that you can eat in excess because they're relatively cheap. Not the best for you. So if you get like fresh fish from local markets and stuff. It can be very good for you. Um, you know, obviously try to stay away from shellfish shellfish isn't inherently good for you. It's you're eating the filtration. Of the ocean. Essentially they're the bugs of the ocean in a sense so try to stay away from shellfish. But that's why I respect pescatarianians is because they also have fish here and there so they just they really just stay away from like red meats and white meats of like. Animals like chickens pork stuff like that so they stay away from all of that and just have this stuff. That's more sustainable and really live more of an animal cruelty-free life much like vegetarians. But then we get into the extreme side of things which um when we brought up when I brought up this topic of conversation. Christoph was like I am so excited to talk about vegans and it's it's true. It's vegans is the ah the typically the general. Yeah, the general vegans not the type of person that you want promoting um the.

01:20:04.47

christophknoll

Who.

01:20:11.63

christophknoll

Bunch of bitches.

01:20:22.80

Paul Garny

Healthy like or you know Diet Lifestyle or diet in quotations culture which I want to throw up saying but that's what people a lot of people call it much like how you don't want cross fitters representing exercise so Vegans and crossfiters are two sides of the same coin. Um.

01:20:39.42

christophknoll

How much do you want to? how much do you want to bet that have let a large percentage of people who are on the vegan diet are also crossfitters. But.

01:20:41.34

Paul Garny

So go ahead with.

01:20:49.15

Paul Garny

Ah, good good amount I think good amount. That's that's for damn sure. Um, so we'll ah go ahead and go into that if you want Chris I can go ahead and start off with vegans.

01:20:58.32

christophknoll

While vegans there. Okay I'll start by saying I understand wanting to take a stance against animal cruelty that I can I can understand that so I'm not going to fault the entire thing I'm going to fault everything else Besides that.

01:21:08.79

Paul Garny

We.

01:21:18.23

christophknoll

So essentially veganism takes out anything that could have potentially been fucking farted on by by an animal. Um, ah yeah, but literally anything um like I make the joke that their spaghetti is boiled grass. Um, but.

01:21:25.18

Paul Garny

Or come from an animal. Even yeah, anything with a face.

01:21:35.85

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:21:37.71

christophknoll

Essentially um, you're avoiding anything and everything that was that like Paul says has a face on it. Um, and that I in essence is a stance against the animal cruelty because if you think. If you don't know or talk about when we say animal cruelty take a look at where your your t-bone state comes from ah from the supermarket like just do a little research on that I'm not going to dive too deep but it's ah it's it's it's a factory and it's terrible. Um, but yeah.

01:21:59.00

Paul Garny

And here.

01:22:07.60

Paul Garny

Yeah, for a lot of them.

01:22:12.39

christophknoll

So of course you have your outliers but generally speaking. It's It's a fucked up situation. Um, and so I can kind of understand that but the real thing that I have against veganism is while one by taking away anything that comes from an animal cruelty or not.

01:22:15.51

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:22:34.20

christophknoll

You lost so much protein and ah vegans in my experience Also do not take any kind of supplements because a lot of supplements use animal byproduct and so they're not even supplementing their deficiencies which is why it's not sustainable. Um.

01:22:48.79

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, they should be though they should be supplementing the different disease. Yeah.

01:22:52.10

christophknoll

They should be I agree they should be but if you read and reading I'll say reading a nutrition label of a supplement is a lot different than reading a nutrition label of food in the Supermarket. So if you can learn to read a nutrition label of of um. Supplements Oh I will say there is you know, depending on the Brand. You're going to find animal product in there so they don't touch it and because of that some the average vegan that you can think of is very like undersize, Underweighted. Um. I I Yeah I immediately think of it you know like Hippie clothing. But that's just my personal you know stereotyping of them. But my biggest problem with vegans is that they're like a far I compare them to a far left liberal if you try and have a conversation with them.

01:23:31.83

Paul Garny

Unhealthy.

01:23:51.19

christophknoll

It is not possible to have a intellectual conversation with them. It is right down to the bone they're calling me a monster and there's nothing else and there is no wiggle room for conversation and that's my big thing with with veganism because I um I would love to talk about it. I Actually now I and I know one vegan that I actually enjoy being around um and it's because I can have conversations with him about Veganism Um, and he's the only one I've literally the only person that I have met who subscribes to the vegan diet who I can have conversations with.

