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HGH #33 - Show Prep


00:00.00

christophknoll

Welcome back Everybody we're here another week. Another episode another podcast.

00:04.76

Paul

Hey everybody welcome welcome welcome. We got as usual christoph and Paul today. So thanks for joining. Thanks for listening. We got some good topics today. Yes Christoph and Paul Paul is on the other end.

00:14.12

christophknoll

Are you talking in. Are you talking in the third person Paul says this.

00:23.40

christophknoll

Is currently speaking and providing audio.

00:23.81

Paul

Which is this end. Yeah so when Paul has the plan of hitting the gym.

00:33.46

christophknoll

Ah god that would be so cringy if the whole podcast was in third person. Ah second person is saying you do that you do this just be a motivational podcast.

00:35.50

Paul

Yeah, what was like in second person like like I know exactly like what it was like yeah so like when when you yeah just yeah, basically.

00:49.12

christophknoll

You got to go to the gym brother.

00:52.23

Paul

Or like I a would be saying it like as if you're the 1 doing what I'm doing you know like it be like yeah would you get ready for a show or would you do this with your due. Update it's like this not is not my updates your update. Yeah, it's your update.

00:55.22

christophknoll

Oh gee.

01:07.68

christophknoll

Yeah, second person only only really works in in literature not in podcast.

01:09.73

Paul

Second person. Yeah yeah, it does and I've only read a couple books in second person and it's kind of weird to me I don't know.

01:19.28

christophknoll

The most popular ones are choose your own adventure stories. It's like flip to this page if you want to do this.

01:27.77

Paul

Yeah I um I got into ah the fifth season. Um I only got about halfway through before I did after it. Um I got to I got to go back to it but the fifth season um by ah ah what's the name.

01:45.10

Paul

Forget the name of the author. But ah, the fifth season is like a sci-fi slash fantasy book all at the same time. Um, and it's written in second person. So um, it was very very weird to be reading you all the time you know so that was interesting.

01:55.96

christophknoll

Um, yeah I moved my library yesterday. So I have to just go through all my books again.

02:03.30

Paul

Yeah I Just keep most of mine digital I have a couple shelves right here in the court of my room and then a couple books tucked away. But I don't really read too much physical books really just digital. It's easier, especially when I'm doing cardio.

02:14.26

christophknoll

Yeah, well as the English teacher I'm I'm kind of required to to have a ton. Well.

02:21.44

Paul

Yeah, yeah, definitely um, but yeah, so we'll just dive into it. Um, how do you want to start it where do you want to start off at yeah yeah, go ahead.

02:31.75

christophknoll

I'll just kind of give little update on my end. Um, and basically um I have I've had a coach for the past four or five months and me and him have decided to part ways recently. Um, completely mutual. It's nothing like negative. It's not like we had a fist fight or anything like that. But I just wasn't eating to the goals set forth I could only maintain like I've been sitting 200 flat give or take £5 for the existence of my adult life. Um, including the times that I was you know with a coach and whatnot so we kind of just took a look at it and said there's probably no real coachable option here. So while obviously I you know like the sport and still do the podcast here with Paul. That kind of road isn't really in the works because I just have too much other stuff that I prioritize above this and I don't have the ability to put you know the bodybuilding lifestyle on top of any of those other things. So with all that kind of built together the coach coach and I kind of. Parted ways. We still go to the same gym. So it's not like I'm not going to see the dude and I can still reach out for different bits of advice if I want to but the coaching client days are over.

03:53.83

Paul

Yeah, which I mean it's like in the when when we're talking about it when it was going on. I mean there's like I'm not I wasn't going to try to convince you to keep going I mean it's It's got to be something that you want. Um and if you're not like if there's other priorities then then. That is what it is. You know what? I Mean. Um.

04:13.10

christophknoll

Yeah, like when I look at it in my like during my day and the things that I do during the day I just have other things that rise above it like my job is obviously very very intensive intensive and like needs a lot of my time. But on top of that like with my you know streaming doing this photography thing as well personal life things like actually trying to have that little bit of social life that I want all of that just kind of stacks on top of it and there's just none enough time to you know. Because it's a lifestyle's a that's what we try and preach here on the podcast like if you try and get into it. It is a full-on Lifestyle and you need to be ready to commit to it and that's just not something that I have in the works anymore that of course does not mean I don't like it anymore. It's not like I when I stop working with my coach I'm like.

04:57.91

Paul

V.

05:10.81

christophknoll

Arnold actually wasn't that big. Yeah like I I still enjoy the sport and still you know, have conversations like with Paul all the time Christoph has conversations with Paul and ah, we're switching back to the third person. Um.

05:13.51

Paul

Um, clear.

05:23.66

Paul

Oh gosh.

05:26.95

christophknoll

But yeah, that's ah, kind of a quick little update on my end and of course I'm still an animal in the gym. So it's not like I'm losing that either because the gym's always my safe place. Um, and you know the takeaway that for me like.

05:38.23

Paul

Um.

05:43.28

christophknoll

You know you live and you learn through different experiences and obviously I know a lot more about dieting and you know packing on my my macros and all of that stuff. But the big thing is that not working out seven days a week is ah is kind of the big takeaway from this whole experience because. I saw you know definition and growth in these past four months and we were only working maybe 3 4 Times a week so it's it's it's a good change. Rest days are important and yeah, so that's that's just a quick little rundown.

06:14.26

Paul

And.

06:20.85

Paul

Yeah I mean as sad as it makes me to see that happening I mean it's it's ah I mean I know how hard it is I know how hard it can be um and I know um what it's like to ah lose out on other portions of life. Um. To make space for bodybuilding. Ah I've always preached that it's ah inherent and selfish. Um, and it's weighed heavily on you know my wife's and I relationship we did have an episode about that. So um, you guys can go watch that if you're interested on how to balance a relationship with bodybuilding but. Um, in other aspects too. I mean it. It takes away a lot of time I mean right now we'll get more into but I'm doing more cardio now. Um, and I'm really making sure I get my my ab movement dialed in so I'm spending like almost I mean give or take anywhere from like An hour and a half to like 2 hours of the gym every day which really sucks time out of your day. Um, you don't realize how much time you end up spending it and then if you include my drive to the gym I end up spending another half hour driving there and back. So um, we'll total so 15 minutes roughly there 15 minutes back so it really takes up a lot of time um takes up a lot of time away from you know my wife away from my dogs away from you know, hanging out with my friends on video games or away from family. Whatever it is so um and then we also have to schedule like yesterday we we ended up we were at my in-laws. My my wife's parents' place and.

07:52.87

Paul

Um, granted, we ended up leaving before I had to go to the gym but I had to plan my food and plan on leaving at a certain time to hit the gym at a certain time. You know? So um, it does take up a lot of a lot of your life and ah the food aspect is the hardest part. Um, there's plenty of memes out there that talks about like a someone yesterday. It was like what people think is the hard part and it shows like dumbbells and it said what's really the hard part and it shows meal prep and it's like the meals really is like the hard part and I've always said that you guys have always heard me say that. Um.

08:18.80

christophknoll

Ah, yep.

08:28.32

Paul

The food is it will will always be the hardest part especially in like if you're more lifestyle Um, kind of individual for for fitness then it's not as bad but when it comes to bodybuilding. It's It's much more difficult. A lot of the food unit.

08:41.81

christophknoll

I think it's still I think it's still way up there in terms of you know, dedication needed even on the lifestyle side of things because people who try like the the classic pf user at January I'm going to lose £20 this year and they think that just adding the membership is going to do it.

08:50.60

Paul

Um, yeah.

09:01.34

christophknoll

Like the the the dieting in the food is where it comes from.

09:05.85

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean it's still difficult. Don't get me wrong I'm just saying in comparison. It's bodybuiling the lifestyle of bodybuilding for food wise is a bit more difficult than just going for lifestyle. Um, you know food intake.

09:20.36

Paul

Especially with the leniency. It's a lot more lenient with with ah lifestyle stuff. Um with bodybuilding is very very meticulous. Um, there is no leniency. You have to sticked the plan. Um, you have to be on top of it and make sure you're not really having out anything outside the plan.

09:23.20

christophknoll

Yeah.

09:37.48

Paul

Um, because it will take away from your physique. So it. It can be very difficult. Um I mean right now I'm even trying to get down to like I'm trying to dial it in at the most ideal times but I'm trying to get down my food to the minute roughly um of eating. Um if I can I mean work kind of gets in the way sometimes but um. If I can I'd like to get my meals down to the very minute you know eating at you know, Eight o'clock in the morning then eating at Eleven thirty then eating at um, 2 30 then eating at four thirty then eating at you know when I'm done with the gym and then eating at nine thirty for bed. So I'm trying to eat. The same exact time every single day. So um, it gets very meticulous. So as as much as it makes me sad to hear that you know you you can't keep up with the food and you're going to prioritize other things I understand you know so.

10:27.56

christophknoll

Yeah, and like how you were talking about dialing it into almost like the minute I can't even dial it in to within like a 5 hour spread with my work like there's days where I just don't get to eat when I teach because of everything going on. So that's an 8 hour chunk of.

10:36.62

Paul

Yeah.

10:45.59

christophknoll

Not being able to eat. So.

10:47.38

Paul

yeah yeah I mean part of my plan. Um that my coach is written out. He says that you he says do not go longer than 4 hours without eating is like big capitalized letters. Do not go more than 4 hours

10:58.10

christophknoll

Yep.

11:02.49

Paul

Um, and I approach 4 hours wedding for my second meal but my second meal is just chicken and I'm also getting ready for the day and starting my workday and whatnot so I go three and a half hours but that's my longest stretch the rest of the day is 3 hours 2 hours maybe two and a half you know another maybe 2

11:17.61

christophknoll

Yeah, see I I don't have the ability to do that then I start packing in those mega meals and that just doesn't work.

11:20.95

Paul

It's all pretty close. Yeah, so that's that's tough because if you can't yeah fucks up predigestion and then also on top of that like if you were to get more involved with. Bodybuilding itself. You know show prep or you know Anabolic cycles stuff like that you need to be even more meticulous with your food than you were now you know so um I think it's good that you recognize that. Recognized it now rather than realizing it too late that like you're like oh shit I can't really keep up with it and now that I'm taking all the shit I have to really force myself to do all of this and this sucks and I can't enjoy it Blah Bla Blah. So I think it's good that you recognize the issue now and kind of addressed it and.

12:05.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

12:11.95

christophknoll

Well, my coach also runs his business with um I forget the other dude's name. But ah, he's I talked with during my conversation with the coach when we had you know the the departure he was like yeah my my guy over there has won like 3 or 4

12:12.40

Paul

Created a plan.

12:29.41

christophknoll

You know shows and he has never once touched any anabolics. So it's possible like ah ah at least on the local level. Um, so yeah, so I figure I'm just gonna keep being an animal and just maintain cause I can maintain this weight. There's no question about it.

12:34.74

Paul

Um, yeah, regionally for sure.

12:47.52

christophknoll

Even like when I don't hit like even I know what it is about my body but like even when I don't reach like two thousand calories so like a dummy low amount I still don't waiver all that much I think the lowest I got was when I had covered and covid knocked me down to.

12:47.69

Paul

Um.

13:04.25

christophknoll

187 something like that and that was just a yeah I mean it took me like 2 three weeks to to stabilize at 200 again so I think that's just I mean we've talked about genetic potential and obviously you know potential is the highest. So I'm not going to say that this is the.

13:05.68

Paul

I Did it bounce back up? Yeah yeah.

13:23.85

christophknoll

Genetic potential. But this like what I'm viewing as the genetic standard for my frame because exactly yeah because even if I because there was a stretch of time like last month where I was pounding big ass meals and.

13:29.19

Paul

It's I mean it's It's like your metabolic standard. Essentially yeah.

13:41.26

christophknoll

You know I was soaring above four thousand calories like for like a solid week I mean well more than probably like week and half two weak because I was just really locked in and eating a ton and like I got maybe like a little bit out of it. But for the most part, my body just really.

13:42.10

Paul

Um, yeah.

13:50.77

Paul

1

13:58.21

christophknoll

Regulates itself around the two hundred pound Mark and I've added size so it's not like I'm you know, not gaining size or not toning or anything like that. So I'm just going to live with it and you know just now since I'm just maintaining I'm going to super prioritize bringing my abs back. Because during the the diet really added a lot of fats to my diet and that kind of padded on top of my abs like if I do like a quad ab flex I can still pop them out but just standing there. There's they're not all that visible anymore. So now now they're prioritizing. Now my priorities the words priorities back in the gym are going to be adding in you know, maybe 2 2 you know specific ab workouts throughout the week um just to add in that little bit of touch again because we kind of weren't focusing heavy on that just to get size like in my legs and you know arms were kind of lacking a little bit but now since I'm just maintaining and I don't have to worry about you know packing on a ton of size I'm just going to work on bringing those bad boys back.

14:50.98

Paul

And.

15:07.95

Paul

Yeah, that'll be good I think um I mean also you have tons of time too. That's the other thing too is that like just because you stop it now doesn't mean you can't pick it back up later. Um, granted there. Yeah, there is there is a clock on it like we can't do this forever.

15:17.10

christophknoll

Yeah I'm 25

15:24.93

Paul

But like if you put on a put a stop to it now and then like 2 2 3 years from now you're like all right, let's pick it back up then it's not the end of the world I mean you so got plenty of time to really um, you know, get wherever you want to go.

15:33.36

christophknoll

Well, even even if we want even one you know 5 years to 30 didn't we didn't ronnie. You don't just win at like 32 or something like that. Yeah.

