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HGH #27 - Steve Weinberger Seminar


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christophknoll

Welcome back Everybody we are back with another week. We're still running somehow so we are back with another episode for you guys.

00:06.18

Paul

Yeah, we're we're quite a bit of the way in now or what like epso 27 I think we did miss our six months Twenty four was six months and we didn't even mention it did we.

00:16.26

christophknoll

We did mention it I made a I made a joke about how I didn't get you a ah 6 month anniversary gift. Yeah.

00:19.80

Paul

Oh okay, okay yeah I was like do the math of my head other day and I was like wait. We didn't even say anything about the 6 month thing I was like I don't even remember it but all right all right cool that makes me feel better. Oh all, right? Well never mindd then ignore me.

00:26.11

christophknoll

Oh we we we definitely did we spent like the was unlike the first 10 minutes of that episode talking about it.

00:39.65

Paul

Um, but we got an exciting episode today. Um I got some stuff to talk about about a seminar I went to yesterday. Um I think that'll be yeah I think that'd be kind of the bulk of today's episode there's a lot of information that was provided. Tons of pros were there some some big names. Um.

00:46.23

christophknoll

Yeah, that's that's big hype.

00:59.52

Paul

And plenty of women's names too were there. Ah but the biggest name there was ah Steve Weinberger so Steve Weinberger is the head judge for the olympia. Um, so he's the the judge. You know if there's any judge you want to get close to and get to know and. You know again on a personal level is definitely going to be Steve Weinberger um because yeah, literally he's like the he's like the president like it's if you compare like a government employee. You know if you're talking about the government. He's the president of the us um, but in the comparison to the ifbb and the npc um.

01:18.76

christophknoll

The big man on campus.

01:36.95

Paul

So he's essentially like the head judge and chairman I think of the ah Ibb Northeast division so he runs pretty much all the northeast shows. Um, and then he is the head judge for the olympia and kind of the head judge for the ifbb. So. Um, if the ib ib needs him to step into some sort of judging panel or something like that. He's he's there and he'll be the top dog. So um, he he is also I think this could be completely wrong I could be getting it mixed up I want to say he's married to Bev Francis

02:10.84

Paul

Bev Francis is now actually yeah I'm right I'm right? That's right? So Bev Francis started the powerhouse gym in Brooklyn New York which is like the mecca of bodybuilding on the East Coast like if there's any it's like golds gym on the west coast in Venice. Is the mecca of the west coast Bez Fracis Powerhouse is the equivalent to the East Coast so if there's a gym you want to go to I mean it's it's more saturated now but like especially in the golden era if there's a gym you wanted to go to in the East Coast to be around all the big bodybuilders. It was Ben Francis ' powerhouse. Um, so powerhouses.

02:47.20

christophknoll

Does it compare does it compare to that. Um I'm blank on the name of it. But there's one in New York that you've mentioned before does it compare to that one.

02:55.30

Paul

Um, I'm trying to think of what New York wanted is.

02:59.64

christophknoll

You mentioned a ah Brooklyn gem before that's basically you, you've used used the same words of how it's the mecca of the east. Ah.

03:06.61

Paul

Yeah, that's probably the same thing I'm talking about there's there's only 1 Brooklyn gym I know about in his bed frances powerhouse. Um, yes, it's an enormous gym. It's very comparable to Venice Golds but um, yeah, so she is now Bev.

03:11.95

christophknoll

Um, I'll go.

03:23.30

Paul

Um, weinberger because they got married a long time ago. But um, be Francis started. She was a big female but bodybuilder back in the 80 s um so she went in the direction of owning in the gym and he went in the direction of judging. Um, which is something that they talked about something that um moe. She is I think a chairwoman and judge for the carolina ifbb division I believe um, there are so many names and there's this trey who does the same thing and then Johnny who's also the same thing so there's a big panel of people. Um, of judges that were there. Um and it was run by Mike who runs unchained physiques the team I'm on and he owns a bunch of Golds Gyms he's one of the largest golds gym owner actually in in the country and in the world as far as like number of actual franchises. He's got one of the highest count um in the world. So.

04:14.75

christophknoll

Yeah.

04:17.68

Paul

This dude is just dude's really really savvy when it comes to business but he ran this seminar as his second one annually Steve Weinberger showed up this is Steve's first one I think he might start showing up to the future ones. But um, it was a really really good seminar and they talked so much about everything? Um, so it. You know they kind of started out with welcoming everybody to the seminar and everything and um, you know Steve had to fly in and all these other people have to fly in and some people drove like 5 six seven hours apparently to to come to this seminar so I was blessed to be able to just drive 20 minutes to get to it. Um. That's what I love about Charlotte is that if you're in the Carolinas or like even up in like Virginia and like Maryland and like Tennessee Kentucky and stuff a lot of the stuff that happens in this general area is most likely happening in Charlotte. Um, sometimes in Charleston South Carolina which is along the ocean and then sometimes in Raleigh but a lot of it kind of centers around Charlotte because it's a good middle ground. Um, so I'm very blessed to be able to attend stuff like this. Um. So he was you know all these people were there and they were introducing everybody and talking about all these different pros and stuff and it was it was ah um, so it's called the Carolina Pro seminar so the the focus of it was less um about people getting into bodybuilding kind of like the last seminar I went to um, that one was um, kind of.

05:42.98

Paul

Beginner intermediate side people who are into bodybuilding people who are competing and you know do want to kind of refine their skills gain a bit more knowledge stuff like that. But this one was really like how do I get pro and if I'm pro. How do I keep it going. What do I do with that like how can i. Better perfect myself. How can I do better posing like there was a lot of information provided so this one was more on the advanced side as the far as the focus goes. So um, you know they they start out with introducing everybody and getting some warm welcomes and everything and kind of talking about. You know future shows for Carolina Npc and ifbb so npc for those that don't know the way you want to kind of look at it is Npc is amateur ifbb is kind of the pro side. So um, that's essentially the way to look at it. So npc judges were talking about how. They're getting more ifbb pro shows coming to the Carolinas um, every year this year and then every year subsequent there's gonna be more and more shows and they're at the point now where there's almost two shows every month and they're trying to make it so that at least each month there's at least 1 pro show. Ah, in the carolinas usually in either Charlotte rally? Um, maybe Charleston so at least that way you have an opportunity to attend a pro show and go for your pro card. Essentially once a month um so you have your pick of the litter and then they also have the amateur shows to what's that.

07:03.85

christophknoll

I Mean it's It's ah it's a phenomenal spot to to hold that kind of stuff because you have more or less warm weather year round I mean like your your cold weather is not really comparable to you know North cold weather so you have the ability to have.

07:10.43

Paul

Yeah, pretty much.

07:21.59

christophknoll

Comfortable and potential like even I mean I I know they don't do outdoor shows a lot much because the lighting isn't controlled but just having that atmosphere like you can have like Panels and stuff in that outdoor setting and then have the actual shows inside like you have a lot of really good.

07:28.10

Paul

Um, yeah, they don't yeah.

07:39.10

christophknoll

Accessibility there.

07:40.70

Paul

Well, the biggest thing with the carolinas is just how fast it's growing down here. Um, because the cost of living the culture food stuff like that. It's it's growing extremely extremely fast. Um Charlotte is actually top 10 now for most busiest airports in the country or in the world. Um. And they're drastically spending the airport. The city is almost always top 5 fastest growing cities in the in the country every year so it's growing ah extremely fast. So we're getting more and more people coming here and it's just ah, it's a different mindset for people down here. It's people here.

08:02.71

christophknoll

Um, and.

08:17.25

Paul

as far as like the way they act and the way they bring you know present themselves is like as far as like let's just say politically to make it easy. There's no left leaning There's no really right? Leaning. It's a lot of people here are very central focused so it's very like individual. Each person is. Kind of just like there's there's no real like focus here. They're just you just want the best for everybody essentially um, you know obviously if you get outside Charlotte there's going to be more right-leaning people and you're going to see more freedom or liberty stuff like that focused but within Charlotte which is kind of considered the blue area. Um, you're going to see very much more open-minded people which is great. Um there's no real like you know I've never seen real issues between people that I've never seen really any division and that's one of the great things about Charlotte too is that it's extremely diverse. So there's tons of culture here. Tons of different types of people all different walks of life. So that's why it's a good place to have stuff like bodybuilding shows where you get those kinds of people you know you get all these different cultures in different walks of life and you get to celebrate the differences between ethnicities and the differences between nationalities where people grow up differently. The food they eat is different and the way their body responds to things is different. So um. That's another reason why it's good to have this stuff here and um, you know, unchained physiques. What's that.

09:38.20

christophknoll

What you're you're telling me, you're telling me that if ah if a show came up to Boston they're not going to enjoy our 90% irish population yeah

09:45.20

Paul

Yeah, it's all I like a smidge of Italian that's like all yeah, all boss it is. It's like Handover Street is Italian Everything else is fucking irish.

09:56.39

christophknoll

You're you're telling me that it's not enjoyable to go down to the Harbor and see what washes up on Shore. Ah.

10:01.58

Paul

Ah god just go take a sip out of the harbor and get like hiv but um, yeah, so it's it's expanding really fast so they were talking a lot about future shows coming up and there's a new pro show in April that's being run and um. So the main focus now with especially these regional shows and national shows that we're starting to see is because of financial capabilities. They're actually starting to cut not really cut it but they're starting these shows. These new shows are starting without men's open There's no men's open and there's no like women's physique or women's bodybuilding like they took that shit out because's when you're going to put money towards a show like this or you're gonna put money towards very specific divisions and you're you're kind of like budgeted. What's the thing you're going to take out first. The divisions that. Don't have as much popularity. There's significantly less men's open competitors than like men's physique or classic physique nowadays. It's just how it is so these shows yet.

11:00.92

christophknoll

Which is which is wild which is wild because at the at the O or arnold the highest paid divisions are the men's open. But yeah I get that.

11:08.33

Paul

But that's also the biggest shows of the world like this is we're talking the whole world but and then also with the olympia that's better around since the sixty s these shows are new but it's just the shift of the it's the shift of the industry and there's still plenty of open bodybuilders to compete. But. Financially speaking. It's smarter to start out with the more with the more popular divisions. You know the guy who is running the new pro shows Johnny he was talking I think it was Johnny. There's so many names it's hard to remember. Um he was talking about how of course he wants men's open of course he wants women's bodybuilding. He wants all the divisions. But. For the first year maybe the second year while they build up a fan base for this show. It's going to be the Charlotte pro while they build up this fan base. They're going to run just the divisions that have the most popularity and that's going to be for men. It's going to be men's physique and classic physique. So. Um, he's like of course I want you guys there? of course I want men's open but just for now we're gonna we're not running men's open on this and then down the road we will put it in but right now you know we're strapped on money. We're kind of trying to get the social started build the fan base then we'll go from there so they talked about that and um. You know, kind of the future of the Carolinas and everything and it is drastically expanding and um Steve Weinberg is supporting it. You know he showed his support by showing up. Um I can even imagine how much it costs to have Steve show up because of like who he is. You know it's just it's.

12:40.47

Paul

It's like having like Tom Brady show up like it's like you like he's the guy you know he's the guy you want to have at a seminar like this so I can only imagine I mean maybe because.

12:47.81

christophknoll

Do you think he does do you think he does pro Bono work like.

12:57.20

Paul

The shows are I if B B So it's possible that like essentially he gets a cut I don't know the structure of the organization.

13:01.60

christophknoll

Well I was thinking even like in in an effort to build up more shows which inevitably will build up a higher like I guess a higher standard for the big events that he's personally judging than I would think that he would. Divert some of his time unpaid to go do that just to build up the environment and build up a better like sport base.

13:26.15

Paul

Yeah, well, that's what I mean by saying he might get a cut of these shows is by showing up. He might be setting up these shows to have more popularity in the future I have no idea but I do know like having these pro guys show up these pro bodybuilders they cost a shit to Andre Ferguson showed up. Um.

13:31.65

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

13:42.71

Paul

And he's definitely expensive because you know he's I don't think he competes really anymore I I got to start following him. But um I got to check up on his you know, kind of his bodybuilding career. But um, as far as like he standing in the industry as far as men's physique goes I mean he was like number 1 or number 2 when he was battling brun. Brendan Hendrickson for the longest time. So um, as far as like where he stands I mean he's definitely expensive to show up I mean I know people like you know in the class physique division that aren't even really that big that haven't want to know or um, really even place top. 3 they they cost like fucking 10 grand for like an hour of like like posing like these guys charge a lot of money because of their their time is extremely valuable so I have no idea how much this costed so I can even express the gratitude um that that. Mike was able to to host this and unchaen physiques was able to host this and all of that and um I was able to attend it so it was truly a blessing and um for those in the area who weren't able to attend it was ah you definitely missed out. Um, because there's a lot of information and even those there are plenty of guys there who are like just starting out. In fitness and like really just starting out with like I want to compete um like imagine stuff like a month after you're like yeah I think I want to compete that's like and then showing up to that seminar like that's exactly what these guys are like like just decided to to compete. Um.

