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HGH #25 - Updates & Arnold Classic Results Review Blog 2



01:00:01.60

christophknoll

Ah, but about his his socials will have it.

01:00:06.95

Paul

Perhaps let me see if I can find it.

01:00:18.55

Paul

I Have to look it up on my computer um is this it right here.

01:00:23.55

christophknoll

I Got his routine right here. Ah.

01:00:26.51

Paul

So I see on that Europa pro are let me log in here.

01:00:30.10

christophknoll

Here I'll send it to you I got is I just said to you on Instagram. Okay, he's got he's got pretty decent front is his front is pretty decent.

01:00:45.10

Paul

My I'm trying to log in here one second.

01:00:59.95

christophknoll

See because of the tanning on him. You can tell that he's like so much whiter than he is in that particular picture or like because of the tanning and everything like he would be a lot ah a lot whiter.

01:01:12.64

Paul

Yeah me said I'm watching it right now I like Mike Summerfield's overall look I think he looks great. He's got the classic look. He just needs a bit more size. Yeah, he came in he came in decent I think I mean.

01:01:22.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:01:32.42

Paul

He came in all right a little washed out and in some places but um I think overall he looked really really good. Um, so I think just that pose itself wasn't the best written. Yeah um, his legs were really peeled.

01:01:44.61

christophknoll

Not doing him justice.

01:01:52.10

Paul

And that video that you sent. Um I just think his his upper body is kind of where he holds a lot of water. So if he held if he had any water in his system. It's in his upper body. Um, but yeah, so that's that's the classic I think.

01:02:07.98

Paul

I don't know I just my my biggest problem and always has been. It's just I just don't like Ramon's vacuum I just don't think that he really nails it that well um, but that's just my own preference I think or is I way prefer ers is posing and that's why I'm partial to hers because to me.

01:02:14.31

christophknoll

Oh.

01:02:26.51

Paul

Posing is everything well not everything. It's a very big portion of it. But the problem that I have with us is literally just his his arm size and his midsection just looked washed out if he got those in in point on point like especially his midsection. You can get away with smaller arms. But if you had his midsection on point then. I would have given it to him but then seeing Ramon's midsection which is like absolutely fucking dialed in it was crazy. So I think that not ours removed.

01:02:55.38

christophknoll

Well I'm ah I'm really interested in the fact that ah that Terrence Roughened and come back I'm reading into that right now and it's it's like almost like a very responsible thing of him to be doing because.

01:03:05.85

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:03:13.23

christophknoll

You know how much you would want to go and 3 repeat the arnold classic but it's for him to take the step aside and say I have to do this better to come back at the o next year even better like that's such a not many people I think would have that maturity when you're on this this you know the 2 time.

01:03:23.92

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:03:33.15

christophknoll

Streak that he was on for the arnold like I don't know I I kind of give him a lot of respect for it.

01:03:33.89

Paul

Ah, yeah I yeah I mean it's a pretty common thing honestly within bodybuilding is to take a year off um recon grimes did that he took off last year's Olympia um to come in better for for 2023? Um, for the olympia I think you might need to earn it now I think you might need to do shows to get to the olympia but he needed to put out a wadt size. No, he won't he really won't but it's it's a pretty common thing for the most part to take 1 year off to come in better. Um I think he came in really really good for last year's Arnold and then he kind of just fell short for the olympia and it was kind of a reality check.

01:03:58.47

christophknoll

Um, he won't have any problem.

01:04:12.56

Paul

Like fuck The competition's really stepping up now especially with Cbum so in order for him to really compete with cbom now he needs to he needs to take it to the next level which I think was smart to take off time from the arnold. Especially after the olympia. Um, so it's.

01:04:16.67

christophknoll

Yep.

01:04:24.96

christophknoll

So here's here's one where I want to pick your brain a little bit considering your your knowledge of the the sport as a whole. So the the winner of the O I know generally doesn't compete in the in the arnold I mean.

01:04:30.12

Paul

Yeah, um.

01:04:43.24

christophknoll

That I say that generally because in the in the in the p side words and the men's physique. Um Aaron Banks won I mean he he did back to back here. He took the olympia and the arnold. Um well I'm sorry last year

01:04:51.74

Paul

Um, yeah, um, yeah, yeah.

01:05:01.66

christophknoll

But um, but my question is like with your understanding of the sport. Why wouldn't C bum want to come in and just clean house because we know he does his offloading after the O and he trains almost specifically for the o.

01:05:19.40

Paul

Are.

01:05:21.22

christophknoll

But what if he because I have no doubt that he could take that month off because the o's in what mid-january um, but actually no sorry end of December um, so end of December take a month off come back shred February and March and just come in and.

01:05:33.26

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

01:05:41.17

christophknoll

I Mean it's it's sea bum. We know how he stacks up with this particular group of guys. So my question for you is why in your understanding, Why wouldn't he want to add some more titles to his resume.

01:05:57.48

Paul

Um I think for me, it just comes down to um, he doesn't need to anymore like he's he's at such a high level now that he could have focused on the best. Biggest and best show of every year and because what's the Arnold's going to do is it's going to pull you pull your physique a little bit away from the olympia. Um, and it's good for guys who have the plan already to compete the olympia sorry not the Olympia the Arnold.

01:06:33.70

Paul

When they're when they're doing the olympia and they already plan on competing at the arnold because they can rebound ah put on maybe a tad bitt of size and then get cut again for the arnold not too long after the olympia is a couple months but when you're when you're at such a high level with Seebum like he's so far ahead. Because he was able to focus all year on one particular show and like yeah it's it's look at it this way. So like.

01:06:57.67

christophknoll

Ah, yep.

01:07:02.83

Paul

Would you rather go seventy thirty 70% effort going into the olympia and 30% going into the arnold or would you rather go 100% in the olympia and just knock a pee at the Arnold when you're at such a high level that you can literally be the best of the best every year like the olympia is like you're number 1 in the entire world like Chris Momstead was

01:07:11.50

christophknoll

That is true.

01:07:22.32

Paul

Classism champion the entire world by winning the olympia the arnold issues a high level ah shell Really, it's It's not to level the olympia I think eventually the arnold will take over the olympia. Yeah I think it'll take over. But for now the olympia is the best of the best It's like saying.

01:07:32.70

christophknoll

I was going to say we've talked about this before.

01:07:41.40

Paul

Like competing in the bostons marathon versus competing in like the olympics for a marathon you know if they had a marathon or something like that's that's what I would compare it to like even though the boss Marathon is a huge huge marathon. They the people who compete in the Bostonss marathon.