01:24:18.79

Paul Garny

8

01:24:30.88

christophknoll

And if everyone was like him I would not have a problem I mean ok I would not have as big of a problem as I would with veganism but it's just the Karen culture is absurd when it comes to veganism. Um, you can find. All sorts of social media posts where people are having animal rallies like out in the streets or whatever and they're trying to promote you know a ah stoppage of animal cruelty which again I can kind of understand um and people will walk up like. Being obviously clickbait just walking up with like a chicken wing and just eating it in front of people and they essentially get mobbed and that's what I don't like if I walked up I agree and that's why I say clickbait like I I completely understand that that is a real dick thing to do but I would love to.

01:25:07.83

Paul Garny

You kind of asking for that though. Yeah.

01:25:19.35

christophknoll

Go to one of those rallies and try and have intellectual conversations and just see how much failure there is I won't even bring chicken or or any kind of meat or anything I'll just bring myself and I just it's not possible to have those conversations which is also why I'm so curious as to why this is such a mainstream thing because. How do you convince someone to become a vegan if all you're doing is shouting and screaming at them like I Really don't get that and another like the animal cruelty thing too. I'm not I don't fully subscribe to that either because yes I understand.

01:25:42.54

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's backwards.

01:25:56.89

christophknoll

How we harvest our meats is you know you keep them basically in Lockup and whatnot. But in the wild when a lion sees a Gazelle The Gazelle knows it has to run and the lion knows it's going to eat the fucking Gazelle if it can catch it. There is no other. There's no Morality or ethics.

01:26:13.20

Paul Garny

Um, civil.

01:26:16.70

christophknoll

Conversation being made between either of them. They know from the Gazelle's point of view. It's flight and the lion's point of view. It's fight like you there is no and I guess that's what makes us human our morality. But there's no outside conversation. No outside factors.

01:26:29.18

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:26:35.81

christophknoll

And that's what I kind of subscribe to like I will eat my meat and I will eat it in whatever way, it's produced because it's It's just a lay of land humans have become the dominant species of the planet and so I'm going to be okay with. Ah, obtaining my meats and foods based on. However, we've done it because that's just how nature works if nature didn't want or some overlying factor didn't want us to be able to do what we do to animals. They wouldn't have made it possible for us and.

01:27:07.76

Paul Garny

You.

01:27:10.77

christophknoll

We have the ability to to which is why I don't subscribe to the veganism mentality because it's shared like the animals are tucked away and it's it looks really fucked up but it wouldn't be possible if we weren't supposed to be able to do that. So That's kind of my big pushback against Veganism. Um, and you just can't talk to them. That's my big thing like vegetarians vegetarians are very open. They love to have conversations and they're very like diplomatic with it too like you can have long strung out intellectual conversations diving into the details and. Like Micros Macros and all of that you can have those conversations I bring up like hey where are you supplementing your lack of protein from meat from and I get hit with Well You're just saying that because you want to you want to continue cruelling like being cruel to animals and there's no.

01:28:08.40

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:28:08.21

christophknoll

There's no conversations to be had and that's where I absolutely hate them again. I'm being completely genuine when I say I have met 1 1 single vegan that I actually enjoy talking to and that's just my big pushback on it.

01:28:25.38

Paul Garny

Yeah, ah when it comes to really any community. There's going to be bad apples and I think that you're also going to have the extreme side of things in any sort of community and I know you mentioned like left extremely left ah people I Would you say the liberal just left extremely left-leaning people. You're going to have the same thing with extremely right-ling people as Well. Ah, you know majority of people in politics generally sit somewhere in the middle. Um, so when when we're talking about the extreme side of things. There's going to be an extreme side of things to every single community. There's going to be bad apples in every single community. The problem with vegans is. Especially with social media and stuff like that is that a lot of these vegans have you know there's there's Respected. There's respectable vegans out there. You know if you're if you show me the respect that I show you great. That's all I ask for and that goes for every single community I'm going to show you the respect. That I think that you deserve with your opinions. So I would I would just expect the same respect in return Um, Vegans have gotten a bad rap because of bad apples much like that vegan teacher or whatever her name is um where she goes out and attacks people for like stupid mundane bullshit Like. Using cruelty-free markers and bullshit like that cruelty-free crayons and it's like ah there there's the Id behind Vegans is just not using any sort of animal Bribe byproduct and there is the extreme side of things where you don't use.