15:05.43

christophknoll

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15:11.87

Paul

And there is plenty of older guys. I mean theres guys who just now started to or want to compete. There's 1 guy who's in his. He's like 65 and just now decided he wanted to compete in bodybuilding so he's going to be competing in masters over 50 or something like that. So um, it was a good mixture of people. Maybe be happy to at least for this seminar was that it was more. Ah, it was a lot more male focused. Um, there was plenty of female information provided plenty of female judges. Plenty of female competitors. Um, but what the last seminar I went to is way more female focused. It was ah it was a larger female attendance which is interesting to see. Um, but this time around is way more male, especially with the with the the male bodybuilders that showed up Andre Ferguson being one of the biggest teams there. We got Quincy Whittington too so he's pretty big. Um, and then all the coaches as well. Dom was there. It was really cool to see do I didn't get to say hi to him he was you know everybody was trying to talk to him and everything there was tons of people there. There was a couple hundred people overall. So. Um, you know I didn't want to take away his time I did get to see my coachsses. Great. Got to talk to him where he's going to rewrite my plan. We're going to do a carb cycle and all of that. So I'll update next week when I get that from him. Um, we're going to take it to the next level. But um, it was cool to see all those guys and um it was. It a really this seminar excuse me sorry I got something stuck in my throat or something so this seminar really kind of like showed in a sense. Ah what bodybuiling is kind of all about because ah you have all these different divisions and.

16:43.32

Paul

All these different kinds of people and what's funny too is that even though we're all different sizes and shapes and have different goals and everything we're all kind of the same you know like we all showed up in fucking tight-ass clothing. Try to impress everybody everybody for some reason was eating chicken and rice like.

16:56.22

christophknoll

Um, Smith.

17:00.63

Paul

I Ate before going there because I'm fucking smart I Guess like I'm not stupid So I'm like all right, Let me eat before I go bring some water and coffee. But everybody's like you know what I'm going to pack a meal and eat it right when I get there like we're sitting down this haven't already even start yet and people were eating I'm like bro like.

17:19.24

christophknoll

Gotta show off the food gains.

17:19.56

Paul

Why didn't you just eat like so eat in your car. Yeah I'm like dude we all eat chicken and rice. You're not proving anything and like I know some people did train before the seminar because the seminar was at a gym but it was just interesting to be like there's no need for that like we all eat the same shit but it was it was funny nonetheless. Um I was like the only one with coffee which was interesting I was like I bet you tons of people are going to be there with coffee nope I was like the only one nobody was drinking coffee around me. But um, yeah, so ah, it was basically the structure of it like I said they introduced the carolina npc the ivb. And then they kind of opened it up a little bit to to to questions as they were introducing um, material and they're talking a lot about that like there's so much more you can do with bodybuiling because they're like what we're going to be comparing everybody to because like Steve's like I he's like I'm the in the information I'm going to be providing is also from my experience with the elite of the elite like he's like I am the head judge of the olympia. So this isn't exactly what he said I'm just paraphrasing so he's like I see the best of the best every single year and just because these guys are great and they might. You know when or something like that doesn't necessarily mean that number 10 is a bad bodybuilder or is a bad pose or whatever like and he's like that goes for any show just because you placed where you didn't want a place doesn't necessarily mean you were bad. You just weren't the best that day and he's like I've seen it so many times where some new place. Eighth.

18:53.92

Paul

1 show two weeks later they'll come in and sweep the floor and get first it just there's no there's no like just because I beat this guy I'm going to beat them next time. That's not how this works. It's not like football or basketball I mean he didn't say this but this is what I compare it to like football or basketball. You can have one off guy and still win the game so like. You know the patriots beating fucking I don't know the bangles or something right? Let's say they beat the bangles chances are most likely when they face them again. They're gonna beat them because as a team they're a better team than the bangles I don't know if that's even true, but they're better team than the bangles. Um, just as as an example.

19:26.96

christophknoll

That's a true anymore. Yeah.

19:30.89

Paul

But like with bodybuilding it's so individual. You're not necessarily guaranteed to beat them again. It's like imagine imagine the patriots in the bangal's face patriots beat them. But then the bangles like basically changed up the entire team and then came back at the patriots it's like okay. We got a whole new team. We're facing here even though we just faced them two weeks ago like you're not guaranteed anything. There's nothing. You're guaranteed, there's no when you're guaranteed and that's why like Chris Bumsted talks about it how he's like I don't I don't aim to beat anybody at the at the olympia each year I aim to beat myself from the previous year because that's all he can do if you focus on beating 1 other particular person you're gonna give yourself tunnel vision and that's what Steve was talking about. He's like when you're facing somebody or you're facing against other people. You do not need to worry about other people do not focus on other people. He's like this is ah almost like a job application. He's like you need to. You need to apply yourself. You need to show us why you deserve the job. Not why you need to be other people to the job you need to earn it and he's like you're we're not, we're comparing you to other people. But it's what you present to us. That's where they gonna matter. It's not like you you need to present. Everything that you have and that's part of posing and that's part of the stage presence and that's part of who you are as a person and um and he's like in in.

20:55.29

christophknoll

Well, that's that's that's just because bodybuilding in its you know Inherent nature is a selfish sport you're doing it for yourself. You are improving yourself and like you can have like you know, image walls or whatever, whatever those things are called um.

21:01.96

Paul

Yes.

21:12.83

christophknoll

You put up pictures and you try to emulate after certain you know pro physiques or something like that like you know, exactly like my you know my my timeline is filled up with like Ronian Cutler and like old school guys and stuff like that. But you don't.

21:16.80

Paul

Yeah, like kind of like manifesting it.

21:28.39

Paul

Yep.

21:30.47

christophknoll

You don't do that for them. You do it for yourself and you just utilize what you've seen and what you've learned from others so exactly like you said you basically apply yourself out there. You're not you can't be focused on someone else like if you went to 3 shows and you and this other dude.

21:34.43

Paul

Yeah.

21:43.24

Paul

Um, yeah.

21:48.55

christophknoll

We're 1 and 2 for all 3 shows and then you focus on the fourth show just beating them. You immediately have lost because you're not but you can't have that mindset. You can have the mindset that you're the best person in the room. That's you know you should have that killer mindset but you shouldn't have the mindset of you know.

21:56.38

Paul

Yeah, that's different. Yeah.

22:06.53

christophknoll

I'm going to do this to beat someone else. Yeah course.

22:07.45

Paul

Yeah, like there's obviously like rivalries and stuff like that like the olympia is part part of it is. It's a show but at the end of the day when you're on stage competing CBum is competing against Himself. He's trying to be the best He can be size definition conditioning. Ah, posing everything he's trying to do is to be the best version of himself on the stage and that's what he was talking about and he's like with every single show you go To. He's like you if you're in the right mindset at the show. Come to the judges afterwards and ask us what can you improve upon for the future show regardless of what placing you got and he's like the you know sometimes like you might not be in the right mindset., Especially if you have like friends then they're like oh you should have won that blah blah blah like that was Bullshit. You got.

22:44.88

christophknoll

Ah.

22:57.90

Paul

Stole is stolen from you. He's like sometimes you're not in the right mindset and if you're not go home have a meal relax then send us photos and ask us what you can improve upon but he said the 1 thing we won't answer. Is why somebody else beat you or how can you present yourself better in comparison to somebody else because that's not what bodybuiling is about It's not about beating somebody else. You know they they he's like really it it doesn't matter what somebody else looked like. Because if you have these weaknesses that you need to improve upon it wouldn't matter if they had the same weaknesses or different weaknesses. They still be place better than you so focus on yourself focus on your weaknesses and what you need to improve upon so ask about what you need to improve upon and what you can do better and just because he's like. I have olympians come up to me about this just because they're you're not like you could be an amazing great bodybuilder and he's like just because there's something you can improve upon doesn't mean you're not great. He's like there's always something people can improve upon and ah, he's like so you know keep that in mind there's always something that. You know everybody's going to have weaknesses and um and then another thing they talked about too that I was really happy that they expressed because this is how it is and he's like they somebody said Mike was like oh if you guys have any questions like I don't know. Ah you know if.

24:21.64

Paul

Mensique is going in the direction of size or conditioning or whatever then just just please just raise your hand and we'll answer him. He's like we'll have a big Q and a later on. But if you have questions throughout. Um you know, raise your hand and ask him then somebody you raised their head and he's like yeah, what's up and he's like I mean is it so it was kind of funny. But.

24:35.23

christophknoll

And.

24:38.92

Paul

Um, the guy who runs the Carolina Npc division he was like let me answer this this way. He said really men's physique is going to be ah because the main focus of the seminar like a good majority of guys were either class to physique or men's physique was a good mixture there but everything else was like very slim. So he said when it comes to men's physique for instance, um, or classic physique for that matter. We can only judge and give rewards to those that showed up and he is like so if we're going to have 4 guys who are all massive and unconditioned show up for a men's physique division. We have to pick the best of the 4 we can't not pick any of them.

25:15.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:17.47

Paul

So Then what ends up happening is people take photos of that and they're like oh clearly they're going in the size. Ah the direction of size for men's phsique and this isn't good but blah blah They're not talking about conditioning anymore and it's like that's not the reality. The reality is is we can only do the best we got for who showed up like we can only do the best we can and. And judge based off of who showed up that day So just because.

25:36.44

christophknoll

Can you and you imagine can you imagine there was a show where you know everyone was unconditioned. They just the judges just all got up and said yeah, no, no one wanted a and they all they all left.

25:45.00

Paul

Yeah I mean well yeah, that would be kind of funny but like it's fucking people will win divisions on a technicality like that guy who showed up to nationals. Whatever year it was like it costs a lot of like he won on a technicality because he had no other competition and he qualified based off technicalities.

25:55.16

christophknoll

Yeah.

26:04.88

Paul

And it's like hate the game not the player. You know what? I mean like don't hit the player hate the game because that's just how it is. It's just you can only judge based off who shows up for that division for that class. Whatever so I've seen guys win divisions at regional shows in men's hosique who should be fucking men's open or like. On the upper side of classic physique guys but they just showed up in board shorts and competed in men's physique and they won on a technicality because they were fucking six seven or some shit and they're all the only ones in that division. So it's like.

26:30.54

christophknoll

I was gonna say that's me showing up to the six four division 66 4 division just nobody there.

26:36.65

Paul

Like legitimately any division you competed in especially men's physique you're going to have like maybe 1 or 2 competitors against you like you're legitimately going to have like top 3 almost guaranteed any regional show just because you're so tall.

26:42.56

christophknoll

Yeah.

26:49.87

Paul

There's gonna be like no one competing against you. But so for you for regional show. It's gonna be the men's Overall it's gonna be your overall title. You're going to go for? Um, yeah, yeah, exactly? Ah so.

26:57.33

christophknoll

Well yeah, that's or that's where I'll be you eventually, but you know yeah I'll I'll come down to these shows. We're talking about right now. The chart the Charleston ones and I'll just ah I'll walk in with a full massachusetts gear like I'll have irish green shorts on. But.

27:11.83

Paul

Yeah, you got to put like um, like fucking who who's the senator right now I Forget yeah, you got to put the senator on your shirt or some shit and then we're like we're like ah like a like like a clamshell.

27:14.51

christophknoll

I. Adam come on man Politics I don't know.

27:27.67

christophknoll

No I I walk in with an Irish flag around my back and they'll be like oh you Irish not man I'm German yeah.

27:27.90

Paul

Or something on the back of your shirt. You're like yeah we got clams.

27:36.61

Paul

I'm just from Massachusetts where you're just inherently irish no matter who you are. You could be like the most russian guy ever and you're like and yeah, no I'm technically irish. Um, yeah, so it's just they they he was talking about just basically that like they can only judge who shows up. So. Just because it might look like somebody with size was rewarded doesn't necessarily mean that that's what they're looking for. So he's like essentially what men's physique is all about is guys I mean classic was developed after men's physique I believe but er. I don't know exactly the timeline but basically men's physique was like guys who don't want too much size like classifysi or men's open but they want to be bodybuilders and they want to compete and look good. You talk to any men's Physique competitor. They'll say it's the. Idea behind the ideal men's body like the ideal physique for a man and the origination of the division. A lot of people argue is having the perfect beach body which we've talked about how originally men's physique was softer. You just came in and you just kind of stood there. It was like to have like the perfect beach body the most photo like perfect perfect like Calvin Klein model kind of physique that was the idea behind it originally. But we've gotten to the point now where it's almost like.

29:01.97

Paul

Men's physique is baby classic physique competitors. It's like there's a fine line between classic physique and men's physique as far as size goes and like when you cross that line. You're already like. Almost at the top of your weight division. So it's like It's very it's fairly easy to move from men's physique to classic physique. Ah really all that comes down to is a little bit of size and most guys can take a year two off men's physique can put on size and then compete in classic pretty well so men's physique and classic physique aren't too far off. Um. So they're kind of talking about the origination of that. Um, but there are some questions asked about you know there's a lot of questions asked and it was about like judging men's physique. It was like you know so how should you know we come in with legs or whatever and there's guys who are new who almost knew nothing about bodybuilding asking about calves and like okay. Calves pull away from it and Steve's like dude you could have peanut calves for all I care. He's like we're not judging your legs should you work legs probably but it's not actually judged. Well yeah, but he was like you know a might if you have smaller legs. It might.

30:02.83

christophknoll

Committed Birth for health reasons you should train legs.