01:07:45.48

christophknoll

No.

01:08:00.64

Paul

They train for the bostons marathon. The people who compete at the olympia the olympics train just for the olympics and even then for years is to them a lot of the time. Not enough time they want more time to train for it but they can't so they can't really train for the bostons marathon because they're getting ready for the olympics. It's just.

01:08:06.26

christophknoll

That's true.

01:08:19.10

Paul

It's just the the level of competition that you're at it's um I think that just taking the time to focus on the olympias is why he does it and he's able to right now I think like just now or recently he's just now starting like his bulk like he's really starting his off season right now to put on some side.

01:08:35.64

christophknoll

From yeah.

01:08:38.51

Paul

And then he has plenty of time to start cutting where but like this entire time. He's probably been pct and taking time off that his body needs from getting so peeled for the for the olympia. Um that like he couldn't have done that with the Arnold. So his body wouldn't have gotten the rest that it that it needs if he was going to be arnold but with guys like Ramon and ers who were like let's just be honest, they were absolutely fucking stomped on by c bomb a use the arnold to.

01:08:59.12

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:09:07.00

christophknoll

Yeah, it goes.

01:09:13.14

Paul

Build a bigger name and then at the same time. They also use it for money too like 60 grand will pay for your off season easily like oh I'm sure I'm sure I just think that they we like.

01:09:18.60

christophknoll

Well I think I think both of them have their sponsorships covered too.

01:09:30.86

Paul

There's a lot of psychology that goes behind it and I think a lot of the time it comes under the coach's decision. Whether or not they're going to compete at the olympia and if it's going to pull too much away from sorry the arnold and if it's going to pull too much away from the olympia I think Seabum's at a place where he's like I don't want to compete at the arnold anymore I Just want to focus the olympia only the biggest older year.

01:09:38.84

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:09:49.49

Paul

But then like coaches of Ramon and ers are like you know let's do like Chris Acio is Ramon's coach Chris Acio has had hit 1 of his biggest clients was with Ronnie Coleman he knows what the fuck he's doing so if he thinks that is beneficial for ramon to hit the arnold then they're going to hit the Arnold. So I think it just it comes down to. Unk like ah roi basically I think that I think that for Ramon and ers. They're benefiting by competing in the arnold where cbum would and it would pull away from his art from his olympia presence and his olympia stage essentially physique he just doesn't need it anymore. I think.

01:10:23.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:10:25.78

Paul

Um, down to so obviously everybody's a little bit different. Um and I think like at the same time. Um, what division you're competing in also plays a role to like it's easier in a sense to compete in Men'sys Olympia and then the arnold versus like. Men's open in the olympia than the arnold because with the with men's open. You're you're pushing a lot more weight you have to lose a lot more weight like there's a lot more weight involved and a lot more and less food involved or with the men's physique. You can stay. Pretty lean year-round like a lot of men's physi competitors are pretty lean year-round because you don't need too much size so you can have a pretty lean bulk throughout the year and then just start cutting like twelve weeks out from a show and be fine and then you know wait, you know, go through maybe slight rebound. And then do another four week or six week cut going into the arnold but they're already at a pretty pretty lean stage as it is going into prep for for the Arnold. So. It's not as difficult to maintain a lean look in men's physique but like when you're pushing higher weight like the arnold and men's open. It is much more difficult. To ah maintain that look so there is that also to take take into account too. I'm surprised that Brenon Hendrickxson didn't compete in men's z garrnold this year that was kind of surprising to me I I thought I was goingnna see him up there but we didn't end up seeing him. But yeah.

01:11:55.55

christophknoll

Down.

01:11:58.24

Paul

So that's my opinion. Obviously I'm not expert I just from that's just from my understanding of it where it stands like where why they do the olympia and the arnold versus why they only do the olymp olympia some dudes just do the arnold I think you know. They they aren't quite at the level of the olympia but they can compet at the arnold pretty well. Um, and then you need to take time off you know Terrence is taking time off now to focus in the olympia and I think that he needs it. You know if he took if he did the arnold it would take away from his overall look for the olympia so he needs to focus on the Olympia. So. It just depends on what you need really.

01:12:35.80

christophknoll

Yeah, and that's totally understandable. Ah now do we go into men's open.

01:12:38.84

Paul

But yeah, yeah, so you know it's messed up I was not impressed by really anybody for men's open. Um I what I was looking at the results. Um, for men's open and. I I don't know I just wasn't wowed I mean I think Nick came in really lean I think he he had a phenomenal look. Um, let me look up the results right now. Real quick. Um, yeah I know he did I just want to see the photos.

01:13:11.50

christophknoll

Sampson took first.

01:13:15.49

Paul

Okay, there we go so I don't like anyone's look up there at all like that's my thing is like there isn't a single guy up there I'd be like yeah I'd love to look like that. Um I think Nick I mean looking at big romney next to nick doing the side chest right there in that final pose is fucking.

01:13:24.14

christophknoll

F.

01:13:35.60

Paul

Absurd because you see how big nick looks to everybody else, but you see how big rami big big Rami looks next to Nick it's fuck ludicrous. Um, but I I don't know I'm not a fan at all of Samson's look that's just me personally I respect the hell out of it.

01:13:40.50

christophknoll

And yep, absurd.

01:13:54.67

Paul

Um, I'm just not the biggest fan of it I Just think that a lot of these guys waste is very very wide. Um and it just pulls away from the aesthetics like this was just a size show I think I think it came down to size and also trying to probably.

01:14:08.74

christophknoll

And we've talked about how that's basically what men's open is pushing towards who like the the absolute beasts.

01:14:17.21

Paul

Well, it was for the olympia. It was for a while just whoever was the biggest but last year with Derek taking second place that really said a lot about where the division's going. Um.

01:14:32.66

Paul

Which I'm really excited about for the olympia this year to see where Derek places because um, um oh my gosh. Why am I drawing a blink who who won first in the olympia I'm drawing a blink right now? Why? Yeah 2022

01:14:45.40

christophknoll

For this year's Olympia.

01:14:51.31

Paul

Um, yeah, ah hot had choopin Hadie choopin. Yeah I knew start with an age and it's sound of like honey but it's not Honey Rambod It's Hotie choupin. So yeah, so I.

01:14:54.50

christophknoll

It was it was honey honey. Ah no, no hot. He's a coach um Hotie there. We go? yeah.

01:15:02.60

christophknoll

But he's he's coached by haney-ramppa.

