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HGH #30 - How to Reach Your Genetic Potential


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christophknoll

Welcome back everybody we're back with a brand New Week brand new episode of our good old podcast.

00:05.81

Paul

Yes, Sir Yes, sir we are back. We're back. How is the the splint now stuff figured. We talk about that.

00:15.18

christophknoll

Yeah, well put on camera so people can See. It's ah just a little ah just half hand splint and I'm able to take it off which is great I'm allowed to shower with taking it off so that's huge and it makes. You know while I'm still isolating the side of my hand that's broken um and letting it recover I'm able to actually perform regular life things again which is huge I'm able to actually put my hair in a bun when I want to now. Um I can do issues again. Um, but.

00:46.32

Paul

Are.

00:51.81

christophknoll

Still am not accessing that side of my hand or this hand in general when it comes to lifting so my lifts are still very unilaterally focused in regards to upper body movements hopefully two more weeks in this and then we're scot-free. But.

01:01.30

Paul

If.

01:11.34

christophknoll

Yeah, broken hands are not anything to joke around with though this has been the least entertaining injury I've ever had like normally I can always find some kind of you know you know Diamond in the rough or something like that. But the broken hand has been terrible. So I am.

01:17.53

Paul

A a.

01:27.14

Paul

If.

01:30.30

christophknoll

Glad that I'm not in a hard cast anymore. But even this annoys me sometimes so two weeks cannot come fast enough. Yeah I have an appointment on the oh boy. But today's the ninth. So like the seventeenth something like that. Maybe.

01:35.49

Paul

When so you you have to wear that for two weeks

01:47.00

Paul

All right? So yeah, so like pretty much one full week left and then some time of the week after all, right, that's cool.

01:49.67

christophknoll

Twentieth something I don't I forget the exact date but it's it's something like that. Yeah, exactly. So yeah and you know getting my hand to not look like a dry piece of modeled skin was also something because you know it's been in a hard cast for essentially a month two months almost so.

02:13.90

Paul

Are.

02:15.59

christophknoll

The skin was just super dry and that that took like a three day process to make it look like it wasn't dead skin. Um, and while that's not relating to lifting. It's just an added um discomfort. That's that comes with the whole injury.

02:29.69

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean you know people talk about the smell and shit after taking off casts and whatnot and I mean it. Yeah.

02:34.50

christophknoll

Mine wasn't too bad actually but that's because I'm a you know I'm pretty clean person in general.

02:44.32

Paul

Yeah I mean it can be pretty especially the bigger. The cast you know I mean my my brother had won that because he broke like think it was his arm that was like it was like close to his elbow so they had to put him in like the l-shaped cast. So went past his elbow so you couldn't bend his arm at all and that was a pretty big cast so went from his hand all the way to like.

03:04.17

christophknoll

You know.

03:04.19

Paul

The middle of his like upper arm. Um, so and from what I can remember. It was super long time ago like five or six years ago um I think maybe even longer. Ah for what I can remember. It was pretty gnarly when he took it off. He said, but um. Yeah, it was I mean that's tough I mean that one't tough because he could even bet his arm. So um, he could do like the bodybuilder flex. You know, like where you put not even know what to call it like the but the arrow like or the bow or what the hell it's called yeah, kind of like a ziz kind of thing he could do that jokingly but as about it.

03:26.44

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:37.90

christophknoll

What what was he were either you or him even into baldy building at the time I feel like five six years ago like yeah I was I was going to say. Ah.

03:39.52

Paul

Um.

03:44.80

Paul

Nope Nope No I mean it might have been like just but like you might have gotten it off probably like just before the start of me getting into the gym but that was a start let alone far enough to even know what it any of it is you know so.

03:52.29

christophknoll

Well.

03:59.28

christophknoll

Yeah, you you're saying we're not naturally born with the Ziz posed ingrained in us. Yeah.

04:01.28

Paul

Um.

04:07.90

Paul

That's ah, your ultrasound our ultrasound is just us doing the disease pose. It's not us kicking. It's us getting low and doing the Ziz pose. But.

04:16.86

christophknoll

Or it's the the Michael Harn memes where we're in the womb and there was just baby. Don't hurt me playing in the ultrasound. Ah.

04:26.48

Paul

Yeah, laying back the one I said you yesterday was the best 1 It's like um when when you find out where you build muscle while you sleep. So um, so you're so shocking the muscle and he's like he has his eyes closed and he's like inclined benching on smith.

04:40.52

christophknoll

Ah, yep.

04:42.17

Paul

Shocking the muscle while sleeping that was one of the best ones I was like Wow the the creativity behind that was ridiculous.

04:48.74

christophknoll

Sir your total will be a one hundred seventy two thousand three hundred eighty two dollars me no thank you? Yeah, those memes have gotten really out of control.

04:55.76

Paul

Hit double it given to the next person. Yeah as a good meansmes. Yeah yeah, they've gotten real deep so you're under arrest today me no thanks have a good day. It is just showing him posing. Baby don't hurt me is it? Yeah I he was due to um, there's like put your hands behind your head or something and he's doing like a most muscular. Ah, it's like dude this is ridiculously creative I love it like that's so funny.

05:13.86

christophknoll

Yeah Sir put your hands up zizzes.

05:28.97

christophknoll

Does does he know these memes are and are like happening.

05:30.42

Paul

Never even like never could have thought of that. Oh yeah, he's got to. He's got to and speaking of that actually I saw a video from Greg dusette. Apparently he's doing like some sort of like t r t road or something like like. Ah, some sort of like um lifestyle video thing involving t r t ah because he's like sponsored by anhrtclinic now. Ah, but he also still says that he's natural. He's just he's just explaining what other people go through on tr t I like dude.

05:57.25

christophknoll

You know.

06:09.38

christophknoll

Um, that's that's that that that's I don't know what to say anymore.

06:09.94

Paul

And understand anymore.

06:15.42

Paul

Yeah, it just doesn't like it I don't know it's almost like I don't know if it's like delusion or something but like Greg just said was talking about it I watch it for a couple minutes I couldn't take it anymore because I'm like this is just absolutely ridiculous. Um.

06:27.13

christophknoll

Me me thinking how I look when I pull up to my crush. It's him riding on the horse shirtless me me I'm schizophrenic and I'm in a wheelchair.

06:34.44

Paul

Yeah legit. He yeah yeah, they're all good. Memes. But um, yeah, that's the newest news from him least recently that show or movie. Whatever the hell he's filming. Um, he's got to get like. Apparently like as dice as he possibly can and he's 54 years old like dudes on tons of shit but he's like oh I don't even take t r t like either. What's the point of taking t r t and Kenny Kao is like oh like you can't or if.

06:52.91

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

07:06.86

Paul

You know as you grow older as a man your your your test is going to drop and he's like all wrong. He's like there's just wrong. No no like it's like ah um.

07:14.33

christophknoll

Imagine imagine saying just the words wrong to a proven statistic. You're fired.

07:23.10

Paul

Yeah, he has like Trump wrong fake news. Yeah foid yeah so he was just like no, that's wrong. He's like that's not true. Ah so it just it. It just gets deeper deeper. But I think of like the donkey from family guy. When he's like arguing about who's in a movie and he's like no no, no, no he all he all like that's what I imagine him being like when people are like trying to tell him he's on he's on gear he's like no no he um off he just like starts like like doing the fucking noise that donkeys make whatever you want to call it.

07:56.20

christophknoll

Well if he wasn't on gear then he's got some incredible genetics which leads us into today's top squize.

07:57.88

Paul

But.

08:04.69

Paul

Perfect transition. Yeah, that was that was totally seamless. Um, yeah, we figured just a good ah a good topic today would be especially with like the current state of ah social media would be like kind of how do you know? if you've even reached to like your genetic genetic potential like what is it.

08:21.94

christophknoll

Oh.

08:24.69

Paul

What does it take like what do you need to look out for um, you know, different aspects of genetics that will kind of play a role and be like yo. You're kind of you're kind of as far as you possibly can get and for most people it's as far as than you think I think especially if you're not going to be bodybuilding. Um. Your genetic potential is is way farther than you think especially the older you get the older you get the stronger you're going to get you know there's dudes who have been natural their whole life and in their forty s and just wrapping 3 plates on a bench just because they've been consistent for 25 years in the gym and.

08:58.24

christophknoll

Ah.

09:03.38

Paul

They're they're doing 3 plays for 10 on Bench. You know what? I mean um and this jet just dense as fuck Muscle. You know they could stop training for months and that shit would still sit so you never know your genetic potential. Um. And then even if you do reach your genetic potential maintaining. It is is also another another ballgame as Well. I mean um, most lifestyle people most lifestyle clients of coaches. That's their goal is to get to their genetic potential essentially and then just kind of maintain from there which. I Mean it's its own complex thing going on maintenance is is pretty complex. People don't really think it is but it can be definitely. Um.

09:42.70

christophknoll

I mean I'm I'm living proof that that ah upkeep is is difficult with the broken hand and everything just trying to maintain what I have until I get out of the cast like I'm walking proof.

09:53.31

Paul

Yeah, that's difficult too because you can't train one side really your upper body. So it's even harder for you to go through that. But yeah, it's interesting because with with today's social media. So many guys are like.

09:57.81

christophknoll

Yeah.

10:11.43

Paul

Oh I think I just kind of reached my genetic potential and I want to take like t rt or kind of start on some trt to gain some more muscle or whatever and it's like 1 you haven't reached your genetic potential. Um, and 2 you're too young and 3 like it doesn't just you're not just going to start trt that's not what's going to happen. Let's be honest. Like you're going to It's a snowball it's going to snowball you're going to 1 minute you're taking trt you know you're taking like one hundred fifty megs a week or something like that injecting into your delts or glutes. Whatever it is. You're doing then all of a sudden a month later, you're doing your own blaxit cycle. You know? So it's like it escalates real fucking fast because people don't take into account. Um, you know the mental side effects of things and the way it makes you feel for the most part I've talked about it before it doesn't really affect me mentally to too much. Um, there are days that it really gets to me Friday it really got to me. Ah, personally so my anger was just through the roof and I just saw red all day no matter what I did so like you never like you never know how your body's go be affected by the shit. So just taking trt even though you're like oh I'm just going to take t r team just do that your mind on t r t is going to be very different than your mind without it. So.

11:09.57

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

11:25.40

Paul

Um, no, you're gonna be saying oh yeah, I'll take it. But then once you're on it. You're gonna be feeling good. You're go be feeling strong and be feeling like like you know a hundred bucks and then your mind might kind of convince you to be like yo I just hop on like a full cycle. You know it's what's the worst that's going to happen to me on trt and then you hop on a full cycle of like. 500 test or whatever and then all of a sudden you start building guy now you start holding onto water. You feel like shit your act goes up and then all of a sudden you're like well I don't know what to do now. This is not par for the course and then you fucked your whole body. The rest of your life something to take into account too is that.

11:55.48

christophknoll

Yeah.

11:59.82

Paul

People talk about like liver King for instance and be like oh he's natural now. He's not taking anything. You're never yeah, you're never the second you take anything you're no longer natural for the rest of your life I've mentioned it before but you're never gonna be natural again and that's a reality. So.

12:01.88

christophknoll

Oh my god.

12:16.58

Paul

If you go to go down that road you got to know that and I think if you go down that road you should at least know where your genetic potential lies. Um, some people have amazing genetics naturally and are better off without shit. But then there are some people who have terrible genetics naturally. And just respond really really well to anabolics I'm one of those people. Um my genetics are garbage. We went as far as we could with my natural genetics and we're like all right. It's fine. Ah, it's time to see um what happens if I just hop on a little bit of test and I just everything clicked everything clicked for me. Was making gains losing fat gaining muscle was just all I needed so you never know and knowing when to take that risk is a huge part of the process obviously proper guidance is important. But knowing your genetic pen tenential is huge and 99% of guys who hop on gear don't know their genetic potential. They don't even come close. It's going to take multiple plateaus is going to take multiple years to get there probably like 11 years at least so the sooner you start the better but knowing your genetic potential is is half the battle. You know it's it's it takes a while.

13:25.51

christophknoll

And I think another thing that a lot of people don't factor into the equation when they do start having these conversations about hopping on whether it's well just any anabolic for that matter is that you have to have your diet and your workout routine dialed in before you should even sniff at.

13:43.17

Paul

Here may.

13:44.93

christophknoll

Considering you know, hopping on anything because that is 100% part of you know maintaining as you go because if your diet's whack and you're just eating whatever like there's nothing for the anabolics to do because you don't have your proper macros flowing through your system.

13:58.13

Paul

Right.

14:01.11

christophknoll

Um, so like whenever I have people that come up to me and ask me you know, just workout tips in general like most common one I get is how do I lose weight I say don't even worry about the gym. What's your diet look like just it. It doesn't matter at that point like you can lose all the weight you want strictly from diet and maintaining like a.

14:14.49

Paul

Are.