30:14.65

Paul

Technically pull away from your look but it like literally cannot actually hurt your points. Um, so he was then people were asking about board shorts too. So like so they're like okay so the direction I'm seeing to board shorts is they're getting shorter and tighter What do you think we should do about that and Steve's like I actually hate it. He's like I think. Should have relatively baggy shorts that stop at the top of your knee because when you have super tight shorts that really show off your legs and it's like if you have great legs. Awesome! We're not judging them and sometimes what happens is when you have these tight shorts and these short shorts that are kind of showing off your legs really? well. It'll actually pull our eyes away from your upper body that we are judging. So in a way. It can actually hurt you by wearing too good of shorts for your physique. So he's like you know as long as he stop just above the knee and you know they're not super super tight. He's like I think you'll be fine. Um, but just don't wear them too tight and um. You know people were like the first thing that came to mind for me was Aaron Banks I think Aaron Banks is shorts each show is just extremely tight. Granted he won the olympia he won the Arnold. So yeah, it's it's not really pulling away from his upper half necessarily. But.

31:17.29

christophknoll

But and he he also fills out his bottom half very well.

31:29.10

Paul

He won and it's like even though he's kind of doing what Steve's saying not to do. He's still won so it's it's kind of up for interpretation. Um.

31:36.00

christophknoll

well well I think it works for him because proportionally he's he's fit to do so he's not like I who's lacking in any means. So it's not pulling away because there's no discrepancies I think that's more of the point that Steve's making is like if you wear these tight or really good shorts to try and.

31:40.79

Paul

Yeah, it's.

31:47.77

Paul

Um, yeah.

31:54.32

christophknoll

You know, emphasize something but you aren't as well-proportioned down below as you are up top That's where the the you know eyes drawn happens.

32:02.69

Paul

I Think it's more. So if you have too good of legs like if you want to accentuate how good your legs are you shouldn't do that like if your legs are too big and you actually almost have like too big of legs for men's physique then kind of pull the attention away from your legs. Um, yeah, essentially yeah, you should. But.

32:14.86

christophknoll

Then go to classic.

32:20.38

Paul

Um, that's kind of something that he touched upon too and people were talking about. You know, different ways of judging this stuff and really just it just came down to just focusing on upper body. He doesn't they don't care about transitions and they're talking about with transitions from men's physique they're talking about how you don't want to be your your transition can be pretty and fancy and whatnot. But. At the end of the day you don't want be the last one in the pose so when they say You know do your front pose transition to your back you don't want to be the last one of the pose um as long as you're not the last you're fine and that's kind of 1 something that Andre he took the mike and he's like you know you're you're. At the end of the day your transition is not going to matter and sometimes if your transition is too long. It might actually show some of your weaknesses because you're only really going to be doing 2 posts anyways. So do quick transition front back call it a day because that's what they're going to be judging is the front and back so you know have a good transition that's kind of seamless. But that's about it. Um, there are a lot of guys who have like overly fancy transitions. I mean when you're up there by yourself. Um, you can have probably longer transition. This isn't something he's saying this just is something that I was learning. Um you can probably have longer transitions because they do have kind of like especially at like the o they do kind of have like their own. Kind of routine and all these regional shows. You'll have about 30 seconds up on the stage by yourself. So you know you can go to front to back and front you know a few times and have these cool transitions and whatnot and kind of look make it look good and whatnot. But really at the end the day there's only 2 poses they're judging which is the front and the back. Um, so that's kind of what they were accentuating and um.

33:50.10

Paul

Was really good to see Andre there because he's you know, been at the top you know so he's like if there's anybody's opinion that you want to follow as far as competitors goes. He's definitely the guy to to listen to and um him and George Brown were there so George Brown is um the guy was to the at the last seminar. Great guy. Super nice guy, really passionate about it. Um, and he was helping everybody. He actually it almost looked like he he picked out when we got to the posing part which I'll talk about he kind of picked out the guys who were less experienced he he wanted to help the guys who were newer um then the guys were more experienced. Ah, Andre kind of leaned towards the guys who were more experienced as's more of the crowd that he fit in with I think George Brown kind of had more of the focus of the the more more beginners. Um, but as far as number of Olympias ah Andre and um, George Brown for men's physique are actually tied for I think number of olympias they attended which is 8 so they didn't win 8 but they attended 8 which I think is the tide for the highest and I think George Brown is still going even though he's in his lower 40 s which is just fucking respect bro. But Andre I think is done from my understanding and Andre ah like what's funny is that. With like the men's open and classic bodybuilders that were there. They were wearing like tight-ass shirts or long sleeves but all the men's physique guys were like baggy sweatshirts and like fucking baggy sweatp pans and shit like they weren't really trying to prove anything which is kind of cool. Ah because like you said it is inherently selfish and this sport is literally the definition of vanity. It's the definition of it.

35:20.85

Paul

It's like wanting to look the best you can possibly look regardless of who you are as a person. Um and that's kind of what Andre gets a lot of criticism for us people kind of call him ghetto and shit but he was a really nice guy and he was really hyped and um he was helping a lot of people. So um. The interpretation of his personality if. You don't know him in person is just I mean I guess it's just based off social media. But ah, you know all these guys are really at the end of the day bodybuilding is something we all love. It's a passion. It's you talk to? you know anybody who has a passion for something and they're going to want to talk to you about it. You know and they're going to want to help you because it's. Is just how people how it is. You know you talk like anybody who has a passion. They love to talk about it. They love to participate. So um, there's just a lot of passion within the room and ah so it was good to hear his opinion on things being at the top because he just kept in. Really emphasize in that like it really doesn't matter and you need to stop overthinking shit when it comes to posing because so many guys try to overthink it and try to do something different and Hugh's even helping with um I'll get ah into it in a second but he's even even helping with the classic class of physique posers and the meant open posers. And he was kind of picking apart. They're posing too because it does kind of translate even though the posing is very different between men's physique and the other divisions. Um, we still know how to accentuate different muscle groups and.

36:42.95

Paul

A lot of men's physi competitors on social media will pose like classic physique guys and men's open guys and stuff just because we don't do that on stage doesn necessarily mean we can't do those poses. So um, it was cool to see that he was kind of picking them apart too and then so really the bulk. Would say the bulk of the show and the reason most people were there was for posing um advice and posing information. Ah so they kind of hopped back and forth between men and women with each division so they started out with the biggest group of people which is men's physique. Um, so they had Chris Barr and something Morris um something Morris is he's a competitor to he's competed in 5 olympias I believe so Chris Barr and this guy are going to be competing at the Charlotte pro towards the end of April so they're bolting could good condition. That's why they were the ones up there. There are plenty of men's whosesi guys who are kind of in their like off season. Um, but these guys were kind of in the middle of their prep so they went up there because of their conditioning and um so they did their front and back poses and ah they were getting picked apart by Steve Weinberger and Andre ah and it was really cool to see because. They both had phenomenally different physiques. Ah Chris Barr is on the shorter I side. He's probably like 5 7 5 eight where the other guy's about my height. He's about six foot 6 one give or take so they had very different physiques. Ah Chris Barr Steve kind of said was like almost on the bigger side of men's physique.

38:13.20

Paul

Ah, so if you look up his Instagram Chris bar um his arms are kind of his um his strong point but also a little bit too much. Um, let me see chris bar I gotta look him up.

38:29.97

Paul

So I I can tell you exactly what I'm talking about. Let's see this might be him right here. No, that's not him fuck.

38:36.96

christophknoll

Well I was going to say you know you while you're looking that up. Um, the beautiful part about this is that these 2 guys who are clearly at the top of their game and getting ready for a pro show and have competed at the o. And they're up there get like working on their craft and getting critiqued by the top of the top while this is also a seminar for people who are at the beginning stages or intermediate stages that helps bridge the gap between you know the top of the top versus you know, just getting into it because it shows that even the guys that are competing at the o. They still have work that they need to get done and they can take advice from people as well. So.

39:12.58

Paul

Um, yeah, exactly and that's that's what these guys were doing like they've competed essentially at the highest level 1 of them has been in 5 different fucking um olympias so like even though, um.

39:27.43

Paul

They are at the top of their level. They could still get gather some information um from these guys I got to find him fucking me look up unchain physiques. Um, ah because it's Chris Barr but I'm not finding his fucking Instagram anywhere.

39:36.50

christophknoll

First.

39:42.54

christophknoll

Maybe doesn't have 1

39:46.68

Paul

I've seen it though. Um, yeah I don't know. Anyways, it don't matter oh wait there. It is yeah okay there we go there. We go. So it's Mr Raise the bar on Instagram. Um raze the bar b a r r so um, that's him so he's when he was up on stage. He he competed at the hurricane pro I think he got second I believe. And George Brown got first and I think we did talk about that I think I preferred chris' physique over georges but it was just because I think of the posing so Chris Barr when he was up on the stage Steve was saying that Chris's physique was almost too big for men's physique simply because of his arms and he was talking about arms and he's like guys. All the my men in here when you're competing a men's physique. He's like it's very easy to build arms in doubt. So i' was like fuck man. It's like my arms are my fucking weakness and you're saying it's easy. No, it is not I've tried trust me I've tried the um.

40:44.67

christophknoll

I Mean mean you sitting there going? no.

40:57.49

christophknoll

Takes another cycle of trend in the back room. Ah.

40:59.75

Paul

Literally like just fucking pitting test as he's saying that because I fucking feel like shit. So yeah, straight of my buy self fucking grow your bitch. Um, yeah, yeah, just just inject straight up oil like vegetable oil straight in the fucking veins.

41:02.57

christophknoll

Ah, and not even and not even in your ass just pinning your test straight into your arm sinthal.

41:16.32

christophknoll

Oh you know what remind remind me after we keep talking about all this about the Sin Bu kid remind me about that and I mean you are you going to remember your thought if I if I go off on something right now. Okay, that.

41:18.50

Paul

Um.

41:23.39

Paul

Why you want to talk about him.

41:30.17

Paul

Um, yeah, of course he's up on my Instagram right now. Yeah.

41:33.70

christophknoll

The the synthol kid I have no idea what his name is but he's a russian kid and it's 22 years old and he for those who don't know if you literally just look up synthal kid. You'll find the guy his last name starts with an eye is like I va um that one i.

41:35.40

Paul

Yeah.

41:44.98

Paul

Um, looking it up right now Carol to Carol to russian russian pop pie.

41:52.26

christophknoll

Maybe it doesn't start with I but but here's the thing he he has injected so much synthol like they were saying there are six hundred and fifty milliliters of synthal within each of his biceps which is fucking wild. But if you look yeah if you look at the pictures like you'll understand. But um.

42:05.18

Paul

Um, it's just as arms. Do.

42:11.42

christophknoll

I want to say it was last week or two weeks ago he was told that and they I don't know who did the news segment on this but he was told that they because of the synthol in his arms and how much the muscles have deteriioorated because when you inject Synthol. It's. It gives you size but it's oily size and it actually destroys your muscles fibers inside of your arm or wherever you're injecting it and so he was told that it's it's at the point it's no longer at the point where they can successfully remove the synthal so they're either going to amputate or he might just straight up die from it.

42:34.50

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

42:47.84

Paul

Yeah.

42:49.12

christophknoll

So this is your this is your warning do not take sinthal. it worked for um it worked for god why I blanking on his name. Um, rich it. Yeah Rich Piana had his build and he would actually proportionally look decent with it like it wasn't at all like um.

42:57.55

Paul

Rich piano.

43:08.69

christophknoll

This kid because if you look at this kid like Paul said that the russian popeye that literally is what he looks like he has no forearms giant bulgy biceps with no definition and then just nothing else. So I I recommend not using Synthol.

43:19.77

Paul

Yeah, yeah. The the reality though unfortunately is that there's a lot of Synthon Bodybuilding. It's all over the place. Um, no no, it's a little bit here and there rich pianass was just very prominent is in his Arms. He denied using it even though.

43:27.20

christophknoll

Personal opinion.

43:31.15

christophknoll

Yeah, but not to that extent. That's that's more so.

43:42.30

Paul

So Here's my thing with rich pia in this sense as kind of a tangent is that he admitted to using all these different kinds of drugs. But then he always denied synthal. So It's like should I trust him in that he didn't use it or is synthal. So bad. He didn't even want people thinking that he was taking it or using it even though he admitted to using pretty much everything else. You know it's like what?? What's the truth. So Ri is most people kind of agree that he definitely used Sintha in his arms, especially his triceps His biases were pretty garly but his triceps were fucking crazy.

44:05.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:18.60

Paul

When he was like resting his arms. It's like his arms are like a ball like his triceps are like a ball. Um, but yeah, so definitely don't use synthal. It's very dangerous. Basically what synthal is for those that don't know it's essentially a oily mixture of different substances and ah.

44:24.23

christophknoll

Yep.

44:35.66

Paul

Basically what it does is when you and when you inject it into a muscle it hardens and widens the muscle so you're not actually increasing the size of your muscle. You're essentially putting a rock of oil within your muscle. So essentially you gain size but it's not actual muscle fibers. Um, it's it's just like it's like stuffing a fucking turkey. It's like you're not actually adding more turkey to it. You're just stuffing it and that's all you're doing with your with your synththesis. You're just stuffing your muscles with shit. Um, and it's very very dangerous, pretty much anybody who's done a lot of S Sinthal and use a lot of synthal. They've all died from it. So um.