01:15:11.10

Paul

I get why hadie won but Derek get in second I think he should have won I just think that Hadie deserved it after all of the effort he's put in but Derek was a good sign of that for the arnold I don't like any of this It's just all about who is the biggest none of it's who looks the best. Um. No I didn't really like like I said I don't really like the look of any of them I mean Andrew jacked was fucking absurd up there? Um, which is chenidu Andrew um, so he got third I think he looked crazy Sean Claririta I think is hard for him to compete in men's open because of how small he is but that's just that's why he's called the the monster killer whatever it's called whatever his thing is monster beat destroyer or whatever because he is so he's like five four whatever it is but he has a really well-defined package. Overall I just think that.

01:15:55.50

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:16:05.32

Paul

The other guys just made him look tiny as shit and I think that's the reason why samsong won he just looks fucking enormous but whoever got let's see if that's second third fourth fifth sixth sixth Akeem Williams he looks fucking massive. He just doesn't have the conditioning. Um, but. What was funny was there's a photo of Nick on stage. Um, and it made his ah legs look so small. It was kind of funny. Um.

01:16:35.52

christophknoll

Well I think what really blows my mind for Nick is that I've seen like you and I send each other you know up like their body build or sorry updates on the different bodybuilders who follow on socials and in the gym Nick Walker looks like a.

01:16:47.30

Paul

Yeah.

01:16:52.87

christophknoll

Freak of nature Absolutely does not make sense and then you stack him up on this stage and it's like my God he's the smallest guy there except for that guy all the way on the right and I'm not talking height I'm talking like size.

01:16:52.96

Paul

Oh yeah.

01:17:02.24

Paul

Yeah, so yeah I think I mean that's just the thing is like these guys on stage are the biggest in the world. So next to each other. They're very comparable. You put any of them in any gym.

01:17:13.46

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:17:19.48

Paul

They're going to dwarf every single guy in there I don't give a fuck who's in the gym you put you put Nick in any gym. He's bigger than every other dude no matter how big that dude is so like to say that and then to be like big rammi dwarfs nick is fucking insane and that's why you name big Rami like.

01:17:21.35

christophknoll

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

01:17:37.58

Paul

That is just absurd to be like yeah Nick looks small next to big ramney especially in the side chess photo like Ramney's legs look twice the fucking size knis does I think it also partially comes on a posing I think that Romney's posing is just a little bit better. So it makes his legs look bigger but like Romney's legs in that side chest. Look fucking insane dude I did.

01:17:59.00

christophknoll

Rami's Rami's legs there look that honestly the size of Nick Walker's torso there.

01:18:03.52

Paul

They fucking look huge and I think I don't know if it's like size or if it's because of the pose or combination like like it blows my fucking mind seeing that like I can even.

01:18:18.73

christophknoll

So.

01:18:19.21

Paul

I can't even wrap my it's like it was like seeing Seabomb last year in the Olympia. It's like what the fuck am I looking at like this is ludicrous.

01:18:23.90

christophknoll

So his his leg in that pose is basically the size of of Nick Walker's frame now imagine if you put that leg against your average gym goer. It'd be twice.

01:18:35.69

Paul

Oh yeah, his my front double all his leg. Yeah, it's absurd I want to see I'm going to see big Rami pose like that next see bum I want to see the size difference.

01:18:40.75

christophknoll

Yeah, ah.

01:18:50.28

christophknoll

I'd like to see big rommi come in like this for the oh I feel like you would have done better this year at the o if he comes in like this.

01:18:55.00

Paul

Ah, let me see if I can find like a front double or something. It's all just a side chest. Um there we go. Okay, yeah I mean I don't think he came in super super peeled. Um. Looking at the front double right now between all of them I think big Romney's midsection I think he just the way he was posing. He stretched it out I didn't look that good I just really don't like Samson's look at all it just it's his midsection that ruins it for me. That's just me personally.

01:19:27.12

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

01:19:28.84

Paul

Um, I like how we did a vacuum but it just I don't know I Yeah, it's hard his yeah right I think looking at the front double.

01:19:30.69

christophknoll

Or least attempted vacuum when you're that big your vacuum just can't do what you are and like Ben's physique or classic physique.

01:19:45.54

Paul

I see why he won his waist is small right? where his posing trunks are next waist is pretty pretty straight up to his latin insertions but like Samson's got more of that v kind of going on I think personally out of all 5 physiques out of the top 5 I think I would have. If I had to pick one I think I like Andrew Jacks the most Andrew jacked the most um, that's just me personally I think that I like his physique the best but um, it's not.

01:20:14.48

christophknoll

I think proportionally and V to like the the waste wise I agree with you on that just and I think his height also plays into that just because he's I don't know.

01:20:21.13

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:20:28.10

Paul

Ah I just think he looks the most acsthetic like to me personally the the rest of them just looks like freaks but like the hell was that was my keys. Um I just think that the rest of them just don't have a very very good look. That's just my opinion. Um. <unk>s I mean that's we've said this with the olympia too like these are all just our opinion and we're not experts anyway, yeah and exactly right right is just samson came in and the judges felt that he was the best bodybuilder that day he was just the best on stage that day.

01:20:49.23

christophknoll

Well, the whole the whole sport is opinionated what these guys won on this day the next day could be. It could be completely different.

01:21:05.13

Paul

Um, but yeah, so I think that I see why everybody placed the way they did I think if Romney came in a bit more appealed. He pulled a romney again like you look crazy for six weeks out whatever the hell it was like in that in one of his poses I think was a back pose. He looked fucking crazy. But then like on stage he just kind of looks washed out and that's just such a raw me move um to.

01:21:27.28

christophknoll

I Think he looks better than he did at the O though.

01:21:33.26

Paul

Yeah I'd have to look at the O again. Um, let me see if I can look at the O you see here where are you I'm gonna look it up here.

01:21:49.28

Paul

Um, I think the lighting is better at the o like that also plays it plays a role here. Um like looking at the front double versus. Yeah I think the lighting looks better at the at the Olympia. Um I would like looking at his conditioning I think Rami came in better at the o than he did at the Arnold. Um, but I think it also the lighting plays a role. The tanning looks way harsher at the arnold like it looks like ah it's a lot more flat. Or that's tanning at the Olympud just looks higher quality. Um, so that plays a role too. But I think overall I think he came in good at both I just think that he could come in better? Um, but I've never really been the biggest fan of his physique. He just never comes in that peeled. Um.

01:22:28.20

christophknoll

No.

01:22:44.89

Paul

He just comes in huge and that's why he's big rommi. But yeah I mean I don't know let me see if I can find the results sheet. Okay so Ed Andrew Jack got best poser and then Nick Walker

01:22:54.67

christophknoll

It's all the way at the bottom of the page.