14:20.38

christophknoll

Super casual. You know, couple couple cardio a week with like 1 lifting day a week and just do that if your diet's locked in you'll be losing or gaining. Um, but yeah, so when you when people are talking about this whole hopping on gear. Type conversation. They need to have everything locked in before they can even think about you know, actually doing it so that's why like right now I'm talking with my coach like we're nowhere near it because I can't lock in the diet like even though you know workout wise we're doing pretty well and things were starting to really click.

14:46.94

Paul

Fifth.

14:55.24

christophknoll

I'm just nowhere near the consistency I need to with my diet so we're just nowhere near that. But granted I'm still very early on in the process like I'm only a year year well lifting is about 3 years and now at this point but with coach it's about half a year now.

15:12.18

Paul

When did you start again wasn't it like October or something november.

15:12.76

christophknoll

Coming up on half a year I'll say talking to him then but I didn't pick him up until January so right now in the fourth month.

15:22.98

Paul

Yeah, okay for me I was working with a coach previously before my coach now we're just kind of like lifestyle stuff and lifting pretty consistently for a few years kind of built a good foundation for form really is what I got out of it. But um. For me it took I think it was seven months of strict dieting and really hardcore lifting and cardio before we hopped on anything. Um and we only did when I did because.

15:52.73

christophknoll

Yeah.

15:59.21

Paul

Were at the point where I was like okay I feel like I'm not making any gains I think we kind of like to get to where I want to go I think we need to start this now. Um, and it was my coach's idea and he was like I'm comfortable knowing kind of where your body's at and I think that we should just try something to see how your body responds to it. Um. And then ah it kind of started from there so it was October I started with him and then April was my I think my first dose of test. Um, which is pretty yeah yeah, 11000 of whatever the fuck he was taking whatever it was.

16:25.80

christophknoll

And now you're on $11000 a month like Liver King is yeah.

16:38.27

Paul

Way overpriced, but um, yeah, no so ah now I'm going to be prepping for my first show very very soon and should be at the point where it's a matter of who's going to win second is kind of like the approach that we're going to take with the show. It's it's not.

16:52.79

christophknoll

Yeah.

16:55.23

Paul

We're not going to go for the class when we're going to go for the overall is where we're gonna be at so just gotta get dialed in. But yeah, so so to what I was saying was that um, my first cycle was seven months in and like I said everything clicked and I'm blessed to have responded the way that I do um to anabolics because. Most people don't really respond that well um, as far as like building muscle losing fat. All that people respond well but the the side effects um are going to vary drastically from person to person I'm blessed to not have too many side effects and and something also people don't take into account is that some people respond like. Terrible to anabolics. Um, some guys will be natural and they look amazing. The second they take anabolics their body just deteriorates. Um, you know you you never know what's gonna happen and I think more place more davis is talking about it recently I think he's talking about how? um. You know there's plenty of cases where you take anabolics and it takes you to the next level and everything clicks and then there's guys who take anabolics and it just their entire physique goes of shit and he's done videos on the on on the latter um talking about you know like horror stories from shit and and a lot of the time. What's kind of normalized in social media as well is the harshest shit out there that like most bodybuilders and coaches will be like yeah, it's really not worth the risk. 1 of them is trend. Obviously there's jokes out there that you know tread is like all you gotta take to build you know to get.

18:29.78

Paul

Fucking crazy and whatnot. Oh easily? Yeah, easily um aius one of them out there. There is dozens of anabolics you can take but trying is just one of them and trend is like 1 of the harshest is very very damaging to your liver. Um, it.

18:31.27

christophknoll

Tren is probably the one I see the most memes about.

18:42.79

christophknoll

Yeah.

18:47.80

Paul

And it really fucks with you mentally? um, most guys who are on trend just like it's it's called so let me put it this way then another nickname in the community for is the relationship killer because when you're taking it. You get extremely paranoid. So whoever you're with you automatically think they're cheating on you like there's no evidence of it or anything you just have this paranoia like they're like she's cheating on me like that's the paranoia and then you also got like the side effects of like thinking that people are out to get you and people are trying to fight you. So you start a lot of guys on trend will just start right? Am mass fights with people who had nothing no beef with them. You know I mean it's just the shit that happens and then acting on top of that. It's wild like this shit is wild. Um, and so it's usually just not even worth it. Yeah, you get big and you get shredded because it's an alpha nine nor but. On top of taking that you're going to also have to take prolactin or not prolactin um caber goaling to fight your prolactin build up you canno have to take an ai to help fight your estrogen buildup. Um, you're gonna have to take in tons of water because well you're going to be holding onto a lot of water as well. So mean it's it's everything Atabolic is a double edgeed sword you know on 1 side you got.

19:56.39

christophknoll

Yeah.

19:59.33

Paul

The gains you can be making the other side is going to be the side effects. So um, yeah trend is just like like the trend twins for instance like I get that it's like marketing and they're kind of appealing to different audiences and whatnot. But it's like.

20:09.58

christophknoll

And there's a hundred percent some sponsorships make mixed in there.

20:14.19

Paul

Oh yeah, yeah, they're making money off it for sure. But it's like you're you're promoting one of the harshest like anabolics out there. You know and and and most guys don't even need to take it. You know most guys like could use something else and and every single time. I will say this as less is more less is more or less is more and that goes for anything. You know if you're training way too much and you're not making gains. What are you going to do. You're going to train more. No, that's just not feasible. Less is more you know train less but eat more protein. For instance, you know if you're doing too much cardio but not losing the fat you want to lose then maybe cut back on the cardio or um, increase the lifting or like you know decrease your calories if you have that? um you talk to a lot of bodybuilders. Ah, a lot of the worst phases we go through is recom phases because a recomp is recomposition so we are trying to fix our composition of our body so that would be like after a bulk you do like a so like a fourweek harsh cut to like get your fat down while maintaining muscle. So that way you you get a better overall composition of your physique and then you start your next phase because you want to start phases with with ah with a clean slate essentially so you know people will be doing the same thing for four or five years and hitting all these plateaus and shit it's like dude you're you're really pushing your body you're eating too much. You're training too much It's just.

21:41.43

Paul

You need to kind of take a step back and and reevaluate and that's what thesecoms are for so you know less is more and you know you don't want to overdo it if you're trying to go for a specific goal. You know so you got to really evaluate that and that's why coach comes into play I think.

21:54.55

christophknoll

Well, it's like when you you can compare it to like a computer. So like if you have a computer program that's not running like let's say it. It works and then it just like stops working you reset your computer like there's where you restart the computer or you like.

22:06.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

22:10.89

christophknoll

Uninstall the program and then reinstall it or something like that you but you make a change is the point being and that's the point that Paul is making here is that like when you're hitting these plateaus or just not seeing the gains that you want to see in the gym you have to change it. You can't just hold on to the mentality that. If I continue to push through this something will change like land like you said that having the coach does help like an example I'll throw out there is like when everything went down with my hand I texted he was one of the first people I texted and I I just told him everything and he said all right? let's.

22:45.28

Paul

Um, it has.

22:46.58

christophknoll

Take the likes rest on it tonight and we're gonna reevaluate everything tomorrow and by the morning when I hit him up. He had an entire plan for like how I was going to maintain how I was going to continue to grow like legs specifically because legs I can still crush right now and we adapted to the situation.

22:50.10

Paul

Um, yeah.

23:05.60

christophknoll

And you know if you're in a situation where you've been working out for like a year and you're not seeing any or you're not seeing the changes that you want to see at that point in your lifting career talk to someone in the professional field and have them give you that little bit of insight or pick up a full-time coach and have them just. Dial it in with you because they will make the changes um and you need to you should be making changes anyways, even if you're not plateauing just because that's how we stay. Ah, you know on our toes in the gym because so many of us fall into the routine of okay, it's Monday this is what I'm doing.

23:28.64

Paul

Um, now.

23:42.88

christophknoll

I' gonna do the exact same exercises and everything I think Paul you you made a post about it if you go into leg day and don't do something different every day you failed your leg day or something like that.

23:54.60

Paul

It was um if you don't if you go into your leg day and don't do what you don't want to do you failed So I always go into my leg day doing what I don't want to do I'll look at the machinery and like that sucks and I'm like fuck now I got to do it like that's that's my mindset is like you like consistency is key. Absolutely.

23:57.75

christophknoll

Yeah.

24:12.37

Paul

I Think that like for that example, what I mean is like I'll go into the gym and I'll be like like every single leg day I have basically the same structure. It's some sort of like leg curl to warm up my hams and then I go into some sort of squat that's Quad focusedcused. Then I go into some sort of like press that's glute focused then I go into some sort of straight day straight leg Dead Liftft or or like ah like a bandaid squat for Hams again and then I go into a leg extension. So. There's always some sort of similarity from each leg day. But sometimes I'll do like a hack squat if I don't feel like doing that ah or ah like if I don't feel like putting the weight on my back I'll do a barbell squat you know whatever I don't feel like doing is what I end up doing ah for that variation of that movement. So consistency is going to be very very key for reaching your.

24:58.38

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:07.60

Paul

Ah, genetic potential but you need to take into account that like change is good. You know change is going to shock your body. Um, you don't want too often of change. You'd want to be lifting differently every single time you lift. Ah, right now pretty much every single workout I do is just about the same besides like day. Um. But I'm going to do that until probably when I'm off this cycle and moving on to the next then I'll change it up. Um, so you know you got to find what works for you and like we keep saying like consistency consistency consistency but also knowing when to change something is also part of consistency like. When you know like okay I've been doing this long enough now. My body's going to start kind of like plateauing a little bit when you start hitting that you need to know like what you're looking out for you know you need to know your body at that point and then you can start changing things. So um. Was kind of me switching gyms that why I was excited to switch gyms a couple months ago was like I can start changing things up again. Um, so you need to know that as well. Your food's got to be consistent. Everything's got to be consistent and then making minor tweaks here and there depending on what your body needs and. Another misconception, especially if you're newer is when you're going for lifestyle bodybuilding. Whatever it is um, a lot of people think that when you're bulking versus when you're cutting is gonna be 2 different meal. Plans completely is not the reality when you're bulking when you're cutting or in a recom.

26:35.16

Paul

You're really having the same food as usual, just different quantities of it. Yeah exactly it's just different quantities and like when people say um, even another aspect to that is like when you enter prep it's not like you're four thousand calories and then all of a sudden your two thousand calories when you start prep.

26:37.37

christophknoll

It's just less or more. Yeah.

26:53.00

Paul

It's like your four thousand calories and then you're like 30 800 you know it's like you just barely lower it or like you don't even a lot of bodybullders don't even know when they're fully in prep and then the coach would be like oh yeah, you've been at it for three weeks it's like prep isn't really what people think it is. It's not.

26:57.26

christophknoll

Nope.

27:08.86

Paul

I mean depending on the bodybuilder like somebody like Lee priest. Yes, he needs to know when his prep starts because he put on so much fat in between shows because he would bulk so much to put on the muscle to start his prep. He needed to start way out and he needed to do a harsh as fuck to lose all of the water and fat he put on but that's a rare case.

27:23.94

christophknoll

Yeah.

27:27.75

Paul

Ah, typically people's bodies. Don't agree with that. Um, so for like lifestyle um, what you're going to see a lot is people wanting to look good for like the beach in the summer or something like that. So let's say we're talking about new england because I know we got a lot of us listeners but also a lot of ukla to which is kind of similar to new england weather. So. Let's say we're talking about you know your your summer. Yeah we we won in 1776 sorry england that's why we're able to put the new in front of england up there in the Northeast. Um, but so let's say we're talking about that.

27:47.28

christophknoll

Except were except we're the newer and better england.

28:05.42

Paul

For instance, um, when new england summer it's like really the war months are like June like beginning may may end of may beginning of June to like end of August beginning of September that's really when it's warm. Ah. September it starts kind of dipping down a bit and then october it's officially like cold. You're not can go to the beach in October really unless it's like a fluke day but let's say we're talking about new england so let's say you really got like three months let's just say you have three months out of the year to be like this is when I want my beach body to look good. So.

28:22.11

christophknoll

Ah.

28:40.35

Paul

Let's say you want to be you want to look good starting June right? So what you're gonna want to do is you want to time it properly. So it's gonna once you once you are able to figure out your timef frameme. You can obviously adapt it. But basically what you want to do is let's say you're just going for lifestyle you're like all right I just want to. You know feel comfortable in some board shorts or whatever maybe a little bit of visible abs or something maybe some vascularity. Whatever it is um so what you're going to want to do is really probably like maybe March potentially kind of start like weaning down on the calories. Ah. So that you can move your way into June but the thing is is you don't want to be like you don't want to be going so harsh on your body that cutting is going to be like very very difficult. You know you don't want to be already so low calorie that like to cut is going to be hard or like doing already tons of Cardio. So. You should really be introducing cardio probably like that. March for instance, um to lose weight cardio is good for overall health but to introduce cardio to help lose some fat most likely March do it a half hour maybe 4 or 5 times a week. Um. Going into obviously all the way down to June you shouldn't really need to change your cardio up that much and then just every week maybe drop like fifty ish calories if you're let's say you're at like thirty thousand like three thousand calories thirty Thousand Calories Jesus three Thousand calories ah you know dropping maybe fifty calories a week or something like that.