01:29:55.49

Paul Garny

Anything sourced from any sort of animal and that's when you started sort of get into like the hippie kind of people because they have to also wear like ah clothing. That's not any sort of remotely sourced from any sort of animal. Ah, you know they can't really have any sort of furniture from that. You know, know certain dyes and stuff like that are from animals and like that's the really extreme side of things and I think that that vegan teacher is kind of like the bad Apple in that sense because she's like really criticizing people who are doing good. You know, especially ever since she went after Mr Beast for some video he did. And he was giving money to people basically and she's like I hope you're using crueltyfree markers and you should be promoting a vegan life such bullshit and I think that she's kind of I can't tell if it's fucking satire because it's so ridiculous. Um, and that goes for anybody as well like you were talking about. You know these protests vegans and stuff like that and it's like. Stop like you should not be protesting your diet or the way you live your life I'm not going to protest against Mcdonald's because Mcdonald's is unhealthy for people who aren't bodybuilders like it. It just doesn't. It doesn't make any sense and you know they'll go into Mcdonald's in fast food places and restaurants and stuff and pour blood on them and bullshit and it's like or fake blood or whatever and it's like that's the that's the problem that I think a lot of vegans have and that's the bad apples that kind of represent the the community in a lot of people's eyes but veganism as a diet is.

01:31:25.43

Paul Garny

Is where I also have a huge problem with it is that I understand not wanting to promote animal cruelty but there's a lot of a lot if you really do the research I would say the majority of especially cow farms really aren't that cruel. Obviously you're gonna have the gigantic cow farms that are very cruel and that's gonna be a lot of the meat that's sourced in the grocery store and stuff. But if you really do the research most farmers aren't cruel to their animals especially cows and a lot of the cows live. I mean they're not going to live like a pasture-free life but they're not also unhappy either. You know there's there's ah a Youtube series I was watching from this guy who tries to fight that idea that all cow farmers are awful and he shows the living conditions of them and he's constantly trying to. Make their lives better even though they're not free range and they're not out in pastures roaming around he tries to make their life as good as possible and you know with proper air circulation within the within the farm and um, making sure their food is as healthy for them as possible and as good for them as possible and given them. You know the space that they need if they have calf and ah you know the right hay and stuff like that. You know there's a lot of a lot of these farmers who really do care about their animals and you know obviously they're not going to name. Their animals are going to give them numbers and kind of give it like you know, not be emotionally attached to these animals but vegans kind of.

01:32:54.78

Paul Garny

Shit on those types of farmers and that's why I can respect vegetarians because if you can air Pescatarians too vegetarians and pescatarians because if you could find decently sourced food I think that that's okay and I think that that's not going to be the end of the world and people argue especially vegans are like oh you willing to kill the animal that you eat in. Absolutely if I have to go kill a cow to eat the meat that I have to eat if I can kill it in a humane way. Absolutely I would do that but my problem obviously with any sort of meat sourcing issues when they kill them in it in humane way and in a torturous way. That's when I have a problem but like when you're having chickens like you know for the longest time the way. Would eat Chickens. It's just chimp simply chopping off their head. It's messed up in a sense but it's quick. It's quick and done and they don't feel any pain and I think that's as humane as it can go if they don't feel any pain when it comes to their death I Think that's as good as he can get um and much like hunting hunting is very humane and. We we literally have to Hunt. We still have to hunt to this day because especially deer because the deer population gets out of control if we don't hunt and which is weird because I don't know I've never looked into it but thinking about it during this conversation like you mentioned earlier these ideas that I have why don't we farm deer is that like against the law.

01:34:11.63

christophknoll

I think I think the reason why we don't farm deer Elk or things like that is because the hunting community needs something to hunt I Feel like that is directly a derivative because like back when mankind was hunting like you know pigs were.

01:34:12.39

Paul Garny

I've no I know nothing about it. But.

01:34:30.47

christophknoll

Roaming and you would hunt pigs but pigs are so like there's so few wild unomesticated pigs out there now. So I feel like Deer Elk Moose things like that are kind of claimed by hunting ah community if that makes sense.

01:34:37.50

Paul Garny

And.