01:23:01.47

Paul

So ed corny best poser award goes to Andrew Jack franco colombo most muscular award goes to Nick Walker so he had the best nick he had the best on most muscular. Let's see well this um classic let me see me see what to findd it.

01:23:17.32

christophknoll

Also what I find interesting is that the men's open didn't they had the unanimous first. But after that there's no other unanimous is.

01:23:19.20

Paul

Um.

01:23:28.75

Paul

On a classic. Okay here we go got it got got it? Okay, yes, he so ends open. Yeah I got it here. So men's open is is a much bigger um event because they got the prejudging on Friday than then the finals on saturday.

01:23:31.97

christophknoll

You got the scorecard.

01:23:44.24

Paul

That's why there's 2 There's judging and there's finals because you can come in better or worse for each one. Um, so it's I give props and men's open because that is so much harder to come in two days than it is to come in just one day. So if they came in one day.

01:23:56.48

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:24:01.89

Paul

Then it what it looks like it would have been the same results from what I can tell but they would have scored a little bit differently like William Bownak would have gotten a worse score um, Nick watertakeer would have gotten a worse score. Um. Me see and then other guys would have gotten better Sean Clerita would have been better better. Score. So if you have a higher or lower finals that'll kind of tell you how they came in so like big rommi came in better at the finals than he did at the judging one you know he he scored 1 less point at finals. So he looked better than he did at prejudging. Um, but yeah, so it was unanimous for Samson um almost unanimous for Nick and then almost unanimous for Andrew jacked so top 3 were almost unanimous. Let me see fourth yeah almost unanimous. for fourth fifth almost unanimous so almost all them were. Pretty much on point with unanimous. Um, yeah so I mean I get the placement for everybody I just wasn't super super impressed with anybody really in particular there wasn't anybody that blew my mind when I saw him? Um, so it's just but that's just. Personally where I stand I don't know I I just feel like men's um's physique men's open just kind of fallen off over the years personally the quality is just not there anymore.

01:25:19.22

christophknoll

Well so.

01:25:26.26

christophknoll

The way that I look at it and like I've I grew I grew up not watching the sport and you know my entrance was just the you know flashbacks of the legends from before my time. But. I'm thinking in you know, Jay Cutler Ronnie Coleman even going back to like Phil Heath or you know older guys. The dominant winners had like a specialty pose. You know what I mean and like there is 1 thing that they just crushed better than anybody like when Ronnie did his front double. Or his back. Ah like sorry I'm thinking ah the back double like either of those 2 you knew he was cleaning house when Jay Cutler did the quad stomp he was cleaning house with these guys I don't see a signature like that's that's my thing like maybe.

01:26:09.53

Paul

Um, yeah, we're double.

01:26:16.57

Paul

Um.

01:26:22.12

christophknoll

I'm thinking of the legends and that's why I'm not being as partial as I should be but I don't see and you know watching their routines I don't see the the signature move if that if that makes sense.

01:26:23.50

Paul

Can go.

01:26:35.80

Paul

Um, yeah I think like there is there's always 1 pose that kind of sets them apart Phil Heaths like most muscular is fucking insane. Um, yeah Phil hes triceps pretty crazy. Um, nobody can ever be.

01:26:40.91

christophknoll

Or even Phil Heeds tricept

01:26:50.67

Paul

Hadi Cheins tries are not Heidi Choopin fucking oh my gosh not howi choopin I um, oh I can texture him into my mind. Um, let me look up the olympia Twenty Sixteen Olympia fucking I I think he competed at the 2016 and other years um I don't know I got to look it up. There's 1 guy. They've actually no no mine. Um I'm drawing a blank on his fucking name but there's 1 guy whose triceps are just fucking next level who competes that at a high level. Um, yeah, ah Phil hes most mus most muscular um was pretty was pretty insane. Um, and then Ronnie Coleman's rear double is pretty crazy like you said.

01:27:44.36

christophknoll

Front double to I mean anything with his arms was just next level.

01:27:45.89

Paul

Ja Cutler's quad stop yeah ronios was pretty crazy. Overall um, you see if I can find yeah Dexter Tras during needs during Ace who just a mass monster. There was nothing. He couldn't beat. Um.

01:28:06.35

Paul

Yeah, so Phil Heath dominated for a while he did just 7 I think it's 7 olympias. Um, yeah Phil Heath dominated for a while he he was really really high quality Jay Cutler the problem with Jay color's look um. Which is that he had a very wide look kind of like not really like Nick um, but he had Tonda eyes um, and that's the reason people weren't the biggest fan of his waist with that's the reason why people didn't really give them the um. Title a lot of time. It's just because of his obliques. But I think if you don't take into account as obliques. He's fucking crazy looking um and you got Sean Roden for a year twenty Eighteen recipe Sean Roden um but yeah, so Phil Heath Jay Cutler Bri Coleman dorians and Lee Haney all those guys have crazy poses that kind of um cover a good idea of what their physique looks like and then you got Arnold of course Arnold had the craziest everybody loves Arnold's look overall. Um yeah, and I think.

01:29:12.98

christophknoll

Onold's chest just absurd.

01:29:17.10

Paul

So his chess was next level even today. But it's also as posing too like his side chest was like still to today is just so much better than anybody else's um, nobody can ever nail as good of a side chess poses as arnold can. Um, so I think that that's kind of where he really sets brates himself and he creates that shelf with his chest so he he'll always go down as one of the best chess pose chess posers of all time. Um, but wouldn't be able to compete in today's climate as far as like.

01:29:49.29

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:29:55.80

Paul

Competitors go his likes just wouldn't be able to compete. Yeah, but that's not his fault. It just wasn't the the technology wasn't around at the time and at the same time like.

01:29:57.38

christophknoll

That's always going to say his legs aren't there.

01:30:10.57

Paul

The the knowledge of bodybuilding was nowhere near what it is today I mean even the past ten years ten years ago we knew half what we knew now. So like to to take that into account I mean Arnold has a phenomenal look it just he just wouldn't be able to compete today just a completely different era. But.

01:30:16.97

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:30:28.20

Paul

People argue the golden era the best era ever of competing is like early two thousand s and I would agree I think um I don't think it'll ever get as good as the early two thousand s or it'll take a long time like that's like we're talking like Ronnie Coleman um ah

01:30:47.70

Paul

Why am I fucking drawing I could you ask me any other time. Ah the competitors in like the like let's say like oh 1 Olympia or something and I could give them all to you? Yeah, so like Kevin Levrone there we go Sean Ray

01:30:51.45

christophknoll

Huh.