29:58.12

christophknoll

He.

30:04.99

Paul

Or like a hundred calories a week if you really wanted to go or actually wait so we got twelve weeks yeah so do like one hundred fifty calories a week maybe two hundred calories a week actually not 200 maybe like 10050 um, depending on your body obviously depends on where you're at. But really, you want to get down to probably about two thousand calories ah week or sorry a day by the time June rolled around. Yeah a week. Um two Thousand calories a day by the time June rolls around for most guys in the gym that's gonna be a pretty harsh cut like you're gonna be kind of depleted at that point. But then when June rolls around and you're ready to start going to the beach and feeling good about.

30:24.15

christophknoll

A week my god

30:42.17

Paul

Your body in the summer that's when you just start maintaining. Basically you should probably be taken in maybe like give or take twenty seven fifty to three thousand calories depending on your weight and all that and then maybe introducing some you know restaurant meals here and there you know maintenance is going to be much easier than a cut but maintaining that and still training. During the summer it's gonna be important and then when the summer is over That's when you do kind of like a recompmp you kind of give your body a couple weeks rest maybe don't train to the gym eat kind of eat, not necessarily whatever you want but eat healthy. Um, you don't have to eat really your meal plan and then that's when you kind of do like a slight bulk after that you know, maybe 2 300 calorie surplus bulk putting on some weight and then you start your cut again in March so that's typically what like like a lifestyle kind of meal plan training style would look like obviously bodybuilding is a whole No the ballgame because we want to be. As low body fat percentage as we can for one day so it's a different It's a different world but for a lifestyle. That's what you're kind of looking at so to understand like what your body responds to to look the best it can in summer is gonna be key and that's where consistency comes in. You know if your body responds better to sweet potato then ah. I don't know russet potato then you do that if your body responds better to white rice for zire rice. Do that your body responds to white meat better than red meat. Do that if your body doesn't like beef but it likes bison do that you know so like all these consistency things. There's consistency things are going to play a role going into this lifestyle.

32:13.85

Paul

Cycle essentially a food and training so something to keep in mind because everybody kind of neglects like you know oh I want to drop all this weight in two months for the beach and it's like that's not really the way you should be doing it and we see it every year on Facebook Instagram whatever everybody's doing this like really hard cut and. Going to the gym. A lot people who don't go to the gym go to the gym a lot all of a sudden and then you know everybody's like trying to eat as healthy healthy as they can and it's just not it's not sustainable you know you you can't just go cold turkey on life like that. So be consistent.

32:42.67

christophknoll

Well, that's why people? that's why the the new year new year's resolution is such a popular thing because that's january and that's about six months or five months out from when you want to be looking as diced as you can so that's I mean obviously the new year resolution

32:50.99

Paul

Um, yeah.

32:54.46

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

33:00.38

christophknoll

Happens and that's a big reason why too. But the reason why you know some people will stick it out from that is because you know you're building up into those what are called the fun months basically where you get to. You know, be outside and be looking as good as you can um and you heard Paul say like ah. How your body reacts certain things. You won't know how your body reacts to certain things unless you have that consistency. That's a big thing to note too like you can't like you you need to eat this. You know your meal plan for. Ah.

33:25.20

Paul

Right.

33:34.20

christophknoll

Probably a good month before you can start to really understand if your body is reacting well or not to it. Um, like for me something that I used to do prior to having a coach is that my Saturdays would be just eat everything and anything I could find and it was a dirty. Eat kind of day too. So I would eat like you know fast food and dominoes and stuff like that and ah I have not I hadn't eaten it ever since I picked up my coach and then about a couple weeks back I went and I ate dominoes and my body completely rejected it like I felt sick I was on the bathroom for.

33:53.60

Paul

Are.

34:08.63

christophknoll

Was in the bathroom for a good hour after the fact and my body just flushed it out right away because it was like this is not what we want and that's the kind of reaction you will get when you find um foods that you either enjoy or don't enjoy like ah your your body will.

34:26.11

Paul

Um.

34:27.47

christophknoll

You know more or less attuned to the foods that it wants to So. That's why you need to get the consistency before you can even make those decisions like if you just say oh I don't like this food because you don't like it. But in reality it's probably the best thing for your body and your body would react really well to It. You just have to fight through it like you. Eating things. You don't enjoy eating for the results is kind of what gym Maturity will look like because you you accept the fact that you want to achieve these particular you know gains whether it's lifestyle or bodybuilding and you just eat whatever it is that you need to be eating not what you want to be eating.

34:54.21

Paul

Cf.

35:06.80

christophknoll

And that's kind of a big part of it.

35:06.44

Paul

Right? right? Yeah I mean it's It's tough I mean it, you know you can make your food taste good. Um, and sometimes you can kind of tweak out food that you you don't like ah you know if you you know if you don't like broccoli but you like spinach or something like. You can do it that way. But for me, it's like I can't stand in sweet Potato. So like that's a hard one for me. Um I like it when you douse it in butter and cinnamon and shit like making it really sweet but like outside that or make it like fries like sweet potato fries are good but like just regular straight sweet potato. It's just not really for me. Um. Just don't really like it So It's like there are things you can kind of tweak a little bit if you work with your coach. But for the most part, a lot of food that our bodies respond Well to isn't exactly the tastiest. Ah. Which kind of sucks. But it's just the world that we live in. You know it's we're so we're so accustomed to eating food that tastes good if you get to the point where like like anybody talk to any any bodybuilder who's ever been on a harsh cut like C bummed did a video about it like he would put if he has like muster on his food towards like the end of his cut like For. Or the end of his prep for a show. He talks about how amazing it tastes. He's like this tastes So So Good. It's because he's so used to like plain ass food that putting on a sauce like that is just next level. But it's because we're so used to all these different flavors and seasonings all the time that eating something playing and boring or just not tasting good.

36:37.41

Paul

As usual taste like shit and it's just you got to get to you got to get it down to a point where your body doesn't crave as much stuff as it normally does you know candy and Chocolate's my hardest thing is what I crave all the time but to get off that craving you just just can't have it. You know you got to get over the three day hump. Essentially of craving foods and then you get there but it's tough man. It's hard but getting that consistency in there is what's going to separate you? um.

37:03.73

christophknoll

I Think Candy is the the toughest one for every single person because everybody eats so much sugar in their regular day like well when I say everybody I mean people who don't have their diets locked in eat sugar so much in and and like a given day that.

37:14.98

Paul

Right.

37:21.26

christophknoll

Candy doesn't even like real like most people don't realize how much sugar is in that and or same like with regular sodas like they're not realizing how much sugar they're intaking. So when we say like cut out all sugar like in theory. That's such an easy thing to say but for some people it is so tough because they don't even realize how much they're intaking.

37:24.77

Paul

Are.

37:40.79

christophknoll

Like people need to realize how much is in like a can of Coke like it is wild.

37:44.59

Paul

Yeah, it's insane. Yeah I um I sat down to eat the other day and I I drink some coke zero here and there I have like these bottles of it and whenever I feel like having one I'll have it. It's not often. It's like every like four or five days I'll have a coke zero but when I wot one I really really want one. So.

37:59.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

38:02.36

Paul

I sit down I grab one I start drinking it I'm like a few steps in and I sit down on the couch after I'm done eating and my wife's like are you are you drinking my Coke I look and I'm like it was the regular coke. It wasn't a coke here I'm like no wonder why I felt so good like literally one step and I'm like oh.

38:14.80

christophknoll

Ourn how.

38:20.34

Paul

Like it felt so good like it just what like it just like washed everything away. It was the weirdest feeling I thought it just because like it tasted really good. So was like this is this is great. But then I was like always the corn syrup in there that like makes you feel that way it sucks. Um, that is like that. But it's easier to hit like like a salt craving.

38:21.38

christophknoll

Ah, the other.

38:31.20

christophknoll

Knee up.

38:39.59

Paul

It's really easy to get that in like I have pickles like anytime I feel like having chips or something I'll just have a pickle and it's like oh this shit's so good like I love pickles I could crush a jar in a day like no problem and they're essentially like zero calories

38:52.86

christophknoll

That's more or less my go to snack. Yeah, that's I just I keep a jar pickles in the in the fridge and that's like when I just want like just a little something I just eat one like I'm in agreement with you Pickles are are a top tier move.

39:02.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah, they're so good. They're so so good and if you put them on like a but like a sandwich or something that just takes it to the next level. But um.

39:10.53

christophknoll

You can tell where you can tell where 2 people invest in the gym world because here we are talking about pickles.

39:18.83

Paul

Yeah, like like um, you get like cause we get this like this like healthy popcorn right? that comes in a bag and if you have like a couple pieces of that with like the seesail on it. It's like ah ah, it's like it's so good. But that shit's so addicting. Um, but yeah, when it comes to sweets. It's it's really hard to hit that. That's why like I drink a lot of like ah energy drinks and stuff because it's sweet and it kind of tides over that that itch I was working yesterday for a couple hours and like I was etching to have something sweet. You know it was just like it's literally like a craving. It's like it's like. Your body has withdrawals when you have when you have something sweet at least for me so like just going getting like a 0 calor energy drink or something and just sipping that like it'll last me four or five hours but just having something to sip on whenever I have that craving for something sweet well is just is just amazing, but it's it's hard. It sucks. Um. When your buking is different because sometimes you can kind of get away with certain things or you know have a refeed here and there um there are points where at least for me didn't it didn't last not long but um, being able to have a weekly refeed. That's hard. Um, or that's great I mean it's hard to get there where you can have a weekly refeed and afford it. But um, it's not often that I'm able to do that. Ah, but I mean it is what it is and and now we're getting to the point where I'm starting getting ready for a show and and I think I'm kind of I think I'm going to be ready for my prep when I do start it because um, I'm ready to get diced I've never really gotten super super diced. So.

40:54.17

Paul

I'm ready to see what my actual muscular physique looks like and I'm ready to lose this baby. So I'm ready to push it I'm just gonna suck because I got a week trip in Florida in June so I'm gonna be in in prep during that and everybody knows that who's going I'm like guys'm gonna be in prep I literally cannot eat anything out.

40:58.72

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

41:05.48

christophknoll

Ho who.

41:11.71

Paul

Like I'm gonna have to eat everything I pack. Um, obviously down there I'm gonna have to also cook as well and cook my meal plan and shit. But um I'm gonna try to pack what I can I'm I'm considering cause they're gonna be driving some considering packing a bunch of my meals and putting it in a um cooler like I did last year.

41:20.35

christophknoll

Yeah.

41:31.15

Paul

A couple years ago and during in their car for them to drive down to Florida for me so that I'm hoping.

41:35.99

christophknoll

Well a lot a lot of what we eat during a day you can like just eat cold too like out of a cool like hypothetically like chicken and rice you can pound that cold like there's no problem with that.

41:42.36

Paul

Yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah I'm it's just it's just more so like it lastingly tripped down there because it's like a nine and half 10 hour drive so

41:53.65

christophknoll

Yeah, you got a good enough cool like just throw bag of ice in there. You'll be fine.

41:58.90

Paul

yeah yeah I got I'm probably go to get like a cheap foam cooler or something like that and just try to prep as much as I can um if not the whole week or more what I what I'm goingnna try to do I think we're gonna be down there for 6 or seven days so we're gonna try to do is get like 8 or nine days prepped so I have extra just in case something happens.

42:01.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:17.85

Paul

Um, or a spill it or something like that I can grab another but um, that's a plan right now. Ah so it's going to be. It's gonna be hard. It's going to suck you know, being in Florida and being on prep and stuff but also at the same time I feel like I'm I'm hoping to be at the point where I feel good about how I look you know which is going to be hopefully where I'm at.

42:35.15

christophknoll

Yeah, and all of that kind of you know everything? we've talked about over the past you know half hour so that all builds up into what you can try and achieve naturally because you have to when when even thinking about that conversation of gear you have to have this conversation that we've had.

42:36.76

Paul

But we'll see that's gonna take some time but.

42:54.47

Paul

Are.

42:54.73

christophknoll

Just now about all your dieting needs your workout routine and everything and um, like Paul said way earlier on like a lot of people just got frustrated and that's when they start talking about hopping on gear which is the dumbest thing that you can do like. Getting frustrated just a part of the gym like we train we literally train to failure or you should train to failure every single day so you should be getting frustrated and so when you so even start thinking about talking about gear or anything like that. It shouldn't be out of frustration. It should be out of a naturals point. Um. And this is me just kind of bringing it back to the conversation. But what was it like for you when you were because I know you probably had it in your mind well before your coach brought it up. So what was it like balancing either.

43:48.49

Paul

Um.

43:51.45

christophknoll

Resisting asking about it asking about it or like dropping hints or was there anything that went into that because I know for sure you had been thinking about it prior to him bringing it up.