44:56.93

christophknoll

Get.

45:10.69

Paul

You got to you got to be careful of it and um, you know there's there's times where fucking the synthol kid his arms just looked fucking infected and shit and it is just not good. Yeah, so.

45:19.59

christophknoll

Oh yeah, his looks terrible like ah respectfully that is not the look. You should be going for.

45:26.36

Paul

There was actually like somebody was speculating or I don't know if it was a study or there's a speculation or something that there's actually like a mental disorder behind it. Um, because it's almost always syntholki kind of the exception but almost always when they do Synthol in 1 body part they use it in other body parts and it's like a mental disorder.

45:40.29

christophknoll

Yeah.

45:44.10

Paul

To keep it going because it is so abnormal and looks so bad to the general public. But for some reason they think it looks amazing. So yeah, essentially um, but there's definitely something behind it.

45:49.79

christophknoll

Well, it's it's it's speaks more to the addiction side of things than anything.

45:59.76

Paul

There is. There's a guy val di sagado he's a brazilian guy I don't even I can't even become him bodybuilder. He's not he just lifted I guess ended a lot of s sinthal he died from it at 55 um, he was called his nickname was synthal. He put a lot of it in his traps in his shoulders and his arms and his pecs. The obvious ones were his arms and his pes. Obviously but he put it everywhere. But yeah, so just don't use it? Um, but with that being said, a lot of guys use it in their arms to kind of accentuate their arms more but with men'sysique Chris Barr has very dominant arms. Um. And when he's training to it kind of shows as well. There is um, a back video. He had beginning of February that I'm watching right now. Um, much respect to him. You know? great. Great bodybuilder phenomenal physique but like his back day. You could tell his biasceps were kind of doing a lot of the work. Um. So you got to be careful of your arms. Especially if you're our guy that can build them easy because they'll start to take over everything else and they'll just blow the fuck up. Ah so that's 1 thing that Steve was saying was that Chris is almost too big for men's physique and he's like if he really wants to get to the highest level he needs to lose size. Ah.

47:01.98

christophknoll

Yeah.

47:13.97

Paul

Because his arms are just too much but then the other guy um Morris was a little bit on the smaller side. Ah so let me see if I could find him ah I gotta look him up but um, he was almost a little bit too. Small. Not too small but like he could use some more size so between the 2 different physiques I will send you a video after the after the session stuff. Um I I took a video recording of Steve kind of tearing them apart. Ah between the two I mean a lot of people preferred Chris his physique because he had more size. Um, but the reality was I think it was Morris he ah had more of the men's physique look so the reality is is most likely Morris would beat him, especially if he comes in with better conditioning because he had almost like an Aaron Banks look tool him in a sense. He very similar posing very similar look. So.

48:06.50

christophknoll

No.

48:09.13

Paul

Most likely it's literally like Aaron Banks versus Breon Hendrison was literally what it was like with those guys up there because Morris was taller and leaner while Chris Barr was shorter and um, more built. So ah, it was interesting to see that and he kind of tore them apart. Um, as far as like your posing goes and. I mean he didn't really tweak too much. He just kind of said like oh do this kind of a lot of the time he was kind of telling them to bring their chest up more um because a lot of men's physique guys ah bring their chest up more or they're afraid to bring up the chest more because they're going to make their abs go away. But that's not the reality. Ah, so he's like just don't be afraid to to raise your chest up. Ah so he kind of tore that apart. But then we got into men's classic physique and um, that's really where Steve came in and um, kind of took to the next level with his knowledge and ah. There's 1 guy up there. He won believe us junior nationals twenty twenty which is one of the harder shows to win. He won the overall there and men's open. Um he has decided to move to classic. Ah, so he moved out. He's going to move down I think he's like 22 or something he won at 20 So Junior Nationals Juniors is usually like on the younger side like teens upper teens early 20 s um so he competed in 1 men's open for for. He was like twentieth think at the time. Ah so he won that and.

49:28.70

Paul

Steve goes up to him and he goes when's the last time he competed and this is with a Mike he's with the mic. The guy's up on this stage at this gym. So it's a classroom at a gym and he's up on this little like two foot platform and he goes when Steve goes to him and he goes when's the last time you competed and he's like 2021 and he's like.

49:32.25

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

49:46.18

Paul

Yeah, you look at you put on some fat huh and he starts laughing. He's like you need to get lean. He's like I don't know who the hell your coach is but you put on too much weight and he's like you need to get lean. Ah, he's like for everybody here. He's like we call it an offseason but you should be relatively relatively lean. You should have a little bit of vascularity.

49:49.20

christophknoll

Jesus. Ah.

50:05.52

Paul

Some visible abs. You know you shouldn't really be too high on them. Body fat This guy you know he looked great. He had good. You know he had good overall structure but he didn't have any definition really anywhere. Um, he didn't have any separation in his quads. Nothing like that so he definitely put on some weight he got a bit fluffy. Um.

50:15.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

50:23.93

Paul

Mike was like oh well he did just have a kid and he's like Steve looks at him all confusing. He's like he didn't have the fucking kid. Yeah, he's like he didn't have a kid so everybody was dying laughing so it was really funny but he tore them apart and that kind of like.

50:29.28

christophknoll

Did he have the kid. Yeah, that's what I was ah did he have the kid.

50:39.82

Paul

Made everybody kind of on edge because they're like oh shit this guy is serious like obviously he's serious but like this guy is fucking ruthless. He'll straight. He'll tell you straight up how it is um and Tom the guy I've talked about on here being one of the bigger guys at each gym whenever he lifts he was up there and he said so Steve goes okay front double they do front double. Do side chests and he goes up to Tom who's up on the stage like in his boxers basically posing and he's like what the hell are you doing and he like laughs. He's like I'm doing my side chest and the way Tom does his side chest is he puts his hands together and does it like this so he does a side chest and instead of flexing his arm. He. Kind of creates a fist with each fist I guess with each hand and puts it together and does it like this and he goes I know what the hell you're doing. He's like who's your coach because he has fucking no idea what he's talking about so he said all right now he's like he he like moved him and he's like all right, grab this wrist like an actual side chest. He said all right, bring this shoulder up bring it out drop this then he dropped it. He's like all right, everybody look at this and then everybody's looking at it. He said all right now. Do what you're doing before and he did what he was doing before and he's like doesn't the new one look a lot better and everybody basically agreed with that. Um, and then.

51:51.71

christophknoll

I Mean there are different ways to do side chests though.

51:54.13

Paul

Ah, yeah, but the thing that Steve kept reinforcing because people were asking him that was like how should we do it and he said really at the end of the day you should do your whatever pose makes you look best and if that is kind of a tweak of the original pose and that's fine. But it needs to look better than the original pose and it's just his side chest didn't look as good as the side chests I just showed him so um, he was saying that his coach doesn't know what the hell he's talking about because he gave him a side chest that doesn't look as good as a normal side. Chest. So that's the issue that he had with that. Um.

52:14.83

christophknoll

Okay, yeah.

52:31.13

Paul

And then he they did ah rear double. He didn't really tweak many people with that kind of having people bring their arms more down because a lot of people raise them up too high so you had them more down and then you had people um, kind of like imagine different ways of leaning back and that kind of helped people widen their their lats and then. When he came back to um, he had them turn back around and do um abs and thighs which is abdominal crunch. Essentially it's in accentuating your quads your thighs and um your abs and he tore he tore toms apart again? Um, he's like I don't know who the hell your coach is but. He's like he's given you poses that don't look as good as other poses so he had he fixed his abs and thighs and um it looked a lot better. So um, Steve was really tearing him apart his posing which is great to see because Tom is like he was like four weeks out or something he's getting ready for a show and Steve was like. Fixing his posing and he did look a lot better afterwards. Ah so basically yeah, and if Steve's like yeah you look a lot better now with this pose then that kind of says a lot. So ah, it was. It was good to see that because he didn't hold back which was good. A lot of people.

53:28.98

christophknoll

So so it's a locked in dub is what you're saying.

53:38.00

christophknoll

Yeah, but.

53:45.90

Paul

Ah, kind of hold back and just be like yeah it looks good because it does like even in the bad posts. He still looked good. He could look better and that's where Steve came in and that's his knowledge and his expertise really did show because the smallest tweaks he made on someone just lowering their arms widened their back by a couple inches. And made their back look that much wider. So.

54:04.93

christophknoll

Well, that's kind of like the the age old discussion of what's a good friend versus a best friend and it's kind of like when you know for me I'll I'll take a physique picture or something and I'll send it to. You and a couple other people and from the other couple people I'll get you know? Wow you're looking good like nice job on you know the front double whatever and then I send it to you and you might give me like 1 piece of positive like oh this looks good, but then it's like here's what doesn't look good and it's like that's that's the difference between.

54:19.68

Paul

Um, yeah, um.

54:35.41

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

54:38.90

christophknoll

Someone trying to support you and someone trying to make you better and that kind of like you have to be able to put yourself in that vulnerable position.

54:41.10

Paul

Yeah, yeah, and that's that's comes down to just being able to take constructive criticism and I like I've told my wife about like stuff that I've told you um, like when you send me that deadlifting video.

54:55.10

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

54:56.42

Paul

I was like kind of telling her like what I was saying and stuff she's like that's really mean I'm like I'm just critiquing his form I'm like I'm not being mean I'm like if.

55:02.80

christophknoll

And it's it's also I'm I'm not who's I'm not someone who's gonna say you know fuck you Paul or something like that.

55:07.99

Paul

Yeah, it's it's not being mean like even though Steve was like yeah you look fat. It's he doesn't actually look fat. We know that he looked great. He would stomp on any average guy. It's just when it comes to bodybuilding being in the offseason. The norm this is what's what's accepted is visible abs and you know this type of form this type of look and it's like what the actual um like industry standard is is the words I was looking for the industry standard for an offseason. Um. Which will I'll get into why you don't want to get too big on the offeason they did talk about that. Um, but ah so yeah, it's like when Eric sent me a um so Hamil not Eric Hamel Set me 2 videos. He showed me a planet fitness um close script row and then now a fitness concepts closed script bro and he said it was like a year apart or something and I was like good I can see the differences and looks like you're lifting more weight but this is what I would do with your new form or with your form and this is how I would tweak it I was like you're doing good. Don't get me wrong, but.

56:12.59

christophknoll

Um.

56:17.48

Paul

You're doing this or this or this like it's just it's I'm just given like a little bit of constructive criticism because if I send a photo or video to my coach I would kind of expect him to say Okay, do this instead or you know, whatever it is like it's you know I would want some sort of criticism and. This is the reality of bodybuilding and I've told people if you can't take constructive criticism or you get Defensive. This is not the sport for you. Ah, you're not part of a team Anymore. You're not part of a overarching you know goal that everybody works towards is just you now. So when somebody gives you constructive Criticism. It's Fucking. You only.

56:41.62

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:55.26

Paul

And it's only about you and you have to adjust so that's what Steve is like. That's why he's being what's considered ruthless is because he's picking these guys apart but they need this Tom needed that ah posing changes in order to truly win on a pro stage because he's competing at a pro level now. So.

56:55.68

christophknoll

Yep.

57:14.93

Paul

He needs to be able to be his best and literally getting advice from the head judge is like the most valuable advice from any anyone you can get because he's talking about his experience from the top level. You know you're getting it from the Olympia level judge. So what he says. Looks better is going to look better. So it's just you got to be able to take that criticism and even though you know I give you positive reinforcement like yeah, you look good. Whatever when I say tweak something it's because I think you can look better if you do this or this or get better results. Yeah.

57:47.75

christophknoll

And and that's exactly what I was saying. Yeah, it's the difference between someone supporting and someone you know encouraging.

57:52.98

Paul

So.

57:58.67

Paul

Yeah, yeah, there is there is true support and there is encouragement and like surface level support. Um, so that's Steve was giving true criticism. Ah, and then so what's funny too to mention going into men's open so they did obviously women's. Posing and all of that and I don't I can't quite see what they're looking at because I don't know as much about women's you know divisions as other guys or other people do um, moe, who's a woman she competed in women's um, bikini. I forget what division she competed in for a long time before she became a judge. Um, so she she was kind of um, critiquing the women and then Steve was kind of agreeing. Basically he wasn't getting up there and fixing it but he was kind of like adding his advice um, kind of agreeing with Moe and everything and they're kind of tearing apart. Women and whatnot and like you should do this or do this because you're not as wide up here but you got a better glutes or whatever so you got to do this so as far as what they were looking at. It's hard to say but 1 thing that was funny was going from classic to men's open like. Tom to me was always the pinnacle of like size I'm like he's always the biggest dude whenever he's in the gym I don't see anybody bigger than him. But then you see men's open dudes get up on the stage bro. Holy shit where they fucking huge like like.

59:21.13

christophknoll

They're big. They're big.

59:24.78

Paul

Can even fucking explain how big these guys were like you don't like you can't fucking fathom it. Any guy you look at in the gym I almost guarantee is not as big as these guys. There's 1 guy up there fucking massive like insane.

59:37.11

christophknoll

I And her.