01:31:03.58

Paul

Chris Cormeer like all these guys are just fucking crazy Dexter Jackson Nasser Ela body he was crazy. Um, you know there's so many different guys who dress Marcus Rule Mass Fucking Monster like all these guys were just crazy back then um, like I love. Kevin Levrone's look I think Kevin Lavrone doesn't get as much credit as he as he should um and then Jay Cutler back in the early two thousand s this is like right after um, during Yates competed too like people would even argue that like the end of the 90 s was even just as good too. Um, because. Arent or Ronnie Coleman said his favorite physique ever was um, fucking why am I drawing a blank. Let me look up like the 9098 or something. Um, Flex Wheeler that's what it was Flex Wheeler was like. Who Ron you think had the best look of all time. Ah so like like the 98 Olympia which is the year I was born um like some of the best competitors ever. Lee Priest is still competing I love lee priest look. He's just fucking crazy looking. Um.

01:32:00.85

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:32:10.40

christophknoll

Ah.

01:32:18.44

Paul

Aaron Baker I mean you got crazy crazy dudes. Um competing in this and Flex Wheeler for the 98 Olympia wasn't too far off. So first place for the 90 Olympia Ronney got 32 points Flex was 35 and then noser out some body got third and he was 60 points. So. Ronnie and Flex are pretty pretty close so when it came to placing. Um, but yeah I love Kevin Levrone's look back in the day. It's just we don't have the same same quality anymore and and even with the today's technology it's just not the same anymore it was it was size but also at the same time. It was also. Conditioning and aesthetics too that was taken into account where like it's really kind of gone in the direction of mass monsters and I'm just not the biggest fan of it. Um, but that's just been's open for you and what's also crazy too that not many people are talking about. They talked about it for like a day. Um, is men's master's men's Olympia which they're gonna be having for 2023 which is a fucking problem that is not going to be good. Um, it's forty years so so masters in

01:33:27.91

christophknoll

Elaborate.

01:33:32.20

Paul

Depending on the division. You're you're talking about or the organization you're talking about for the Ivb at least for the Olympia Masters going to be 40 s Enough. You got all the divisions that you normally would ah men's classic. Men's physique women's fitness women's figure Bikini Physique Wellness. So mainly women's focused. But for men you have yes 40 plus age you can compete for men you can compete in classic Physique or men's physique 45 and up you can compete in men's bodybuilding and 2 12 There's those 2 divisions as Well. So if you're 45 and up.

01:33:49.31

christophknoll

Your's way where we you're you're saying 40 plus as an age. Okay.

01:34:07.46

Paul

You can compete in all of the divisions for men if you're below 45 but above 40 you can compete in classic or men's physique. This is a problem and the reason I say that I get why they're doing is to bring in older bodybuilders to kind of bring some guys back. You know, potentially bring back like some old olympias holder. No.

01:34:22.80

christophknoll

I bet you Cutler does it.

01:34:26.21

Paul

And fuck. No absolutely not. There's no way he's competing um I would love to seem him good compete I just don't think he would um potentially fill heath because he's kind of held onto it potentially kyrene like those are the kind of guys that like they're trying to target I think um, but like it's a problem because. These guys are already like on the older side when it comes to competing like I think Ronnie was like 42 43 when he stopped like when he won his last olympia I think he was like 42 or some shit but like these guys are already on the older side. So to then push all the drugs that they hypothetically are pushing before.

01:34:56.18

christophknoll

E.

01:35:00.74

Paul

Is going to be even more dentrimental to their health than like being 32 and pushing the same drugs. You know so like I think we're probably going to see some deaths when it comes to competing in the master's Olympia I think um, hopefully we don't god forbid. We don't. Are we do I really hope we don't see anybody but I just think that is not gonna be good I think that with the master's olympia these guys are gonna be pushing way too hard and they're just gonna get hurt and this not gonna be fun so we'll we'll see what that entails but its effort.

01:35:35.35

christophknoll

I think if there's someone who has maintained their size while leaning off the drug usage I think that's going to be a good opportunity for them to come back and maybe like 1 year like relive the glory days or something then go.

01:35:38.23

Paul

Here with it.

01:35:54.73

christophknoll

Back to retirement or something like that. So I think some guys might do it like that and then just you know just for the hell of it. Maybe it's I think also the reasoning behind it is to build more advertising towards it because for example, if like let's take Phil Heath for example if you.

01:35:55.22

Paul

Yeah I mean yeah.

01:36:15.58

christophknoll

If you were looking at the lineup and saw that Phil Heath was going to be there and you didn't get a chance to see him back when he was in his heyday competing. You're probably going to that's going to bring in ah, additional revenue just because people want to see you know the classics. So.

01:36:29.28

Paul

Right? Well yeah, yeah, that's why they're doing it I get why they're doing it. But so this is barbe.com they're saying that they think that Phil Heath Jay Cutler and Dexter Jackson who could potentially compete in masters Mr. Olympia because

01:36:32.98

christophknoll

It's all money based.

01:36:47.55

Paul

Dexter Jackson won the 4012 masters when it was the last time they competed or like when the last time they held it the last time they held the master's Olympia was 2012 so people think that Dexter might come back I don't think you will um I really I think if I could put money on anybody competing. That has won the olympia in the past or won the Mr. Masters I would put money on bill heath because he's still fucking crazy looking. Um, after being done for quite a few years like 27 teams the last time he won are competed in the miss Mr. Olympia. Um, and he still looks crazy so Dexter Jackson was born in 60 and 9 so that would make him 54 so he's 53 right now. He'd be 54 turning this year um it's possible. He competes in it but he he competed in twenty Mr. Olympias I mean he really fucking.

01:37:34.30

christophknoll

Yeah, he put his body through it.

01:37:37.18

Paul

He eat for a while? Yeah, yeah, he went as long as he possibly could so I'm not sure if he will but I definitely could see Phil Heath competing I don't know if ky is even old enough. Um, let me see if he is you see 75 yeah, he's 48. He's going to be turning 40 in July so it's very possible Kai could be competing because Kai still looks insane. Um, but I think that what these guys need to do is just send so what they're saying is that they just need to send a letter of intent and they'd probably compete.

01:38:04.19

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:14.86

Paul

And it and I think it's going to take place in Romania I think it's saying.

01:38:17.20

christophknoll

Yeah, there's there's no way. There's a qualification process for for guys that old like I don't think you show up to shows that old.