44:02.75

Paul

Yeah, so well I so I talked to him originally and um, you know he's he was at the point in still is today where he my coach will only work with people. He wants to work with um so he had to kind of vet me he had to you know we had like a. Forget what it's called a um basically like a phone call where we see where we both sit and what I'm willing to do and you know what he's willing to put into it stuff like that um a consultation kind of basically um and kind of see where we're at and. That was kind of where the expectations were set on both of us I was like you know I'm willing to do what it takes and I want to get to pro and I'd love to be able to live off it or at least have it pay for itself. Um, and I know that that's going to take anabolics and I'm okay with that. Um and I kind of I was like the really the biggest thing for me is I don't want to be taking a ton of years off my life. And I also want to be able to have kids one day and you know knowing what I know now it's it's not a problem having kids one day because sometimes people there's there is a kind of like I guess viewpoint behind anabolics that you can't have kids once you hop on stuff but that's not the reality. Ah you can do. Pul psychotherapy and get off anabolics and all but and your your test he's gonna be producing just as normal when you're on anabolics. It's it's very hard to have kids because your your testes are shut down so you're not really producing really any sperm honestly. Um.

45:31.30

Paul

So it's it's difficult to have kids while you're on shit but during pct when you're off. It's fine. So I know that now. But at the time I didn't so like you know as long as I can have kids I don't want to take too many years off my life I want to live you know a pretty long life if I can um and ah you know want to be healthy with it too. I think health is. Is very important I don't want to kill myself with it and he was kind of in the same boat and I was like you know I know this is a marathon not to sprint I know it's gonna if there's not gonna be you know instant gratification on others just gonna be times where I don't like my physique or I'm gonna feel weak or tired or whatever and I'm okay with that you know it sucks but it's part of the game and you know. He agreed and you know he he kind of set the expectations and then um, we're like I think we did like a pretty harsh cut like we really wanted to trim the fat down. So I lost like £20 over like four or five months while getting some muscle and whatnot and then it was like March or April I think. Of 21 and he was like um he was like all right when you're ready to to take you to the next level I think we're in a good place to do it. So he said let me know when you're ready. Um, and we'll figure it out. So the time I was paying him. Essentially half what he normally charged at the time he charges more now because of how sought after he is as a coach but um I was paying him half that and doing way in every two weeks um but then.

46:57.43

Paul

When we're going to hop on anabolics instead of paying the full price you've charged me a little bit less so that I can put that money towards anabolics. He said you know we're gonna be working together for a while so money is not really is not really a topic for me. He's like you're we're not doing like a prep and then we're done you know' we're we're gonna be you and I are gonna be working for years. So um. Just pay me this so you could put this amount towards anavoics um and he said let's let's you know let's let's get on this and this and um, see how your body responds to it. It's like all right cool found a source to get it. Got it started it and responded really well. Um, so it was it wasn't really something that like. Talked about too much um during that kind of like cutting phase from October to April um, it was just kind of like in the back of our minds I think it definitely in the back of my mind was like eventually this is goingnna happen when it does I have no idea. Um I didn't think it was going to happen for another year or two like I thought I was going to be with him for a while before I even touched anything. But then we' were at a place where I was like he knew kind of genetically where I sat and was like all right? Let's give this a shot and it was a really good first cycle. Um, it was four weeks of four hundred Milligrams a test and then we think we've been up to five hundred Milligrams after four weeks and introduced novar. And then ran that for about twelve weeks and then we did a pct after that. Um so it was a really good first cycle. Really really good first cycle and and that's the thing with first cycles too is that like it's like newbie gains all over again. Your first cycle is going to be the best cycle you ever have no matter what you take so.

48:32.31

Paul

You don't want to be taking too much shit like that's the other thing too with like social media is like all these guys are taking tons of trend tons of tests tons of tons of fucking I don't even know all at the same time and you don't need to be taking that like your body is going to respond so heavily to your first cycle that less is more and. If you take so much shit for your first cycle you're going to have to take even more in the future and that' can are very difficult. Ah so we we start off at a good place and we we found what my body responded to well. Um, which was dhts which is anovard which is a um.

48:55.11

christophknoll

Yep.

49:08.87

Paul

Dhd is a derivative of testosterone essentially um testosterone is essentially the building block of all abiotic anabolics. Essentially if you want to look at it that way. It's the tree trunk and then all the different anabolic kind of stem from it. But um in a bar is a Dd and then we I respond very very well to testosterone. In general which is the which is pretty much the base of motorcycls so it for me it was it wasn't it wasn't something I was really trying to push to get on but it was kind of like I I know that this is what I'm gonna need to do and I'm okay and like in 1 way, it's awesome. You know I love taking shit but also at the same time It's like it kind of sucks.

49:38.17

christophknoll

Yeah.

49:47.94

Paul

Too because like you get so used to the extreme side of feeling things like you you get used to the gains you get used to the changes and you get you get used to how like you feel during it that when you're off it. You feel like shit but we don't feel like shit we feel normal. You know like this is how we're supposed to feel normally. But to us we feel like shit because we're so used to feeling amazing all the time that when we're not on shit. It's like damn this sucks you know? So it's something that something that had taken into account is that not only are you going to be affected mentally on it. You're going to be affected mentally off it. Um. So and and coming off shit is also depressing as well. It's like I got genuinely depressed coming off anovr because it actually affects your dopamine sensors. Um, so you have more dopamine when you're taking something like anovr or primo or any sort of Dhd because it actually affects that that the happy the happy part of your brain. When you get off it you you kind of get depressed because you have to get back to where you are naturally your baseline so it's it's it's not easy man. It sucks. But it's not something me should be taken lightly It's not something to joke about and you know kids will ruin the rest of their lives taking shit because you know they'll shut.

50:47.93

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

51:00.90

Paul

Everything down without knowing what they're doing and you know determining. Okay I think this what's best for my first cycle without knowing that and they'll start that shit six months in the gym and it's like dude you didn't even you didn't even know what you're capable of like like I had 3 years of really consistent training and. Even probably longer than that before even touched anabolics and we went pretty far foodwise before even touched anything like these kids are get in the gym and three months in start shit I'm like dude you have no idea what the fuck you're doing like you still have newbie gains like you're literally like if it's your first year actually lifting no shit. Like this is I'm not even lying when I tell you this, you're actually making borderline anabolic results your first year which is newbiines my first year I gained eight and a half pounds roughly of lean muscle tissue. That was my first year that's like on average that would be a great year for muscle gain. That's a great year even on anabolics.

51:57.35

christophknoll

Yep.

51:58.22

Paul

Like that's a solid ass year of muscle building and I hope for that now if I gained eight nine pounds of muscle each year by the time I'm 30 I'm gonna be fucking massive dude like like that's the reality. So your first year is crucial in the first year you should be natural 100% that's my opinion and.

52:06.40

christophknoll

So.

52:15.98

Paul

Newbie Gains. You really need to capitalize on just just don't train to the point where you're going to damage your joints but train effectively and efficiently as best you can. It's very easy to damage your joints in your fierce year because you're going to get really strong, really fast. And you're gonna feel overly confident I hurt my knees I know someone who's had a surge on each knee because of his squatting issues. So you know, take it easy? Ah but also train effectively and efficiently because you're gonna have newbbie Gains. You want to capitalize on that. It's wild men. You should. Yeah, no I fucking hate hearing anybody who hops on gear and within the first year of training I get so dumb.

52:54.25

christophknoll

But that's why it's it sucks with a lot of the social media and the fitness influencers that you see because so many of them will you know promote that kind of stuff and if they're not promoting it. They're promoting the. I'm natural when they're clearly not so it's like there's no middle ground right now in terms of influencers. There's either. You know, do this or you won't reach your gains or there's I've done nothing and if you take these couple you know, sponsored supplements. You will get where I am when it's clear that you know you're. On an intense cycle doing all sorts of different stuff like I mean we mentioned him kind of earlier but the mike o'hern stuff where Mr. Mr. Natural is is you know his nickname but but because he claims to be full time natty but he clearly is is not. Um, and on the other side of things like Paul mentioned the trend twins earlier like they're pushing that product so hard trying to get you to take that particular you know and anabolic and that makes it so there's no middle ground and people don't want to do you know the hard work. In the lifestyle side of things they just want to hop on something or buy whatever sponsored products. There are there's no middle ground anymore and you know I don't think that's what the goal is social media was but it's becomes that's ah, such a polarizing.

54:15.64

Paul

Great.

54:19.44

christophknoll

Um, environment now that there's no way for people to balance that and not everybody wants to do their own research either. They are totally fine with taking a look at what is available for them and just doing baseline research like if everybody did. You know a podcast. For example, they would have to do the research they have to go in and do additional reading like you have to do work and that's what goes into this like what Paul and I do here and if everybody did that and even if you weren't running a podcast but if you were just doing that for your own selfinterest like before you took gear or something like that.

54:43.52

Paul

A.

54:56.90

christophknoll

That's what you kind of have to get into the rhythm of doing because it's a very very dangerous world If you don't.

55:03.15

Paul

Yeah, and and something else to take into account too is um, like I'm reading this Reddit thread right now about trend twins they're not really reading it just skimming it while you're talking talking about what their cycles. What their cycle is and they've been taking shit for a while. Apparently they've been lifting for 8 years I don't know how old they are, but.

55:18.87

christophknoll

Who are these oh all got.

55:20.87

Paul

Like the trend twins I don't really know anything about them I just know that they exist. Um, you could tell just based off their nipples that they have estrogen in their system like it's it's it's clear. Um, but ah, they're five seven supposedly each. So. It's like these guys look crazy in theirre photos and videos but they're five seven and like there's also this joke that like guys who like breathe gym air who are 5 5 and they end up fucking huge but like it's the reality like when you put on a pound of muscle at five seven it's way more.

55:41.43

christophknoll

8

55:56.47

Paul

Then a pound of muscle at six foot so you got to take into account your height as well because videos and social media is very very deceiving when it comes to height and it fucking kills you like you know you see some giantass dudes in social media and then you Seeman person and they're like half the size you thought they were because they're.

55:57.90

christophknoll

Yep.

56:11.95

christophknoll

Or on the other side like Brian Shaw and and Eddie Hall like they don't look like mammoths in their you know in their videos because they're with each other but then at the o when Brian Shaw handed the the o winners their medals.

56:14.77

Paul

I'll be.

56:19.81

Paul

Yeah.

56:26.60

Paul

Yeah, yeah, he is enormous. Yeah, he's six nine or 6 ten four hundred something pounds. So he's a gigantic dude. Um, but like the like it's just there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that people don't take into account and.

56:27.71

christophknoll

He was like twice their height at their size.

56:35.46

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

56:44.26

Paul

Posing is is one of them. Um, you know I see guys all the time you know, looking good and poses and stuff but then the second they they drop their pose. It's like all of it just fades away and that's the point of posing is it's it's opposed to make you look as good as possible but you're you posing in. Perfect lighting with a pump and with edited filters and with the proper camera placement is not how you're gonna look naturally walking around the fucking mall in a january during the day like it's issues the reality and um, that's why like you know you you don't judge someone based off how they look in the gym. With photos and shit you should judge them based off how they look in person like I want to look like a bodybuilder in person on a regular as day like just walking around. Um but some people just want to have that you know Instagram build and that's kind of what the trend twins have um and you got to take into account. Another thing too is that if you want to bodybuild almost never does a stage look or like going for a stage look translate also to a social media look um you know you got to either pick one or the other you got to you got to want to either have an amazing social media look. An amazing stage look and there's really no in-bet between um, typically there's 1 ne-be between I mean when you're talking about like the Olympia competitors. Obviously they can do both but for the for most people you can't have and a great Instagram look and then go decimate the stage. It's usually one or the other. Ah.

58:16.10

christophknoll

And another thing like if for for the social media like influencers like unless they're a freaking nature like Joe Aesthetics or someone like that the look that they're posting even though they're posting year round they were probably taken.

58:17.98

Paul

And.

58:32.90

Paul

Yes.

58:33.68

christophknoll

A span of like three months of each other and that's what's getting posted year- roundund so that's another thing that people don't seem to realize they to you know someone will post a picture or video and they'll be like wow that's what they look like now and in reality that video was taken you know six months ago when they were in a like ah like a deep cut or something like that.

58:51.73

Paul

Yeah.

58:53.71

christophknoll

Obviously there's you know outliers like that guy Joe Aesthetics he posts yearround and he actually looks like that year round which is wild I mean he hasn't he hasn't had any success on stage because he can't pose but what he posts online is how he looks year-round. Um, which is.

59:11.50

Paul

Yeah, like looking at his Instagram right now like he looks nuts in his photos. But then you see his stage shots and it's like yeah he lost. Yeah I mean.

59:11.57

christophknoll

Absolutely wild.

59:17.20

christophknoll

He just can't pose. He can't pose. That's that's what his comes down to.

59:23.11

Paul

His most recent stage like he looked. He looks lean as hell but he just doesn't have this stage build. He just he hasn't focused on it. His his waist is really wide. Ah for men's physique especially and his arms are on the smaller side for what you're going to want.

59:35.17

christophknoll

I also think his abs are a little washed out on stage compared to his Instagram videos and pictures.