15:43.89

Paul

I guess first o was 32 or something like that pretty sure. Um, but yes I mean there's there's plenty of time and you know we've talked about it before how we as as men we be. This basically peak. Ah our physique or our like physically we peak between like 28 and 32 ish um, a lot of the time. That's why when guys say like oh um, you know this year is really the year that. Everything clicked no matter what I did. It's probably because they're in that that age range right? There is they peaked and their body just responding it should be well to everything. Um, you know they're really growing. They're they're losing fat. Whatever it is um so ideally if you can get into it again prior to that age range then you'd probably be. Good shape. Um, but I mean you got a prior you got to set your priorities now and you know, um.

16:47.54

christophknoll

And especially just with what I have going on in my personal life like I need time to dedicate to that because it's a very delicate situation right now. So I just need to prioritize that um above everything else.

16:59.48

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, makes sense. Um, but with that being said, um, my recent plan has been updated. So.

17:08.40

christophknoll

I was going to say we Paul and I went in two separate directions this week

17:14.84

Paul

Yeah, basically um, you kind of cut it off with your coach and I'm getting more in depth. Um, so basically allegedly, allegedly. Ah I My plan is changed Allegedly I'm taking different stuff. Allegedly, everything's allegedly.

17:21.27

christophknoll

Allegedly allegedly.

17:30.13

christophknoll

But so so hypothetically speaking Go Ben Shapier on this.

17:30.80

Paul

We're all, we're gonna speak in hypotheticals hypothetically speaking if I was taking this. This would be my plan. Yeah, um, so hypothetically my plan is um, we should be hitting a stage within twelve weeks give or take um. I I asked my coach you know after I got the new plan I was like hey you know just for my own like mindset essentially setting goals in my head. Um I was like hey so is there like a plan for a show I was like not necessarily a plan for the show timing. But like do we know. Roughly if we're like in prep in quotations right now or like if we're a certain amount of weeks out. Um you know, give or take and he's like um, he's like don't go posting how many weeks out you are we haven't picked the show yet. But he's like we're we should be within the twelve week Mark now I was like all sweet.

18:26.29

christophknoll

That then goes and posts twelve weeks out

18:26.53

Paul

So we're in the twelve week Mark now I posted a um like six year old photo of myself on my Instagram story and I was like twenty Eight million weeks out trying to get dicey dice.

18:41.24

christophknoll

Ah.

18:41.78

Paul

But it was like like I had 0 muscle tone like 0 actual muscle to my system so it was kind of funny. But um I joked around with that with my coach I was like what you should do for your next this is like a couple years ago um

18:47.75

christophknoll

You know.

18:56.25

Paul

I said this I was like when he was getting prepped for for nationals but she ended up winning overall um I was like what you should do is like two weeks out from the show post like ah like a terrible conditioned photo like like when you were like at peak bulk just like as fat as you've ever been and be like.

19:10.43

christophknoll

The fifth.

19:14.69

Paul

Two weeks out from the show getting getting peeled just throw everybody off like think that like you're just like no vascularity bad lighting like just like pick the worst photo possible and be like two weeks out and just like throw people off. Yeah, my goal is to just come in like a.

19:20.79

christophknoll

Ah.

19:26.82

christophknoll

Really holding onto the water for this show where war. Yeah, we yeah we're we're going Camel Mode Want to see my humps flat spread.

19:34.80

Paul

Fucking water buffalo yeah legit but is yeah yeah, that's disgusting. But yeah Nos that's what I saw in him I was it was just funny was there's the joke. Um, but yes I posted that as a joke. But yeah, so we're within give it take twelve weeks we're not exactly sure where its show. It's going to be um, it could be a show in the carolinas it could be showed in Georgia who knows um but we'll pick it. You know when my body's ready when.

20:00.97

christophknoll

I don't know I I think Massachusetts sounds pretty good.

20:06.96

Paul

Yeah I don't even know what the hell's up there honestly, the only show that I know up in Massachusetts is the color classic but I don't think that's going on at the time I'd be up there um or and and even if you did pick one. It's okay I'll go visit family and friends. But um, we'll see I don't know but ah.

20:13.52

christophknoll

No.

20:24.66

Paul

Also regional I feel like a regional show in Massachusetts be kind of a waste of time considering like like there's really no reason for me to travel just for a regional show when there's like plenty within driving distance down here. Um.

20:36.30

christophknoll

Yeah, you kind of have like a mini hub of of shows down there which is nice.

20:41.83

Paul

Essentially yeah I can even go go down I mean I would say I can go down to Florida but like that's when you're kind of approaching like I might as well go north if I like go up to New York if I was going to do that? Um, but yeah, so.

20:53.29

christophknoll

Yeah I mean you have more I mean your side of the family for more family up here. So if if that was the move I'd I'd see you doing New York instead

21:01.53

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean for a national show if we were gonna go ahead a national show I have no idea where it would be but it could be anywhere in the country for a national show.

21:10.63

christophknoll

Well I mean ah yeah I mean it in the sense like if you're going to move to a specific gym to be around specific shows. That's more So what I meant.

21:20.10

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I mean um, if if I was going to move anywhere if I was going to move anywhere to focus on body buildingil. It would be 1 of 3 places. It would either be like Miami fort lotuderdale area. Um I would. Either that or Dallas Texas or Las Vegas um those are probably 1 of the 3 places I would move um to kind of focus on bodybuilding if I was going to kind of you know, do something like that. Um, that's my opinion I mean I couldn't I don't think I'd ever be able to handle. New england weather again. So like in in in theory I'd be like oh I'd love to just go to the bed frances powerhouse but it's like at the same time It's like I can't fucking. Do New New York weather anymore or new england weather anymore? Whatever so um.

22:06.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

22:11.78

Paul

You know Dallas's destination Dallas is a 3000000 gyms on the fort laudarddale of Miami area that are amazing. Um, including the red com one gym I mean one that's really not too far is the red car one gym in Nashville Tennessee you know that's why I like 6 hour drive five six hours it's not too too far. Um, but yeah.

22:28.48

christophknoll

What's what's your commute for the gym or do 6 hours each way.

22:32.45

Paul

There was there is a um, ah, there's a power liftfting gym and I think in Cincinnati um I forget what it's called. There's a documentary about it. Um, or the guys it was like the godfather power liftfting is a guy who owned it. Um and like people would like. Move there to lift up that power lifting gym and was so fucking hardcore I forget what it's called um Matt Madhouse shit I forget um, but this 1 guy was seen that he drove three and a half hours to the gym every day I'm like you're fucking idiot that's just dumb I'm like as much.

22:57.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:05.39

christophknoll

You have to do a meal each way.

23:09.12

Paul

Yeah, like um like you're spending literally more than half your time awake driving to the gym every day not to mention lifting at the gym like that's just unbelievable.

23:16.82

christophknoll

Yeah, well if it's if if it's like his moneymaker I can get that I can understand that.

23:22.82

Paul

Yeah I don't think it was I mean and the guy in the documentary I mean he use use you know xcon and like he's torn tons of muscles powerlifting and just fucked his joints and everything and he's still doing it and I'm like like I don't know.

23:38.77

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:40.28

Paul

Grant and he had a power lift's physique like he was born for power lifting because he had a super short frame his hands didn't really go past his fucking waist like his legs were so short like he was built for power lifting like his range of motion was fucking one inch for every movement. Um, so he was built for it. But um. Yeah, it's just wild that people drive that far I mean I wouldn't even drive fucking more than 30 minutes to the gym one way I mean there's one of the best gyms arguably in the Carolinas is 35 minutes for me and I just won't do it I'm just nope. It's just I just I don't want to spend over an hour driving when most of the time I don't spend more than an hour in the gym. You know it's just ridiculous to me.

24:19.79

christophknoll

yeah yeah I do twenty five Twenty ish minutes depending if I drive fast because I mean empire used to be yeah empire used to be you know like ah I mean even still. It's probably 20 minutes because I'd have to drive through the city to get there.

24:29.90

Paul

That's now. Yeah.

24:37.34

christophknoll

Um, so I'm not really gaining or losing any time on that. Um, and and yeah like proximity wise yes, but it was. It's so out of my way to get hop on the highway where I was living so I would drive through 2 towns.

24:38.76

Paul

Okay, I'll tell you're closer before but maybe it's because you're taking a lot of backroads.

24:52.92

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:57.11

christophknoll

And that means I'm dealing with the traffic and that's ah, that's that's a lot right there So I don't really lose or gain any time right now. But I think ah like I mentioned earlier if things with my personal life progress to a point that I want them to I'm probably going to tack on a gym.

25:01.36

Paul

Um, yeah, such that main Street bullshit.

25:14.74

christophknoll

And the gardener area which means which means vanarchy. So so yeah, but that's only if.

25:17.60

Paul

Vanarchy. Ah yeah I Really hope you fucking go to vanarchy did I appreciate vanarchy all day.

25:31.82

christophknoll

And I'm not going to give up empire either. It's just I'm going to add on another gym. So I'll have 2 memberships going um, just because you know there's going to be times when I want to be able to hit a lift and not leave the area. Um, but that's you know that's only dependent on.

25:33.91

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

25:49.58

christophknoll

Things going on in my life if if everything stays as as they are now I'm just going to stay at empire.

25:51.10

Paul

yeah yeah I mean um I'll always preach vanarchy and like sometimes it's like it's funny, having 2 memberships because in the past like I've had 2 memberships and you you do kind of end up leaning towards 1 gym.

26:05.92

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

26:07.92

Paul

Um, so it's it's to excuse me. It's tough um, having multiple memberships. Um, that's why like kind of right now I'm just having one my my golds due membership is frozen until june um, just because I wanted to take. Ah, break from golds and that's what I was convinced to do by the manager. Whatever and I was like fuck. It. Whatever if I decide to cancel I'll just cancel by then because my contract's up so they can't really do anything about it. Um, so I froze until june but I'm considering re-upping it just because it's like it's like thirty bucks a month. It's month to month I'm pretty sure. Um. And I get 3 gyms I get access to 3 gyms in the Charlotte area and then one of the gyms has the new are not new, but like the um in body analysis now. So I can see like roughly my fat percentage in shit and then they also have a posing room at that gym too. So um I have considered that.

26:59.48

christophknoll

Oh.

27:04.61

Paul

But the problem is is not necessarily the equipment at this rate, it's I can't use a Tripod I can't lift without my shirt on I can't do posing without a shirt on I mean unless you're in the posing room that's different but I can't do it on the floor. Um, and it just gets so fucking. Busy.

27:19.64

christophknoll

Yeah.

27:24.61

Paul

So it's like do I really even want to bother like because like the problem is is like when I because most of the time I lift Monday through Saturday most of the time I'm lifting I'm going at like six o'clock and now that I'm now that I'm officially up and running with my job I got my I've got my paycheck coming in tomorrow. I'm done doordash and uber eats and shit I'm going to be getting to the gym probably between 5 and five thirty most likely which is peak time. So if I were to go to Golds at any point like I I'd be fucking waiting for machines all day but the gym I go to now is so like kind of underground-ish like it's known, but it's like enough to be like There's not many people that go there so I never really have to wait for anything so it's like do I really want to push myself to a gym that like I have to fucking wait for everything so it's got to wait I got to wait my pros and cons. But then I'm like.

28:10.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:17.26

Paul

You know I could afford potentially like a better gym which is the the one we went to for my bachelor party. But then I'm like do I really want to like have a $30 gym membership and like a 60 or $ 100 membership depending on what I want to get and have 2 gym memberships that like 1 is good for this one is I don't know. It's just like that's just so much money. So.

28:35.91

christophknoll

Yeah I think it also depends too on how the new job ends up going like how much you're able to do commission wise and whatnot So like if it if it turns into a good like you know you're up there doing well then I say just get because you like to bounce around gyms. That's the thing that you like to do so having a good variety.

28:41.95

Paul

Yeah, it's.

28:49.82

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah I mean the the thing other so with the new my new job I'm actually killing it right now I'm crushing it. Um.

28:55.80

christophknoll

Will only benefit you but obviously make sure the financials are in order.

29:07.51

Paul

So I'm not really worried about the commission and think I'll be doing good but um, when this time next year we're hoping to be in a house. Potentially so um I also don't want to sign another contract for another gym. You know where we could be moving within a year. Um, we might be moving by the end of this year you know who knows. So I might wait till that and if we're moving orre most likely most likely I can't say for sure but most likely moving north we're gonna stay within the area because my wife works in the area so we're gonna stay within the area but most likely move north and if we move north then I'll just wait and just start going to crush it because if we move anywhere north. That's when it becomes. More worth it to go to crush it. Um you know because if I if if I'm within probably 20 to 25 minutes I'll start go to crush it. But um, that's the other time with crush it is that whenever I go to the gym is like RushHour so I probably end up sitting a lot of traffic trying to crush it because that's.

29:59.34

christophknoll

Um.

30:01.44

Paul

Ah, long 77 which is the the major highway going through Charlotte so that's the other problem with going up there. So if we're closer then I'll go there.

30:06.77

christophknoll

That's that's what happens right now with ah with with empire with my gym right now like my time when I can go to the gym is like 4 4 or 5 which is just peak peak.

30:19.17

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

30:22.39

christophknoll

Hours at empire I'm telling like there's 50 people in gym one minimum minimum. It's it is packed in there.

30:26.76

Paul

Yeah, yeah, there's maybe that many members I I it's I've seen maybe that many individuals on my gym over throughout the entire day because I've gone at different times. So.

30:34.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

30:40.97

Paul

Yeah, no, that Empire gets really busy, but it's also like the best gym in the leme or Fitchburg area. So it's understandable that it has that many people and it's also like the best by like a long shot too like is nothing really even comes close you know, um I think of Fitchburg Strength and fitness.