01:34:46.41

Paul Garny

Yeah,, let me let me look this up quick because I thought of it earlier and I've never thought of this. Why don't we farm beer. Yeah, Okay, so this is a pretty good, pretty commonly searched um term let's see let me see if I so qrra of course is qora. Um, they raise themselves So Humans don't need to once we kill off the wolves deer now need human hunters to call their population. Um, we see deer are already the type of animal that kill the most humans after Mosquitoes and you have such a large population to step into highways and kill humans in a car wrecks blah Blah blah.

01:35:03.53

christophknoll

Ah.

01:35:22.68

Paul Garny

So Venice and fat is nasty waxy and tastes terrible when species are domesticated they produce more and more fat for deer. That's a part that tastes the worst some ranches do raise deer for me these places need to have fences that are huge. The reason santa has a slave with flying deer is that how high the delicious things can jump. I mean okay, that makes sense if it's just like they don't want deer to get fat so they let them roam freely and we just hunt them in that case and it's what's funny about venison is that like the only time I've ever had venison is anytime I'm over someone's place or house or involved with someone who's who hunts.

01:35:57.90

christophknoll

Who hunts? yeah.

01:36:00.10

Paul Garny

Yeah, exactly you don't you don't just like buy it from somewhere you have to like know someone who's hunted. It. So I mean I want to have enough land to be able to hunt on my own land. That's what ah, that's my goal of one day but regardless um I think that there's humane ways of going about things and I think that vegans kind of shit on that and. I understand not wanting to have like makeup or fragrance or anything like that that uses zen will byproduct because stuff like that can be pretty cruel to animals especially when it comes to like testing stuff. Um, but yeah.

01:36:28.30

christophknoll

Enjoy smelling like shit.

01:36:32.27

Paul Garny

Yeah, a lot of them do because they can't wear a deodorant and shit with the animal byproducts and stuff like that and I think that there's ah so there's a social way of doing things like vegetarians. There's a social social way of fighting against animal cruelty. But there's also just the ridiculous side of things and veganism as a diet is so incredibly unhealthy. And any any time you see someone who's on a vegan diet. They're almost always scrawny and extremely unhealthy because we're not meant to be vegans at all I understand you know, ah not wanting to eat me and stuff like that and we're not supposed to have a shit ton of me it was it was a like. Ah, it was a privilege to have meat when we were back at the paleolithic era. So paleo is like it's a blessing to have meat in a sense so that's why you only really have red meat because that's all they ever hunted and chicken wasn't really ever something that they had so even then red meat was really like. If. They got a big animal. They could last for a while for the red meat. But like if they were out then they were out. There is no having it so but vegans is just it's it's very unhealthy because you're not going to get the proper protein and they're like oh beans have this amount of protein and stuff and it's like. Like oh it's a higher concentration boom. but but but it's like it's not first of all, it's not the same type of protein as meat protein. It's not going to be digested the same. You're not going to be getting the same bioavailability out of it and at the same time they say oh it's a higher concentration but it's like it's really not because a hundred grams of like let's say like a hundred grams a steak

01:38:00.50

Paul Garny

Is a significant less amount of food than one hundred grams of like peas is because peas are so light you have to eat a shit ton of these vegetables to get the same amount of protein. So you're also stuffing the fuck out of your stomach to get all the necessarily new necessary nutrients you need. And they have to take all these kind like the proper like proper vegans have to take tons and tons of vitamins and supplements in order to give their body the actual micronutrients that they need ah because if they don't then they're essentially removing years off their lives. Um, and it's just very unhealthy. It's unique. There's a reason we need these micro and micronutrients that we've done countless studies on and I mean even having a multivitamin. We need to have multivitamins just in general the average person needs a multivitamin let alone anybody who's a vegan because you're not getting any ah the the micronutrients and a multivitamin. Um, so you there's plenty of people I've seen on social media stuff like that that that promote vegan diets and there's even different kinds of vegan diets. Even um and there's one that I've seen that like I even know where this guy lives. It's just he just him and his wife I think it is just eat a shit ton of fruit. Like that's like all they eat but it's like you're stuffing your face which is tons of sugar tons of sugar and no protein and like this dude's like scrawny to the bone not quite malnourished but like Scrawny and you're you're not even just.