59:41.19

Paul

So he was getting ready for a show and Steve he was hitting all his poses and Steve was actually fucking not critiquing anything. He's like your your poses are pretty much on point which is great. Um, Andre was like dude you look crazy his ah his legs were fucking massive like legit like my fucking torso for legs like it was crazy. But. It's just it goes to show the difference in sizes because like I've always like I said assumed or kind of seen Tom as like the biggest guy in the gym. But then when I see guys like that men's open competitors these heavyweight guys up there. They're fucking massive and it's just ah. I can't even comprehend it like it was just mindblowing how big these guys were and like 1 guy was competing at a pro level and the the other guy think was at the arnold level I can't quite remember if he was arnold level or not but dude looked crazy. His arms were like this size like his bicep the size my fucking head it was crazy. Um, but classic physique and men's open posing are pretty much the pretty much the same. Um, the difference was just overall shape men's open. They had more of a blocky design to their physique where classic was more of the v taper. But then men's physique is like the ultimate v taper. It's like your your waist is like almost nonexistent and then your shoulders are wide as shit so it just goes to show the difference between the physiques. Um, one thing that so there was 3 judges 3 coaches Cornelius um, who works.

01:01:11.86

Paul

Kind of on his own. He's not really a part of a team then there's dom who went up there who's part of unchain physiques and then there there's Brooks Clark who's up up there as well. They start up on the stage and all talk at the same time together. Um, they were talking about prep and they talked about for like 20 minutes maybe 30 minutes about prep and one of the things that they really wanted to solidify with people. Is 2 things 1 you don't want to start with start ah with a coach 8 twelve weeks out from a prep um because the coach isn't necessarily able to learn how your body reacts to things. Do you want to start at least four months out from a show if you plan on hitting a show you want to start at least four months out from a show. Starting with a coach so that they can at least spend four or more weeks learning how your body reacts to things before they start a prep because if you start eight weeks out they're not going to know how your body reacts to different supplements different foods stuff like that. Um, and then another thing they really wanted to reinforce is that ah you want it to. Evaluate where you are with your conditioning prior to deciding to do a prep. So what I mean by that is like let's say you're at a certain condition like you're at 10 % body fat or something and to maintain that. You're like eating very little food. You're doing 2 hours of cardio a day you're trading hard if you're at that level and you're thinking about doing prep then most likely you are not going to come in well to show because you're already pushing the envelope so hard to be just 10% body fat.

01:02:40.99

Paul

That to push it even further is gonna be detrimental to your health and is gonna require a lot more effort than is is needed. So really where you want to start? your prep is like little to no cardio and a good amount of food while you're relatively lean. That's a good place to start your prep. Um. So that's something that they were talking about you. Don't want to be at the point where adding more cardio is gonna be very difficult or taking away. Food is gonna be very difficult. You don't want to be at like 0 carbs before you even start? What's considered prep because that's gonna be even that much harder to lose more weight. So. Something that they really reinforce you want to be at a good place and that's also kind of comes down to like not being too big prior to a prep you want to be relatively lean before starting a prep so that you can show up that much better at the show and that's kind of the direction that the bodybuilding community is going. Um, back in like the 90 s it was all about like putting as much size and fat on during the offs season as possible to gain size and then shedding all the fat for show and that's why perhaps are associated with like twelve sixteen weeks because it takes that long to shed all the fat with taking drugs and. Like no carbs and tons of cardio and insulin and shit to lose all that fat That's why it took. That's why it's associated with that because even with all those drugs you still took a long ass time to lose everything but now you shouldn't be looking at prep as a number of weeks out from a show. You should be looking at prep as.

01:04:09.36

Paul

Getting everything dialed in so like Brooks was talking about that and he was like you know guys will come to me to to start prep and be like oh I'm excited to start prep I'm super excited to start getting lean. It's like dude, you're kind of already in prep like even though you're not with like almost no food. You're still kind of in prep and there is no. Like there used to be a very thick line between prep and not prep but now it's like there's a thin line like you can be like maintenance calories and then cutting two hundred calories out and you're technically in prep now because you're losing weight you're losing fat but you're maintaining muscle or increasing muscle so that would be kind of considered prep. So. What's considered prep versus offseason now. There's much more of a thin line and that's another thing they really wanted to reinforce um and then towards the end of the seminar I then end up staying for it. But there is a part of the seminar at the very end where they talked about. blood markers blood tests um you know different autoimmune diseases stuff like that that can affect people but I talked to my coach and he's like you don't really need to stay for it I had to go anyways. But he's like it's not something that you don't know already. Um, but like you know when you start with a coach. It's very important to know where your blood levels are at a lot of coaches. Especially. If you're going to be planning for a show soon or starting with a coach that's going to help you get to the pro stage or even if you are at the pro level. They're going to want to get blood tests kind of right away to see where your blood is at right now where your hormones are at where your lipid profile is at your cholesterol all that. So ah, no, that's something I also keep in mind is that.

01:05:40.45

Paul

Where your actual levels are is going to be very important for your coach. They want to know how your body is and where your body's at so don't start with a coach when you've already picked a show I think for me, you should be with your coach for years I think you should not be with a coach for just four months in the call it a day. I mean a lot of pros kind of do that. But.

01:05:59.53

christophknoll

On I was going to say on the um onboarding paperwork for my coach. There's specifically written. Do not do not be like applying if you are in prep or entering prep soon like.

01:06:13.53

Paul

Yeah.

01:06:16.21

christophknoll

It's just flat out like if you're doing this do not even bother hitting me up.

01:06:20.16

Paul

Yeah, it's a waste of everybody's time because the coaches even know how your body responds to shit. So what are they gonna be able to do like a little bit of your food like really, that's really all they can do because they don't want to put your health in any detrimental place I've been working with my coach for quite a bit now. Um. We are on two and a half years just about so when I go to start prep he knows exactly how my body responds to things. He even knows how I how I respond to a watercut we did a watercut um summer last year I believe it was um, maybe earlier than that I can't quite remember.

01:06:52.29

christophknoll

That's ah, that's a brutal time to do a water cut in the hottest time of the year

01:06:56.16

Paul

Yeah, it was yeah it was in the middle of summer. Um, so I can't quite remember exactly when we did it but he did a watercut in the middle of like kind of like a recomp because he wanted to see how my my body responded to a water cut way prior to ever hitting a show. So um. That's also into something to take into account too is that when you do a watercut for show. You don't even know your coach won't even know how to do a watercut with you. Every single person's body is different. Ah so for me, we tested out a pretty generic way of doing it I responded well so he's pretty happy with it. But like. Some people like Tom that classic physique guy I asked him about watercuts and he said that what he does is like drink like a gallon and a half the night before show and take a bunch of diuretics and then just don't drink water on the day of the show. That's all he does and he's able to shed all that water. But for me the way it worked was three gallons on sunday.

01:07:45.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:07:50.98

Paul

So I'm taking diuretics the entire time 3 gallwons on Sunday two and a half on Monday two on Tuesday one and a half on Wednesday one on Thursday and then about a half down on Friday and then a couple sips maybe on Saturday so the way that that would work is my budd is so used to flushing water. Because I'm taking in tons of water and taking a diuretic I'm just constantly peeing where even when I'm not drinking any water and still taking the diuretic I'm still peeing so when I'm like Thursday Friday when I'm not drinking as much water I'm shedding tons of water by still peeing. So I'm getting rid of all the water. My fat sales. My muscles sell self like that. So. That's how a water cut would work where with Tom. He just drinks a ton of water the night before with diuretics and then the day of the show. He's peeing a shit ton and shed all the water. So. It's just that's what works for him. So even your watercut your your coach won't know how that would work for you. Um, they won't know how your body responds to different drugs. They won't know how your body responds to different supplements vitamins. Everything. Your coach needs to know how your body responds to carbohydrate partitioning insulin sensitivity stuff like that and you know that's something they were really reinforcing. Ah so it's good to hear that because I've always preached that you should be starting with your coach long before you ever planning on you get hitting a show like if you decide to start competing. That's when you should start talking to a coach because then you can start setting yourself up for the future. Um, the differences between I mean they didn't really talk about it too. But the differences between a good coach and a bad coach is usually kind of obvious um price is 1 thing. Um, if they're asking.

01:09:26.57

Paul

I mean I wouldn't necessarily say all the time. But if they're asking you to coach you and you're pretty new to the gym then they're probably not that experienced. Ah if you really what you want to look out for when you're starting with a coach is most likely they're going to be a couple hundred bucks a month at least. Ah, that's what they're worth. Um, they're going to want to see if they want to work with you. What's that yeah, at least I meant a month sorry couple hundred bucks a month at least.

01:09:44.81

christophknoll

Couple hundred couple hundred a month couple hundred a month you said use weeks you said a couple hundred a week yeah I was going to say she man that that's expensive.

01:09:59.29

Paul

Yeah, at least a couple hundred bucks a month a couple hundred bucks a week is some coaches some coaches are that much. Um, yeah, we're talking Olympia Level Chris acio level fucking Matt Jansen kind of shit. So um, like you're kind of cost a couple hundred bucks a month um most likely they might have a couple pros under their belt.

01:10:02.47

christophknoll

Yeah, but that that's top tier top top. Yeah.

01:10:18.26

Paul

You don't want to base it off how many pros they have ah because when they have only pros. It's very easy to coach a pro because they're already at the pro level so they already have the potential to do really really? well. So There's not much tweak where you should really judge a coach based off. We've talked about this before but based off their amateurs. How how far they brought their amateurs. Um, whether or not they like be. They also want to pick you as well like you don't want to just like apply for and they just accept you? Whatever like when I start with my Coach. He talked to me over the phone to see if we were compatible as. Ah, coach and a client he wanted to see if he wanted to work with me as well as me wanting to work with him and setting the right expectations and everything another sign of a bad coach is if they want to push drugs on you right away right? when you start with them. That's not a good thing. A good coach will want to see how you if you plan on taking Drugs. You're a good coach. Who will guide you in that Avenue First of all, be transparent about that with your coach right up front. But um, a good coach will want to see how your body is naturally and try to push you as far as you can naturally prior to ever taking drugs and also know how your body responds to everything prior to taking drugs so that way when you do check drugs. Your your coach and you know exactly how your your body is different on it. So um, you know, be consistent long enough to be able to take test and be like okay this is what tess is doing for me. Um, so this is just something that I've experienced in something that I've read about and watch videos about and stuff that kind of expresses that but they kind of reinforce that there and.

01:11:37.29

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:11:53.61

Paul

Um, something they were saying was that you know these guys on the stage even though you know they're very experienced. They're obviously open to talking to anybody about coaches and even if you don't want to work with them directly and you just have some questions about another coach or if there's like a good coach that they can recommend you that there are also good people to go to for that too. So um. You know these guys it was really it was really good to hear their input on everything um, just from a prep standpoint and they kept reinforcing that offseason shouldn't really be called offseason anymore. You're still on season. It's a lifestyle you're twenty four seven this is a twenty four seven mindset ah there shouldn't it shouldn't really be called offseason. You're not taking a rest. You're not resting from anything. Ah you're still training. You're still most likely taking drugs youre still getting ready for your next show. It's it's before prep it's prep prep basically is what we should really call it. So um, something to keep in mind there. Um.

01:12:40.78

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:12:48.16

Paul

So yeah, so then we got you know they did but a bit more talking and then did the posing section and then the exciting part was at the end where the last 40 minutes or so 45 minutes was ah they broke everybody apart by division and went into separate rooms within the gym and did posing. Um, so this is the part that I was looking forward to the most a lot of the information that they were giving as far as like what the judges are looking for and how the npc and ipb works was very beneficial to me but really, the posing is truly why I wanted to be there and what I wanted to see out of these experts. Ah so the way it worked was. Women's bodybuilding itself went into different rooms and men's open and stuff went into different rooms but men's classic physique and men's physique was in the big room that we were in for the seminar split in half so one side was on one side of the room and the other one was on the other side of the room. So I was on the men's physique side and um, every few minutes. They'd have 5 guys come to the center of the room. And do posing in front of everybody ah in front of all the pros and the judges and stuff and that's where they'd give them critiques so it was like classic physique 5 guys would go up. They do like a front double you know quarter turn with a side chest. Rear double another quarter turned with another side chest maybe and then they do like an ab in thighs and then maybe return back to a front double and each of those poses pro guys would fix them up and then afterwards when they're done men's physique would go up for 5 of them and then when the classic physique guys would step off to the side.

01:14:17.96

Paul

They'd have a pro from custom if Isique go over and critique these guys more so they can really reinforce what they were critiquing them on before.

01:14:24.77

christophknoll

Now then then then the 1 men's open dude walks into the center's stage. Ah.

01:14:30.44

Paul

Yeah, just fucking stomps on everyone. There is literally like 3 or 4 actual men's open competitors there or guys interested in men's open. Um so they were in the other room with women's bodybuilding because there's almost no women's bodybuilding. There's tons of bikini wellness and like a couple physique. But that's about it. Everything else Um, like mainly was bikini and ah quite a bit of wellness. That's the main focus for women so they were in a whole separate room. But um so when you were done getting critiqued in the middle of the room you were off to the side with a pro and they were critiquing you there giving you more reinforcement. On what you learned from the middle so that was really really cool because you weren't just getting your your like few minutes of time in the middle then you were done. They were still critiquing you when you were done in the middle. Ah so I was the last group of men's physique guys was like four or 5 groups that didn't. There was no real like actual hierarchy or anything like that. It was just whoever went out to the center. Um, so I was letting other guys go because ah, there's a lot of guys there who needed the help with the with the posing so prior to me stepping out into the middle of the room. My coach came up to me and this other guy Presley. Ah. Who is also my coach's client um him and I get along press. He's a cool guy. Um, so he he came up to me and Pressley was like all right? You guys hit your front front pose for men's physique because my coach is a pro and men's physique so he's helping us with posing and he comes up and he does you know tells us to do that. Um me and Presley pose very very differently.