59:42.49

Paul

Yes, he he very heavily edits his photos and videos with filters and shit um, especially his videos people don't realize it but like his videos are very very heavily filtered. Um, and.

59:50.80

christophknoll

Yep.

59:59.76

Paul

Make him look way gnarlier than he is which I mean he looks phenomenal. Don't get me wrong I'm not saying he looks bad I'm saying it's just it takes his look to the next level just by putting on filters and shit. Um, but like that's why that's why I say you got to have either a social media builder or a bodybuiling build because on stage.

01:00:02.78

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:00:17.90

Paul

There are no filters. There are no edits like you gotta and you're being compared to other people directly next to you. It's a different world. You know you can't it almost never translates. Um, and that's why like there are some guys who look better on social media than like cbum does. You know, but like the second they got on stage. He just absolutely fucking rocks their shit. You know, um, it's like ers like urz looks fucking crazy in his photos and videos um looks lean as shit just vascularity all the way. But then he steps on stage and see why I'm just decimates him because he just see bu him just has a better stage look.

01:00:35.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:00:52.44

Paul

Ah, uz looks amazing. He's one of my favorite looks up there but it's just on social media I would take urs over Cbum but then on stage obviously Cbum destroys him? Um, but yeah, so getting back to like genetic potential like this is just something you got to take into account because like just because.

01:01:01.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:01:11.28

Paul

You know these guys look great on social media doesn't mean that they look that great in person. Um, and you're gonna go through phases where you don't look the best you know you're gonna go through faces where you put on fat. You're gonna lose your vascularity. You're gonna not feel the best or feel like you look the best in mirrors and then there's gonna be the opposite and and the other thing too. Is body dysmorph feels a bitch and you talk to anybody who's been really really lean even when they're very lean. They still feel like they could be better which sucks it's like you know there's guys I've seen posts on Instagram they're like 3 4 days out from a show and they like look back at that and they're like damn I wish I just enjoyed where I was because I look crazy here. And at the time he they were like oh but at the time I felt that I looked fat and I was holding onto water and I was just unhappy with my look and it's like if you really take a step back and look It's like dude you look fucking crazy like you, you need to admit that you know so dust is tough. It's tough because you're never going to be. Most guys are never gonna be happy with how they look. You know you have to it takes a lot of the dedication to get to that point. But then but then like with social media, especially, you're not gonna like how you look. But then when you go to in person like when you're at the beach or something. Ah, you're gonna you'reir to feel good you're gonna feel good at that point so you just need to get to that point you know it takes time it takes consistency but your genetic potential is going to be hard to hit you just need to get to that point. But.

01:02:33.57

christophknoll

And that's like another thing like genetic potential is the Mac like the highest and maximum point you can achieve naturally so when people talk about you know. What they genetically are predisposed to and what they can actually reach that should be what you're striving to achieve like it's not something that like a year from now you're going to be able to hit like it's something that is it's like the highest and most hardest achievable point you can reach. It should not be something that comes easily. Like I saw this video about ah I forgot what the kid's name is but it's the kid that was paired up with Andrew Tape for a while. Um this some streamer kid and he asked Tay's like what that one? Yeah yeah, and he goes like what What's the quickest and easiest way to get abs and tate just responds with.

01:03:15.80

Paul

Our aid ross. Yeah.

01:03:24.96

christophknoll

You know why should it be easy like why? Why are you looking for a quick answer here and like when it comes to the genetic you know potential that you're going towards like the any calculators you can find or anything like that where it tells you hypothetically what you could reach that should be what you achieve in your best.

01:03:25.51

Paul

Yeah.

01:03:43.75

christophknoll

Like absolute self. It's not something that can happen overnight you have to really grind for it and that's something that you know people don't want to do hard work Anymore. So when they're in the gym. They'll probably do what they want to be doing and they won't push themselves to failure. They won't push themselves into the pain barrier. They won't push themselves where they need to be doing or where they need to be going in order to achieve this this like potential What we're talking about here.

01:04:13.35

Paul

Yeah, and when if you talk to anybody who really knows the hell they're talking about too something that they're going to say especially when it comes to anabolics is um, you need to be training twice as hard or working twice as hard on anabolics as you were not on them. Which kind of sounds like it's reverse psychology but it's not ah, you're gonna be your body is gonna be putting getting put through a lot and your body's gonna want to train hard. Um, it's gonna want to recover from that and that's what the anabolics did really really the really Ultimately what Anabolics does. At the end of the day is it makes your body recover better, um, faster and better so you need to train twice as hard to really take advantage of that Otherwise you're just wasting away your health. Um, That's why it seems like reverse psychology is that you can still train just as usual and anabolics and make crazy gains. But. You're not reaching the full potential of your of your cycle. So Why would you even Bother. You know why are you goingnna take anabolics and then just half as a gym because oh I'm making better gains and usual so might as well not try that Hard. It's like no, you should really be trying hard because you're you're already putting your body in that place where it is damage into your organ. So Why not. Really take as much advantage of it as you can you know.

01:05:23.75

christophknoll

What you're telling me that when people hop on Anabolics You don't have to just stop going to the gym you you can just you can just you just you just pin and you don't actually work out anymore.

01:05:29.99

Paul

Have much of.

01:05:36.49

Paul

There's been. There's been times where like there is a study I think we talked did we talk about that study once the the 4 double blind study. Okay, so there's a double blind study done with I think it was annadra.

01:05:42.11

christophknoll

I Don't think so.

01:05:49.88

Paul

Ah, believe which is on the harsher side. Let me see if I can find that find the study. So annadral is um is a very is one of the harsher um ah anabolics you could take out there. Um, let me see. See if I could find this study. Yeah, it's not really I can't really find it. But um I'd have to I'd have to really do some research to find it I I would have come prep today if I knew we're gonna be talking about this. But basically what ended up happening was um was that. So I'm getting a phone call jeez can you shut up anyways, sorry about that. So basically what ended up happening was they took 4 groups of people right? and it was a double blind experiment. So nobody knew if there's gonna be placebo or not um, but everybody thought that they're taking annar. Right? So you had 4 groups 1 group that was natural going to the gym 1 group that was natural and not going to the gym 1 group that was taking andral and going to the gym and 1 group that was taking in androl and not going to the gym by gym I mean like lifting properly staying consistent with food and stuff like that. They're all doing that.

01:07:00.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:07:04.94

Paul

So the person who the the group of people that went to the gym naturally gained like half the muscle that the people with andral didn't go to the gym with so like let's say like it was like £10 for instance, right. The people who went the gym naturally gained £5 while the people who didn't go to the gym but took anadraulic gained £10 of muscle like even when you're not going to the gym you actually gain more muscle than you do naturally going to the gym at least according to this study. Um, it was a pretty small study and and it lasted I think it was like twelve weeks or something. Ah, it's just one study that was done so it's not like you should really take it. You know you should take it with a grain of salt a pretty big grain of Salt. Um, but it does happen and there's been like Reddit stories and stuff where this guy there's a story where this guy just played video games all day and did nothing at home. And was taking trend. He decided to hop on trend and he got like abs like like he lost fat and gained abs like it's like he was just like ah fuck it i'mma take trend and just like took a cycle a trend and just got like crazy looking. Um.

01:08:12.37

christophknoll

You know it always what always surprises me is that people know about or at least if you named drop some different anabolics some people like actually know about it even though they have absolutely no reason for to be known yet like this guy you're talking about like that just is at home like doing whatever. Like he has no reason to know what any of these things are.

01:08:29.87

Paul

Yeah, yeah, he yeah they had they had no idea. Um and most people can even name like the actual scientific name of these drugs. You'd be like oh it's trendboone. Okay, but what's yeah, it's ah our muscle juice.

01:08:41.12

christophknoll

Um, it's no, no, no, it's steroids.

01:08:48.90

Paul

Dude like it's not yeah, it's most people can't even name the actual name and they'd be like like people will be like oh' I'm talkinging dball but it's like okay, what's the actual name for d ball or like oh well. Ah Jay Cutler only ever took test and eq on. His growth cycle. So I would go ahead and do that it's like okay, well first that's Jay Cutler and e q doesn't agree with everybody. But if you can't even like at least name the scientific name to look oh it's equipoise. Okay, but what is the scientific name. What is the actual name for it. Ecopoise is just a term.

01:09:21.54

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:09:26.23

Paul

And they can't name it but it's like like annadral is oxymetthyone like that's the actual name primos um both um so eq is bold on under undecycllinate right? But ah eq is are not eqprimo is primabolin. It's. Um, however, you wanted to pronounce it I just say primo it's primo bolin essentially let me look up to I'm falling on my own fucking word. Um, let me look up Prima Bolan because I know it's prima bolan but.

01:09:55.66

christophknoll

I was going to say roasts other people for can't pronouncing it and then stumbles over it himself.

01:10:01.58

Paul

Me tenal alone and inatee. it's it's primobolin is one scientific term for it which is why it's called Primo but metaolone inhane or methanolone in natee it just depends on whoever you get it from but there's also different esters too. That's the other thing you got you gotta talk about too is that people are like well I'm taking test e. Like or like they want to hop on testee and it's like okay, do you know how long the sther is or how long the half-life is and they'd be like well I mean I just know this what everybody takes it's like ah not everybody takes that I know plenty of guys on test sip I know plenty of guys in test prop.

01:10:30.62

christophknoll

So.

01:10:35.87

Paul

Ah, so I mean you can even take a combination of test e and test prop. So like there's a lot that goes into it so like even though it's like test is one of the drugs. There's going to be test and Nate which has ah like ah kind of like a middle ground half-life test prop which is a very fast half-life. You know it could be out of your system in a few hours essentially um, and then there's tes test sip which is like a really long halflife and it's in your system for weeks. So it just depends on what you're trying to go for you know, ah meth alone ininate. There's also acetate acetate is another one? Um, so trend below acetate is the actual term for it. Um. And we look up the half-life. So typically people they tremble on acetate. There's also in andate you know there's different It's what that's about bonded to um, let me see if I could find the halflife for it. Um, yeah, so like that's something you got to take into account when like that's why I always say. Okay, so treboone acetate has a halflife of about three days so what a half-life is right? So when you're talking about half -life um, the ether is essentially the second word essentially right? So stetate is the ether. Um, so when you're talking about the length of the esther or how long the esther is or the half-life. Essentially what that means is. Let's say you take a dose of trend boone like three hundred milligrams or something your half-life means in three days that trendone is now one hundred and fifty milligrams in your system it's half of it's gone half of it's used up so then after that another three days means seventy five milligrams is left so every three days 50% of whatever is in your system is gone.

01:12:00.89

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:12:12.61

Paul

That's what a half -life is so like that's why when you have about longer a half -life it takes forever for shit to come out of your system because like let's say the half -life is two weeks two weeks is like let's say five hundred milligrams just to just to make it easy in two weeks you're going to have two hundred and fifty milligrams two more weeks you have one hundred twenty five two more weeks you have 67.5 it just. It takes so long for it to come out of your system. Um, where with like a like a shorter esther. It'll be like like let's say like a day like one day is the half-life then a second day is another 50% gone. A third day is another 50% gone. So like guys who compete naturally. In quotations. Naturally some of them cheat the system by taking a very very short half-life anabolic and like yeah, they filter it out long before the the actual test is to see if they're taking anything and they can't detect anything and even then they would just take like test. Maybe maybe a dhd.

01:12:54.49

christophknoll

And then it filters out. Yeah.

01:13:09.43

Paul

And then they just have it drop out of their system. You know, long before whatever their test is going to be but um, you know that's why like you got to take natural bodybuildering and a grain of salt because I know someone off the top my head right now I haven't blocked an Instagram because he's so fucking toxic because he's like talking about how it takes dedication but a lot of compete. Naturally one not. It's like dude. You're so far beyond everybody else like you're clearly not fucking natural like he looks like he's on anabolics on a natural stage. Not even compared to natural competitors I just mean like just if you take him and just cut him out I'd be like yeah, he's on gear not even looking at two comparisons. You know what? I mean. So.

01:13:43.47

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:13:49.16

Paul

Like that's how people treat the system. So there's There's so many different branches of shit that come off of all these different drugs that people don't realize um and all these different like different versions of shit too like you know whether or not you should be injecting or if you should be taking an oral or something like that. You know is is also going to play a role because orals are heavier on your liver. They're they're more toxic to your liver but sometimes orals are very beneficial to what you're trying to do like you know N Ofr is a good oral that a lot of people use but you wouldn't really necessarily inject Anovr Typically you'd take the oral but then like um. Like Deca I'm pretty sure Deca has oral versions of it. But you want to inject it because it just your body is going to respond better to it and is not so harsh on your liver. So. There's so much shit that goes into all this that saying oh I want to do a dose of T R T or hop on Trend. It's like dude you have no no fucking clue what you're talking about. Like Okay, what Even what is trend? What's the derivative they can even tell you that is an Alpha nine nor that's what it is like you can't risk the the lack of knowledge of these kids right in their own cycles and bro science and Bullshit. It's like dude you have no fucking clue what you're talking about like. When I first started taking Anabolics I trusted my coach but I also kind of like knew going into it that I can trust them. Yeah, of course of course which most people won't even do most pros don't the fuck they're talking about which is sad most most pros don't know why they're eating what food they're eating or what anabolics they're taking like they have no idea what the fuck they're talking about which is set.