01:39:32.32

Paul Garny

Not getting what you need and are really skinny. You're also like really fighting against your net your body's natural ah like performance in everything like you're going to have trouble going up flights of stairs. You're not going to have any strength to lift anything. Like you're you're not going to be able to really participate in anything athletic, not that you need to but like I live on the third floor of an apartment building I mean I have trouble carrying up a shit ton of grocery sometimes let alone if I was scrawny had no strength or energy because of veganism I would really struggle. So. It's like stuff like that that it really inhibits a ah problem as well. It's just your overall well-being and just living your life I mean fucking walk on the beach for a half mile're I'm dying dude like it's so hard to walk on a beach in the sand with. You know, unstable ground so like imagine walking on the beach with like a vegan diet and vegan lifestyle you're gonna really struggle with that energy and that lack of mobility or lack of strength. So that's the other problem with vegans too. Not to mention the community. It's just so toxic. A lot of the people involveds are just so over the top with it. Um. You know you have that 1 guy you said that you respect because he can have conversations about it and I think that if you try to promote it. There's promoting and then there's also pushing and I think if you promote like I think this is what people should be on ah like me paleo I don't promote it or I mean I promote it. But I don't push it. It's not something I talk about in social media or anything. But if I'm having a conversation with people bought diets.

01:41:01.84

Paul Garny

I'll say paleo is the ideal one and I think that everybody should be on paleo but I'm not going to push people to do that. Just like how vegans should be I think that if they promote it. They're like oh I think people should be vegans. But if that's your decision not to be then that's on you, you know that's your decision. So I think that's how people should carry themselves but they don't. Like crossfitters that joke about crossfiters earlier a lot of them treat it as like a godsend and the guy who created Crossfit created it because his gym was failing and he needed to create something that was completely different and he started it in like their early like mid to early 2000 and there was no science backing any of what he was doing. It was just something different that he could market and he marketed it as Crossfit and it became this corporation. It's a trademarked Exercise Crossfit is a trademarked exercise but it became this like cultish view just like veganism is veganism is a very. Cul tish mindset for a lot of them and I think that that's a big downfall to it and I think there's there's good behind it. But there's I think that I don't really think anybody should be vegan I think we should be against animal cruelty but not vegan so that's my stance of veganism.

01:42:11.78

christophknoll

I think what gets what gets me to is that um in an order even if you don't look at you'd like macros or micros or anything like that and literally go purely off of fulfilling your hunger levels. It takes so much more food. Like Paul mentioned earlier the amount of like protein and peas compared to protein and chicken like it takes so much more food to consume or it takes so much more food to fulfill your like just your body's needs like to feel good and feel like you have satisfied your hunger. And that take like you're you have to consume so many more resources to do so but not just that time it takes time to eat and people who you know are driven and motivated like Paul and I were in the gym and we have some pretty high. Fitness goals but we also work jobs we have personal lives. There's everything else on top of it and so with a vegan diet in order to fulfill your hunger needs. You have to spend more time eating and don't go wrong I love eating and i.

01:43:08.13

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:43:22.42

christophknoll

You know I eat 6 meals a day. So I'm eating a lot as is but you have to eat so much in order to actually get and you're probably bloating a lot too weak. Ah I mean obviously if you if you made yourself actually feel that you satisfied your hunger that we talk about them.

01:43:24.24

Paul Garny

Is.

01:43:37.73

Paul Garny

Right.

01:43:40.76

christophknoll

A lot of vegans looking skinny and that's because those people generally are not eating to the amount that they should be in order to satisfy their stomachs and their hunger. Um, which is why they look the way they do and I guess building off of that very point.

01:43:49.20

Paul Garny

A.

01:43:59.33

christophknoll

Doesn't even have to be a bodybuilder give me a person like myself or someone else in the Lifestyle fitness side of things who takes care of themselves and works out routinely and put them up against a vegan just looking at the two I know what body shape I prefer I prefer someone on who can.

01:44:14.30

Paul Garny

A.

01:44:17.97

christophknoll

You know, maintain a good level of physique and it's just not obviously there's outliers. There are. There's always going to be outliers to everything we talk about so there's I like the elite of the elite in athletics some of them are vegans and that works for them good for them. But it doesn't. And as a general point it doesn't you won't see the same amount of gains whether that's physical gains or even just personal gains when you have that particular diet. Um like the the best example I can think of is venus or sorry Serena Williams is um. Ah, vegan and she's the greatest tennis player to have ever touched a tennis racket and that's a 1 particular outlier I can state far more people who have achieved the heightened of like the heightened goals of their respective branches. Um, by eating non-vegan diets and that itself should be kind of a factor that you look into when you're contemplating diets because there's far more people involved in success with. You know, paleo diets but also just a regular diet where you focus on hitting your macros. Um you. There's far more success within there and I think that's also where I push back on it because I know that if I was doing the workout regime that I am now and I was trying to.

