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HGH #35 - New Show Date


00:00.00

christophknoll

Welcome back everybody we are back with yet another week of the podcast.

00:03.71

Paul

Welcome back welcome back appreciate you guys listening? Um, we get a good topic today I mean not really much to update you guys on as far as my end I mean just getting ready for my show. Um, it was oh actually no, that's that's what's new. So um, actually let me give a.

00:21.64

christophknoll

Oh nothing new to update and then immediately goes into. Ah.

00:22.92

Paul

Yeah, me, nothing new and then I was like wait wait a minute there is something to update. Um, so we've we've known you know I talked about it last weekend where um, you know we're within twelve weeks or whatever it was that my coach said a couple weeks back so you know last week I was give or take like 8 to ten weeks out wherever it is um but actually. I think it was Tuesday of this week I think it was yeah it was Tuesday um, my coach picked the show. So I'm going to be doing um victory classic here in Shelby North Carolina June Twenty Fourth so I am um, just exactly five weeks out as of today which today is the twentieth of may so I'm five weeks out right now because the twenty fourth is a Saturday and today is a Saturday so I'm exactly five weeks out right now. Um tomorrow' is gonna be four weeks and some change so got that coming up which is gonna be interesting I was surprised that he picked such a close show.

01:13.90

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

01:17.80

Paul

Um, just because we have to kind of put the hammer down now and drop some fat. Um, but I mean it is kind of coming off pretty quick for the most part and you know we'll just cut some food. Add some cardio and maybe increase Allegit Anabolics maybe I'm not sure yet. Um, but. We'll go from there. So I mean that's that's my newest update so I got five weeks and I got a week in Florida next month before the show. So I'll be two weeks out um from the some I'm in Florida from the eighth to I think the fourteenth so I'm there for a week um and then I got my show a little over a week after I get back.

01:51.54

christophknoll

Ah, so you're almost at peak week and and you're.

01:54.27

Paul

Literally literally. Yeah I'm going to be dice as fuck for Florida dude I'm so hyped like I'm going to be my leanus I've ever been? Oh yeah, I mean it'll be hard because like when we were last in Florida we were getting dinner all the time like almost every day we're going out to dinner and.

01:58.83

christophknoll

Yeah, well I'm worried I'm not worried about that I'm worried about the temptations.

02:13.36

Paul

Um, and we were getting ice cream after and shit like that. So. it's like I mean that was a couple years ago but um yeah it's couldnna be hard but also like it's could be kind of um, kind of a test to me whether or not I want it bad enough because I'm going to be so close to my show that anything I eat off plan. I'm not gonna I'm going to set that goal for myself to not anything off plan remotely just water really at restaurants. But um that if I eat anything off plan. It's going to reflect my show. Um because I'm not going to come in and because we have so much work to do in the next five weeks like it's really going to set me back I'm not talking like like if we're sixteen weeks out and I'm at the level I'm at now we barely have to do any cutting really like a super lean cut like like a couple hundred calories under maintenance and I'd get really lean for a show if I was sixteen weeks out but I'm five weeks out and I still got quite a bit of weight to lose so anything that i. Like take in that's not part of the plan and put on as weight is you're going to reflect obviously in the show. So it's gonna be that much more of a motivator.

03:11.30

christophknoll

I Expect to I expect to get a text from you saying the restaurant wouldn't let me use their microwave to heat up my chicken and rice.

03:21.80

Paul

Dude I'm goingnna I'm wondering if they'll let me do that like if I to be like can you guys just like microwave this I'll pay you guys like five bucks or something to microwave it like like just a minute I'll be like specifically this 1 minute in 20 seconds that's that this the sweet spot can I do that but like bring it out when their food comes out.

03:32.99

christophknoll

And please and please clean out the microwave I don't want anything else in there.

03:38.55

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, no, no oils I don't want any fish Residue Nothing I don't want carb residue If there's any fucking fats in there. Take it out I brought my microwave can you plug it in just a fresh microwave.

03:50.26

christophknoll

Ah, if.

03:55.41

christophknoll

Don't even ask them just find them like a wall outlet and plugin. What is someone else has a booth and you walk up you like excuse me I'm gonna need your booth for the the next minute twenty.

03:56.65

Paul

Yeah.

04:03.89

Paul

Yeah, 1 minute 20 exactly let me plug it in real quick. Yeah I know I mean dod that'd be cool if they they could microwave it I don't know I mean I'm gonna I got to try to keep this same circadian rhythm for the most part so I got to like roughly train I mean ideally I want to wake up and go to bed on the same time than I normally do. Um, that's the biggest thing and then I want to train. Ideally I mean I'm going to end up training in the morning. Um, if I could pick I'd train in the early afternoon but we're going to be at the beach at the time. So I'm going to train in the morning. Um and try to eat at the same time every day as I as I normally do so. Um, right now I'm trying to get my meals in within the same like ten minute or so time frameme for each meal. So like my first meal is usually around eight thirty um my second meals around like 1115 my third meals around 2 so I'm trying to get it like the exact same 10 minute time frameme or so give or take 10 minutes um so I'm going to try to do that when I'm done in Florida as well. But again, it'll be a test. It'll be a test of how bad I want it I mean I've been. We've been working towards the show for about two and a half years now. So.