30:46.33

christophknoll

Yep, well you stood? Oh yeah.

30:58.68

Paul

Um, became 24 hours that could be arguable but like it's like 8 to 8 or something. It's like some bullshit hours. So it's like that's the only one that's arguably good. But other than that fitsburg lemon area. They're all shit crunch sucks.

31:10.61

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

31:14.48

Paul

Global sucks I mean there's really no other gym like that's good in the area.

31:16.88

christophknoll

Yeah, and it's just well I I used to go at like you know the the post seven p M so like that the night rush and I didn't really see many you know high scores or anything like that. But at the 4 to 5 range my god the broccoli heads are there. It's bad.

31:23.84

Paul

Yeah. All the sarm goblins we go Gym. We go to all the chock boys. Yeah for real like overhyped on pre workout to like.

31:36.89

christophknoll

It's bad. It's like how many chest days. Did you hit this week

31:47.18

Paul

I'm just like I'm so upset that we go gym got ruined by that group I'm just like it was so cool at first like it was like hyped up like we go gym like yeah, let's hit the gym and then all the broccoli heads took it over and I'm just like ah fuck and ruined it. They try to go for deadlift Prs every single time they lift and.

31:47.23

christophknoll

Ah, wait need. Um.

32:01.00

christophknoll

Um, yep.

32:05.10

Paul

We're not all right? So those listening we're not trying to be toxic or anything. It's just um, the problem is.

32:11.93

christophknoll

There's a certain culture. You need to abide by and a lot of people haven't reached that maturity level and that's more So what we mean by that.

32:17.83

Paul

Yes, there is there is maturity that you build in the gym and the problem with social media and all of that is it promotes immaturity. Um, and we see that come out with different age groups. And that's what we're talking about and it sucks because we we want you to be there. We want more people to be at the gym but when you when you roll up in squads of 4 or 5 guys deep and you're hogging a bench for 40 minutes just going for 1 rep pr is it gets annoying and.

32:48.63

christophknoll

Yep.

32:49.35

Paul

It's just not proper gym Etiette and that's the biggest thing is that people don't talk about gymticut really the only ones who do now is Joey Swol and Newel Diesel so it's like besides the people who follow him which most of the time the guys who follow those guys are more our age versus guys who are teenagers. So the teenagers follow guys who who don't show proper gym geneticticate typically or really even talk about it so you never really see it from a lower age group. So if you're listening and you're in the teenage group please just learn basic gymed. It'll go a long way to get a lot more respect from people around you. Um, so.

33:12.59

christophknoll

Third.

33:25.34

Paul

Please do that. Please just learn proper gym Etiquette. It will take time. We've talked about it before geneticic it takes time to learn there. There are a lot of Nuances. There's a lot of gray areas. Um, but you'll you'll it'll become second nature to you um over time and just kind of watch how people the bigger guys especially watch how they interact with individuals and how. They treat the gym and all of that I mean the thing that also pisses me off too is like like I get it when a gym has like no chalk rules and stuff like that. Whatever I don't need to use chalk but like the biggest strongest guys in the gym almost never use chalk. But then you see kids like like or guys who really don't know what they're doing new in the gym using Chalk. It's like dude you don't really need to use Chalk. You're not at the point where like you're lifting such heavy weight your grip can even actually lift the bar like you're not, You're not that guy not yet.

34:09.61

christophknoll

Yeah I chalk the only time I chalk is deadlifts ah Prs but like I don't think I've done a deadlift pr in oh god six months

34:21.87

Paul

Yeah.

34:25.00

christophknoll

maybe maybe seven months something like that like it's so I mean granted Prs aren't really in our vocabulary anyways, but still I like I only do it too because you know it's the the hardest part for me is the grip. So.

34:35.88

Paul

Yeah.

34:40.50

christophknoll

Because I can move the weight I just need to to lock in the grip.

34:41.74

Paul

But even then it's not like chalk isn't necessarily even for your grip. It's so that it doesn't slip so like your grip. Yeah, but like your grip can still lift it. You're just like the chalk is so that it doesn't slip out of your hands from like sweating shit it keeps your hands dry. So like.

34:47.41

christophknoll

But that's that's grip though. Yes.

35:01.15

Paul

It's it just doesn't make any sense to be like you know within your first year of the gym using chalk you know so like that's my thing is that like chalk has its use. Don't get me wrong. There's absolutely uses for chalk same with liquid chalk and.

35:04.74

christophknoll

Yeah I will agree for that. Yeah.

35:13.77

christophknoll

I'm chalking my hands I'm chalking my hands for these dumbbell Curls baby.

35:18.44

Paul

Yeah, for real like it's fucking toxic but like there's liquid chalk too which you should not be using on proper on public. Yeah equipment. Do not use liquid chalk if you have a personal gym use that you know or you can use liquid chalk on your own shit but don't use liquid chalkey somebody else's bar but um. Yeah, regular chalk just doesn't it's it's hard to find a um place that allows it but there are gyms that allow it. You know when I went to elite fitness which is a great gym if you guys are in the Huntersville area go to elite um I will always preach mega flex as well. But. Um, elite is a phenomenal gym and they they provide chalk. They have chock pols there so you don't have to bring your own chalk which is cool. Yeah, yeah, so they provide chalk. Um, for those that need it. Not that many people needed it. But um, it's there and um, yeah, so it just gets toxic so we on this tangent.

35:50.76

christophknoll

Yeah, that's what empire does.

36:07.56

Paul

Um, let's reel it back here. Ah so my plan now. Um, the new program is um within twelve weeks or so so to kind of wrap up what we were saying you can make progress at any gym and you can. You can bulk you can cut you can do all of that pretty much any gym. It just kind of matters on how you want to manipulate the weight on how you want to manipulate what you're doing for me being so fresh into prep. It doesn't really matter I'm kind of keeping my training the exact same um when you're getting closer to the show itself when you're getting leaner and leaner. At the point where you're very very low fat body fat person that especially like within two weeks of a show you really need to kind of change up what you're doing um, especially the week coming up to it the week going up to it. Um, you're going to be doing ah a bit less lifting. Um more rest and than anything. Ah, and when you are lifting a lot of times could be more whole body stuff. Um, a lot of reps like a lot of volume but you're not really ever to failure. You don't want to get inflamed. You don't want to um, potentially even risk an injury so the week out from a show. Ah you're training. Becomes more like multiple body groups I know when Cheey was prepping for regional show and then it was Goingnna be national show a couple weeks after that. So when you prepping for the shelby show here which was in June last year I think um him and I hit um.

37:37.37

Paul

Ah, fitness factory and we did like some back some chest and some arms I think and a little bit of shoulders. So it like basically a whole upper body day. Um, granted, we are there for almost three hours as a fucking longass workout and coaches pissed at him because he infl flamed his whole entire fucking upper body because we went hard but. That's kind of what you're looking at when it comes to prepping for a show. Um, so with that being said, the next month or so a little over a month really going to be pushing it um to lose a stubborn baby fat that I've had my whole life. So allegedly, the plan. Um for anabolics is um, test propriionate. Um, master on propione and trend below acetate um, so it's three hundred Milligrams a trend prop three hundred a milligrams of master on prop and one hundred Milligrams of trend so the reason um I am allegedly looking at this plan is. Because I want to be so the reason I talk about it these alleged plans is because um I want to be transparent with everybody listening everybody watching everybody who knows me on social media. Whatever it is um because.

38:48.72

Paul

We've always talked about you know the difference between natural genetics and genetics on anabolics and the differences in all of that and the reality is if you can lift and naturally and you can compete naturally do that but the look you're going to get naturally is not the look that I want the look that I want is enhanced. Look that I want is on anabolics. Um, anybody who has a crazy looking physique that you're like Dan that luck guy looks insane. He's almost guaranteed to be on anabolics because anabolics gives a look. It's I've talked about we've talked about it in the past too where like um. Anabolics helps you get to certain places it pushes you past your genetic limit stuff like that. But on top of that something that I don't mention enough is that anabolics gives a look. It gives you an actual physical look um that naturally you could never achieve um very very seldom people could ever achieve. And anabolic look naturally. Ah, the only people have been the hyper hyper hyper elite um, and even then a lot of them are at least on like trt and shit like Ronnie Coleman I don't think he was on trt but like he was like 1 of the exceptions naturally that like looked really good naturally until he got on shit. Um, and so he's an example of that but very seldom. Do. We ever see someone naturally that looks crazy like even c bum. Naturally yeah, he looked great at eighteen. Naturally whatever it is but he did not look like he was using anabolics he did not look like he he was competing in bodybuilding he just he was just he just had a.

40:19.60

christophknoll

It looked like a yeah, it was like an athletic build.

40:21.78

Paul

And muscle. Yeah, exactly. It's just naturally he looked really good naturally but it's just he didn't have the look yet. Um but getting on anabolics really gives you that look um and we we know how my body responds to everything so we're going to kick it in the high gear the next like five 6 ix weeks lose the stubborn baby fat which is my ultimate goal. Do I want to win a regional show and win. Overall absolutely is that the plan yes, but really my goal in my head is I need to lose this fat so that I can have a better overall fat distribution after this. That's my big goal because. Um, my biggest downball to my physique is my lower belly fat. It really pulls away from my overall physique and we just know that if we can lose that belly fat lose my love handles that I have had my whole life. Everything will kind of come together. Um, you know I've been really reinforced by my coach stating that I have a very competitive physique. Um I was born for men's physique I can crush it in men's physique. We just need to lose this fat I have a naturally also very very small waste. Um, so when people say waste they typically mean um, around like where your pants are and that's what I'm talking about is where your pants are where your pants sit. Technically your waist is above your belly button but my actual bone waist essentially um I can get down to about a 25 um size waist roughly? Um, when I was at my yeah when I was at my linus with my coach is about one seventy

41:48.28

christophknoll

Which is wild.

41:54.81

Paul

Um, my 26 is my twenty six size pants were kind of big on me. Um, they're kind of falling a little bit so that's when we kind of knew I was built for men's physique because my waist is exceedingly small when we when we lose the fat. Um, so we just got to get to that point. So.

42:13.80

Paul

We're going to have to trim it down and I mean I probably sit around a 30 to 32 even at my biggest around 2 wo five to a 6 my biggest i' was price it at like a 32 33 something like that. Um, so we got to lose a fat but with the next five six weeks um the reason we're taking this I'll kind of dive into it a little bit so test for those that don't know when it comes to anabolics the second word typically in an anabolic steroid is what's called the ether the ether is essentially the amount of time it takes your body to metabolize it within its system. So um.

42:40.84

christophknoll

Ah.

42:51.70

Paul

You know you might hear testosterone ininatee you might hear testosteroneipulate. You'll hear testosterone propione. You'll even hear um sustenon um teststerone test people would say so the the abbreviations for all of these is you'll see test sus test sip test prop test. Ah eth. Um, you even test e depends on who you're talking to um and then you'll even just see straight up testosterone when you can get just straight testosterone. No ether. Um, and then there's also other sthers that are on other anabolics including acetate so acetate is another ester. You don't typically see. Like teststeroster an acetate. Um, it's just a type of binding ether doesn't really react well to binding with testosterone. So um, when when we're in and esther is added to the the base. Ah anabolic essentially so testosterone is is combined with the esther. In order for your body to metabolize it ah in a different way. So typically the past two years really um I've only ever taken testosterone ninate which is a slow slow metabolizing half-life. Um, and what I mean by half-life is um, given the half -life so like let's say the half -life or test prop is like. four and a half days over that four and a half day span by four and a half days after you've pinned half of the half of the testosterone in your system is gone essentially like what you pinned is actually gone um then another four and a half days is another half of that. So that's 25% gone another four and a half is twelve and a half percent so

44:26.96

Paul

That's what a half -life is is half of it is gone for that every you know block of that period of time. Um, so tests are also an inent they sit in your system for an extremely long period of time any sort of in and they sits in your your your your system for a very long period of time. The reason we're running prop for maon and testosterone is because propionate is a very very short half-life. It's like borderline hours. Um, even like a day roughly so it helps with shows because you can pull so like let's say like I'm taking test prop and masteron prop and we're like this like I'm doing a way in most likely over the next twelve weeks my wages will increase in in um, like actual ah frequency like I do one once a week right now but that'll probably increase but like let's say we're at a point where we're like okay we need to pull the the master on and swap it to to winsrow. We can do that because I'm on propionate. It's pretty quick out of my system. We don't have to worry about it sitting in there for fucking four weeks you know what I mean where an in the in inate will do that and in inate will sit in your system for a very long time when it comes to shows ininates are like in inase in general are typically more powerful because it sits in your system for so long. So you're just stacking it. You're stacking pin after pin after pin after pin. But um, so for a show you need to pull it out much sooner. So like masteron property might need to pull it out four or five weeks sorry not mess around prop master run and intate. We might need to pull it out 4 or 5 six weeks from the show if we don't plan on running it the entire time because.

45:57.85

Paul

Such a long half-life so we could only really hypothetically run master on endenty for like six weeks with this program but with masteron prop we can run it up until the basically the day we want to take it out. Um, same with test pro. Um, but the other thing too is that the reason I'm taking this is because my coach and I respond very very very similarly. To anabolics. Um not quite food. We have different food requirements. Um, but when it comes to anabolics. We respond extremely similarly so he knows he gets phenomenal results from prop for shows. So he's going to have me on prop for everything. Um, besides the trend. So. The maon and the test we both know him and I both know that I respond very well to um so we're just going to run that the masteron is a Dhd um, which is a dihydrogen testosterone derivative. Basically so we know that when I take masteron I shed the fat and put on a little bit of muscle. Um, Tesos from prop is going to help with that as well. Um, you can use test in any way you can use it bulk and cutting cruising. Whatever test is the baseline for basically everything. So um, we're going to run tesos from prop three hundred milligrams to you know help with maintaining your building muscle and losing fat then. The third one which has probably piqued most people's interests is trend below acetate treone acetate is the third anabolic can be taking for about 5 to six weeks um it's not going to be a very long cycle and it's also very very small cycle as well. One hundred milligrams is on. This is a very very low dose.