01:45:51.35

christophknoll

Supplement that with a vegan diet I would not be able to have the sustained longevity that I have like I'm in the gym 2 3 hours a day and it takes a lot to be able to stay in the gym that long and.

01:46:05.30

Paul Garny

Um.

01:46:06.47

christophknoll

You you just need to have energy level like I'm able to do that eating 1 really decent sized meal prior to going to the gym and that gives me enough energy to get through all of it I don't I can't even fathom what that meal would look like if I was on a vegan diet like just the. Sheer size of what that meal would look like like I would be eating a whole I have a whole bag of pistachios I bet you I would have to eat the whole thing just to get you know the same kind of energy levels and that's force. That's that's more force feeding than I already do.

01:46:24.42

Paul Garny

A.

01:46:39.57

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, um to actually add to what you were saying you said something about um, you know Illy athletes that are vegans and there actually is one that completely reminded me so he was in one of the generation iron documentaries which are actually phenomenal. You guys.

01:46:40.90

christophknoll

So that's also where I push back on the vegan diet.

01:46:56.21

Paul Garny

If you haven't seen him watch him even if you're not interested in bodybuiling it kind of gives you more of like a background into why people do bodybuilding but it's um, Barinder Singguman who's a indian bodybuilder he was vegetarian. Um, and when he he was in one of those documentaries and they kind of followed him around here and there and. You look at like his competitive standing in the um in the competitions he would compete in and he looked great for vegetarian obviously Greatined. He's probably on a shit ton of gear. Um, but ah yeah, he let me see bovine yeah, he which is yeah okay so he um, competed. I think it was professionally I think I want to say he was ah professional ibb pro I could be completely wrong, but he definitely competed on a pretty high level. He competed in the ar classic amateur um in 2010 so he he was ah he's pretty up there but he got. Pretty much most of the competitions he was in he got absolutely decimated because he couldn't get to this. He couldn't get to the required look or conditioning that he needed to on a vegetarian diet and I mean it was a miracle in itself that he got to the size that he did as a vegetarian because. Ah, you just the amount of protein and overall food that you need to get to that size I mean he's a pretty big dude like it's not like he was a tinyasss dude like he probably competed in like maybe middle weight men's open. He wasn't super heavy and mean he's one hundred and thirty K G um

01:48:29.56

Paul Garny

At six foot 4 so 130 k g comes out to two hundred and eighty six pounds um yeah so he two hundred and eighty six pounds in the off season. So on stage. Yeah, that's a fucking miracle. That's insane.

01:48:32.53

christophknoll

It's about two hundred and forty pounds to oh I was off you got you got to 88 on a vegan diet god bless homeie home homie's got genetics.

01:48:47.60

Paul Garny

He's got he's eaten like a dozen eggs with every single meal I'm sure. Um, so yeah, that well that's vegetarian. He's vegetarian not vegan. Yeah, so um, yeah, he's just he's just kind of the outlier when it comes to.

01:48:49.90

christophknoll

Well, that's not vegan. Oh oh okay, my bologies.

01:49:02.71

Paul Garny

Vegetarian vegans and there's almost none when it comes to bodybuilding because you just can't have the proper protein intake that you can get I mean you can live I mean v vegans and vegetarians and all that will have grains and stuff like that so they can have plenty of carbs plenty of rice plenty of ah bread stuff like that but they can't have. Steaks or chicken or anything like that. That's full of protein and healthy fats. Ah, but what I was going to say earlier was the guy and his wife who ate nothing but fruit are raw food vegans which they only eat foods that are either raw or cooked at temperatures below one hundred and eighty °F for those that are international. That's °c so pretty low temperatures and even then I don't even know if you can really cook anything at that level or at that temperature anything under 118 I'm not sure. There's anything you can cook. There's things you I mean you can dethaw things but that's about it. But. Um, there's different types of vegans I wanted to mention here real quick and there's dietary vegans which just focus on just the food itself which is not good but they wear plenty of clothing cosmetics stuff like that that have you know animal pry products. There's whole food vegans. Um. Focus on whole foods like fruits vegetables, whole grains, legumes nuts and seeds. So that's probably like the average vegan. It's probably whole food vegans. There's junk food vegans which are like fake vegans in a sense because they have like.