01:15:05.00

christophknoll

You started to learn it yourself. Yeah.

01:15:17.39

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:15:21.27

Paul

But like I knew like okay, my like my coach didn't want to put me on drugs right away and even then my first cycle wasn't like ridiculous. It's not like he's putting me on two grams of shit like that also played a role into whether or not like what I accepted like I wanted to work with him and he wanted to work with me. But i. Knew going into that if he was like let's put you on shit now or like when we were to start a cycle if he was gonna put me on anything more than like a gram then I'm like okay this is not good like this is that's something you need to keep an eye out for and any good coach will trash on coaches that will put their guys on shit right away because they have no idea how their bodies's gonna respond to.

01:15:54.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:15:58.30

Paul

Anything let alone food like respond to even anabolics before they put them on anything you can kind of guess how people are going to respond to things after working with them for a while if you're a good coach. But if you don't even know how their body responds to fucking chicken versus beef you they should not be telling you what to fucking? take granted there are prep coaches. Um, you know there are coaches that that do like you know they'll do like prep cycles for people and they'll be like okay, what's your food out right now. What's your results. What anabolics you be taking what was your results from that you know there's a whole lengthy process to even get started. But then they'll just kind of give them guidance going through their prep to their show and then. To give them a pct and then they're done with them. Essentially that's sometimes what happens a lot of coaches won't do that but that does happen sometimes because a lot of a lot of athletes who are very very experienced for instance like cbum he could probably do his own like offseason and postcycle therapy and all of that. But like his prep is really where Milos comes in you know prep is really where like these these topnotch bodybuilders really get or not bodybuilders bodybuilding coaches really get these guys to the next level. Um, you know getting them peeled and lean and properly training and all of that. So. There's a lot that goes into it and all these guys.

01:17:08.95

christophknoll

I think I was going to say I think Also when you get to that point where you're competing at the O or like the arnold or something like that. You don't want that added stress of having to worry about that yourself you just want to let someone else take care of it for you. So while you learn about it yourself and you take care of it yourself.

01:17:13.26

Paul

Ah.

01:17:22.70

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:17:27.42

christophknoll

And all other aspects of your life during that one particular stretch of time you don't want to have to deal with it yourself. So that's kind of where the coach really steps in and becomes such a critical piece of the program.

01:17:33.64

Paul

Yeah.

01:17:39.80

Paul

Yeah, and at the same time you're gonna be your own harshest Critic. So like what I don't know what my coach sees when I send him my way ins. But if I were to see my way ins I would be very unhappy but like he knows what he's doing So for me I'm like oh man I'm losing my abs a little bit I'm. I'm gaining strength and gaining size. Granted I'm getting bigger but I'm also losing or like I'm getting a lot of fat in certain areas. Um, but he's like he'll tell me like dude just trust the process you're making the gains that we want you to make you're going in the direction. We Want you to go in but like to me, it's like this sucks I Hate this I hate the way I look But. He's like trust the process. This is what I want you to look like this is what was supposed to happen. So That's the other thing that coaches do too is that like if you write your own cycles or do your own shit. Most guys will only ever want to be lean like that it just Bias. You're just going to be biased towards wanting to have six Packck abs. But. Part of the process is getting to a point where you're not happy with how you look, you know it's part of it. You're going to be unhappy with it and it just it's it. It can be dangerous if you're your own coach I mean like I said if you know what you're talking about So Sebum is you know, an exception to it because he probably knows what he's talking about but most guys can't do their own offsite Offeason cycle because they're just.

01:18:50.83

christophknoll

But.

01:18:56.71

Paul

Or off-season plan even because they're going to want to look good. You know year- roundund and that's just hard to do um so it's it's it's difficult man. It just sucks. It sucks seeing that and you know seeing these guys being like I want to hop on trt like Alex Youbanks recently said that and it went viral.

01:19:00.54

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:19:13.60

Paul

He's like I just want to hop on to your T and all of a sudden all these other kids who follow him are like you maybe I should do the same thing if he's doing it and it's like that's not. It's just that's just where it starts. It's just it's you know it's like it's like regular drugs. What's that.

01:19:23.97

christophknoll

Yep, it's a rabbit hole I was just gonna say it's a rabbit hole where you just get. You know you you start and then it says you start just going down the deep deep dive of things like there's no.

01:19:34.98

Paul

Absolutely right right? And it's like regular drugs. It's like you can't just be like oh just as one time I'm gonna I'm gonna snort this coke. It's like you can't like you almost never does it just start like almost never is it just like just this.

01:19:36.81

christophknoll

There's no way to regulate it if you don't have someone helping you with it.

01:19:54.46

Paul

You know I mean like it usually is a snowball you know something like that it same with anabolics. It's a snowball and I mean it sucks at that like I get why this shit's illegal but there is a reason it's illegal and it's because it is addictive so being on trt like. You know I've been on ti or t plenty of times you know I've been on cruises plenty of times and it can be in ah in a sense addicting because you feel much better on Tirt than you do not on it. So it's like ah like we were saying earlier. It's gonna snowball so you just really need to take that with a grain of salt and at the same time. You know we we talk about this because we want you, you guys to be informed but like you really shouldn't be thinking about this if you've been in the gym for less than probably like 2 years at least at minimum 2 years Um, and even then you should really be thinking about it if you're under probably 20 even even 21 22 for that matter. Um, it's just not. Yeah.

01:20:50.70

christophknoll

That's another thing age ages. So like males are going to continue to be well, a male peak form is like thirty Twenty Twenty Nine 30 thirty one like that is peak and when people like Paul and I are both.

01:20:59.41

Paul

Yes, yep, yeah.

01:21:07.89

christophknoll

Mid twenty s right now like if if people our age were like oh this is frustrating I'm not getting anywhere I'm like bro, you're not even at your peak. Yeah, you're not even where you're going to be like you like your your maximum like area of growth. You're not even there yet. Just.

01:21:16.60

Paul

Um, here.

01:21:23.30

Paul

You're not even legally an adult yet.

01:21:24.95

christophknoll

You just need patience patience is so critical in this.

01:21:28.20

Paul

Yeah, and a lot of time when you're younger, you're just building superficial muscle None of it's dense. None of the shit's gonna stay if I stop lifting this shit part won't stay this shit will deteriorate over time.. It's not really that Dense. You really start building dense muscle like post 26 27 And even then ideally you don't want to take anything before like p 25 like you want your brain to fully develop before you take anything ideally um obviously body buildingdings a different world. But if you're just doing lifestyle Stuff. You shouldn't be taking anything anyways. But if you can avoid it with bodybuilding as long as you can then do that you know, go as far as you can without it to the point where it's like. If I Really want to make pro I need to I need to start it now and even even then you need to be working with a coach for an extended period of time you need to have those expectations set you need to be at the point where you guys know exactly how your body's going respond to everything and even then like.

01:22:11.73

christophknoll

We up.

01:22:22.22

Paul

You plan on it like this is the other thing too with bodybuilders is they expect to start working with a coach and then like six months later hit a show and do well I mean it's like tude you're going to get fucking wrecked like that you're like yeah.

01:22:34.64

christophknoll

You're saying I'm not going to win the O a month after I start a cycle.

01:22:39.57

Paul

I start with my coach in September you think I'm going to win the o in December. Um, yeah I know that's not how it's how it works. It's it's it's going to take a long time and a lot of the time if you're like like for me for instance I wanted to hit a show within probably a year after I started with my coach. And we're coming up on or just about two and a half years and haven't hit one so we're supposed. My first show was supposed to be January Twenty Twenty two that's my first show supposed supposed to be but we kept pushing it to get my body to the best place possible where it's like.

01:23:06.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:23:16.49

Paul

Could even potentially step on a national stage if I do well with the regional. Um you know, using the regional to kind of hopefully gauge where I am nationally you know obviously if I were to get my pro card I'm not competing at a probe level but like that's a big goal if mine is to get my pro card Really I Just want to lose my baby fat. But um.

01:23:20.59

christophknoll

Ah.

01:23:35.62

Paul

You know we've we've been pushing it for over a year now. It's going to be a year and a half we keep pushing it back but now it's like my coach is like we're going to do it this summer this is this is the time we're doing it. Um, and so you're just you got you got to understand that like it's going to take time with your coach if your coach is a good coach. He's not going to put you on stage pretty soon. And for anybody who's been to a original show. You can tell right away when someone's ready versus when someone's not ready. It's really obvious um and it's I feel bad sometimes seeing it at a regional show because it's like why did you bother stepping on stage and you probably did a water cut and shit and like really pushed your body to the point where. Like you really shouldn't have and you're going to get like and they get like fifth in like their class and there's only 5 people competing in the class like that sucks like but but you need to and like I think it's also good to to see that like if you plan on competing go to some regional shows and see what the competition kind of looks like and kind of what your expectations are because.

01:24:20.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:24:32.71

Paul

We only ever see the best of the best. Well if you want to see really what bodybuilding actually looks like go to a regional show. Trust me, trust me, go to regional show it it will shock you it will shock you? Um, so that'll make you feel better about yourself too because people set this unrealistic expectation.

01:24:37.89

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:24:51.67

christophknoll

Well yeah, because that's all they see oh.

01:24:52.20

Paul

To look like cbum or to look like Aaron banks. Yeah, like the top top top top guys. It's like saying it's like working a regular job and being like why am I not Jeff Bezos yet like that's literally what it is like like dude you jet like you're just starting out. You're fine like well I'm not at elon must level I need to keep. Take it anabolics or whatever like to get to that level.

01:25:13.36

christophknoll

You want know the most you want to most see you want to know the most common example of this that I see it's the ah it's when people are in the middle of a leg day and they go to do a flex and they do a quad stomp because because they see they see the videos of Jay Cutler just mesmerizing a crowd with his with his quad stomp and like everyone else on that same stage was like flexing their quad but they don't do a quad stop like that and so you just see people at the gym and they're like you know, watch this shakes their leg heal out.

01:25:38.37

Paul

Yeah, that was yeah.

01:25:46.75

Paul

Yeah, yeah, that's he was. He was unique with that stomp there and even then that that Stomp is a very unesthetic pose but that's what's also kind of iconic is that he looks fucking enormous in it like that's that's why it's so iconic. But yeah, you're right? It's like.

01:25:47.66

christophknoll

Swamp.

01:25:59.58

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:26:05.27

Paul

People do these poses that don't make them look good and like that's what that that's what Steve Weinberger was doing at that seminar was like he was tearing people apart for not looking good and poses. You need to do? What makes you look good and almost never does anybody look good in this quad stop. You know I mean so just do what looks good for you? um. But yeah, it's like people try to do all the c bump poses and shit but he does what looks good for him. He can't pose like ers. He can't pose like ramon because that's what looks good for them. He does what looks good for him. Ah so you got you got to understand that you know you you got to understand that what oh my gosh.

01:26:28.77

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:26:35.60

christophknoll

Imagine it it imagine It's not a cookie cutter template like what.

01:26:44.25

Paul

Every single pose doesn't look good on everybody. Are you kidding me? what? yeah, that's that's oh my gosh. Are you kidding me? dude that's that's so crazy now. But that goes for training and food and everything too. It's It's all different for everybody. Um, yeah I wish I could fucking eat like sea bum. Dude he gets like what like.

01:26:49.80

christophknoll

Ah, wild concept.

01:27:03.67

Paul

2 subway subs every week at like for his cheat meal or something like fuck I wish i.

01:27:08.27

christophknoll

That's what I've been doing actually not not because not because he's doing it but just because it's the only clean, go out to eat option in the area Really so yeah, well it depends what you order to you can't just go on there and be like.

01:27:18.50

Paul

Yeah I mean it's relatively clean. Um I'm trying to think yeah, you can be healthy at at um at subway definitely avoid the tuna tuna's not actually tuna ten is a 10% tune or some shit.

01:27:25.63

christophknoll

Give me everything.

01:27:32.40

christophknoll

Yep, it's like all mayonnaise. Yeah.

01:27:35.29

Paul

Um, yeah, but even then the actual meats not like actually tuna. Um, but yeah, you could be healthy with that I think tripotle is like 1 of the top like like this is like the ref like if you're going to cheat on your plan chipolle is probably by the way to go. Um.

01:27:50.51

christophknoll

Yep.