47:29.45

Paul

Um, beginner cycles usually start about one hundred Mill hundred fifty Milligrams and advance to like like intermediateitude advanced cycles who've used trend in the past they get up to about four hundred milligrams so it's a pretty pretty small dose but it's going to help kickstar everything um over the next five six weeks so I'll be starting that this week coming up.

47:48.54

christophknoll

And you might be able to avoid a lot of the mental scaries on a smaller scale cycle.

47:49.40

Paul

Um.

47:55.27

Paul

Yes, yeah, there are there. There would be hypothetically less side effects. We don't know exactly how I respond to it. Um, we don't because we've never run it before so we're going to see how I react to it. Um I think that's also kind of part of it too. We don't want to put too much in my system if I'm going to react negatively to it. Um. So it's going to be a good kickstarting anabolic essentially ah typically trend is the one that everybody talks about within social media and it's very There's a lot of common misconceptions with it. Um, yes, trend Boone acetate is a. Is a very potent anabolic and it will change the way your physique looks but a lot of time people associate trend with putting on size um and losing fat and that's not really what it's for um, trend below and acetate I believe was developed for cows was for for um. Was for helping cows put on muscle but mainly losing fat. Um, which I believe I believe is the case and have to ring to it. Yeah, essentially yeah, it's for it's also for research purposes too. Um to put in my cows.

48:52.18

christophknoll

Well, all all of these are for for cows and animals. So when when Paul talks about it. it's it's it's first pet cow that he's talking about that's.

49:05.81

Paul

So I'm going to see how they react to it. Um, let me see if I can find out where where to try to even start. Um, let me see if I can find that out but um, so.

49:19.94

Paul

Yeah, So basically it was sold under brand name finigt and Finiplix um it was used in veterinary medicine specifically to increase the profitability of livestock for promoting muscle growth in cattle it is given by injection into muscle so it was for cattle Livestock. Um, to grow as much muscle as possible before they're transported to a slaughterhouse So That's what it's for essentially um, a trend is a completely separate.

49:52.32

Paul

Derivative Essentially from anything you ever taking it's you can call it an Alpha nine nor depending on who you're talking to, but it's a nineteen nor derivative. Um, so the actual name for that. Um, like up and I always forget the full name. Um. So Natural loan is another one? Um, let me look up the Anabolic Chart I Love this chart. It's so Helpful. Um, kind of fun. Yeah, you'll you'll learn how to make Anabolics. No but don't do that.

50:21.72

christophknoll

Remember to study and but in chemistry class. Everybody.

50:31.90

christophknoll

Imagine that the Broccoli Heads Homebrew their anabolics.

50:31.31

Paul

Um, and see oh gosh that'll be so bad. All right? Yeah, so nandroone. It's ah so it's a type of naroone. So um, so there's 2 types of essentially there's 2 types of naroones. It's it's called a 19 nor testosterone. Um there's trend Boone. Um, which people call Dre Booney sandwiches you know trend Ace. Whatever you want to call it trend. Um, and there's also trust alone Trust alone is um, also called meant em me NT um so you might see people say meant meant. On nth and Ace whatever it is which is trust alone Trust alone is ah essentially like for a my understanding I know there's more to it. But um, it's essentially like a very powerful testosterone. Essentially that's very toxic but has really profound benefits I think but it's like the the the risk to like the ah roi is just really not there when it comes to trust alone. So um, most guys who've run trust alone just say it's really not worth it. Um, yeah, you make great gains off it. But you end up fucking yourself in the other end you know so that's kind of where trend comes in It's it's an andrewone. Um, so it's. You know it's something that we've never taken before so we're going to see how I respond to it so it's yeah diehydro testosterone is what um maon is um which I was also taken primo previously I've taken anovr in the past um a lot of what die hydro testosterones will do is.

52:07.55

Paul

They have usually a focus of either maintaining muscle and shedding fat or putting on muscle. Um, there's really known-be between. Um, so like primo is one that puts on weight primobolin whatever you want to call it. Um Mettan alone and inthate whatever you want to call it. Um. Is one that helps put on weight put on muscle which is what I've been running for a little bit now. Um, we're officially off that we're guing on a master on masteron is going to help with maintaining building a little bit of muscle and losing fat which we've run in the past. Um, and I looked at the differences and there's some pretty good differences between when I start master on them when I end it. Um and then there's the big one. So there's 2 other big ones that people a lot of people know about. So there's well n ofr is a big one I've taken n of our and of ours. Awesome um, that one really like. The biggest thing for me with n ofr. That's my first ever cycle. Um I was just so fucking angry all the time. Um, it really increased my irritability so be careful of that if you guys are going to take n of our the other thing with n ofr is that it's an oral typically and orals are very toxic on your liver. Um. So you really shouldn't be taking orals too much. You should try to inject as much as possible if you're going to take steroids for those that are listening I'm talking from essentially an advanced perspective here because I would never promote that you guys ever take this shit like don't ever take it if you can avoid it. Do not take it.

53:31.35

Paul

The only time I ever think that somebody should potentially take it is if they reach their national peak genetics. They have proper guidance and they plan on competing at a professional level professional level in bodybuilding. That's the only time you should ever take it a very specific circumstance. That's why. You know christofph was exploring the idea of it at least with his coach exploring the potential for it in the future. Not necessarily something. He's going to be doing soon. So Um, and which I'm glad like I said I'm glad that he you know created that or figured out the situation now versus in the future when he did get to that point because.

53:54.30

christophknoll

Exactly.

54:10.14

Paul

I've talked about it before when you take anabolics. There is no going back. You're never going to be natural again your your your levels are never going to go back to natural levels. Um, you can go yeah with the 9 social tenants. You can get back to natural.

54:17.85

christophknoll

Well no see that's that that's not true because Liver King's natural. Ah yeah, just sun your balls.

54:25.21

Paul

Um, he's been natural for for six weeks now so he's fully natural. Don't worry about him. Um, yes, him with Dwayne Johnson he's been fully natural his whole life. Um, so you can get off stuff and get back to relatively normal levels but your body is never going to produce it naturally the way it used to. Um, it's like um, how do I explain it. It's like ah I don't know it's like it's it's like opening um Pandora's box once you open it. You can't close. It. You know you can kind of get back to normal for the most part but you're not going to be exactly where you were um, but then again. Science has come such a far away. We've realized that like if you're 35 and up or 40 and up. You really should be on trt for a better lifestyle anyways, so it's not like you know it's not like even if you don't take stuff. It's not like you know 20 years from now when you're 45 you're not going to be taking testosterone. You know you could be taking a trt. You know situation um to help with overall lifestyle. That's something that jorocan preaches about a lot if you guys listen to toroke and he preaches t r t and h r t because it just generally yes which is good. You should be transparent and that's what I preach that's why I'm preaching all of this because I hate fucking fake naturals.

55:27.90

christophknoll

Yep, he's Also he's also very very transparent about it.

55:40.92

Paul

If you don't want to talk about it. that's 1 thing right if you don't want to talk about it don't ask me about it. Don't talk about it. That's 1 thing you know. But if you're like oh I'm natural. This is the natural attainable I'm not taking anything but then you are that's what's damaging. Um, which we've talked about in the past but Joe Rogan is very transparent which is great. Um, and I'm glad that he is and he preaches t r t because he just lives a generally better life on t r t he feels so much better. You know he he makes progress in the gym. He he has more energy throughout the day. Um his his hormones are obviously in a better much better place. So um. T r t l always preach for those that need it and you know some guys our age do need it. You know I was almost at the point where I needed it I was on the lower end of the spectrum for for average testosterone. Um, so I was borderline needing trt regardless of anabolics. So um, there are some of us that need it? Um, so. This is where I'm coming from when I'm talking about all of this so when it comes to n of r to to go back. What I was saying um and increase my irriability irritability drastically um I kept it under control. And that's something I'm very proud of is I can keep a lot of my emotions very much under control. Especially my anger. It's taken a lot for me to get to where I am now. But um, that's from the end of our really made difficult was my irritability. Um, there are times where I wanted to fight people for like nothing like no real reason. Um.

57:08.60

Paul

Granted I just took a second took a deep breath and I'm like they did nothing wrong. This is just what's going on in my brain right now. It's the chemical imbalance. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine and then I'm fine. Um, then the next biggest one. So annadrol is another big one. Not even if you'll take andnadrol. It's very toxic but it.

57:13.90

christophknoll

He.

57:26.27

Paul

Like really changes your physique. Um, that's another oral I believe but then wins straw wins straw is another big one if you talk to anybody who's ever prepped for a show that uses anabolics. They've probably taken winds straw. It's also called winny you'll hear people say winny wins straw um, the actual name for is tanazz ta nasolol. Ah, to nozzle all start sten nasolol st nozzolol is the actual name for it. Um, but people say winsw or winnie. Um, that's a cutting agent typically you run that 4 to 6 maybe eight weeks out from a show and it's just going to just shred the fat off your system. Um. So that's another big one. That's a dht derivative the biggest obviously being master run and primo. Um there's also testosterone derivatives so these are all essentially based off testosterone but there are direct testosterone derivatives equipoise is a big one. So it's called eq um, or also bold to known undecycllinate. Um, people call it bold to known um a big person who or a person who is a big preacher of eqe is Jay Cutler his bulking cycles almost entirely consisted of testosterone and eqe. Um I've taken eqe in the past I think from my experience um eq puts. Ah. Puts too much water and fat on for me I believe from what I can remember it was like it was like ah over a year ago I ran it um from what I can remember I'd have to look back at my weigh-ins. Um, but I think I put on a lot of fat with eq um, some people respond very well. But eq you put on a lot of muscle and a lot of strength.

59:02.92

Paul

Um, primo is in almost a way like um, a not so like serious version of eq in a way primo for me didn't put as much fat on or and also didn't put on as much muscle and and um and ah ah, strength. But primo also put on a lot less water and that's my problem is water retention to so I think eq kind of made me hold on to a lot of water. Um the next big one is Diana Ball so d ball um, which is meth and Dr Stenalone Metendro stenalone is d ball. Um. Pretty much everybody from arnold to now has taken d ball dball has been around for fucking decades and the testosterone's been around forever. Um, yeah.

59:47.16

christophknoll

That's also the ah the meme of one Ronnie went on Rogan and yeah, you know you you go you basic enough. You know you you here your test your your de ball. You know? yeah.

59:57.40

Paul

Yeah, he's like you know, just just basic stuff. Basic stuff. Eacsteronee d ball decca um, so there's the deck deca falls in this area too. Um, not not testosterone derivative specifically I'd have to it's it's I'm pretty sure it is a testosterone derivative. But um, it's not really okay so deca a weird spot because I believe it's derivative of testosterone but it can actually be taken in place of testosterone so you can actually run deca only cycles so whenever you run an anabolic cycle. You're almost always running it with testosterone almost always because you need to have like ah essentially like a baseline like a base how do I explain it it's kind of like running a base level it's like the cover right with the cover of the book. If the pages of the are the other anabolic the cover is the testosterone you need to have something to run whatever you you need to something to support there to support whatever else you're running so testosterone is the baseline um, typically um, there's also like a lot of Bros Science so please just ignore bro science shit about it but basically deca you can run. Is actually a was developed I'm pretty sure as a t r t up um ah option. Um, let me look this up here. Let me see the exact origins but I'm pretty sure deca is developed um for trt where you can run deca.

01:01:30.11

Paul

So It's deca de Durbolan Um, which you can run instead of test for T R T You could run almost like its own test with other Anabolics. You shouldn't but it is possible. Um, let me see where did. See where it started. Um, so okay, so angel and de can wait Really okay, Interesting. So I Guess it's an it's a it's a nor really that's surprising. Okay, that's I knew something new or I learned something new today.

01:02:06.42

christophknoll

I Knew something new.

01:02:08.47

Paul

So I knew something new. Yeah, so it started let's see so it's a naulone but bla bla bla blah yeah so it was developed so it's ah it's an androgen and anabolic steroids. So aas um, which is used primarily treatment of anemias in wasting syndromes as well as osteoporosis in menopausal women. So it was developed actually to put on muscle. Essentially it's it's to help people who are anemic to people who have osteoporosis and people who have you know syndromes that are wasting away at their muscles and or fat. Um, so that's what it's helped for. Or made for so it is essentially made to put muscle back on. It's essentially made to rot instead of testosterone so deca falls under 19 norm all right? So all's wrong, um, but another big one is dball. Um, and for those that are really deep in this shit, you'll know this next one haloestin

01:03:03.87

Paul

Halo testing is like the one to run if you want to fuck your entire life up because halo testing like fucks with you so bad mentally, it's ridiculous and there's like you get a little bit of water shedding because. That's essentially what it's for is to it's to shed water essentially and it's it's going to help a with a little bit of lot fat loss and some water um some water loss as well. It ah, it's a diuretic but it like will literally ruin your life like it fucks with you. So bad mentally like you get per so believable. Unbelievably paranoid. Angry at everybody. Um, and really for no reason because you're only running it for like two weeks when people run it. They run it for like the last two weeks for a show and it only helps with water a little bit so it's really not worth it. But it is a testoative derivative and another one for those that um are more involved as well. You know what? t-ball is to rid of ball. So turnoverball came about in the 80 s when the russian um olympic team wanted to take something like Dba that doesn't hold onto a lot of water because Dba you hold on to a lot of water you put on a lot of fat and tball is deriable just without the side effects of water and fat. Um, so that's kind of where that came about in the eighty s. Um, tball I've tried didn't really get too much results from it. So I think we ended up pulling it but it might be because of my source I think somebody tested the source that I get it from and the tball wasn't fully t-ball. Um, which you'll get sometimes you'll get like this is these are illegal substances guys. These are stuff that you need to.