01:16:02.55

Paul

Um, so when I get my pose. My coach is like tude I don't even got to say shit. He's like you just fucking click right into it and there's nothing I can critique like you fucking nail it like it's just it's natural for me at least so um, he didn't he didn't change anything. Um, so then I kind of look at him critiquing pressley and then he says all right? You guys hit your back I hit my back and he's like he's. Says to me again. He's like dude I I don't got to tell you shit he's like you hit it every single time. There's nothing to change. So um, that gave me like that kind of lifted a lot of weight off my shoulders as far as like stepping in front of like the best of the best um and then when I finally was able to go. Um, it's on my Instagram.

01:16:33.26

christophknoll

You know.

01:16:40.58

Paul

Ah, ptg build if you guys are listening. That's my Instagram ah for my fitness stuff and there's a video. Ah Mike, who's the one running it. He has a microphone he he's like dude, there's nothing I can critique. He's like you're good. Mike's a pro men's phsi competitor. He got prone 2016 um, but he's like dude, there's nothing going change. Andre Ferguson came up um, moved my foot about an inch to the left and then maybe like an inch forward and he said where your foot was was fine. He said I just think that you're probably going to have more balance kind of with a more narrow stance and he was right where I when I had the wider stance I was more shaking and there's less balance. Um, so when I had more of a narrow stance I was more stable in the way I was standing. It was easier to put more weight on my left foot because I pose um righty or yeah, ah no I pose I pose righty so my right arm is on my hip. Um, most guys don't even put their arms in their hips. But I put mine on my hip is what looks best for me so I get into it.

01:17:43.50

christophknoll

Well, that's one that's when in that video and that's what I commented he did Ferguson takes a step back and just goes that's it that's it right there

01:17:51.85

Paul

Yeah, he just he came up tweaked my foot and he's like he just says like your balance is harder when you have a wider stance and I was just like I relaxed and I was like yeah I feel better with this stance Now. So That's all he did and he said all right? Let's hit the front then he but he steps back I hit the front. He's like that's it. That's it right? there. Like that's all he had to do my front was fine. Besides just having a little bit more balance and even then it didn't really show. It's not like ah it showed I didn't have any balance. Um, he just kind of gave me a recommendation. Um, which was fucking hype and then we did the back when I did the back He pushed me forward like and.

01:18:10.68

christophknoll

Yep.

01:18:28.15

Paul

Inch like he's like lean a little bit forward. So I went forward just like a little bit and he's like boom right there and then he's like he goes to fucking walk Away. He's like I got nothing else to say and he starts walking away and then he comes back and he like daffs me up and shit he's like dude you're set you're Ready. He's like your post is on point so that was that was super exciting because um. Just kind of made me feel better about stepping on stage when I do at least that way I know that essentially an olympian who's won the olympia you know for men's Physique has told me that my my posing is fine like I'm ready like I'm posing. It.

01:19:00.96

christophknoll

That that you must have went home and said okay for anybody who's under the age of 18 cover your ears for the next part you must have come home and said page bedroom now. Ah yeah, ah.

01:19:11.80

Paul

Yeah, that's what felt like my testosterone was through the fucking roof. It was just it was so motivating because like now I know that essentially not I mean I would I don't know if I'll ever.

01:19:19.66

christophknoll

Like I'm I have goosebumps right now just from Youah retelling that story like just for knowing that happened for you.

01:19:25.93

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was great. Um, and it's you know whether or not I'll step on the olympia stage one day I've no idea. But at least that I know I'm posing at an olympian level.

01:19:38.66

christophknoll

Um, see yes, see that's that's not the mindset I told you I'm going to see you at the O so you better be there because I'm a be there except you just have to met you have to come find me in the wheelchair division. Ah.

01:19:41.53

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I'll be at the O I'll be at the O one day. But even yeah, yeah, well well yeah, you'll have the you your needsle buckle or something you' be like Yop I God Bed Bad Knees I can't. Walk any more.

01:20:00.30

christophknoll

I mean I'm gonna have spinners on the side of my wheelchair. That's a crash Garney sponsored. Ah.

01:20:04.55

Paul

Yeah, you just have you have like my Instagram tag on it. Yeah, it sponsored by crash dothvhstockpodcast um but yeah, so that was height because no matter what I at least know that like my posing is on point and it's ready to go. Um, so I told my coach that and he's like ah he's like dude I could not be more proud like it was great to hear him say that he's like I could not be more proud I just he's like it's great to see how far you've come and your're posing is on point and we're going to take to the next level. And I was like I was like man I was like I really appreciate that I was like I kind of feel like I've gained some weight and some fat and he's like dude you're and you're in such a good place right now. Ah, he's like we you are exactly where you want where we want you to be so we're going to start a carb cycle and whether or not we're going to adjust my my actual anabolic protocol I have no idea but um. Going to change it up with my food soon and it was just it was overall a phenomenal experience and I'm so glad I was able to go I really wanted to make sure I set the time aside to go because these only happen every once in a while um and just even just Steve alone just even if there was no posing involved just hearing what Steve had to say for everything. Was enough for me. Um, was 4 hours long and I absorbed every single ounce of information that he had to say and um now I'm just that much more prepared when it comes to um, you know, getting on stage when I do and.

01:21:27.43

Paul

I Think now Really The only thing I have to adjust is just you know creating a transition for my posing and really, that's not that difficult. It's not something that you need to really worry about um, it's just something that you can you know work on to kind of accentuate some of your strengths going between poses. But. Um, at the end of the day I know my front pose My back pose are fucking dialed in and something I could tell you from experience is when you go to a regional show. Um, posing is one of the biggest things that people don't get right? Ah obviously there are plenty of people at regional shows that don't show up um, dialed In. And they've talked they talked about that they said regional shows. Um, you know if you come and dialed then you're already or you're already towards the top because most people don't come dialed in. So If you're able to come dialed in and on top of that have good Posing. You're already setting yourself yourself up for Success. So I know that at least for. Like us my coach and I like we're going to show up to a show and we for the planners to just sweep the floor. Um, you know is it.

01:22:29.40

christophknoll

Well, that was that was what I was going to say like the entire moral of this episode should be the time. It's the time that's necessary to get yourself to the level because Paul has gone to. Tons of different seminars and things like that. He's been in the with his coach for two and a half years had coaches prior to that and still is looking at his first show like where where we're talking about a commitment that needs to be made if you're getting into this sport and I think that's like the giant takeaway from this how you.

01:22:46.33

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:22:57.17

Paul

I.

01:23:00.32

christophknoll

Got to go to all these things you got to sponge up information from literally everybody. Ah.

01:23:02.64

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you can never be too prepared for your first show and like let me put it this way when I started with my coach I said I wanted to compete soon within the next few years and our plan for the first show is January Twenty Twenty two and it's now March Twenty Twenty three and I have yet to compete. And it's not because I couldn't step on stage a long time ago. Ah November Twenty Twenty one my coach is like dude like because he this is when he won a regional show preparing for his national show which he ended up winning winning overall so he was national champion 2021 um, when I went to his regional show that was near near Charlotte. Um, he's like dude he's like you're at a place now where if we just prep for three weeks we can get the win like I've been I've been able to win a show regionally at least for a long time but getting to the level where.

01:23:56.48

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:24:01.12

Paul

Like the overall is solidified before you even show up is what we're trying to get to and we're trying to go from regional to national right away like we want to be so ready for a show that I can then compete nationally right? after that like we just want to do regional show to get. Like I'm in my mind I want to do regional show to get ready for a national show like a regional show to me is like a stepping stone. It's not even for me, it's I'm not even trying to compete every regional show I'm trying to get myself dialed in and ready for a national show is the goal for me. So um. And like you said I mean it's it's taken so much time and a lot of effort and we've had Setbacks. We've had. We've faced that adversity I've had like mental breakdowns I've gone through a lot mentally and physically between when I started with my coach now and and what's starting with my coach that I have now and then also up to this day I've faced all of that and. Um,, there's a lot of that has changed and a lot that's happened and ah you know it just at the end of the day you can never be too prepared and I think if you plan on competing professionally. Then you shouldn't just want to go to a regional just as go to a regional you should like regional is the fucking minimum to win. Um and then National is the next step ah something that a lot of the judges there and a lot of the competitors were saying was that it took them a lot of them a long time to make Pro. Ah.

01:25:30.38

Paul

My coach took 5 national shows before he ever won ah his pro card. So sometimes it takes a long time before you ever get to the pro level and even then even if you are at the pro level. It doesn't necessarily even mean you can compete at the pro level just because you earn your pro card. Doesn't mean that you can go to a pro show and start winning. Ah so sometimes even if you have your pro card. You should still compete nationally and keep getting better and better until you're ready to compete at the pro level. So um, that's also something to keep in mind too is that if I do go to a national show and win a pro card i. Would never put myself right now I would never put myself up on the same stage as Chris Barr or Morris when they were up on that stage yesterday I'm nowhere near them. So even if I do hypothetically earn my pro card soon doesn't necessarily mean that I'm at a pro competitive level.

01:26:24.62

christophknoll

Yeah, well well you could be at the combat level just there's different like stages and different links to that. It's not and everyone is not the same once you reach that pro level I mean there's a reason like in other sports like I'm going to take basketball. For example, you have.

01:26:26.12

Paul

I Just have my pro card.

01:26:40.98

christophknoll

And Nba pros which is everybody in the Nba but then you have and Nba superstars which are like the top tier but then you also have like and Nba role players which are just like guys who are there who play a support and Castro essentially and like there's all these different tiers and and different levels to it. So once you get that card.

01:26:47.20

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:26:58.97

christophknoll

That's yours your admittance to the league. That's not saying you're you need to continue to earn from that point forward like that's why I mean time things I have things I must earn like you have to just constantly grind for everything.

01:27:02.38

Paul

Exactly.

01:27:13.31

Paul

Yeah, exactly and it's like just like like you said just because you have your Nba car doesn't mean you're going to be the best player on the court and that's what it comes down to with the pro card. It's just because have my pro card doesn't mean I'm going to go start winning pro shows I'm going to probably most likely get swept and um.

01:27:20.70

christophknoll

Exactly.

01:27:31.50

Paul

1 of the things the female judge Moe she was saying was that it took her like 8 national shows or something 8 years of actual national competing before she went a pro card and she's actually really glad it took that long because she got to basically the best she possibly could. To earn her pro card and set herself up to then start competing at a pro level when she earned her pro card. She said if I earned my pro card at the first now she'll show I probably would try to start competing at the pro level and never really improve because sometimes you need to take a step back from competing put on size. And everything before you can start really competing at the pro level. So even if I earn my pro card. It'll probably be at least a year maybe two before I start competing at pro stages you know because like my goal for me is to earn my pro card but at the end of the day. It's not just earning the pro card. It's also competing at pro stages. And then from there once I start placing? Well the goal would be wedding shows to earn the points to compete at the olympia and then from there it would be improving myself at each olympia. So ah, that's kind of the the timeline in my mind. But it's also not just like I said it's not just getting the pro card. It's like getting through prep like that's my thing is like I want to lose this baby fat I want to lose this shit. That's like really holding me back right now and then once I can lose that baby fat I'll set myself up even better for the next prep because.

01:29:03.51

Paul

You know, like baby fat is super super stubborn and I've had the same fat for my whole life. So if I can lose that shit and push myself hard enough to lose that then even my next offseason I'm going to look pretty lean I'm going to have visible ass you know vascularity and all of that no matter how much food I'm eating so that's really my goal right now. Is to lose that baby fat but in doing so I'll be prepping for a show so that's that's really where I'm at right now and um, the timeline of events as of right now from what I can tell is most likely an August show. Maybe um, maybe September as far as timeline goes. We haven't picked a show yet. But um, most likely like 3 2 to three more months of this current growth phase and then kind of transitioning probably to a quick recomp which is recomposition so most likely like maintenance calories or something pushing cardio a little bit to loose and fat and maybe gain a little bit of muscle. Um, so more so focus on losing weight and then from there kind of transitioning slowly into a prep and then getting to a show I think is kind of where we're at, but um, yeah, just it goes to show that just because you want to compete doesn't necessarily mean you're ready and ah.

01:30:19.50

Paul

If you go to any regional show. You'll see why you'll see why Um, those who win are the ones who are ready to who are ready to win and those who lost most likely weren't ready to compete and didn't come dialed in so you got to like you were saying stuff you got to absorb as much information as possible. Work with your coach as long as you can really stay consistent and figure out how your body responds to everything and then you can start potentially looking at the timeline of events to get you to a stage and you know I could have competed last year October maybe November. We would have kind of had to push my body a little bit but I could have definitely competed regionally at least but we wanted to focus on my wedding. You know having my my wedding being the priority way over the show. You know, obviously like kind of set back as far as like the timeline of events but I would have rather have that than pushed it for a show and then came up. To the wedding and was off hormonally and mentally and wasn't healthy or anything so we prioritized the wedding so sometimes things get in the way of your competitive ah career so you gotta take that into account too and. Just comes down to having a proper coach and proper judgment from your coach and um guidance so you got to take your time It's going to take time and you got to accept that. It's a marathon not a sprint and um, when you do finally get to that stage and when you do finally win. It's going to be It's going to make every single second of effort worth it.