01:27:53.50

Paul

Che pole or like Kudoba or something like that like rice and chicken like I'll get when or like you you do like a chicken breast salad. But anyways, that's we're kind of getting off topic there. But yeah, it's it's only my gosh. It's not like and then the other thing too with like anabolics too is that everybody thinks oh this cycle works for everybody. There is no cycle. That's going to be cookie cutter like what works for me is not going to work for somebody else you know and what works for them is not going to work for me. Um, like I don't need to take much of an Ai really but I need to take caber goaling because I put on proactin like a motherfucker. Not everybody does that you know you got to adjust accordingly. Um. And when you're taking anabolics too. You got you got to get blood work done. You need to you need to ah take into count what food you're eating because like you can't have alcohol because alcohol is going to affect your hormone levels. Um, you know there's going to be all these different kinds of things they're going to play a role and it's. There's a lot more to it. It's not just simply taking a drug and then stop taking it because if you stop taking it. You're going to fuck your whole system. You got to take a pct which takes four weeks and you got to take hcg or chlomate or um, something like that and then you got to you got to get backwater people can even tell me what backwater is bac water.

01:28:53.52

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:29:07.79

Paul

And they're going to tell me that they're going to hop on a cycle of trend like.

01:29:10.19

christophknoll

Is it is it backwater when you Gurgle water and spit it back out.

01:29:16.66

Paul

Yeah, yeah, That's exactly what backwater is but it's like I have backwater on my fridge right now because you never know when I'm going to need to hop on a pct. But I mean it's a lot of stuff you can got to get for cheap like backwater is um, Bacteriatatic water. Um, which is what backwater is B a C water. Um, it's basically just like extremely extremely sterile water. Um, there's no bacteria in it whatsoever and then you mix it with a powder that you then inject most likely subcutaneous. Oh there we go. There's another one people can even tell me what fucking injection sites. They're gonna use and what type of penning they're gonna do let alone if they even know what penning means like they're like like I'll be like ah you're gonna do Intramuscular. You're gonna do subqe and people like what's so cute. Subcutaneous.

01:29:59.17

christophknoll

We.

01:30:11.40

Paul

What's that in your fat. Oh maybe I'll do that you shouldn't You shouldn't be doing that and then like like oh were you pinning? Um I don't know my quad like it's like you got it like there's so much to it. You can't just be like straight through my chest into my heart dude.

01:30:22.60

christophknoll

Into my heart.

01:30:27.98

Paul

And then it's like you don't want to hit your veins. You don't like there's just so so much that goes into it and then sarms will fuck you up too just ignore sarms act like sarms don't even exist. Yeah, don't even don't even act like sarms exist guys, please? um because sarms we have no idea what's going to happen with them. We have no idea.

01:30:35.87

christophknoll

Sarm goblins.

01:30:47.27

Paul

Um, how they affect your body. There's just so much to it So please just don't even act like serarms are real because they will fuck you up? Um, but yeah, they can be dangerous I mean the only sarm I will ever preach is um, fucking carterin.

01:30:53.43

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:31:06.44

Paul

That's the only one I'll ever preach because I actually notice a difference.

01:31:06.45

christophknoll

Well sarms are actually sarms are one of the easier ones to pick up like in person too which makes it more likely for people like especially younger people to hop on them and then it's like well hey you just kind of wrecked your system you look like Rap congrats.

01:31:11.74

Paul

Yes.

01:31:20.69

Paul

Right? right? right? and it is easy to get and like it's you can order it online like no problem like there's there's so many websites that sell it and it's under this like gray umbrella of like like 4 research only in quotations. Even though you're not.

01:31:28.11

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:31:39.74

Paul

Yeah, ah only acquired like this website that I buy that or not I buy but you can buy anabolics from my anabolics fucking sarms. Um like Carterin For instance, it says only acquired for animal research purposes. So like you're buying it. Yeah, you're buying it. Yeah technically technically we are so.

01:31:54.31

christophknoll

I am an animal. Ah.

01:31:59.31

Paul

It's fine. It's fine I'm researching on myself. Um, so like technically you can buy it and agree be like yeah I'm just going to give this to my cows so I get more meat or something for the season. Um, ah, it's like ah it's like a ah.

01:32:06.91

christophknoll

Yeah, and then they go don't you live in New York city where's your cow.

01:32:16.32

Paul

What's it shit. What's the movie called really why am I drawing Blade runner. It's a Blade runner situation where I have a virtual animal. Yes, yes, I'm just dropping it into the screen and it just falls to the floor. Um.

01:32:25.93

christophknoll

Yeah, but I'm injecting real drugs.

01:32:35.88

Paul

Yeah, no, it's that's just you got to be careful sarms because we don't actually know the long-term effects of them. Um, so we have no idea what ausction's going to do a rad one forty or anything like the lgd as well. lgd's gotten fucking expensive Gee $ 70 for thirty milliliters damn that shit got expensive. Um, rad One forty will fuck you up that you'll put on so much weight with rad on forty. You just so much fat and then also 2 if you're if you take sarms like you're going to screw yourself over because sarms shut down your testosterone production pretty much so you're gonna feel like shit.

01:33:08.70

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:33:11.28

Paul

And people are like why dot we feel like shit on sarms because you have no test bro you shut it down you shut it down. You're taking an an oral that essentially shut it down. So now you feel like shit in your your fucking sex driver is through the isn in the garbage like you're fucked you now you gotta take to RT.

01:33:12.71

christophknoll

So.

01:33:25.88

christophknoll

Ah, Elbowso elbowsos.

01:33:28.20

Paul

Was that? yeah, exactly. But yeah, no, there's there's so much shit that goes into it but really at the end of the day knowing your genetic potential is going to be first and foremost and most likely you're not going to be able to reach your genetic potential on your own. That's where coach is going to help come in.

01:33:49.27

christophknoll

Yeah, like ah a lot of that discipline and you know responsibility is taken away when you have someone who's checking in and saying like all right, you fucked up like it's time to reengage this particular part of the plan like you if you're doing it by yourself and you mess up and. Like let's say you do 1 cheat meal on your on your diet and you're working by yourself that one cheat meal will turn into two next week and then it eventually get worse and worse and then you're just completely off the diet plan and when you don't have someone working with you. It's easy to fall off, but that's why just.

01:34:15.50

Paul

Right.

01:34:24.90

christophknoll

Picking somebody up and explaining them like what your goal is and everybody should focus on reaching genetic potential before they set other goals as well because you want to you know, prime your body in ah in a way that if you do progress into a further stage. You're able to do it in a healthy manner like. You don't want to just hop on a cycle when you're you know, 20% body fat and you're just you know hanging out you want to you want to be able to do it when your body is primed and and in position to take it to that level in a very productive manner. Yeah, exactly.

01:34:49.30

Paul

And.

01:34:59.15

Paul

Yeah, make it actually worth your while? Um, yeah, it's it's so it's during a tough industry man this this. It's tough. It's it's the only industry really where anabolics is kind of like normalized at this point like I remember like Lance Armstrong um what was he taking I had to look it up again. There's eop. Yeah, they were saying like L Armstrong um like got destroyed basically epo he's taken epo blood transfusions testosterone and.

01:35:20.98

christophknoll

Steroids.

01:35:35.27

Paul

Cortercosteroids Um, let me see if I can find what exactly they said he was taking so he's doing blood doping um memy drugs resemble the natural hormone cortisol. Okay so he was taking something that's like enough artificial Cortisol. Basically. Um, basically so he' was taking cortisone. Um the most common types are so he was taken essentially cortisone um to to decrease inflammation including swelling and pain. It's really not the end of the world. Obviously testosterone. Um, you take an epo which um so like he's not even like on a ton of shit exclusive Provider. No, that's not it.

01:36:27.56

Paul

Ah, it is said exclusive provider organization I was like ah it's not an anabolic as's a peptide hormone all right? That's that's so you inject Epo and increases your red blood cells. So it's going to help with with blood flow and overall.

01:36:33.14

christophknoll

Goes in and starts buying it. Ah.

01:36:44.28

Paul

Um, hemoglobin in your blood. Um, you see it's going to help with holding Oxygen really just going to help him hold more oxygen so it's not even like he's taking a ton of shit and yet it was like it like ruined his career. Um.

01:36:54.51

christophknoll

Yeah, and it was just tiered to what he was doing too like that kind of stuff has no impact on a bodybuilding stage. You know, like that was just tiered towards what he was doing in the cycling world.

01:37:01.99

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah, it. It was all essentially blood doping Besides besides um, besides the blood transfusions. Um, and well obviously well no, that's kind of blood doping. But um. Ah, the testosterone he was taking wasn't isn't blood doping but like that's the other gray area too is that a lot of organizations Consider T R T as like taking anabolics. But it's like you can take a trt that keeps you basically at the same level of testosterone as you would normally be.

01:37:35.59

christophknoll

And at a certain age you at a certain age. You just need to hop on it too because you know males naturally decline with they you know built in testosterone. What's naturally produced so eventually it's just healthy to hop on to R to you.

01:37:37.55

Paul

Um, which would be like a hundred megs

01:37:48.63

Paul

Right? And when when this came out he was like you guys really think I'm the only one taking this stuff like he's not alone. You know it's not like he like and that was like the only way he could really like not really the only way but like that's really how he was able to help or get.

01:37:53.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:05.28

Paul

The win was because the the people he's competing against are also taking the same shit you know so it's like it's like trying to compete professionally in bodybuilding like you're almost never like in the history of men's open even will there ever be a natural bodybuilder up there because you just you can't keep up.. There's no Way. You can be natural and compete on a men's open stage. Professionally let alone the O for instance, but like professionally even getting your pro card. Yeah good luck, Good luck getting ah your pro card naturally. But yeah, it's like it just and then baseball is another one that that can kind of ruin your life if you.

01:38:25.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:43.57

Paul

If you find out they even find out you're on T or T like it's fucked. Um, but it.

01:38:46.32

christophknoll

Which is wild because most people in and not just in baseball. We're talking like ah, major major sports in general 90% of those people are on something because you see the recovery time on gro just gruesome injuries and that's where it's super clear like.

01:39:04.25

Paul

Yeah.

01:39:06.12

christophknoll

When someone bounces back from a blown achilles in a month you know something's up because I mean achilles you you blow out your achilles. that's that's six months normally like you can't recover from that stuff that quick and then they'll always be like oh well, it wasn't as.

01:39:16.37

Paul

And.

01:39:24.35

christophknoll

It wasn't as severe as originally thought which is just a line because it 100% is them just spike in something and getting themselves there through the means of if it's anabolics or some other kind of medically induced ah supplement.

01:39:40.50

Paul

Yeah, and there's there's also like Joe Rokin talked about it. There's also like different um ways you can utilize the system um with injuries because like in mma for instance, the Ufc allows for t r t dosage during injury recovery. So.

01:39:54.91

christophknoll

Here.

01:39:57.70

Paul

Like oh it's okay to run trt if you're you know, recovering from an injury but like what they'll do is instead of running trt they just run a full test cycle and recover and then just utilize that test cycle to their best of their abilities and just become fucking crazy like that's what Conor Mcgregor did he. Think he was healing from like a broken ankle or something and he was on just like supposedly t r t but that he came back looking fucking huge in comparison to what he used to look like and it's just because he was utilizing the system and that's just how it it's like it's.

01:40:24.63

christophknoll

Yeah, he used to he used to fight in the one forty ish division and man's clocking in it like 1 60 some like that. He's huge.

01:40:39.76

Paul

Yeah, and he stayed pretty lean too is that like he just blew up in weight like from fat he like gained a lot of muscle during that obviously not £20 of muscle maybe like 5 or £6 at the most but um, still like he stayed pretty lean for the most part and you know that's what they utilize, but it's like.

01:40:49.76

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:40:57.60

Paul

Don't hate the player hate the game like this is the system that they have in place and if you're able to exploit it then that's not against the rules if it's not against the rules then why not exploit it? Um, but I mean is yeah.

01:41:06.29

christophknoll

Just like by claiming that you're an animal and that when you buy sings for animal testing I am the animal.

01:41:14.63

Paul

Exactly don't hate the play or hate the game like if they're gonna make this shit illegal besides buying it for research like you could just say you're buying it for research they can't prove you wrong. Um, and like the Fda. This is also something that came up recently was the Fda proposed a new bill or something like that that basically made it so that um.

01:41:23.20

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:41:32.58

Paul

You can't get prescriptions from telemedicine routes for schedule 3 through 5 drugs and t r t is schedule 3 I think so they're going to make it even harder to get um t r t or any sort of HRT that you actually need.

01:41:41.21

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:41:51.89

Paul

Through telemedicine rounds and it's like you guys are so fucked up because they're like oh let's make it hard to get T Rt But like if you want to go from male to female. That's or a female to male. That's not a problem will just you just just dose some testosterone and estrogen blockers and shit. Yeah.

01:42:04.57

christophknoll

Yeah, and we we talked about that earlier too not early but earlier in the week because that's such a wild concept that you know someone who wants to tear their body for either bodybuilding or if it's just to progress themselves to a. You know higher level utilizing external factors and then someone who is just making a you know change in physical characteristic because that's how they feel and 1 is okay and 1 is not okay, that's wild.

01:42:35.47

Paul

Yeah, it's and then like obviously I mean you don't see this with bodybuilding but like men transition women can just hop on estrogen and it's like you don't realize how messed how like you're fucking your body up so bad like oh like they're building breast tissue that's not. Breast tissue bro. That's Guyno. They're building gynoclemastia. That's a problem like that's not a good thing those you're not just like gaining fat for like actual breasts. You're just gaining gyno and now you have to wear bra and you're go have to tape your shit because it hurts so bad like that's not a good thing. Um, but it just it's so.