01:04:37.66

Paul

Want to take properly. You need to go to a doctor and get it prescribed when you're buying it from individuals sometimes what you're getting isn't fully what you're getting tball I think in the case that I got it wasn't 100% tball I think it was just like ninety or eighty percent t ball in some filler. Um. Which is it's going to happen. You got it. That's why like when you have proper guidance part of that proper guidance is proper sourcing and these sources over many many years have been tested and found you know? Okay, this is good. This is bad. This guy provides good shit. This guy provides bad shit. So um, there are forums out there. Will tell you who's good who's bad. Whatever um, because these forums a lot of these forums you got to pay for and there's a paywall you can't get in without paying at a register, whatever and sometimes even run like you know. Kind of like ah but not really a background check. But they ask you questions make sure that you're not some like cop or something trying to get at the people in the forum but like the people in the forum what they'll do is they'll run lab tests on these anabolics from these sources and tell you whether or not they'll tell the forum they'll tell the group whether or not it's good I'm part of a couple forums I don't pay for them. Gladly There's there's a couple that are free I'm not going to say where but um, I've seen guys testing tball the source that I get it from and they said okay, it's not fully tball I think it's a little bit d ball in there. Um I have to look back into it. But um, yeah, so that's something to take into account too is that.

01:06:06.59

Paul

You got to be careful. We get this shit from you don't get it. Don't get it from like you shouldn't be taking any of this anyways. But if you get it from a guy at your gym to really know where the fuck it's coming from because you don't know where this guy's getting it. Um, so be careful Muscle juice.

01:06:16.97

christophknoll

Um, hey man come to the come to the back room I got something for you.

01:06:26.25

Paul

Like branded muscle juice as in pain and gain. Um, yeah, you got to be careful that shit because it it can be dangerous. Um, if it's bad shit which I've taken in the past I've taken bad versions of gh and I I put on like literally £10 of water or something like that in a week because it was just bad gh. Um, it fucked me and and a very very big prose physi up. Um I'm not going to say who but it fucked somebody else's physique up and really set us back. Um, and my coach is like yeah this guy's taking it and he had very similar results to you Let's just say he's a guy with over 1000000 followers on Instagram um, so it sucks that. That happened but we learned from it and now we don't use that source the team doesn't go to that source for g um, it just we had a really bad situation I put on a lot of water and it just was really not worth it. Um gh is um, its own thing. It's growth hormone home growth hormone. Um. GH will put on a lot of muscle and a lot a lot lot of fat loss as well. Um, rich piano is famous for his Gh use because he used a lot of Gh um lebercan used a lot of ghg just yeah for real. That's yeah I mean.

01:07:32.24

christophknoll

If I have twenty two inch biceps who cares how I got on the rich pianoa ya did.

01:07:41.52

Paul

Rich also used a lot of synthal and he didn't want to like that's the one which pisses me off because he's so transparent about but everything why would he deny the synthal I mean it's tons of guys use synthal. It's pretty common. So it's like why deny it. But that's ah, that's a different conversation.

01:07:53.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:07:58.69

Paul

But yes gh is is up there. It's very very expensive. Um I think ah the bulk of where liver king spent his money is probably the gh especially if you get in pharma grade um, which I have a source for far for I believe Pfizer Gh and it is fork an explosive dude. Um. So the way gh works is as far as dosing goes. There's a lot more into it. So I'm talking like granted I have run multiple cycles but I'm also talking from like a beginner's perspective I'm not an endocrinologist by any point by any way of the matter you know like so when I'm talking about this stuff. It's my understanding of it and what I've read in forums what I've read in articles and stuff. And studies. This is not something I've ever I don't have a degree in it. This is endocrinology essentially is what it is which is hormones so don't take my word for it. This is probably going to change over time I'm going to look back by at this three years and be like what the fuck was I talking about so this is probably going to change. But. Gh the way it's taken essentially is what's called international units I use um typically beginner cyclees of gh is anywhere from like 2 to 4 I use. Most guys will say four I use is like the minimum but it depends on who you're talking to 2 to 4 I use um per day. Um. And it can get up to about 10 even 12 I use per day um, depending on the person I know somebody off top. My head who takes I think supposedly 12 I use a day which is a fucking shit ton. Um, so very expensive. So I'll I'll dive into that in a second. So you you pin.

01:09:22.38

christophknoll

And expensive.

01:09:30.83

Paul

When I say pen it means inject you you pin gh typically um, subcutaneously which is in your fat you put it typically in your belly fat with a short needle and um, you pinch your fat put it in there and that's how you pin it every day. Um, and what you want to do with gh is you pin it and then you wait I think like a half hour and then you eat. You want it to let it metabolize for a minute. Um, so to put the price into perspective typically you buy gh I think it's one hundred I use at a time it comes in powder form and then you mix it with what's called backwater which is essentially like um.

01:10:05.40

christophknoll

Are.

01:10:09.79

Paul

0 bacteria at all water essentially is when you want to look at it. Um, so you put back water in there. Let it mix for a minute you don't want to shake it you just stir. It. Whatever um, and then you inject it that way keep the molecules active. Um, so a hundred I use depending where you go where you go is anywhere from 250 to $400 for hundred I use. So for me when I rent 2 I use a day which is very low, very very very low dose and I still reacted the way I did that was going to be I think it was almost three fifty every month and a half something like that which is very expensive for an anabolic but like think about it that way like. If who I'm thinking about he goes through one of those packs every like two weeks so he's spending like anywhere from seven to $1000 $700 to $1000 a month on gh alone and everything else he's taking so.

01:10:52.73

christophknoll

So.

01:10:57.97

christophknoll

Absurd.

01:11:02.57

Paul

Um, there's also other stuff too. There's t four. There's t three. There's Klan there's tons of other stuff that adds on to that that makes it expensive but um, yeah gh is very expensive. Um, that's its own category of anabolics. Um, and gh can be like I said can be easily faked. Um I I had that instance where it just was not a good source and you really want to make sure you get the the medical the um, actual like medically derived derived one like from Pfizer or whatever it is bear or whoever it is that's making it um, but yeah, so with that being said. That whole tangent. The reason we're running this program is for the next five six weeks to really dial in my fat and produce a muscle. Um, and that's why trend is kind of it's overrated most of the guys will say trend. It's kind of overrated. Um, it does change the way your physique looks. Um, but it does fuck with you mentally. It's called a relationship destroyer. Um, a lot of most guys ninety nine point nine nine percent of serious bodybuders will never take halo testin so only a few guys really know what halo testens like but trend is a less serious version of that when it comes to mental side effects. There's a lot of paranoia. And that's the reason why it's called a relationship killer a lot of guys who take trend will say that they think that their you know their girlfriend's cheating on them. Their wife's cheating on them. Even there's really no evidence. It's just this paranoia. They just make up these situations in their head. Um, there's a lot of anger behind it too. Um and and anxiety.

01:12:33.79

Paul

Um, and depression. That's that's what people have found from it. Granted everybody reacts differently to it. There's really no way of saying this is what's going to happen. This is not what's going to happen it all just depends on who you are and really what Anabolics does in general. Is it heightens all of your personality traits. Um, So if you have issues and anxiety. Then Anabolics is going to only heighten that issue if you have depression is going going to make it worse stuff like that. Um, for me I'm blessed to not have those issues. Um, but like I do have temper issues and I've had in my whole life so that I got ah I got to kind of keep under control. Um, so.

01:13:13.11

Paul

That's where we're at right now. Um, as far as anabolics goes. That's only a small portion of it. It helps and it does give you a look trying is going to completely change my physique. Um, it gives you a grainy look um and you shed fat like crazy. Which is in one way Why I'm excited to take it but you shouldn't be excited to take drugs. It's not.. It's not a good thing but um, yeah, so I'm looking forward to it because I'm curious on how my body body responds to it. But Also I'm kind of nervous in a way because of the mental side effects. So you know I did you know, kind of War My wife I'm like look.

01:13:30.58

christophknoll

Who.

01:13:46.59

Paul

This is what it was is seen I've taken I'm taken a very low dose I'm not taking it for that long. Um in comparison to others and the people who really see a lot of these side effects take the shit ton of it. So this is you know this is anecdotally what other people experience. It's possible I'll experience something like it. So. She's okay with it. She knows what I'm like on other anabolics. So she's totally fine. She's like thanks for giving me the warning and I was like basically what it's going to come down to is that most likely I'm just going to need more like attention from you most likely maybe more words of affirmation. You know more physical touch stuff like that just to be like if I'm at the point where I'm like. Worried about a relationship I'm just going to need that so stability for the next month maybe which we've talked about I talked about in the relationship podcast episode. Um when it comes to bodybuilding finding the right person is is very very important if you're going to be with someone while bodybuilding because um, most women. Would say most are not okay with with their spouses. Um taking anabolics which guys have asked on streets and videos and stuff like are you okay with your guy taking steroids. Whatever um, and most of them say no, they're not okay with it. Um I'm blessed to have my wife who is okay with it. Um. She doesn't help me with it. She doesn't do anything for me for it. She just is okay with it and she understands my mental side of things if there is anything and also physically what I'm going through so she understands and she she's there. Um, and okay with it. So I'm very blessed to have her. Um.

01:15:17.67

Paul

So I kind of you know like I said I sat her down I was like look this is what other people experience just so you know and if I ever get angry or if I ever worry if you're cheating on me it's it's really not me and It's not you it's not us it's just the. It's the drug speaking. Essentially it's what's going on in my brain is the chemical imbalance. Um, but again, it's only running for four or five weeks maybe 6 so um, we'll see how it goes I'm looking forward to it I'm ready to really take you to the next level with with my fat loss I'm really really ready to lose all this fat. Um, so I'm excited. I'm nervous. Um I'm ready to in quotation suffer. Um, for the show. Um, but I am ready to see what my actual physique looks like with no fat because I've never seen that um I've gotten lean kind of enough to have a 6 pack but not to the point where it's like okay this is actually what I look like. With no fat or very little fat. So I'm excited I'm ready for that I'm ready to to hit the stage and I haven't yet. We've been pushing it off for fucking ever. But again the reason we've been pushing it off is because when I do step on stage. The goal is that everybody else is competing for second. That's the goal. You know we're going. we're stepping on stage and we're stepping on the stage whatever he picks that I'm going to win first. Overall like we're not going to step anywhere else and if we compete nationally the goal is at least top in class and then ideally you know frontruder for overall if possible. Not sure if that's even achievable this year I'm probably gonna um if we go national.

01:16:45.75

Paul

My goal is to get top 2 in my class to get my pro card. But then again I'm also really not ready for pro you know competing professionally so not even sure if we're going to even go after it um because it's possible that you know we might wait until i'm. Able to compete professionally until I get my pro card. You know so like competing on the pro stage is very different from competing on a regional or national stage. So we might wait to the point where I can compete on a pro stage before I ever get my pro card. Um, but then again there are plenty of guys who get their pro card. Put in the work for 2 3 years to put on size and then they start competing crushing it. Um, you know that happened recently I think um, Ben Keel was was like that I'm pretty sure what the recent charlotte pro I watched a um Instagram live that he had with my coach. Um Ben Keel and he I'm pretty sure. Took a couple years after getting his pro card and they just came out of nowhere and just fucking crushing it granted he's gotten twice. He's gotten second twice now. But um, he's going to keep hitting pro shows and like that's what he did was he got his pro card took some time off put on some size. Came back ready to shred it and just got diced to the gills and competed professionally so we'll see what the plan is obviously I'll keep you guys updated. Um, next weekend. Um, when we have next weekend's episode I'll talk about my like how I'm feeling on trend because it's starting this week hopefully tuesday

01:18:14.83

Paul

Um, so two days from now might start Thursday depending on whenever it comes in. Um, so I'm excited and nervous. But I'll talk about it. You guys will see anecdotally my entire process. Um, and then again twelve weeks out I'll talk about where I'm at foodwise where I'm at energy-wise we'm at cardio-wise stuff like that. Um, so you guys can see the full process from start to finish. Um, but right now I'm at 5 sessions of cardio for 30 minutes after my workout. Ah where it was that three so we increased it by 2 sessions. Took out carbs. Um I'm ah I'm on a low carb cycle or I'm on a carb cycle with three low days and then one high day which I've been running for a couple weeks but we took out a lot of carbs. So there's less carbs now. Um, but I'm ah I'm already seeing the results I'm done about two and a half pounds in the past week um we started that carb cycle I think was Monday or Tuesday and then I'm already down two and a half pounds so like my body response like crazy to carbs. So just taking some carbs out and then also another thing that I did which I think you'll be proud to hear Karav is that after a recent episode about sugar I made sure to take out anything that has added sugars pretty much. Um, ah, sometimes you can't avoid it like there's some stuff that you can't avoid like like I think like an english muffin has like some managed sugars and shit like you can't really avoid that but like for the most part I made sure it take out. Yeah I wish I'd be sick I'd love to make my own bread. But um I took out added sugars for the most part and.

01:19:32.85

christophknoll

Make them yourself. Yeah.