05:08.62

christophknoll

Was there any kind of mindset change for you when he finally gave you the date because obviously you guys knew that it was coming up but the actual date was set The actual venue was picked was there like a change from that point forward.

05:15.86

Paul

Ah.

05:25.27

Paul

Um, not not really drastically like it's more of like I have a deadline now. So it's like before I was still doing the same thing I was sticking to the plan not deviating I knew show was coming up soon I'm trying to lose all the fat I can. That's what I was focusing on but now it's like okay.

05:28.93

christophknoll

Yeah.

05:41.37

Paul

This is when I need to come dialed in and if I'm this far out. How do I look in comparison to the competition stuff like that. So like I already know a few guys were competing in that show. Um, one of them is actually one my ah my coach's other client and then chewy has a client. Um, that's competing in that in that show as well. So like. I can kind of I know a couple of guys roughly who's going to be competing in it. So I'm like okay um I know che his clients gonna be competing in master so he won't be my competition but my coach's other client I think will end up being in my height range as well. So he might be even the same class as me. So it's like okay how does he look five weeks out versus me. So.

06:12.13

christophknoll

Oh.

06:20.12

Paul

Um, that's kind of what's coming into my head now is like what's my competition looking like I mean I've been to the show before past two years I've actually gone as as a spectator um because I've known people competing in each year um two years ago was my coach and then the year but the year after so last year was chewy. He was competing in it. So I went for that. So I've been in the past two years and I know the level of competition there. So um, basically my coach is like you're going to get at least overall like placing so like he's basically guaranteeing me the class win which is kind of what I expect. Um.

06:51.62

christophknoll

Um, yeah, we still got to work for it.

06:55.13

Paul

Yeah, of course of course. Um, if if everything goes to plan widget should um I'll be at least winning the class and then going for overall after that, but it also depends on his other client competing so Herman him and I both have our pros and cons. So. It's I think it's going to come down to what the judges prefer. Um. Got to get some posing work in for my transitions. He has to get his posing in for the actual poses themselves. So we got our pros and cons here in there. But um, as far as mindset goes I mean what's funny is that the day he told me that night I had a super vivid dream of me competing like felt real and then the next morning I dropped I weighed myself and dropped over two pounds overnight

07:27.92

christophknoll

Um, yeah, manifesting manifesting the potential.

07:32.17

Paul

Um, granted, it's back on now. No but for real like that's what it was like granted it's ah it's back on now I'm back over 200 but I was like one ninety nine point or one ninety eight point eight or something. Um, so I dropped like two over two and a half pounds like since from Saturday to wednesday.

07:46.93

christophknoll

Um.

07:51.99

Paul

Um, when I did my Wednesday weigh and so now I have two weighins a week Wednesdays and Saturdays in the case we need to make any differences and the closer we get to the show the more of my weigh-ins are gonna be. It's probably gonna pride peak week is go be like daily weigh-ins. But yeah so I mean really just for me now is' just staying dialed in making sure I'm not deviating and it's like.

08:02.45

christophknoll

Yeah.

08:11.29

Paul

Like no I can't eat that like I literally like we went to this like this like picnic thing today that was like done up and all of that with our friends and like I you saw it on my you could see it on my Instagram story like literally like my tuppware like plain chicken and green beans in the tuppware on the the plate and everybody else has eaten like Chick -fil-a and you know chips and stuff like that and drinking alcohol and I'm here with like an energy drink a zero calorie energy drink and chicken and broccoli or not chicken bra tricking a green beans. So yeah, it's um, it's like I literally can't stray at all like there's there's no choice like I have to stay on on plan you know.

08:30.51

christophknoll

Yep. See.

08:45.47

christophknoll

But they they had a microwave for a minute twenty there. So that's good.

08:50.31

Paul

Yeah, well my crive the inside and then brought it out to the picnic. So I had to I had to do that. But everything else was like pre-made they had like um like pre-made subs from like firehouse subs and stuff which is like a big subchain down here. So like that was hard but it was really hard to stick to the plan watching all that but like that's also gonna be my test in Florida.

09:02.43

christophknoll

Oof.

09:09.23

Paul

Like 1 of my favorite foods ever is gatorer and it's so hard to get it anywhere but Florida so like that sucks I'm not gonna be able getting gator. Um, so.

09:14.36

christophknoll

And plus Florida just has the overall like ambience and nightlife especially to just very easily go out and do stuff so that's going to be a test too.