01:38:26.25

Paul

Um, yeah, so it's going to be so application. Deadline is yeah so you got a application letters may include video not longer than 1 minute in photographs of your actual shape. So. That's how you get in is you have to send. Um. Yeah to send in an application. Basically the deadline is the tenth and the the selected athletes will be published the twenty fourth um when it's happening. Let me see so publish on the twenty fourth um

01:38:59.58

Paul

It'll feature 10 bodybuilding divisions. Okay so it's gonna take place. Ah August Twenty Sixth and Twenty seventh in Romania at the bt arena so who's gonna compete in that no idea but I could see Phil Heath and potentially kyrene so we'll have to we'll have to see how that goes. Okay.

01:39:15.50

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean I think if they handle it in a healthy way like if they say like personally tell themselves like I'm not going to do the amount that I was doing back in my runs like if if they do like.

01:39:29.43

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:39:32.88

christophknoll

Partial cycles or something like that or even try and just bring it in natty like just because they know 100% These guys know that it's not as prestigious of award of an award as competing in the regular open or something like that and I think that if they understand that this is purely from an advertising and revenue. Base thing. They can probably handle it in healthy way. It's the guys who probably haven't turned off the engine that are going to go in and just slam it and then risk you know their health.

01:40:04.39

Paul

Yeah, um, it's gonna be dangerous I Think either way they have masters in pretty much every other competition I don't think the arnold has it but pretty much every other competition usually has a masters of some sort so it's not like this has never been seen before. And they even had it up until 2012 but with drugs nowadays I Just really hope we don't see like a legend get hurt. You know, ah, that's my yeah I mean yeah if that short.

01:40:28.84

christophknoll

Yeah, that'd be awful for them to go out that way I get it if it's what you love like you. Do you go out doing what you love but the same time if you've. Gotten to the O and you've competed for a while and you've finally managed to get yourself to step away and this is what brings you back and this is what takes you down like I think that would be the heartbreaking part.

01:40:54.62

Paul

Yeah I think it it would be kind of sad. Um I don't I don't think it'd be fun to watch that happen and like I mean Sean Rhoden's a good example of that I mean he just it. He just didn't. Like we didn't need to lose them you know and and for what I mean it's just it's just it sucks it sucks to see that happen. Um I don't think anybody should kill themselves over something like this. Um, but that's just my opinion I mean I think that we're not going to see.

01:41:26.77

Paul

We're not going to see ah a lot more of a Nick Walker I don't think I think that he's not going to be around for super long I think especially when he went back to Matt Jansen it's like okay, he just fucking signed his death sentence. Basically um, but I think that with with.

01:41:30.73

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:41:44.40

Paul

Men's masters is's gonna be is gonna be a um, a wild cardd but I mean August will will kind of tell and we're only gonna know the athletes two weeks out from it so we can only ever yeah, we can only ever speculate where with like the arnold and the olympia usually with the arnold we know who's gonna compete by the time the olympia happens.

01:41:54.63

christophknoll

That's wild.

01:42:03.57

Paul

Or maybe just after if they haven't decided yet but the olympia we know way ahead of time exactly who's going to be competing in it. Some people have to earn. Yeah, some people have to earn the points and sometimes we might not know until like maybe August or September maybe October but like most of the competitors will know way ahead of time. So.

01:42:08.10

christophknoll

Yeah, because the qualification process.

01:42:23.10

Paul

Um, yeah, it's just an interesting world that we live in now to think that there's gonna be fucking dudes 50 years old competing on the stage at the Olympia Romania east at least in Romania but I mean I'm glad that it's not like on the same stage as the men's Olympia or the Mr Olympia like the actual o. Um, because I don't want to see anybody try to compare themselves to each other like I don't want to see men's open try to compare themselves to men's master but I don't know we'll see I think that the classic physique I really am interested to see master's classic physique how that would look. I'm really interested in that I think we cut. Yeah, it's because it's what's interesting is that like a lot of what's considered classic physique and like what the classic look is are younger guys right now like seabombs people say like seabum is arguably the first like real classic look.

01:43:02.16

christophknoll

Ah vacuums from some forty fifty year old dudes. Ah.

01:43:11.36

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:43:19.90

Paul

In in comparison to everybody else. So it's like what who's over 40 is going to bring a classic physique look I'm really I'm really interested in that because classic esique has also only really been around since like 14013 and even then it didn't get big until like 20182019 so like

01:43:37.54

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:43:38.47

Paul

Usphysique was basically just guys who weren't big enough to compete men's's men's open and were too big to compete compete in men's physique that's kind of what it was before but then it became its like real own division as b n has gotten so much popularity now that it's like the biggest bit division at this point basically but. Um, I'm really interested to see who can come in with a classic esi over 40 because there there was really no one competing I mean but I mean okay so whoever was competing maybe right at the start of classicph physique at the Olympia or the arnold all that time. Period.

01:43:58.34

christophknoll

You know.

01:44:13.36

Paul

I think they could potentially compete now because if you're 32012 you can compete this year easily in the and you'll be 41 in the 4 potentially but like they were the start of class of physique but they're not what's considered class of physique today.

01:44:23.74

christophknoll

You'd clean house.

01:44:29.93

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:44:32.55

Paul

I'm really interested to see who's going to be competing in that division is going to be. It's gonna be fun I'm excited for it. But I'm also fucking terrified for men's open specifically I Just really hope nobody gets hurt but we'll see only time will tell.

01:44:43.75

christophknoll

I think that's kind of the the agreement you sign when you get into bodybuilding even if you're not pushing it that late like even younger guys like with what you do to your body and even if you not even look at it from an NI.

01:44:48.69

Paul

Um, yeah, um.

01:44:59.97

christophknoll

Like an Anabolic side just purely what you do to yourself diet wise to gain the size and you know work out wise to be able to build the muscle and put on the ah the tone and definition just that alone is not you know, productive to longevity and and.

01:45:13.43

Paul

Um.

01:45:19.73

christophknoll

And Health in the future because like that's why you know men's men's physique. That's like the closest I think we have to the healthy side of things in terms of bodybuilding um outside of the wheelchair division because that's just half your body. Um, but but.

01:45:30.16

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:45:40.46

christophknoll

Inherently what? what is going on in the bodybuilding sport is not not designed for a super long life. So I think it's kind of the card we sign when we decide to go down the paths that we do.