01:19:44.65

Paul

I've actually like even though I didn't really taken much added sugars before um, it actually I've gotten a lot more energy I feel now like it. It could be also like the gym and whatever I'm taking in shit right now like masteron and tests and stuff that could play into it my energy but like. I Feel like I have more energy. Um, Dopamine is still not there. That's just my own problem but like energy wise I think it's up. That's for sure. Um, and I think that also results from the lack of sugar which is good and I feel better I think I think I feel better.

01:20:16.21

christophknoll

A work someone tried to offer me a jolly rancher and I said no it has too much edited sugar and they're like bro. It literally says three grams of added sugar I was like sorry man. Nope.

01:20:20.20

Paul

Yeah, oh.

01:20:28.64

Paul

Yeah, oh that's the that's the other thing that I take with added sugar is um my my gum that I chew every day is juicy fruit. Um, but I chew that during the gym. It's so that I breathe um I make sure I'm breathing. Um.

01:20:35.51

christophknoll

Yep.

01:20:38.63

christophknoll

get one of those get 1 of those rubber rolls. Yeah ones you can chew on that that they don't there's nothing there and you never deplete it because it's just a little piece of rubber. Yeah.

01:20:51.35

Paul

It's like those like pencil grips. No I know? Yeah, yeah, there's um yeah I've seen that there's also there are actual mouth pieces for breathing um Brian Shaw wears it? um.

01:20:53.63

christophknoll

No no I'm being serious. There's there's actual things and they call it like the jaw workout give you that chisel jaw line from chewing this thing.

01:21:06.42

christophknoll

Yep.

01:21:08.49

Paul

But I just I like to chew it as like a Fidget thing when I'm at the gym. Um, and then also makes me it helps me breathe make sure that I'm breathing during my during my actual training sets. Um, so yeah, that's the other thing I've taken that's added sugar. Um I had to take a look at like my supplements. It's possible. My pureric outs and my bcas might have it I haven't really checked out out I'm not too worried about that. Um, but yeah I don't I cut out everything that has remotely any added sugar in it. Um, besides stuff that's part of the plan eng english muffin's part of the plan. Um, al and butter's part of the plan stuff like that. So I make sure to take out what I have to um, but yeah.

01:21:48.88

christophknoll

Speaking of Brian Shaw though big big upset that he didn't didn't go for the 5 or didn't get the fiverr because world's strongest man I I don't i.

01:21:56.26

Paul

For yeah, he then you have an injury. No happen April fourteenth yeah

01:22:07.65

christophknoll

I Think he just didn't bring his best stuff that day. Um.

01:22:12.71

Paul

He yeah he um he had a very bad bacterial skin infection um of an aggressive form of cellulitis I just remember seeing him in a hospital post on in the Instagram or something. Um, who even won I think it was like nobody even really knows like.

01:22:23.70

christophknoll

So yeah.

01:22:30.90

Paul

Some guy that like him out nowhere. Yeah so you mood yeah canadian strawman and kinesiologist good for him. He came out of nowhere. Usually it's like the same like top 4 guys every time.

01:22:31.14

christophknoll

Mitchell Hooper from Canada.

01:22:46.72

christophknoll

Yeah I mean.

01:22:48.63

Paul

And he doesn't even look like a world's strongest man either like he's not ginormous. You know what? I mean like he's not like this enormous dude. He just strong as fuck.

01:22:57.48

christophknoll

Well, a lot of people have those weird sleeper builds like there's that video or there's a chain of videos of this dude who pretends to be a janitor at a gym and yeah and he just rips it up. But yeah, this was Brinshaw's last world's strongest man.

01:23:05.20

Paul

Oh well. Yeah.

01:23:14.56

Paul

Yeah, he he he did make his Mark and he's arguably him and Eddie Hall are both like the most popular strong men of all time now like guess not even close but he could say he's a world strongest man which is enough. Yeah.

01:23:14.60

christophknoll

But is why we're all hoping he'd he'd bring you home. Um.

01:23:21.80

christophknoll

Yeah. We can say he's 4 time the world's strongest man I think that's the highest out of like winners.

01:23:35.36

Paul

Well Eddie Hall was named strongest men in history after his like £1100 deadlift or something that was like the name you got granard is beaten I think at this point but um, yeah, that sucks though Brian Shaw I would love to meet Brian Shaw

01:23:40.10

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:23:50.23

christophknoll

I want to know what crazy stuff those guys are on because for for those who want a funny video look up Brian Shaw awarding the the o winners because he walks over and think he.

01:23:52.16

Paul

One day I Can only imagine.

01:24:04.39

Paul

I Hear it.

01:24:07.67

christophknoll

I think he awarded like the men's physique guys. No no, no the yeah yeah, men's physique guys and he walks over and it literally looks like kids standing next to an adult even though they're all adults up there because he's like seven feet tall 400 something pounds like he is just a meth of a man.

01:24:23.30

Paul

Yeah, he's massive absolutely massive. Um, yeah, his numbers. He so hit some of his best lifts. So let's see his squat a thousand three pounds he benched 530 pounds twice his deadlift is a thousand ninety one from blocks long bar dead left which is.

01:24:43.36

christophknoll

I'm just I'm just reading these these events they do and it's just so such weird things compared to you know what? like you and I do in the gym like have you ever done a bus pull.

01:24:53.17

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's ridiculous. He did a um like somebody did a plane pull I think they pulled like a commercial airliner or some shit I think I could be wrong. I'm pretty sure I saw a photo like that it might have been just a photo shoot but um. He his long bar dead list which is also called the elephant bar is a thousand thirty one um his rack pole is a one thousand three hundred and sixty five and his log press is 465 which I mean rackpoll at 1365 is absolutely fucking crazy.

01:25:26.70

Paul

Like that's so crazy like I like one rep max for me is maybe 5 plates which is like what 99 and he's doing almost triple that which is fucking crazy each of his hands is lifting one and a half times my rep my my max.

01:25:32.18

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:25:37.84

christophknoll

Yeah. Absurd absurd.

01:25:46.53

Paul

Yeah, which is crazy. Um, but yeah, that's that's there's a video of Eddie Hall and someone I forget his name Jesse James West I think and Jess was like um, he's like yeah, he's like when I say I'm doing light squat day. It's very different from what you do.

01:25:58.35

christophknoll

Yep.

01:26:04.98

Paul

He's like so what would you consider light squat day and he's like he's like we probably start it like he's like light squad's probably around like 400 he's like yeah yeah, that's light like yeah, that's super light with just four plates. Let's just stack on 4 plates and call it a light squat day fucking ridiculous.

01:26:19.70

christophknoll

You? Well, there's also the ah the the road to the Olympia the Eddie Hall been doing which the nodded going to happen. But it's it's just funny to see it and he.

01:26:23.32

Paul

Um.

01:26:28.43

Paul

So dumb. No.

01:26:34.47

christophknoll

He posts his posing videos and like when he hits his side chest like he's just so massive that like he just kind of looks like a a ball of of but of a person turning and making that pose but we.

01:26:44.90

Paul

Was ridiculous. Yeah he he.

01:26:49.53

christophknoll

I Don't think we give enough credit to these strong men because like we talk so much about like how you know we're in the gym for manipulating how our body looks and you know finding our our best selves that way and these guys. Taken in the complete opposite direction where they could give a damn but how they look and it's all about moving the weight and it's super impressive. That's why like that's why I say we don't give enough credit to it because obviously when you think of the gym world. If if you're not in the gym.

01:27:05.91

Paul

And all.

01:27:21.68

christophknoll

You think of people who look good. So like bodybuilders. But if you're in the gym. Some of the most impressive people are the strong men because they're just absurd. Ah granted their form on on some regular lifts are things that we kind of make fun of but when it comes to actually moving the weight strong men are. Absolutely absurd.

01:27:42.24

Paul

Yeah, and what makes me happy about strong men specifically I have personally I have more respect for strong men than power lifters personally um because strong men lifting is um, it's more functional like it's like more actual like genuine strength. Powerlifting is about deadlift squat and bench and however you can get there right? It's like whoever you can lift it like even like the assisted where like you got the fucking like sling shot and the benching suit and shit and like all these knee wraps and shit where like with strong men. They're not using any of that.

01:28:09.42

christophknoll

So.

01:28:15.65

Paul

It's like you have to like they got to do like farmers carries or whatever they're called farmer caries and like carry like £800 and walk it like 50 yards and then walk it fifty yards back you know it's like it's a completely different way of.

01:28:25.47

christophknoll

Me down.

01:28:31.29

Paul

Of lifting and it just so unbelievably much stronger than power lifters. Um and much more safe, but the thing with strong men too is that you have to have a very specific build for it like if Eddie Hall I think is borderline on the small side for it and almost like it's a miracle.

01:28:46.51

christophknoll

A six eight something like that. Yeah.

01:28:50.15

Paul

I think you know I think he's like six five like he's on the shorter side for it like it's almost like a problem like he had to call it.

01:28:54.20

christophknoll

Yeah, well when they post when they post the videos with him and Brian Shaw you think that like just in the videos Brian Shaw's like you know, just a like normal dude in Eddie Halls like this you know, just short guy. But in reality Eddie Hall's taller than me. And with that frame 6 3 okay, but still but still.

01:29:12.45

Paul

He's 6 three yeah he yeah looked it up. He's 6 3 Brian 14 and then half Thor is six nine um but Eddie Hall the reason he had to cut it short at the age that he did being like 30 1 32 whatever it was is because of his height he was getting too big for his height and it was becoming very detrimental to his health where guys like Eddie and Brian could put on so much more size than Eddie could I think the Eddie's biggest ever was 3 62 and I think Brian's like four fifty or something so it just goes to show how.

01:29:33.29

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:29:47.68

Paul

Strong Eddie is because he's so much smaller than than everybody else. But um, yeah, it's crazy. These guys are crazy. Um I was going to say something else to it too and like it's not even like they do 3 lifts like power lifters. Do I mean granted, they do like usually 3 sets of each It's like 1 like they build up to their pr. Um, to break you know to but to win the competition like they do like 9 events for a strong men. It's like and you get points depending on how you place so you could win 3 of them and still lose. You know so it's a completely different way of competing. Um where at powerlifting events. It's all about your total weight combined. So it's your dead lift your squat and your bench.

01:30:10.95

christophknoll

So. Yeah.

01:30:26.78

Paul

Add it up and then whoever gets the highest number is the winner. Um, you can win the bench and still lose but like it it depends on your total number. Um, but yeah Strongman is a fucking crazy crazy different world that they live in.

01:30:35.10

christophknoll

Yep.

01:30:40.79

Paul

Um, the amount of food they eat is crazy like I used to watch so many Brian Shaw food videos. He doesn't really post them anymore I don't think but um I used to watch 10 of tons of his food videos and like man I couldn't even get through like half a day that he he eats.

01:30:56.31

christophknoll

Well, there's um I'm like ah braun stroman he's a W W wrestler who has the build of a strong man. Um, and he talks about how he doesn't calculate calories or macros he goes based off of pounds and he needs to eat.

01:31:02.87

Paul

From.

01:31:10.44

Paul

Wow.

01:31:14.30

christophknoll

He says per day like a pound of fish £2 of chicken ah £2 of rice like an absurd amount of food like when you're measuring in pounds that's wild.

01:31:20.86

Paul

Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, yeah, it really is I mean I just hope that I get to the point where when I'm bulking I can just keep I have to cook rice every day. That's my that's my goal like when you get big enough and you bulking enough to where you have to like. Use your rice cooker and have it sit warm all day because you need to grab rice out of there like that's my goal you know, right now I'm only having like I think the most I have in one day is four and a half you know? Well yesterday was my highcarb day and I had seven and a half ounces of rice throughout the entire day. Um, so three ounces in one meal and four and a half post workout.

01:31:45.30

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

01:31:58.57

Paul

But like I want to get to the point where I'm having like six ounces of rice every meal like that'd be great just just eat tons of rice. But yeah, those guys are crazy. Um I was going to say um Brian's like twelve thousand calories I think at one point in a day every day or something like that.

01:32:01.90

christophknoll

Yeah, but.

01:32:17.62

christophknoll

That's so nuts. That's so nuts.

01:32:18.17

Paul

Like that's like his average or just so yeah, so much and what's funny too is that like he lives in Colorado so like his main I think one of his main sources of protein was bison and he would eat pounds of that a day and bison is not cheap. That's like ten bucks a pound.

01:32:32.58

christophknoll

Now. So.

01:32:35.75

Paul

Like he would go so there is also watch his shopping videos from way back in the day like four or five years ago and he would go every like 2 or 3 days and he would like I think it was like every three days sometimes 2 depending on the program. He's in but he would spend anywhere from like 4 to $500 on food every other like every few days. Which is crazy and he'd shop at like Costco I think for everything because he just had to buy it in so much bulk and just fucking. Not.

01:33:00.33

christophknoll

But that just that just reaffirms how this is you know a money sport and we're not just talking bodybuilding but like all the all the lifting sports in general the amount you have to eat and the amount you have to you know put into your system in regards To. Anabolics and whatnot like it's it's ah it's a big boy sport in terms of financials.

01:33:19.74

Paul

Yeah, it's It's extremely expensive and that's why like they they call bodybuilding ah a rich person sport. They say it's a rich person sport. It's all like it's all first world sports. You know it's like like there are like if you've watched the generation iron documentaries. There are.

01:33:31.88

christophknoll

Me up.

01:33:39.30

Paul

Individuals in Africa who are bodybuilding and stuff like that and try and to bring it but like the problem is is like for them I think they make like like I think it was fuck where was it in the third generation iron I think they were in like Ghana or something and they said that on average the people there make 127 us dollars a month. So they have to like make it work somehow with bodybuilding like they have to like what they eat is like extremely cheap foods like eggs and rice and like that's it because eggs are very sustainable and they're very cheap. Um, and yeah I mean granted, it's more expensive here but like.