01:31:51.37

Paul

Um, and sometimes it is hard to get through it. There's a lot of days I don't want to train but ah, absorbing all of this information and working with my coach and and getting all the guidance I possibly can for for posing and making sure that I'm ready and truly ready when I show up is my focus right now. And that seminar was just this was just the biggest opportunity for me to do that and now I'm ready I'm August I'm going to come around and have full confidence I'm going to win that show you know so that's where we're at now and.

01:32:17.51

christophknoll

Well like well like you were saying with me too with how this you know 6 3 6 4 6 5 you know division? Well not division but grouping within the the show like. Hypothetically if I didn't break my arm I could have spent these six weeks doing a mini prep going and then do a show but like it's not worth it at this time you know like it's it's way better to spend in a year or 2 really honing my craft and building up size and toning and everything but like you were saying hypothetically I could have gone fucking.

01:32:36.79

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:32:49.22

christophknoll

Ah, week ago if I didn't have my broken hand. Um, and and that's that's and that's my whole point like hypothetical I could have and I could have matched up against the 2 3 people that are there but is it worth my time. Not really like I want to get myself to a point where it's well worth it. Not just for me. But for.

01:32:49.72

Paul

Yeah, you just you're not going to have much people competing in your class at your height. It's just yeah.

01:33:07.95

Paul

A.

01:33:08.84

christophknoll

Coach because you're not just representing yourself like yes, inherently it's selfish you're doing this for yourself. But you have your coach behind you. You might even have a team like if you have like a nutrition team or something like that behind you like there is a group of people that are behind you that you're representing and that's more So What you're. What you have to keep in mind when you are making this decision.

01:33:29.47

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's um, that's something that Mike talked about he's he's like it. This is inherently selfish and we've talked about it before and you're going to lose relationships you're goingnna. Um, you know people are gonna.

01:33:42.87

Paul

You're going to lose people. Essentially you're going to lose relationships you're going. Ah, you're going to hurt family members and stuff because of how inherently selfish this is but he was saying as much as he's lost. He's gained. So so so much more than he's ever lost and and at the end of the day too. If you're doing something like this the people around you. who do support you and who do want the best for you. Regardless of what you're doing with your body. Those are the people you want around you um, the people who get upset because you're doing what you love and the people who like I've like I've lost relationships in the past you know I'm married now. But in the past I've lost relationships because they kept asking me to stay home from the gym and. Asking me to stop doing this and stop doing that and it's like this is what I love to do? My wife has never once asked me to stay home from the gym. Sometimes she wishes I didn't have to do cardio so I can come home sooner but she's never once asked me to stay home from the gym. Um, you know sometimes she wishes you know. Like I can get home like so for work. For instance, you know when I was kind of strapped for money I was working until like 5 or whatever and then I'd do doordash for a couple hours to make up some money and then I'd go lift and I wouldn't be home until eight thirty and she'd wish I would be home sooner but that was more because of like having to do doordash to catch up on money. Then it was actually training so she's never asked me to stay home from the gym and that says a lot about our relationship and that was a big big green flag for me was that she knows that um like the gym is a priority It's not a priority over her. We can have multiple priorities in and our lives and for me the gym is one of my priorities every day.

01:35:15.79

Paul

Just like how this podcast is a priority every Sunday no matter what I'm doing I need to be able to do this podcast every Sunday morning and be able to edit it in post. Its for our listeners. It's the same kind of thing. It's it's a priority doesn't take priority over over the other things but it's still one of my priorities. The gym is one of my priorities. Ah.

01:35:33.61

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:35:34.27

Paul

And she knows that and she supports it so the people around you need to be able to understand that and ah they need to be able to accept that you're going to have a passion that's not involving them and it is inherently selfish but it teaches you. So much more about who you are and you you learn so much more about who you are mentally than you can learn from pretty much anything else and you're going to teach yourself true discipline. Ah through this, you're going to teach yourself true motivation. You're going to understand your limits with your mind and your body. So there's a lot to gain ah from you know from participating in this very abnormal sport of ours. But ah, there are things you're going to lose along the way but in a sense that that laws you're going to get is most likely going to be beneficial to you in the future so you got to keep that in mind you got to keep pushing. And there's nothing that can ever replace your discipline. Ah, that's 1 thing that I've always had is the discipline to always train no matter how bad I don't want to train but you still got to do it? Um, so.

01:36:39.43

christophknoll

The best example of that is if you look up the um, there's video of Chris Bumstend talking about this and this is you know the best of the best in the world. You know four time back to back to back to back. Oh winner talking about losing you know social. Aspects of his life to continue doing this and actually breaking down crying over it showing like that's the level of you know, heart and desire. You have to bring to this particular region of your life if you want to reach the level that he has like you can absolutely settle to be a mid-tier.

01:37:11.20

Paul

Um, if he.

01:37:13.18

christophknoll

You know bodybuilder you can absolutely do Amateur shows your whole life and there's nothing wrong with that like that is totally fine If that's what you want to do like if you want to stay in that realm like you could even stay full natty and do that like you can just do amateur shows and not touch. You know a drop of anabolics like and that's totally fine, but.

01:37:18.14

Paul

Me.

01:37:32.40

christophknoll

To continue to push yourself to the pro stage and then continuing to the higher elo echelon of what makes up the sport you have to be willing to make sacrifices and those sacrifices can be really drier dire and it can push you to the brinks and you have to be okay with that and that can be.

01:37:49.70

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:37:49.53

christophknoll

Such a mentally daunting thing and you see that even the top tier guys in the world break down thinking about it. So it's not an easy sacrifice by any by any measure whatsoever.

01:37:58.80

Paul

Not I mean look at look at like a lot of the top competitors especially those that compete in the o like cbum now lives in Florida because it's a better location for him to pursue his bodybuilding. He left his home country of Canada to do that recon grimes to the same thing he moved to Las Vegas out of Canada. So that he can compete or can lift and work with his coach milloarrkev every day and focus on the olympia. Um Nick Walker did the same thing recently he moved from Fort Lauderdale to Las Vegas so that he's closer to the yo. There's a lot of these sacrifices that these people are making so that they can better themselves for the future. Um, and that just I mean that can happen anywhere from the from the bottom to the top. Um, and I mean you like even look at like arnold he moved from Austria to Venice so that he can lift up the golds gym there like it's he did that so that he can better his bodybuilding career obviously bodybuilding. There was no money in it. They did it for the passion back then but like. Now it's like there's just so much you could possibly lose and social media is also a big aspect of it now and there's so much pressure and everything on all these guys and it's just it's tough. It's you're going to like I said it's inherently selfish and you're going to push people away by doing the sport not that you're purposely doing it but like. Focusing on yourself and doing what you need to do? Ah, you know you're not going to be really if you want to be serious about this. You're not going to be going out on the weekend's partying anymore. You're not going to be drinking. You're not going to be eating this or eating that. Um you know I went out last night and didn't have a drop of alcoholk. Well I I had a sipider to try it. But I didn't actually have a drink at all and I never drink.

01:39:34.33

Paul

Ah, my wife tells people that I don't drink when I'm out because I just don't Um, it's It's part of bodybuilding. It's um, it's gonna I mean yeah, calories alone is just all cars. But even then it's gonna affect your hormones and everything and it's like it's the worse I ingest as far as like drinks go is it' just like.

01:39:39.50

christophknoll

From from just a calorie perspective too.

01:39:53.33

Paul

0 sugar sodas really and then coffee. That's like the worst that I ingest? Um, so like that's going to help like that literally hurts relationships like it's it's hard to say no to that like of course I'd want to drink you know I love some vodka or something like that. But like you got to be able to say no and that you know. Discipline is very very difficult to maintain and it does hurt relationships. Um like in June most likely I'll be in prep and I'll be in Florida for a week and it sucks thinking about it. Um, but I'm going to have to eat what I normally eat when I'm in Florida. Ah, you know maybe I'll get a ref feed or something but like I can't drink and I I got to be on point because if I'm going to be competing in August I'll probably be eight weeks out maybe maybe ten weeks and that'll probably like the start of my prep so I need to set myself for the up for the future and all the wins that I have of eating eating individual meals.

01:40:29.94

christophknoll

Yep.

01:40:48.68

Paul

Is going to set myself up for the bigger win at the show and it it also comes down to like something to some way one way to look at it is like for me for training especially when I don't want to train is if I don't train my competition did so I'm gonna go train and I'm gonna train as hard as I possibly can ah Because. If I don't like I said my competition did and if they win because I didn't feel like training one day I'm going to feel like a piece of shit. So I'm not going to let that hold me back and that's what discipline comes down to and I hate the thing I hate the whole like idea behind needing needing to be motivated to go to the gym. You don't need to be motivated. You need to be disciplined and of course I want to be Motivated. Don't get me wrong I Always want to be motivated going to the gym but that's not going to happen. That's not the reality I'm I'm almost never motivated to go to the gym. Um, it's at this point like I Love posing. That's what I look forward to every day but lifting is like if it's not chester back I don't want to go. Pretty much is where I'm at but I go do it because I love to pose and I love to compete one day so and discipline.

01:41:53.94

christophknoll

That's why the the age old ah adage of effort beats talent every single time if you're the hardest worker in the gym. You won't lose or the hardest worker in anything. You won't lose because you have to carry that mindset with you.

01:41:57.83

Paul

If.

01:42:05.60

Paul

Yeah, the 1 thing they did say at the the seminar is that no matter who you are. There's going to be someone who's better than you. Um, and there's somebody who's going to have better genetics.

01:42:14.45

christophknoll

Yeah, but that's that's just that's just to keep a chip on your shoulder like you if you don't think that then like yeah you can think that you're the best person in the world. But if you get that it's like when Chris bombsted talks about like what do I do now.

01:42:19.93

Paul

Well.

01:42:31.26

christophknoll

Like he's one Backto Backto back to back Os and he's like what do I do now like you you you got to have that mentality even though you can have the Killer mindset you got to have the mentality that there's always an area you can go upwards to.

01:42:31.37

Paul

Man.

01:42:44.11

Paul

Almost always, there's still going to be someone better than you like Ramon Ramon even though he's number 2 at the Olympia Chris Mom says still beat him even though he's one of the best in the world. There's still somebody better than him. Um, and somebody's going to be Chris Bombststead somebody's going to dethrone him one day. Ah there's always yeah, who who knows who is going to be at what point, but there's always going be someone better than you and there's going to be someone better genetics and ah you know our hard work will get you most of the way talent won't get you all the way. Genetics won't get you all the way hard work will do most of it but you got to keep in mind that.

01:43:00.97

christophknoll

That's dino next fear.

01:43:20.32

Paul

There are going to be guys who have better genetics and there are plenty of guys who have much better genetics than me. Um, but I'm going to do everything I possibly can to get to the point where I beat them. Um, and you know that's also comes down to gaining this knowledge too like. Those who didn't attend the seminar because they felt they didn't need the knowledge from it didn't gain anything like they I was able to gain that knowledge and that's gonna better me for the future than those who felt that they didn't need to go so that shows you who wants it the most and something they also mentioned at the seminar was that the ones who wanted the. The most and the ones who truly want to win are the ones who will stay all day to get that 30 seconds to a minute with the with the judge and see what they need to improve upon um, you know sometimes these shows go really late eleven o'clock or midnight or something they say. Okay, if you're waiting all day just just head home. It's okay, but. Like some of them they end at like five o'clock and if you're done posing or done your competition at 2 or 3 wait around. You know they're like you are prepping for sixteen weeks and you're you're not going to wait around for a couple hours to hear what we have to say like guys who wait around waiting for that couple minutes with the judge to see what they need to prove upon are truly the ones that want it.

01:44:27.45

christophknoll

No.

01:44:36.36

Paul

Um, and that's why I went to the seminars because I truly want it and it took up like my entire Saturday but what's one day of a seminar that I don't get to go to ever you know like that's that's nothing. That's a drop in the bucket. So. It's it's so unbelievably worth it to gain that knowledge and safely with asking the judge those judges you know, asking the judges what you need to improve upon you waited for a few hours and a month on the road that few hours going to feel like a blip like it's going to be nothing is is's going to be so far in your rearview mirror. You're going to forget you ever waited that long. It's going to suck a time.

01:45:06.71

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:45:09.99

Paul

But you'll get you'll gain more knowledge and more value out of asking for that asking that question for a couple minutes than you ever lost for waiting around for a couple hours so those are the ones that truly want it. The ones that really absorb all the knowledge and. Something. That's the reality is a lot of pros aren't that way they don't know how carbs work or protein works or anything and they don't know how this or that works and why they're taking this or why they're eating this or whatever the more you know the more you're setting yourself up for success and almost always when my coach tells me to take something or to eat something or something I understand why. Because I've expanded I've I've tried to gain as much knowledge as I possibly can ah to understand why my body responds a specific way and I was able to even fix. Ah, serious problem that I had my gyno was a serious problem and I went to my coach and said hey I think it's my prolactin can. We adjust that somehow and he said yeah, let's do it. Let's take cabra gole and that fixed that entire situation so because of the knowledge that I gained I was able to fix something that was truly lowering my self- eseem. And confidence in every single photo I ever took and every single time I looked in the mirror I was able to eliminate that entire problem and that's just because of my knowledge that I I gained for myself. So sometimes you know you got to take the time to learn and if you don't want to take the time to learn then you're going to get beat.