01:43:07.85

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:43:12.95

Paul

It's so backwards and it's just so upsetting because it's like you're going to arrest people who like you arrested fucking e vayir's wife which is C Bum's sister I think um because she had some anabolics on her with a controlled drop. They did a controlled package delivery and arrested her for accepting the package and. You're going to arrest her because there's anabolics in there but you're not going to like god forbid people want to put their own life in danger by takingck steroids and yet people with people high on heroin are driving around on the streets like it's just it's just wild to me. It's just it's just wild.

01:43:39.59

christophknoll

Yeah. First.

01:43:50.20

Paul

Um, same with like Dui is like like alcohol while driving like that's so much more dangerous than me taking anabolics to compete on stage like that's so it's just we we live in a twisted world man. We live in a twisted world and I don't know it's tough.

01:43:55.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:44:04.34

christophknoll

And the thing is is that as progressive as you know the modern social climate is it's progressive in the opposite direction of what we talk about here in terms of anabolics and whatnot because progressive for most people when it comes to because Anabolics are a drug. So. When people think drugs they're like how can we outlaw everyone to make it a safe world whereas you know people in you know when we talk about the bodybuilding situation like people taking this like you said oh no, someone's going to risk their own health to do something Like. We're just trying to solve overpopulation come on guys like ah.

01:44:44.39

Paul

Yeah, the more bodybuilders the less kids. Um, but it's It's also so easy to get like outlawing is not the disill solution to pretty much anything because they outlawed everything that I take and yet I can still get it. No problem like it's so easy to get. It's so unbelievably easy to get. Um.

01:44:44.46

christophknoll

Yeah, for real.

01:44:57.51

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:45:02.31

Paul

Outlawing is not gonna be all, you're gonna do is just make it more dangerous because in a sense I don't know where my shit's coming from in a sense you know, but if I was able to go to a doctor's office or get a prescription or go to a pharmacy buy it or even over the counter and just go buy test at least I know it's like. Pharm A great test you know and it's like actual testosterone you know there that is a risk.

01:45:22.38

christophknoll

Well, that's also the that's also the financial side of things like where you see it in the Opioid situation right now like people you these are all things that can be like ah obtained for prescription purposes and yet when people go to the street because it's not affordable. It's. You know fentanyl-based and then we have all these opioid-based deaths and it's just the market as well.

01:45:41.83

Paul

But yeah, yeah, it's just you're just making it more dangerous at the at the end of the day you're making it more Dan like.

01:45:51.90

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:45:57.14

Paul

I won't even get into guns I was gonna say let me get it. Yeah on then we get done guns. That's that has nothing to do is on our podcast. But um, yeah, when it comes to drugs you' just like out like really and then they're like all the war on drugs like we've been in like the Dea has been losing that drug that war for decades now and it's all you're gonna do by outlawing. Ah, another drug is just making people go to the streets for it and that's why like I support the legalization of weed like do I think people should be smoking weed all the time. No I don't think so but do I think that it should be legal. So that people can get it safely. Absolutely I think you should be able to go to a dispensary and get. Properly grown and properly safe marijuana so that at least you know that it's that that you're getting proper shit. It's like imagine if we outlawed alcohol you're gonna people are going to start making alcohol their fucking toilets. Yeah.

01:46:42.10

christophknoll

Yeah I mean you saw what happened during prohibition.

01:46:52.40

Paul

Exactly like it's just people are going to go illegal routes to get it. That's all you're going to do all, you're doing is taking it away from people who are obeying the laws prior previously That's all you're going to like that's all, you're going to do um, withoutlawing anything so and and and that's the other frustrating thing like there have been way more deaths. From like alcohol or prescription drugs than there has been from anabolics for instance, like so many more like they even outlawed Dma the actual pre-workout supplement dma a they outlawed it and made it illegal to to manufacture because like I think like 2 or 3 people died from it.

01:47:17.80

christophknoll

Yep.

01:47:29.11

Paul

It's like bro the amount of people that die from like amphetamines from prescriptions is way more than a stimulant is and even then to die from a stimulant you have to take a shit ton like absolute fucking massive amount. Yeah.

01:47:41.63

christophknoll

Or have other health such like health experiences.

01:47:47.56

Paul

Yeah, like have actual heart issues prior to taking a ton you know, um, there has to be something underlying to it and like to like to kill yourself with anabolics. It takes years. It takes years and years to get there. It happens absolutely and it's fucking sad and is dangerous. It is 100 % dangerous that's why you really need to know what you're the hell you're doing. But it's not like you take I mean you can overdose probably on anything any sort of anabolic but like it's not like you're going to take like 1 cycle and all of a sudden die three months later it usually takes a long time to really get to the point where your body' is goingnna die from it like you're gonna die from anabolics. So um.

01:48:20.68

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:48:26.71

Paul

It's It's not instantaneous where with like amphetamines or opioids you can literally overdose by accident people overdose by accident taking too much than they need to be taking So It's we live in a we live in a messed up world Man. We live in a messed up world. But. Granted, we are also more free than pretty much any other country out there. We have more liberty than pretty much any other country out there. So I mean I'm not really complaining too much.

01:48:51.29

christophknoll

Yeah, and another big part of it is just you know continuing to be the informed consumer which is what you know goal of this podcast is but in general just getting people to do their own research which is ultimately how you solve this problem because if you get.

01:48:59.14

Paul

Is.

01:49:09.70

christophknoll

People actually understanding what's going into their body instead of saying oh you know? For example, uubanks Ubank says he's thinking about it therefore I'm going to think about it. He is thinking about it because of very specific reasons and he's done his own research whereas you are doing it because you saw some bozo on the internet talking about it like.

01:49:17.39

Paul

If.

01:49:26.37

Paul

And.

01:49:28.62

christophknoll

Just get some actual information and also research articles are your friend and you need to learn how to read them. You should not be clicking on the news today article when it comes to talking about anabolics. You should be looking at you know, scientifically backed research articles that. Are written by professionals in the field. That's the kind of information you want to be consuming because if you just read like Cnn 10 on on anabogues they're of course going to be telling you things that either support or or oppose your thought.

01:49:56.44

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:50:05.69

christophknoll

But they're not giving you the real scientific information which is what you should be kind of looking for.

01:50:11.72

Paul

Yeah, learn how to read a um, scientific study I think that's important, understanding statistics and being like okay what is the p level what the competence level. You know how do they like? What's a double blind experiment. What's a blind experiment. What's you know, being able to understand which each of those are I think is important as well. So that when you do read a study you know we try to present the studies to you guys. You guys don't have to read it yourselves when we do have something to talk about you know, like that study earlier today that I mentioned involving intedraol but um on your own if there's a study you want to read about you need to be able to understand what you're reading. It's like a nutrition label. You need to learn how to read it first. Um, so that's important and like there like that article we were mentioning last episode where buzzfeed was like oh weightlifters are eating dog food. It's like no, we're not, you're making the uninformed you're making the uninformed now misinformed like.

01:51:04.59

christophknoll

Bar Bar Bark. Ah.

01:51:06.20

Paul

Yeah, it's like dude like it's not the reality and but like there's like saying was it Mark Twain I think I said it it was like if you don't read the newspaper. You're uninformed if you read the newspaper you're misinformed or something like that and that's the reality that we live in today. It's like if you don't research it. You don't know. But then if you.

01:51:15.89

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:51:25.28

Paul

Or like not research it. But like if you don't watch the news or hear listen from the news or social media or something like that you won't know. But then when you do you're now reading something wrong, you know and that's kind of what's happening right now is like Trump indictment like nobody really knows what's actually going on besides the people involved in the case.

01:51:41.71

christophknoll

There's also not a lot of public information when it comes to that.

01:51:43.43

Paul

Right? right? So it's like we can only make like relatively informed guesses of what's going on you know from from our like from the public's understanding and from like a legal standpoint. But even then you're going to get bias of people supporting or against Trump you're going to get bias people who don't like the the. Prosecutor so like it's there's just so much that goes into it. There's so many fingers that end up touching these different cases that it's hard to understand really what's the truth behind it whether or not you know. For instance, he he committed the crimes that they're accusing him of. Only he knows or only the people involved really know and that's part of you know that's part of any research thats part of any news article and like social media is the same way like you know we can only speculate whether or not somebody's on something or or like like what the safety is behind something.

01:52:19.99

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:52:36.35

Paul

Unless they say it themselves you know we can't speculate necessarily what cbum is on unless he talks about it. You know or like his coach knows like only really them to know he does he has talked about it in the past but like his prep cycle himself like that I don't think he's ever talked about but only him and and Milos talk about it or no.

01:52:49.34

christophknoll

And and I was going to say a good a good coach will never release that information either.

01:52:57.67

Paul

Right? You don't you don't want that shit can now. Um, it's you don't like like I mean I've heard what Nick Walker takes under Matt Jansen but whether or not it's reputable. Whether or not I even remember it properly is going to play. Ah, role as well in the information that's provided. You know telephone playing the game of telephone will affect the information that you're given and that's also part of this podcast is you want to present it as unbiased as you possibly can. Um so that way you're getting the information as raw as possible. We don't want to be like oh well. Anything more than three hundred milligrams of tests is just a waste of your time I can't necessarily say that because everybody's different and even though I'm on two fifty right now for my cycle doesn't necessarily mean that's a lot or not enough. Everybody's different. So I'm not going to put my bias in there. You know this is just testosters just.

01:53:49.20

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:53:52.35

Paul

1 anabolics people take you know that's just the reality and however much you take is up to you and however much you coach decides you take is up to him or her whatever so finding unbiased sources is very important when you're doing your own research and almost always if there is a scientific backst study. With proper proper referencing and a proper statistical analysis is going to play a role and even then the first thing you should be looking at is that the amount of test subjects you know they'd be like oh this is the results from testosterone you should be taking it but we only test it on 10 people. It's like does the 10 people really necessarily.

01:54:24.54

christophknoll

First.

01:54:28.77

Paul

Represent The entirety of Earth's population. No so exactly your sample size is not big enough to really represent a large population is it does it give us maybe a rough idea of how something works sure. Maybe if that at best it gives us a rough idea. But.

01:54:30.70

christophknoll

Yeah, your your sample size is kind of biased.

01:54:47.18

Paul

Is it actually scientifically backed and properly studied. Not necessarily. So.

01:54:50.76

christophknoll

And a lot of those tests also will repeat the test over and over and over again until they get the results they want and then we'll toss out the other ninety nine tests that they that they gave.

01:55:01.44

Paul

Yeah,, that's that's the problem like we were talking about that last episode. It's like no matter what you research you're going to find something that says you're goingnna die like there's like you could research like the whole like thing with um with ah autism and in vaccines. There was one doctor who said that that. Like kids can get autism from vaccines and he had no, he had no so backing behind it at All. It was like he just speculated it or something and he's like guys I'm speculating here like this is like like this is actually scientifically backed and yet they they still take it as.

01:55:27.25

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:55:40.93

Paul

Ah, science you know what I mean so it can be. It can be dangerous what you're reading. You know you're there.

00:01.36

Paul

And we are back. Sorry guys I know for you guys. It might sound like a second um of a cut but for us we had to ah create a new ah recording session because we had some technical difficulties so just a second for you guys? Yep second for you guys few minutes for us. So.

00:10.44

christophknoll

Do some troubleshooting are.

00:17.43

Paul

Um, but with that being said, um, we wanted to at least wrap it up nicely. Um, at the end of the day you need to trend to your project genetic potential before ever considering anything off market. Um, and how to look out for that is going to come down to your level of plateaus. Um. And obviously if you have proper guidance your coach will tell you that as well. Um, if you feel like you're not making any progress for five six months you've clearly kind of hit a plateau. You're obviously shorter too. But um, you know you got to keep changing things up and you're eventually going to get to the point where no matter what you do You're not going to make much more gains and that's your genetic potential. It takes a while to get there. But when you're there, you're going to know you can tell um and then potentially if you're if you have the proper guidance That's when you start considering alternatives. So be careful out there and you know take social media with a giant book and of salt.

01:10.83

christophknoll

Yeah, and just be patient. That's really what it comes down to just patience and actually working your craft I just take your time. Do it right? and don't jump on something just because you feel like you're not getting anywhere talk to someone first.

01:24.37

Paul

Right? Yeah, it's it's It's a marathon on the sprint guys. There's not going to be an instant graification. It's going to take time but that's also part of the appeal That's part of the flex if you will is that it does take time to get all of this so put in the time and you're going to. You're going to be glad that you did.

01:34.88

christophknoll

Exactly.

01:43.57

Paul

You know and enjoy the process. It's fun. Enjoy the process. What with that being said, yeah, we'll see you guys next week. Thanks for listening see you guys.

01:47.30

christophknoll

Hell you man hi guys until next week. But Bye budy.


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