01:33:59.88

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:34:13.90

christophknoll

Cheapish they're going up now. Yeah, that's true.

01:34:18.19

Paul

If You have your own chickens which I hope to have one day on my own land I Want to have my own chickens. Um, if you have your own chickens. It's extremely cheap. You just got to buy the bird seed and just give them water. Basically um and they give you eggs every day. So um, it's like eggs and rice and like just whatever cheap stuff they can get like usually scraps from chicken and Shit. Um. So like that's what they have to do and yet these guys have phenomenal genetics which just kind of goes back to like the more African your genetics I think the more like athletically superior you are like these guys are like eating not really as healthy, not healthy. They're eating very healthy, but like.

01:34:47.95

christophknoll

E.

01:34:56.84

Paul

Not as high quality as guys in the Us and guys in Europe and all of that and they're make they have makeshift weights out of like fucking stone and wood and shit and these guys look crazy like they look phenomenal I don't know how they would do in a bodybuilding stage but they look great for.

01:35:03.67

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

01:35:14.83

Paul

What they have So. It's like imagine their potential if they actually had the resources to push their body as far as they could you know I mean it's crazy. Um, but it is like I said it is a rich person Sport. You got it. There's a lot of money Involved. You don't have to be rich to do it but you got to have you got to be able to put money into it. You can't do it if you're. Like you know, lower like very very lower Class. You can't do it living off minimum wage like it's just not possible. Um, so finally I have yeah like lower middle class. It's very difficult. Um.

01:35:37.41

christophknoll

Yeah, it's almost. It's almost not possible in middle class.

01:35:49.85

Paul

That's where I have been most of my life is lower middle class for my career. Um, finally I'm at a place now where I'm like mid to upper middle class. Um with what I'm going to be making soon. Um, and finally I can start affording shit for the gym. Not that I'm just going to go splurge. But like if I need. So more chicken I'll go get it if I need rice or whatever I can go get it like I don't have to worry about that where like the past few months I've been having to like buy chicken every couple days like just to get buy you know and like buy chicken on sale and like buy like the cheapest steak I possibly could like it's like it becomes expensive and it's like. Like my plan changing randomly like he's like all right Let's let's start prep and you got to buy this and this and this and that's like $ 200 two hundred and $50 just down the drain you know I mean it just it adds up chet adds up and like granted when we ran the gh last year he was like let me know when you're ready and I was ready I thought.

01:36:36.94

christophknoll

Um, no.

01:36:47.25

Paul

And I mean I could afford it financially but like it's still expensive like you got to prepare like gh for instance, which you really if you really want to take to the next level you end up taking gh probably and that fucking gets so expensive like a lot of people is like rent if you have roommates is. $400 a month. You know what? I mean it's like it gets it gets up there. My car costs that much and I'm talking about spending it on a fucking Anabolic like what the fuck. So yeah, for real you could ride a bike to the gym.

01:37:05.35

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

01:37:11.77

christophknoll

What do you rather drive today would you rather pin today. The choice is yours.

01:37:22.22

Paul

And take gh or take your car. Um, but yeah I know it gets expensive. Food is very very expensive I mean stay a loan I mean also depends on what your body responds to for me I'm actually on the cheaper side roughly because I take ah I eat a lot of chicken um egg whites can be expensive but like. The grand schemema of things are not super super expensive. Um, but like if you respond really well to a lot of steak and a lot of red meats and a lot of fish. It gets way more expensive. Um I just don't respond super well to a lot of red meat. So I'm blessed in that sense but it gets so expensive I'm a my steak. I have six ounces of steak a day and it costs almost as much to have my steak as it does to have my what what is it like eighteen twenty ounces of chicken a day like that's how much more expensive steak is um so that's why I try to buy it on sale I'm very blessed to be able to go to foodline if you guys go to foodline.

01:38:05.87

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:15.48

Paul

You guys have a food line near you and you're listening go to foodline. They have the best price steak ever. Um, they had last week beginning last week I think it was they had um, $14 pound New York strip on sale for $8 so um, it gets it gets really cheap when you go to foodline. So. Um, I'm I'm blessed to be able to to do that.

01:38:35.33

christophknoll

Yeah, and in general food just continues to spike with I'm not even equating it strictly to inflation but we just keep having these accidents here in the states like a month ago was that chicken farm that just blew up then we had this cow farm that burned to the ground.

01:38:39.46

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:38:54.46

christophknoll

Couple weeks back where it says like 18000 cows were killed like we just keep having these ridiculous accidents and then you know luckily this year already seems to be more of a wet season in terms of leading up to the summer but last summer was such a dry year that it's so tough to.

01:38:58.92

Paul

Um, then.

01:39:13.79

christophknoll

You know, keep food prices down while also you know maintaining the land. So with everything building up like it's it's tough. It really is like I've just eggs eggs where I'm at are just continuing to go up and up and up and.

01:39:17.43

Paul

For in.

01:39:27.20

Paul

Um, in him.

01:39:30.11

christophknoll

Chicken has kind of stabilized again. But for the most part like food is getting up there again and for people who don't have the the high income like I Certainly don't have the high income so I make work with what I have and that can be taxing.

01:39:34.40

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:39:46.76

christophknoll

And can certainly be very taxing.

01:39:48.64

Paul

yeah yeah I mean I remember when that egg shortage happened whatever and it got to like $6 for a dozen eggs like absolutely ridiculous. Granted for here. It's back down. It's like just over two dollars for a dozen. Um, but chicken at one point was so.

01:39:55.62

christophknoll

Yep.

01:40:05.13

Paul

I know the price is a chicken like the back of my hand because I buy so much of it. So at 1 point like a couple years ago chicken was like a dollar 79 a pound and now it's two seventy nine and it's stayed to 79 at 1 point was almost $4 a pound when we had that chicken shortage. It was like $4 pound it was.

01:40:21.16

christophknoll

Yep.

01:40:22.73

Paul

Ridiculous and that's what I eat the most of I go through over a pound a day so um I blow through it like I have to buy if I can go through I probably blow through like £10 in a week probably after I cook it and like lose some of the weight from that and then I eat it I probably go through £10 in a week so like when it's a dollar cheaper like it was this week so I was on sale for dollar 79 of food line I bought like like £15 of chicken or something and just threw to my freezer because it's like it's never that cheap. It's two seventy nine a pound and when it goes up it I fucking feel it I can see to my bank account when it goes up. It sucks. Um.

01:40:49.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:40:59.40

Paul

And egg whites is a bitch too. Egg whites I think used to be like 3 three and a half dollars ah a carton for like a half gallon or whatever it is um you know like it's all kind of like creamer cartons I don't know what to call it. Um. Those were like 3 three and a half dollars now they're $5 on like consistently $5 and they bend $5 for the longest time. So like that adds up because I go through one of those um I think it's like every day and a half or two days I go through one of those like that gets expensive too.

01:41:25.16

christophknoll

Yeah, and it was it was in my diet to get chicken sausage which is more expensive than just chicken breast because you have to they have to you know process it in the sausage way and that.

01:41:29.44

Paul

Ah, to buy 2 cartons every like four or five days

01:41:40.11

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:41:43.88

christophknoll

I'm I'm cutting that from my diet like this week moving forward just because I was paying like almost I know what the per poundage price was but I was paying almost like twenty bucks a week on that which I would I can just substitute that with you know chicken thighs are relatively cheap where.

01:41:54.19

Paul

Are.

01:42:02.28

christophknoll

Where I buy from because like bejs is my my wholesale price and chicken thighs tend to come in under the $2 Mark per pound so and that also saves me so much time prepping because with chicken breast. Obviously I cut it up and um I cut it in smaller like.

01:42:03.50

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:42:09.76

Paul

Um, and her.

01:42:20.30

christophknoll

Chunks but with chicken thighs Honestly I So I do my seasoning and I throw everything in the oven and I just let it bake. It's it's It's far easier to do it that way. So yup, yep, the only thing is it's a little less calorie wise in comparison to a chicken breast.

01:42:24.70

Paul

I Love Chicken thighs in chicken that just tastes so good too. That's the other thing it just.

01:42:39.54

christophknoll

Um, it's It's not yeah, it's It's not a huge huge difference but it's noticeable.

01:42:39.97

Paul

Well, it's more fat and less protein. Yeah, it's just that's the only reason why I don't eat chicken thighs that the gives just fat content. There's just more fat in chicken thighs and there is some chicken breasts. Um.

01:42:49.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:42:54.40

Paul

But yeah I Love Chicken thighs. It's so good. You throw that you throw some like stinky sweet stubs barbecue sauce in there. Oh so good? Um, but yeah that it gets expensive and like not that doesn't even mention supplements supplements are expensive like I have I try to look at supplements per day.

01:42:59.11

christophknoll

So.

01:43:09.22

christophknoll

Yep, even I was going to say even even natural supplements are expensive like.

01:43:12.42

Paul

Because yeah, that's what I'm talking about like literally like Gnc shit like not that I shop a gnc but like shit like that it gets expensive. Um, that's why I try to buy shit on sale. There's a supplement store near me that's wholesale prices. So I buy everything I can from there. Um, because they're very cheap. So. That gets expensive and when it comes to natural supplements like that like pre-workout and Bca a's and whatnot I try to look at it like per serving base versus like the overall cost because sometimes it's like like I'm like looking at gurilla mine I'm like fifty bucks for a pre-workout like that's a shit ton and then it's like but if it's like. A lot of servings then it's not bad, but then I say 20 servings I'm like dude that's two and a half dollars of serving that's fucking crazy. But then if I'm looking at like um like ah I don't know let's say I go to the go to the wholesale supplement store and I get like fifty one and fifty from 5%

01:43:58.35

christophknoll

Yup.

01:44:09.30

Paul

It's like $30 for like 30 servings since a dollar per serving I'm like that's so much more value than $50 for 20 Um, and what's make what pisses me off so much is the cost of godzilla from rise.

01:44:22.94

christophknoll

Yep.

01:44:23.32

Paul

That's so upsetting I'm like dude there is no reason that this preworkout should be sixty fucking dollars like what who do you think you are charging 30 3 $3 whatever it is per serving I'm like that's absurd but whatevers if you want to buy it. That's that's up to you but um.

01:44:27.68

christophknoll

Who.

01:44:41.38

Paul

Yeah, supplements get very expensive. Your coach can be very expensive as well. Um, some coaches are very very expensive on the especially if you're on the pro side.

01:44:49.69

christophknoll

Well even on the even on the the cheaper side like I mean out I'm not actually not to dox him but my coach was um, you know, still a decent amount like for people who don't make a ton of money like that's a lot out of like it's basically a car payment.

01:45:06.41

Paul

Yeah, yeah, basically I mean my coach um I'm grandfathered and grandfathered a at the price that I'm at so I'm very blessed for that I'm not going to talk about it but like like professional coaches coach like Dom my coaches coach I think he.

01:45:06.44

christophknoll

That's what it is.

01:45:24.12

Paul

From when I've heard this speculation is anywhere from 600 to $800 a month to have him as a coach. Yeah I mean granted, you're you're working with a wellrenowned coach and like he really does take his athletes like really far professionally. So.

01:45:26.92

christophknoll

Wild.

01:45:41.23

Paul

You know you do need a coach like that at some point typically but like coaches are very expensive. What's surprising in a lot of people aren't going to believe me the cheapest part of bodybuilding is the drugs. That's the cheapest part. It's actually extremely cheap depending on what you're doing.

01:45:54.00

christophknoll

So.

01:45:59.83

Paul

For prep for instance, what I'm doing right now is on the more expensive side. Um, because prop is less per milliliter of what you're buying. But like if you're bulking or cruising like like say let's say like t r t like t r t injectable like if you bought it like on your own. You don't go through a doctor Whatever if you go through a doctor. It's so fucking expensive to run cycles. It is unbelievable. Um I mean testosterone will run you like $200 a month which is ridiculous. Um, but like if I'm running like a cruise dose of like a hundred fifty milligrams on test and test and inate I could run.

01:46:29.80

christophknoll

Um.

01:46:37.90

Paul

Ah, could spend maybe $90 one hundred dollars every like six months like that's how cheap it gets um so drugs itself is very cheap, especially if you buy in bulk if you buy directly from the source like directly from the source of like testosterone which is typically from China most most drugs are made in China. Um. You you buy directly from them. You can buy like a shit ton of test for like nothing. Um, granted I mean obviously it's a lot of money like I've talked to guys who've who's bought like tons and milliliters for like five hundred bucks but it lasts them like 2 years So um, they buy it in bulk and then just let us sit but like it gets. It's pretty cheap for the most part. Um.

01:47:13.29

christophknoll

Do you know? do you know if the top your head expiration dates on those things. Okay.

01:47:15.50

Paul

Besides gh um very long actually people were surprised to hear that but like usually from my understanding I could be wrong. It depends on what oils they use to bind it with so like like let's say like my source for instance. Essentially what he gets he gets powders in ah um, in right? Then he puts those powders in a vial and then he puts mct oil in that um and binds it as not really binds it like lets it dilute lets it sit for a bit lets it mature and so like. I think my understanding of that with mcct oil is like 3 to 4 years per mile is roughly how warm it last? Yeah last a while um like my masteron that I'm taking right now I got like September of last year no not last year like was it last year no I think it's September of 2021.

01:47:54.17

christophknoll

A wow.

01:48:09.28

Paul

And I have like no worries whether or not it's's still good. You know? So um, yeah, right? you would think so but it it really does. It has a long as shelf life. Um, same with orals orals have a very long shelf life just because Their're Pills Um Pills have very long, pretty long shelf life. Um.