01:46:36.91

Paul

Almost always and it's just the reality So Everybody who went to the seminar gained something that people who didn't go to the seminar didn't gain regardless of what your level was I mean there are plenty of pros in the audience to listen to these people they could they technically don't need it. They've already made pro. They've already essentially won what most people are aiming for. But they want to take it to the next level they want as much knowledge as they possibly can and that goes to show who truly wants it so something to keep in mind at least going forward and it it also comes out of asking questions to so many people are afraid to ask questions ah to people around them to their coach like.. That's what they're there for that's what your coach is there for to ask questions they they guide you but also like ask them hey Ah, how should I do this or what do you think of this or why am I doing this like stuff like that. They're not gonna take offense to it. Don't ask about every single. Ingredient and all the food you're eating like don't be like why am I taking this for this meal this for this meal this like there's a reason for it. But if you understand the basic idea behind everything you'll be.. You'll be set up so I'm going to keep in mind but it's.

01:47:39.34

christophknoll

Yeah I think when back when I first started with my coach I think I texted you I was like am I asking too many questions and yeah I wasn't because you know, especially early on when you just onboard and you have all this new information being thrown at you like.

01:47:48.50

Paul

No no, you're not.

01:47:56.31

Paul

Yeah.

01:47:58.77

christophknoll

You should. You shouldn't be afraid to to pick your coach's brain because they're there for a reason you're paying them for a reason and you should utilize every aspect of that and like Paul said like you don't abuse it. But you you, you certainly utilize it to its full extent.

01:48:06.80

Paul

Yeah.

01:48:11.93

Paul

Yeah,, don't be like a super burden or anything like that like don't annoy the hell out of them but also ask questions for a reason you know understand what's going on for a reason they're there to to answer those questions and that I guess that also kind of goes back to like. Whether or not your coach is a good coach because if they get upset if you ask a question about why you're taking something or why you're going to eat something then that kind of shows who they are as a person. Ah my coach never gets offended if I ask a question. Ah so like that why would he? There's no reason for him to get offended I'm just curious and why.

01:48:38.43

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:48:50.24

Paul

This is happening or why I'm taking this or whatever what the plan is kind of what the goals are so it's just something to keep in mind. Um and then also don't don't be afraid to ask for criticism from people if you have a coach ask him how you look at this or how you're doing this like send them lifting videos or. Posting videos or photos or whatever and ask for critiques and stuff because that's what they're there for if I was a coach I would be hyped to be like yeah this is what you need to fix I mean my plan one day I mean when you become an experienced bodybuilder especially on the pro level. <unk>s so many avenues you could take which is something they talked about the seminar whether you want to like own a business or become a judge or something like that I would love to become a judge and I also want to become a opposing coach one day. So if I'm becoming a opposing coach now a client that works with me on the regular and they send me a video asking a question I would be more than happy to answer that because. They're working with me and I'm working with them so you got to keep that in mind you know there's a reason they're working with you and there's a reason you're working with them. So why would you not ask questions. Why would you not want to gain that knowledge and there's so many free resources out there to gain knowledge I mean youtube alone is so unbelievably expansive for knowledge that.

01:49:58.63

christophknoll

New.

01:50:01.55

Paul

You know why not use those tools and that's exactly what this podcast is for is to provide an overabundance of knowledge I mean from what I've seen There's no other podcast out there that provides. Over an hour even of knowledge for specific topics. They'll touch on it for maybe 15 minutes to 30 minutes for an episode every few days. Not 2 hours once a week on a specific topic. You know there's there's no point where you have too much knowledge. Um, and that's kind of the foundation of us wanting to talk about this stuff and also. Like because we have this outlet here but we also are able to spread the knowledge. The the immense knowledge that you can gain from 2 hours of talking about 1 topic. You know sometimes we go on tangents for a little bit but at the end of the day I mean we're really sticking to these topics and we'd rather you be able to gain 2 hours of of content that focuses on the overarching topic rather than 15 minutes of like the key talking points and calling it a day. You know why do these key talking points work like what is it about this training split like okay here's some training splits over 15 minutes go ahead and try them out. But why do they work. What is it that works for these people. How do people adjust it. What do you do with it. You know how do you change up your sets and reps according to your split. That's the kind of stuff that you know we talked about last week so that's what you know this seminar was 4 hours was a long-ass seminar but they provided an immense amount of knowledge.

01:51:31.27

Paul

They could have done the key talking points in a half hour forty five minutes showed the posing like what proper proposing looks like and then called it but 4 hours they're able to critique and ask or answer questions and provide specific knowledge about specific things talk about the hierarchy of things. How. How things work within the ifbb. How judges see things how the points work stuff like that. It's you know why? not use that it was free. It's not costing me $300 to go. It was free like it just took time out of my day and that's well worth it and I was able to experience that posing session with Andre Ferguson where if I didn't go I would never have been able to do that I wouldn't have gone into my next. My first show with the confidence that I now have of my posing abilities. So you know you never know when you can gain true true knowledge until you gain it really? so. Utilize every single tool that you possibly can every single avenue you possibly can to gain this knowledge and you're going to set yourself up for the future. So um, that.

01:52:30.28

christophknoll

And another thing with this podcast too is like Paul and I talk for 2 hours but the 2 hours we spend each Sunday talking and recording this is miniscule to the amount of things we're saying throughout the week to different people who either. Ask us things or we give like to our friends we're comfortable giving unprompted advice to um and the the 2 hours we spend here is like nothing compared to what I'm like Paul and I are actually talking about during the week like this is literally just conversation for us because we're so used to having these talks. And that's that's kind of another reason why this works the way it does because it's such like casual conversation. Although we're throwing such heavy information sometimes at you guys, but it's just stuff that me and or Paul and I just naturally talk about already.

01:53:20.28

Paul

Yeah, and the the amount of videos and stuff like that this I've listened to and every Joe Rogan podcast where he had a bodybuilder on there value attainment also which is another video format he he was kind of like an interview is like a long interview.

01:53:22.53

christophknoll

So it works out that way.

01:53:40.20

Paul

Um, kind of a podcast now. But um I've watched countless hours of videos read countless hours of articles and all of that and studies and everything so you know 2 hours is sometimes almost like not enough for some of these topics especially like hypertur if you 1 to 1 2 hours you cannot touch on the overarching idea of hypertrophy. It's there's so much to it. it's it's difficult that's why I had that other session. The solar session for an hour talking about the difference between mil fibrillar and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy because that alone took an hour to talk about. So um.

01:53:57.64

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:54:13.96

Paul

And that's just difference between rep ranges essentially and how they work so there's so much to to know and you can literally major. You can you can get a master's and I believe a doctorate in in sports nutrition in like ah fucking physical therapy. Ah, just regular nutrition in general There's so many different avenues you could take I mean ah endocrinology you can get your doctorate in endocrinology which is simply just a study of hormones that's it and that's an eight year degree in learning how to understand the human anatomy as far as hormones goes. There's so much knowledge to be gained out there. Ah so a couple hours every week is is the minimum and like I said I mean nobody else is doing it. Nobody else is talking about these topics so immensely. Um I mean even like more place more dates. 1 of my favorite Youtube channels to watch about bodybuilding his videos are like 20 to 30 minutes long and he talks about specific topics very very very specific topics and sometimes he probably doesn't get exactly everything he wants out because it's only twenty thirty minutes so ah you know from what we can tell. Um you guys listen to pretty much the entire episode which is great. That's what we want, but. As far as this episode goes the biggest knowledge we want you to take away from this is that you need to take as much knowledge in really is every avenue you could possibly take get it and part of it also comes out of networking too like I was able to attend that seminar because of the people that I know.

01:55:45.93

Paul

You know my coach is promoting it Brooks is promoting it and sheet physique is promoting it. Ah where if I wasn't if I didn't ask a question to 1 guy. Hey. Do you know a coach nearby that I could work with if I didn't ask that question none of this with my coach would have ever have happened so networking talking to people asking questions. Ah, you know making friends connected with people social social media stuff like that ah will truly set. Yeah yourself up for the future and it'll grow. Exponentially you know that's why like I'm not worried about how many people are listening to each of our episodes because we love doing this and at the end of the day. We're going to hypothetically grow grow overtime and we'll have more of you guys listening more of you guys gain knowledge from us. But I'm not worried about it. My social media. My instagram I'm not worried about how many people are following me because hypothetically it's going to grow exponentially and that's just word of Mouth. You know. So if I have 100 followers today a year from now may have two hundred then a year after that might have 600 then Three thousand then twenty thousand like it's going to everything grows exponentially nowadays so you just got to if you put in the effort now you're going to reap the benefits even more in the future. So the more you absorb the more you understand for future advanced topics and then the more you advance advance advance advanced advance. And then you set yourself up for your pro card. You know so that's just how it is how you should look at it.

01:57:08.69

christophknoll

And I was gonna say speaking speaking of listeners I get to on an everyday basis feel positive with my interactions and molding. You know the young mind since I work as a teacher but Paul I'm gonna give you this little tidbit. You know that ah viewer count spike that we got recently.

01:57:24.21

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:57:26.72

christophknoll

Um, that is a large chunk of new students specifically young males looking for thatular outlet. So you're I mean I see them on an everyday basis. But the the once a week thing that you provide as well for them is continuing to shape the young males of.

01:57:33.84

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

01:57:46.29

christophknoll

Of the future and a lot of these kids need a physical outlet to work with so I actually was administering a vocabulary test and these kids had the airpods in and I asked them what they were listening to and they flipped it over and it was our podcast so it's ah it's pretty wild to see that we're.

01:57:48.89

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:58:01.70

Paul

That's funny.

01:58:04.44

christophknoll

Because we we were dumbfounded when we found I think it was in the first couple weeks we had a 60 plus listener tuning in and now we have sub 18 tuning in so the the branches that were that we're spreading right? now are vast and wide and that's probably the coolest part of this is that.

01:58:18.19

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:58:24.50

christophknoll

Regardless of where you are in this walk of life or in the fitness world or in the bodybuilding world. There's always something that you can take out of it and that's why we continue to do this So. It's just a little little thing to to keep in mind that you now have ah some some young males that are. Paying attention and listening and and taking things out of what we say and they they actually came up to me and they're like what's the dude's name that you talked to are you good friends with them. How what?? What's his deal and I I get to talk about you know what we do on the podcast. So It's It's a pretty wild time.

01:58:41.98

Paul

Awesome! yeah.

01:58:56.10

Paul

Yeah that's awesome. Yeah, it's it's good to hear I mean it's cool that we're reaching out to those you know to to your students and everything I mean there's no there's no age group specific that we focus on. Um I mean some of the topics that we cover especially anabolics if you're under like. 22 23 don't even touch them. But um, you know that stuff's kind of on the older side but you can apply most of what we talk about to pretty much any age group and I think the younger the sooner you get into this stuff the sooner you're you're going to set yourself up for the future I mean you see guys competing pro at 21 because they started lifting at like 13 you know they started at everything at 13 so. It's like the sooner you get started things the sooner like the better yourself setting yourself up I mean some guys like I said there's a guy who was competing at 65 like imagine where he would be right now if he started when he was 20 you know what? I mean it's like George Brown lower 40 s imagine where he would be if he started 5 years sooner than he did.

01:59:32.37

christophknoll

Yep.

01:59:43.60

christophknoll

And.

01:59:51.73

Paul

You know it's the sooner you learn all this the sooner you start the better you're going to sell yourself up for the future and you can really capitalize on that and really capitalize on your age if you can if you're young, you know under 30 really capitalize on that even under 25 really capitalize on that because not many people get to say that. You know I'm young so I'm going to be ah I'm going to go after this now. So be sure you you get on top of it and ah the sooner you enjoy it the sooner you have fun with it the better it's going to be in the future. So um, I'm hoping that we can change some lives with that.

02:00:21.22

christophknoll

Well it it. It took me by Surprise because one day I was just in my room you know working with students and I had some people call me over and they're like hey what's a suicide grip and I was like so thrown aback by it because I was you know I'm talking about English at the time.

02:00:37.40

Paul

Yeah.

02:00:39.62

christophknoll

And I get that thrown at me and I was like what are you guys talking about. They're like oh we're we're listening to ah building a bigger chest and bench pressing and you talk about suicide grip and I was like these kids crazy that it was a really good feels good moment because then I spent 5 minutes going on a tangent explaining to. An entire class. What a suicide grip is so yeah, continue to tune in guys continue to ask us questions if you see us in person feel free to send us any kind of feedback that you want but we will be back every single Sunday with.

02:00:58.89

Paul

Yeah, that's funny. That's awesome. Yep.

02:01:10.80

Paul

With. As always will always be here all alrighty see you guys.

02:01:16.70

christophknoll

Brand New content for you guys. Absolutely all right guys Bye everybody.


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