01:50:27.37

Paul Garny

Vegan meats vegan fri like fries, frozen dinners, desserts and stuff like that non-dairy ice cream oro oreos stuff like that. So not only are they not having the proper protein intake. They're also having all this super super process bullshit that you shouldn't be having in the first place like vegan meats. Like this like impossible meat trend right? Now. It's so bad for you like it's so insanely processed food. You should not touch it with a ten foot pole I remember I had back of the day like years ago when burger King came out with like the vegan burger. Whatever like the impossible whopper. Whatever was called I tried it and. I mean it was different. It wasn't like the same thing and it didn't taste bad. It tasted fine but like that's the only time I ever had vegan meat because the more I looked into it the more I was like holy shit this is bad for you like it's so bad for you. Um, and then to top it off not just raw food vegans but there's also low-fat raw food vegans. Um, which are called fruitarians. Um, so they mainly have nuts, avocados and coconuts. Um, instead of relying relying mainly on fruit. Um, and they have the occasional small amounts of like plants but they mainly have nuts, avocados and coconuts. That sounds like actual fucking torture like I feel like if I were to go to hell satan would be like yeah you're on a low fat raw food vegan diet like that sounds like actual fucking torture to me. Ah so never in 1000000 years would I ever do something like that and I think that if you do something like that I think that at the end of the day.

01:51:45.59

christophknoll

First.

01:52:01.27

Paul Garny

I Think that um, you're probably there's something mental going on if you're a low fat raw food Vegan Raw food vegans in general are ridiculous, but low low fat raw food de vegans That's ah, that's ridiculous. Um, but.

01:52:08.45

christophknoll

Um, so.

01:52:18.49

Paul Garny

This article healthline.com states that whole food Vegan diets tend to offer excellent health benefits If you're trying to do a vegan diet ah do a whole food vegan diet which is the whole foods like fruits vegetables whole grains. Ah legumes, nuts and Seeds. Um. So I mean dietary Vegans I think are probably like the the most relaxed and I think that if you're going to become a vegan I think dietary vegans are the way to go because you can have like clothes and stuff like that but Hofu vegans I guess just focus on more organic whole enriched foods. Um, but either way. Those the different types of vegan. So. There's not like just one type of vegan because I mean people typically have associate vegans with just vegans in general. But there's there's more than just one type of vegan and it's some of them are just so fucking dangerous like. You can probably die from the shit if you're not if you're not smart with it and if you don't take the right supplements and stuff like you're going to take years off your life If. You're not Smart. So definitely have a dietitian work with you on this.

01:53:20.39

christophknoll

Well I think another problem behind it is that humans by nature are are progressive and in their thinking like obviously we have our 2 like we have different sides of the coins when it comes to um, ah. Thinking and mindsets and whatnot but generally speaking humans are never satisfied and we continue to look for new options and new alternatives. Otherwise we would remain stagnant and we would have we would have been in that Paleliolithic Era and we would have had long-term studies. Um, but but.

01:53:43.55

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:53:50.62

Paul Garny

Yeah, or yeah, that's just life.

01:53:56.20

christophknoll

Yeah, but my my problem with it is that there's going to become a point where vegan culture has progressed to the point where because right now it's animals and eventually someone's going to be like does a plant have a soul.

01:54:07.26

Paul Garny

In. Oh yeah.

01:54:13.55

christophknoll

And then it's going to turn into I can't eat and therefore I should not exist and I am fearful of that because people are fucking stupid I will be right out there like it is what it is but people are very impressionable, Very gullible.

01:54:31.60

Paul Garny

Google.

01:54:33.10

christophknoll

And eventually someone is going to say I should not exist because everything should be you know alive around me and therefore I should not eat even the grass on the ground should I shouldn't eat it and my worry is that that takes off because vegan. And it's like the vegan diet and the vegan culture. It was not a big thing when it started and it blew up and now it's this big mainstream thing so eventually humankind is going to use that progressive mindnd of that of theirs and continue thinking of new alternatives and new other ways and that terrifies me somewhat.

01:55:07.50

Paul Garny

The.