01:48:10.60

christophknoll

Yeah, which is crazy I would not have thought that it has that lung of a shelf life.

01:48:29.14

Paul

I mean it depends on what you get and depends on what oils they use stuff like that. Um, like for instance like my Kr Goline I think is mixed with some sort of like type of alcohol I think um, which is what most sarms are most sarms are combined with some sort of alcohol. Um, so those don't last nearly as long as like. And Mct oil. Um Atabolic um I believe again I could be wrong. Um, but that's just from what I've heard Anecdotally and what people have found testing wise. Um and it could be different depending on the oils people use. Um I don't know what other oils people use I just know mine uses Mct. But I have to look into it I have a new source for master on prop because my source doesn't provide master on prop. But um, yeah, So we'll we'll I'll find that out. Um, see if I can find out what the what the shelf life is. But yeah, it's pretty long. It's it's longer than most people think.

01:49:20.39

christophknoll

Yeah, like just thinking about it like you'd think that a substance that you're putting in your body to achieve the effects that you're willing to you know work towards would be considerably shorter on shelf life. It would be I would like obviously not.

01:49:34.81

Paul

We have.

01:49:40.22

christophknoll

Now having the insider information but before thinking maybe like month tops because like I think of it like food almost because like the the way your body consumes and obviously it's a chemical so it's a different like bounce for your body for how it breaks it down. But yeah, that's that's just wild to me.

01:49:52.53

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:49:55.75

Paul

Yeah I mean most cycles run for like three or four months so there wouldn't really be a chance of using an anabolic that only lasted a month um it would go bad super fast. There'd be there. Be really no point in getting it. Um, and also. Like when you got buy it from someone usually it sits for a little bit because they don't sell all of it at once you know so like you might buy something that's like a couple months they've had it for a couple months just sitting there ready like my guy for instance, um, he he just recently got in test prop test prop is very popular. Um.

01:50:19.93

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:50:31.51

Paul

Same with n ofr he has problems with sourcing like the amount of test propp and annnavar that he sells but like trend sits for fucking ever because not many people take trend. It's not so like when I I usually send him an email I'm like hey do you have this in stock or this in stock like whatever I plan on getting. And I asked about master test prop and he said um I should have it on Monday I asked on like a Thursday air or something he's like I can't he's like I he's like I forget what he said exactly was like I'm dying for it on Monday or something or like like he really like express the urge that he needs it for Monday. He's like I hope I get it on Monday or something but it should be in on Monday um, and he said and plenty of it. Um, and then I said what about trend Ace and he said yeah I got plenty of it. Let me know how much you need. It's like all right cool. Um, so like there's some stuff that sits for a little longer. Um, but like.

01:51:18.60

christophknoll

Okay, yeah.

01:51:25.33

Paul

So for instance, like when I said the hgh you like mix it with backwater anything you have to mix with backwater like um Hcg or hch um hcd hcg for those that don't know is a um, basically like um. Like a sexual support drug. Um, it helps with pct post psychotherapy it. It builds up your fertility back to normal helps with going back to natural testosterone levels that comes in the form of powder and then you mix that with backwater. Um and those don't last as long those those are pretty quick to to expire? Um. From my understanding because you're not mixing with the oil. It doesn't really last that long. Um, granted also hcgs um I believe it's you can buy it over the counter. Actually you can buy it like online. Um, also for those listening if you're still listening. Do not buy shit online. Don't go to like some website and buy trend. Almost guarantee, you're getting something bullshit because anybody who's actually selling anabolics does not want the government to know that they're selling anabolics. It's it's in a legal substance. So if you're able to pay with the debit card online chances are you're not getting what you're actually buying chances are.

01:52:23.38

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:52:33.14

christophknoll

Yep.

01:52:33.86

Paul

And you can buy sarms and stuff online. That's different because it's it's a gray area with the Fda. They've they've approved it for research purposes so you can buy it online with the understanding when you buy it from the website that you're green that you're going to use it for research purposes. So. The website will say check this box agreeing that you're going to use it for research purposes is is not for human consumption but bla blah. That's how they get around it but anabolics are illegal. It's like saying you can go online and buy cocaine like you're not just going to be able to go online and buy cocaine maybe go on the dark web or something if you're going through tor. Perhaps but also be careful.

01:53:03.37

christophknoll

The Fitchburg dealers are going on Mainstream internet.

01:53:09.20

Paul

Yeah, like it doesn't fucking make sense like it just logically doesn't make any sense. Um, so don't do that I've seen guys like make jokes about videos of ordering tread online and it's like dude, there's no shot. You're getting trend like there's no shot. That's actually trend like there's there are brands that make like oral versions of.

01:53:20.54

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:53:27.90

Paul

Like they make like oral pills of stuff that's like supposed to help your body in a similar way. Um I Forget exactly what brand it is but like there's a brand that has pills that like literally say the drugs that they're based off of like oh en ofvar diaal or trend. It's just like it's just pills that helps with putting on weight or taking off fat. Whatever but they're like oh it's like you get results that are similar but it's like saying like like you're getting a. Like 5% similarity like it's not nearly as potent or anything so it's like you got to be careful with what you're buying because you're really not buying what you think you're buying if you're buying shit like that. Um, so do not buy shit online and.

01:54:07.44

christophknoll

And I would even go as far as to stay, you shouldn't even even if you find a source online shouldn't even be doing it by yourself. It should be through you know through through. Some other person that you know that has good experience. So that's why we recommend like a coach or something like that or like god forbid if I tried to freelance I would go through Paul or something like that which you know not not the move. You should do. But I'm saying you want to have a person already in the field already doing it instead of saying.

01:54:22.74

Paul

Yes.

01:54:39.34

Paul

Yes, yeah, you don't so like when I say Forums like there are very specific forums that will give like good sources and the sources are kind of like in a way sponsored like um one of those forums that I went to is my source now. Um, and.

01:54:40.38

christophknoll

Reddit told me this guy's good.

01:54:56.99

Paul

It's only because they've tested so many different sources and so many different individuals who sell it that they're like okay from what we can tell this guy has the most high quality stuff and we like vouch for him and now this guy has like kind of like ah like ah like a community like he's part of this community now because he's like. You know there's this forum and this is community and like this this source for this community like he is the one that supplies for all these people. Um my source I got from somebody else literally says when I emailed them because this is almost always done through email. When I emailed them. It said do not give my email to anybody else and if you do I will cancel all orders and you will never hear from me again like basically what it says in that email like the shit's serious guys. Um, these people are literally drug dealers that you're dealing with um so like.

01:55:38.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:55:49.72

Paul

The the only way to get that individual's contact information is through someone that has been given the okay to give it to others. Um, so it's very specific. So um.

01:55:58.20

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:56:05.27

Paul

The only reason I got the first source is because someone I know who knows a lot about this stuff has said this is the guy I used to use. He doesn't take it anymore and he said everything I've taken is really good. Worth the good prices. Great guy Response fast. Whatever So That's a guy I've been using for the longest time I've been I've had nothing but good stuff with him. Um, but this new guy is way more serious because he works with a lot more pros for my Understanding. He's way more up there in that than the um sourcing department because he has a lot more phis or stuff a lot of bearer stuff a lot of like he's got the ins like he's got the ins when it comes to like getting really crazy shit. Um and he is Even. He's even carrying like Brand name master on and shit like like shit you don't find anywhere else. So This guy's very serious about his security I'm just assuming It's a guy I have no idea. Um, but yeah, it's it can be dangerous.

01:56:49.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:56:56.20

christophknoll

But hey if you if you want to take the try on the guy that's doing it from the gym bathroom. You do you boo.

01:57:03.84

Paul

He yeah, just just know you might not get an exactly what you're you're hoping for There's a lot of bro science out there I'll never tell someone what to take ever I don't have enough knowledge for that. Um, it would take me 1015 years of this shit to be like potentially at that point. Um. So like if anybody's in the gym telling you what to take and is not your coach who has been vetted and is like known to be a highquality coach. Don't take that word for word like that's just called broad science and do not like I will talk about what I take but do not take what I take do not do what I do because. The reason we do what I do is because of the results that I get from it. You know it's the way my body responds. Yeah, exactly my goals are different the way my body is built the way the where I am like it's so fine tuned to me specifically that nobody should ever be doing exactly what I'm doing so.

01:57:41.34

christophknoll

Yeah, and your goals.

01:57:57.10

Paul

Um, if you're so listening. Do not do any of that. Um, do not do what I'm doing. Do not take what I say word for word, this is just anecdotally. Yeah, allegedly what I take this is just anecdotal stuff. Um, this is my understanding of it. This is Christoph's understanding of it. Um, and we're just expressing our knowledge.

01:58:05.63

christophknoll

Allegedly.

01:58:16.50

Paul

To help build up your knowledge. Um.

01:58:16.65

christophknoll

And you should also do kind of like what I did experiment and see if you can even keep up with the lifestyle before you even hop on anything because like it was clear that it wasn't working for me so that saves me the because when you do take that it's potential.

01:58:23.21

Paul

Yes, yeah.

01:58:35.90

christophknoll

More than likely messing up your longevity like there's no like Michael Hearn that there's no such thing as longevity when you're doing this kind of stuff like so you have to factor that in and if you don't have everything tuned and tiered up for that like there's no point. So.

01:58:40.76

Paul

Um.

01:58:45.96

Paul

Ah.

01:58:52.13

Paul

Yeah, you can you can do this shit in a healthy way. Absolutely but it it could potentially take years off your life very very many years off your life if you if done properly. Um, and one of the reasons I mean I know.

01:59:04.43

christophknoll

Yep.

01:59:07.30

Paul

Your coach is a good coach I've heard it around and you know I've seen people who work with him but I also knew that he was a good coach because he said I want to see how you respond to things before we even talk about Anabolics you know respond to food how you respond to training That's also how I knew he was a good coach because any good coach will not put you on drugs right away.

01:59:15.20

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:59:24.24

Paul

If a coach is going to put you on drugs right? away. He's not a good coach. He doesn't know what the hell he's doing um, that's yeah and also like when you were with your coach. Another thing I wanted to see too is if you got to the point where you were going to do your first cycle I want to see what his first cycle idea was for you.

01:59:28.19

christophknoll

Trying to make money off you.

01:59:43.23

Paul

Because if he has you on if your coach for your first cycles over a gram of shit. He has no idea what the hell he's doing because over a gram of shit your first cycle is dumb. Yeah, let me let me spend 11 grand a month for no reason there's no reason your drug should ever cost $11000 a month. No reason.

01:59:48.34

christophknoll

Give me give me that eleven and a half thousand liver king recycle

02:00:00.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

02:00:03.20

Paul

Let me just say that. But yeah, it's it's not good I mean this is I think one of the most I've overtaken in one go and it's seven hundred Milligrams so less is more I'll always preach that I didn't say it enough earlier today I didn't really say it at all less is more and that goes for training in food too. If you're not making progress.

02:00:08.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

02:00:20.75

Paul

Um, it's most likely because you're doing too much of something you're doing too much training. You're eating too much whatever it is sometimes the simplest solution is the answer and sometimes it just means a rest day. You know another rest day week less food even could be. You know the result that you need or like the what you need to make more results. Um. You know, less cardio all of that less is a lot of the time more um and drugs is the same way. Less drugs is usually more. Um, if you start off with a shit ton of Drugs. You can only keep taking a shit ton. But if you start off with a little bit. You'll make just as much progress as you would with a shit ton. But it's also a lot better for your health and you can.

02:00:50.91

christophknoll

Yep.

02:00:57.71

Paul

Hypothetically increase it from there and get more results. You know if you start off at the low threshold then you can slowly work your way up and make better and better and better progress. That's just how the gym works um, with that being said, we're kind of coming up on our cap here. Um for 2 hours um want to mention we have a new segment coming called fitness audit. Um, we're going to have guests on the show where we're going to audit what what they do in the gym and why they're potentially not making progress. Um, whether they got a new plan from some coach they you know working with um, you know some fitness coach or whatever it is um. You know or if they're not making progress because the food they're eating. You know, kind of dissect it with them over the ah over the episode and figure out what they can do to potentially make more progress or get back to making progress again. So we're going to have that. Um, also um, don't forget we have a Youtube channel. We got to upload the episodes. We're kind of behind on it. You know we've chrisof and I have both been very very busy lately. So um, we're going to catch up to it but subscribe to our Youtube channel if you are watching this on Youtube subscribe hit that like button comment what you guys think if you guys aren't on our Youtube channel subscribe. Um, you can comment what you guys think of our episodes interact with us there. Um, and also don't forget about our website hghcast.com um there you can I believe you can leave comments and everything. Um, so don't forget about that as well. You can ask can engage with us there.

02:02:24.70

christophknoll

And we're on Tiktok. Yeah, you're good. Yeah.

02:02:27.28

Paul

Yes, yes, we got to upload more videos in Tiktok I'm kind of behind on that we're behind in Youtube shorts as well. But um, yeah, yeah, well we'll get on top of it. But yeah, so follow us in tiktokhghpodcast um yeah yeah we don't got any help. So.

02:02:37.45

christophknoll

This is the struggle of a self-produced show. Yeah.

02:02:45.40

Paul

Um, we'll we'll keep uploading spread The word guys. We rely on you guys as word of mouth for other listeners so spread the word tell people about us. Um, we do it for our own Sake. We do it for Fun. You know, um, our numbers don't really matter to Us. We just do it because we want to do it. We Want to talk about this stuff. But. Um, you know the more listeners the better.. Hopefully our knowledge has spread further. So um, spread the word all right Thanks for listening? Yeah, see you guys.

02:03:09.14

christophknoll

Hell yeah man alright everybody we will see you next week bye everybody


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