01:45:54.91

Paul

Yeah, um I agree that men's physique is generally safer um than like other divisions just because this simply just the size. Um, we don't necessarily need to like men's physique competitors don't necessarily need to push as hard as. Um, you know men's open or classic zeq or anything like that because you don't need super super weight to compete I mean a lot of these guys competing on the stage are under £200 especially on the order side. They're like like I mean fucking if you're under like 5 eight I'd be surprised if you're over one eighty

01:46:20.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:46:31.59

Paul

On stage. Um, but then again, it's like it's all about proportions and everything. So I mean um, I'm hoping that men's physique doesn't go in the direction of size a lot of the regional shows are kind of doing that. Um some national shows are kind of going the direction of size but it's they got over they keep d eesthetics when it comes to men's physique but when it comes to. Drugs and what they're pushing I mean a lot of guys men's physique really are never going above a gram of anything per week which is good. It's good to see that um where like guys and men's open are pushing multiple grams of shit I mean Nick Walker is on multiple grams of shit. Ah so.

01:47:04.51

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

01:47:08.70

Paul

You know you got to be careful with that I think that if there's any that you're going to if you want to compete in and also stay pretty clean and pretty healthy immense Physique is the way to go because classic you even have to push especially if you don't have the genetics for it. Some guys are just built to have muscle size regardless of drugs but like. Classic A lot of guys have to have to push um a lot of drugs to get to the point where um, they have the size because you needed the size So like men's susika is a good is a good starting point. But then it gets immense Classic. You have to push drugs and. Overall size to get to that level. Um by quite a bit actually um because I mean you can kind of compete in men's physique and classic. But if you really want to do good at Classic. You need next level size in compress men's physique so you got to push the drugs and that's where it gets dangerous as the offsea and drugs because you're gonna be.. You're gonna be messing with your heart. Um, yeah, so that's where at least it stands there which actually on that note real quick. Um I'm on a new compound now I like to add that I like to be transparent about it. Um, new compound now which is Primavoin. So um.

01:48:06.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:48:19.10

christophknoll

Sure.

01:48:25.54

Paul

Like to be you know I want to talk about this on the podcast because I want people to know kind of what it looks like um so test we moved up to we slowly moved up to 250 gram two hundred and fifty Milligrams which is not that much to it I'd be I'd be dead you but you legitimately probably overdose on that. Um.

01:48:38.18

christophknoll

Twad Fifty Grams my god I am a bull.

01:48:45.34

Paul

Like that would be to hit two hundred fifty grams you have to inject legit like fucking 200? No let me like if I were to do it right now with what I have right now. Let me see if I can pull up my calculator fucking not used to mac. Okay. So let's see so if let's say 200 I'd have to do eight hundred milliliters injected that would be like that's like that's literally almost a liter of testosterone like.

01:49:21.19

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:49:24.43

Paul

You were. We're pushing almost a liter that you wouldn't be able to inject that. But if you did you probably overdose? Um, but yeah so two hundred Milligrams you could even you would even die like you couldn't even I mean you inject it. It's that's how you absorb it. But like I don't even know what happened if you drink it I've never I've never looked it up. But.

01:49:26.59

christophknoll

You drank it. But.

01:49:40.22

Paul

Um, two hundred fifty Milligrams a test and then also 300 3 hree hundred milligrams of primobolin um point two five mg of cabragoing and twelve point five milligrams so two point. Ah so point five milligrams of ah caergoline once or weekly and then. twelve point five milligrams aroma sin every other day. Um, so right now where I'm at I have pretty much no side effects which is great I'm responding really well to everything putting on size losing weight actually I'm losing like quite a bit of weight each week um this week. Ah I lost a pound and a half last week I lost I think another pound and a half so I'm losing weight right now putting on size. Um, essentially no side effects and getting stronger and getting leaner and that's what steroids is going to do. Um, that's why we're pushing what my body responds to really really well. Which is dht derivatives. Um, so for me I respond really well to primo. So last time I took prebo was end of 2021 and I went from like one ninety seven I think it was to like 92 and I gained I gained a bit of size and got leaner. So I lost £6 with a span of like I think it was like twelve weeks I think so it was about half a pound a week I was averaging and losing but at the same time I was gaining size and that's kind of where I'm at now I'm losing a lot of weight but I'm gaining a lot of size. Um and everything's kind of filling out right now too which is cool. Um.

01:51:12.97

Paul

Like my like everything looks more full I look more full when I'm training and in my posing and stuff like that versus when I was like on keto and I look flat as fuck. Um all the time I didn't realize how flat I looked until like recently when I started like really pushing the food and. All of that like I'm not even really pushing that much anabolics. Even it's less than is less than half a gram. We're not even at half a gram so I'm really not pushing that much and I'm looking way Fuller than I'm used to which is great. Um, so it's just it's interesting. It's interesting to be going through this cycle right now I love it. I mean it's. Feel so good all the time especially in the gym I mean I'm feeling strong I'm feeling I get crazy pumps right now. Um, increasing the weight every single week for my logbook. So that's at least what I'm going through right now and also like my biggest side effect is gyno. Um, it's the 1 thing that my body does is produces a lot of estrogen but like we're. Perfectly right? where it was and I think I think looking back it wasn't necessarily the estrogen that my body was producing a lot of it was the prolactin which is why I'm taking the cabergoine and by lowering my prolactin I'm getting like no gyno side effects like it's gone. They're all gone. Um, so I think it was a proact and that was kind of making that happen. Um, so that and then also keep my estrogen under control like I have literally like no side effects a little acne here and there I mean a little you know a couple of people see on there which is gonna happen but like nothing real no real side effects right now which is awesome. So yeah, so that's where I'm at at least. Um.

01:52:47.53

Paul

And they I'm pushing like maybe thirty five hundred calories something like that. Maybe a little less um lot of protein I have 3 meals of chicken right now. Um a greek yogurt meal a steak meal and then an egg meal. Um, and then also have rice ezekiel bread. Um. Grits and sweet potato for my carbs and then obviously vegetables throughout the day greens random greens here and there so that's where I'm at at least in my program right now and we'll see what the future entails I mean I'm really gonna coaches like you're really gonna start seeing changes for the next like three or four months and then from there I'll be pretty up. Ah should be in a pretty lean so lean place and then I should be able to start prepping for a show at that point. So I'm looking at. So if we're going to run thisry for twelve weeks is my guess probably an August show is my guess probably Um, so we'll see what show that's going to be but probably August is going to be my Npc debut. And then hopefully I can place well and potentially look at something even better, but the time time will tell and I'll just listen to what my coach says so that's where I'm at. But.

01:53:50.58

christophknoll

Yeah, nice I mean I'm I mean we did my little update at the beginning for what I'm looking for right now. So don't really have to build too much on that. But it's more so I guess since I'm not going to be as strenuously training.