01:55:11.34

christophknoll

The day someone tells me that I shouldn't be eating anything because I'm harming anything around me I I am very fearful of that day I already don't like vegan culture and how they come after you know, especially with how much meat you know Paul and I consume on by ourselves like. I don't like how we are you know, kind of you know, put in a corner and isolated because of that. But um I am fearful that it's going to continue and get worse and worse and worse.

01:55:42.35

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, it's potential there's potential and I think that that goes for everything. There's goingnna be There's going to be people who who really want to push it and really ah you know change the the and the community I should say it's just like um. Like bodybuilding. There's plenty of ah people who want to push bodybuilding in a direction that it shouldn't be going and I think there's a lot of the bros science kind of bullshit that a lot of people kind of push right now and like ah there's a whole joke. All these jokes about different drugs. You should be taking and stuff like that and I think that. There there is a point where you step so far. Forward. You take a step back instead. Um, and it's not a good thing when that happens. Ah and I think that like I said that goes for pretty much any community and ah food I'm glad that veganism has become kind of a joke because. The people within it because it should not be something that's promoted That's why you know I mean nobody talks about vegetarians. Nobody talks about pescatarians. Most people don't even know what a pescatarian is and I think that's the best way of having any sort of diet I don't think that any diet should be a fad I think that every diet should have science backing it. 1 thing we didn't mention today that i. Completely forgot to mention was intermittent fasting intermittent fasting is kind of one of those things and it became a fad for a while and a lot of people were following it because it helped them lose weight but intermittent fasting all it is so tip.

01:57:05.90

Paul Garny

For those that don't know it's um, basically the idea behind it is that you only have a small window to eat food and outside of that you don't eat food. All you do is drink water so the typical intermittent fasting is you find an 8 hour period window that you eat your food for the day for the full twenty four hours and then the rest of the 16 hours you don't eat anything so for a lot of people that's like noon to like eight zero Pm or something and then from Eight Zero p M until noon the next day they don't eat anything besides just drinking water maybe black coffee and that's also fad too because all you're doing is you're shrinking the amount of time you have to eat food so you naturally just don't eat the same amount of food. Because you don't have as much time to eat it. So you're going to lose weight of course because you're going to be fasting for 16 hours a day which you're not supposed to do. You're not supposed to fast. We're not it's not human it's not human to fast only when you sleep we should be eating between waking up and going to bed. That's when we should be eating. When we need the energy and intermittent fasting kind of fights that and I think that these fad diets they kind of come and go. You know there's there's going to be fad diets the rest of our lives. They're gonna pop up that people are goingnna do it. Someone's going to get hurt then it's goingnna go away and intermittent fasting was like that mid 2010 s is where. Really intermit intermittent fasting got huge and it's kind of gone away. So I think that these fad diets you know diets should never be a fad anything involving exercise and stuff like that should never be a fad we will progressively will slowly progress within food and in in exercise and overall human wellbeing will progress in it. The.

01:58:39.60

Paul Garny

In the speed that we need to I think naturally we will do that we will progress. But I think that if there's some new revolutionary idea that comes out most likely. It's kind of bullshit and we should not take it to a science and I think that if we rely on science rely on these studies and rely on dieticians and the science behind it. Ah. Involving statistics especially we can start to understand the human body more and in what we need and also at the same time like we always say every single session listen to your body listen to how your body responds to these different diets listen to how your body responds to different exercises. You're doing and ah. You know adapt accordingly. So with that being said I mean I think that we kind of did do do good coverage of every single diet. We. We talked about today and take everything we say more as opinion than as fact um, you know obviously we talk about studies but we didn't do these studies ourselves. So this is our interpretation of these studies. This is our interpretation of these diets. This is what we've understood as the information provided by these diets by the people who studied them by the people who talk about them. So um, you know don't take it as you know, ah, as a fact, just take it as our understanding of the facts. So listen to your body listen to those who promote it and those who do know what they're talking about when it comes to these ah truth studies if they have run the studies and live a healthy life and enjoy your enjoy your life in general.

02:00:04.32

christophknoll

Paul Do you think Oxygen has feelings because I don't want to consume Oxygen if it has feelings The wind has a face.

02:00:09.43

Paul Garny

Oh no, that's not vegan. That's not the Oxygen's not vegan the Earth has a soul I cannot step on it anymore.

02:00:23.58

christophknoll

Ah, Christ well with all that guys. We'll be seeing y'all next week bye everybody

02:00:26.37

Paul Garny

See you guys.


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