01:53:58.58

Paul

Um, yeah, books are on that of home.

01:54:08.43

Paul

Yeah.

01:54:10.29

christophknoll

I'll probably fluff up for the next six to eight months or six eight months six to eight weeks um and it's not gonna be considerable by any means but probably won't have as much toneage as I do right now which is totally fine by me because I'm still just trying to add size size size. So.

01:54:16.54

Paul

Yeah.

01:54:28.91

christophknoll

Right now I'm not too worried about it but just got got got to see what the workout regime's going to be especially after Wednesday when I find out what the ah the call is going to be for the hand and I I won't go with a second opinion I'll go with what the first people tell me because I I can see the break.

01:54:35.44

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:54:46.35

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:54:48.22

christophknoll

It's splitting the bone. There's no reason for me not to listen to the first opinion. So that's kind of where I'm at um, did you see for the arnold though. Ah, did you see the influencers that were there. Did you see what like Jesse James West showed up as ah.

01:54:51.22

Paul

Yeah.

01:55:05.37

Paul

No, why you see.

01:55:08.60

christophknoll

He showed up in a terminator outfit. It was pretty funny. Um and then some of the panels are pretty cool too like seabum did a panel with Hanie um, so that was pretty cool to see ah Noel Diesel was there and he did a ah panel as well.

01:55:19.10

Paul

Oh Yeah I did I did. Are.

01:55:27.24

christophknoll

I'd like it was really cool to see some of the speakers that they had I mean granted I expect it out of these big and events anyways. But it's really awesome to see the community come together like that.

01:55:35.37

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's it's not people forget that it's not just a show. It's also an Expo Usually it's like an actual event. Um.

01:55:42.33

christophknoll

Well, it's like a actual it's in reality. It's a 4 day event March second through fifth like it.

01:55:51.44

Paul

Yeah, yeah, the shows take place Friday Saturday and then it actually also keeps going so it's Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday. Yeah yeah, so I want to go to the arnold potentially next year um

01:55:56.76

christophknoll

Thursday Thursday through Sunday isn't it. Yeah Thursday through sunday.

01:56:05.68

Paul

That would be great I also really want to go to the l a fit expo I think that'd be a lot of fun but that's ah obviously a trip that's l a so potentially next year Arnold is within driving distance of me where was the arnold this year isn't in Columbus see how I was gonna say let me see how far.

01:56:07.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:56:19.26

christophknoll

Columbus Ohio.

01:56:24.46

Paul

Um, me see if I can find out how far of a drive. It is for me, um, six and a half hours six and a half hours that's not too bad I can do that one day that's not like that's easy I can leave at 6 a m get there just afternoon. Maybe 1 or two o'clock yeah, that's not too bad.

01:56:28.13

christophknoll

I mean Ohio's up there man you're you're out, you're away.

01:56:36.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:56:44.11

Paul

Um, you could fly there. It looks like just over an hour flight um going from Charlotte to Columbus would be just over an hour give or take and looking at like close to five hundred bucks but that's a fucking shit ton I'd change it out next year

01:57:00.50

christophknoll

Um, do they do they hold in the same spot every year

01:57:03.10

Paul

But yeah, so we'll see yeah to typically? um, definitely the same city I know I was in Columbus each year but um there was 1 year I think so there's a hotel that has Arnold's statue at the front of it and they denied him. Like a free room or something even though like like like it was something ridiculous so he was like oh I'm not going to hold the arnold here anymore because they denied me a room or something I forget what it was. There's some beef that happened a couple years ago um I think it was.

01:57:25.70

christophknoll

Ah.

01:57:34.96

christophknoll

Imagine denying Arnold room couldn't be me couldn't be me.

01:57:39.15

Paul

Yeah, with a statue literally fucking like twenty feet away um yeah no I they were probably fired I don't know if anything really happened from it I just remember him posting about it. So I'm not sure if it's in the same place. It's always been. Um, let me look up. Um corona classic. Location history me see if I could find out. Okay, that's a forbidden website. That's cool. Okay, um, you see if we'll find out the locations I can't really find the locations but it it is has been Columbus for I think like fucking ever. Um, since the beginning but Olympia has hopped around quite a bit. Ah it's even taking place in other local and other countries. Um I think let me look up the olympia again. Um. Yes, you like there's France Germany Australia West Germany Belgium Sweden um, the last time it was international was Finland and 9092 Dorian Yates won there his first olympia was the one in Finland Helsinki but then after that it was Atlanta for a few years in Chicago for a year L a for a year in New York for a year and then Las Vegas is really where I found its home. Um.

01:58:53.97

christophknoll

I Mean um, the states is where modern day consumerism is thriving so you just have to value the the commercial side of things. So yeah.

01:59:01.45

Paul

Yeah, and and on top of that United States is the biggest bodybuilding industry like there's no other country and can even come close to comparing to the us um, people would argue like Russia like Eastern Russia or western Russia I mean with like the I vb elite division. But. It's not even close, not even fucking close. Um bodybuilding is truly in America is truly like really where it it thrives especially like California like that's where like the golden era came from um people like Jay Cutler Arnold Arnold moved to Venice.

01:59:26.85

christophknoll

Yep.

01:59:39.51

Paul

California because of the bodybuilding like that's why he moved out here. So not here specifically but like to the us he moved out to l a for that. So it's like um this is where it's really simple was to be um so it's it's definitely interesting. Oh there we go classicysique start in 2016 for the olympia.

01:59:57.70

christophknoll

Nice.

01:59:59.29

Paul

So that's cool. Yeah Danny Hester Danny Hester brion ainsley and then Chris bombmsted those the 3 winners of the classic physique so far. Um, and the two 12 start and twenty twelve men's physique started 2013 um, but yeah, so this is the world we live in I mean it's a great great industry here. We're in the. Run the place to be but I just fucking wish anabolics were legal fuck the Fda did they try to say drink drinking oranges is better than beef but whatever. That's different hey. Yeah, yeah, it'll change. But.

02:00:24.42

christophknoll

Ah I will.

02:00:29.64

christophknoll

And I mean that's just where we are right now. It's subject to change. Yeah, absolutely as always guys keep tuning in and.

02:00:38.82

Paul

I Think it's a good ah good episode. We'll call it a day.

02:00:47.48

christophknoll

If we hit our usual ah viewer count. We will hit one caveviews after this episode so that is a big milestone. Ah, next week we'll sure talk about it but until then guys we will see you guys next week bye everybody

02:00:53.28

Paul

Very exciting.

02:01:00.59

Paul

See you guys.


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