09:23.95

Paul

Oh yeah, yeah, and we go out every night for dinner and like a lot of time we do lunches and stuff and it's like we're going to be. They're all going to be drinking. We're go be walking on like a board walking and shit like going to cstk So like there's gonna be a lot to do um and like a lot of ice cream and shit and it's like I literally can't have any of that like I'm going to be carrying a jug of water with me everywhere I go.

09:33.56

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

09:41.85

Paul

Like I'm going to have to figure out something to tie me over like just to get through the day. Um, and I'm going to be two weeks out so I'm going to be hungry as shit, but the good news is is that we don't really do much as it is like most of the day we end up just lounging on the beach besides like going out to dinner and walking around. Maybe after that. Um.

09:42.10

christophknoll

Um.

09:57.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

09:59.98

Paul

So like for the most part I'll be Loungen and just kind of doing whatever and then I could just eat whenever and I'll be enjoying the sun I'll get a little tan prior to the actual spray tan for the show and then ah.

10:09.23

christophknoll

Are you doing your own spray tan. Are you going somewhere for it.

10:13.27

Paul

No, every show they do? Ah um, almost every single show. There's a spray 10 company that will sponsor the show and they do the spray tens for everybody. Um, so they you end up doing it like the day before during the weigh ins I think so I got to go ah the day before the. two days before I got to check exactly when it is we go weigh in um I think it's a Thursday so the show's on a Saturday um I think it's that Thursday from 5 to 7 I have to go and weigh in so to drive somewhere I think it's to the hotel or something and weigh in I think that's when they do the spray tan. Um. So yeah, that's that's what we gotta do. But what sucks is that.

10:50.47

christophknoll

Your wife didn't want to ah didn't want to get the can and do it herself.

10:55.14

Paul

Nope no, she's got this tening lotion now that's been working for her but I'm like I'll just wait I'm gonna wait for Florida get some natural tan and then they got a spray tan me anyways for the show. So um, but if we do do the spray I'll find out more I if if we do the spray 10 before the show. Um, then I'm going to need to change the sheets on the bed and do like shitty sheets that we don't mind like kind of ruining a little bit like it'll mostly wash out but in the case that it does stain a little bit I don't want to stay in our main sheets that we use so got to prioritize that.

11:15.69

christophknoll

Um, yep, yup.

11:24.94

christophknoll

I would probably sleep in like sweatpants and a bagy sweatshirt and just cover yourself completely and and just like throw out the clothes or inside out the wash or like.

11:35.70

Paul

Yeah, yeah, that's that's an idea. Um I don't know I'll talk to my coach and I'll talk to other guys who compete and see what they do? Um, but yeah, so that's that's the biggest change this week is just um, nothing's changed actually on the program yet I'm I'm kind of waiting for my coach to send me an update changes are he. He is going to send me an update at some point so I'm just waiting for that. Um, and then we'll probably you know, whatever it is the change of I'll get into it but we haven't changed anything with that Wednesday update so Wednesday weigh in that is.

12:06.31

christophknoll

And you're doing men's physique. So what's your way in cap. What's what do you have to come in under.

12:12.17

Paul

Um, I think let me check. So I think it's based off to Npc Um, let me check? Yeah um i' go look it up see if I could find the the weight caps and stuff.

12:16.20

christophknoll

Because I know it's based off obviously your height. So.

12:28.27

christophknoll

Um.

12:29.73

Paul

Um, let's see. Ah yeah June Twenty Fourth kaie promotions registration is not open yet I'll pay for that next month and you also got to pay for an npc card which is like one hundred and fifty bucks which is dumb but I get it. Um.

12:41.40

christophknoll

Yeah, is that like a step above amateur shows like.

12:47.56

Paul

No, so Npc is like basically the amateur division and then there's ifbb.

12:50.67

christophknoll

Well I isn't there shows you can just play pay like a flat rate and just go.

12:59.18

Paul

Um, it might may maybe but if it's not if it's part of the npc what you have to do is um, you have to pay for an Npc card which allows you to compete in the npc. It's like a yearly thing it's one hundred and fifty bucks a year.

13:10.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

13:13.84

Paul

And allows you compete in any show you want and then you got to pay to actually compete in the show. So it's $150 for the card and then it's 115 to compete in each class. So like if I um go to like compete in classic and men's physique then um. Then I have to pay for like $230 or something. So um, let me see if I can find ah rules. Let's see men's physique I think it's based off to npc um.

13:33.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

13:49.25

christophknoll

I'm also happy to announce that I will be competing in the show as well. I'll be there in the in the wheelchair division and really really wrap in things.

13:58.80

Paul

Yeah, yeah, good idea. Um well okay, so it depends on how many height classes there are so I don't know how many classes there are gonna be so there from my understanding there isn't like a weight cap. Um for men's physique but the thing is is you're going for a certain look. So you don't want to be heavy coming into it classic physique. There is a weight cap you have to be in a weight range. Um, but men's physique you have to fit the men's physique look so like four heightight classes. So just like there's up to 8 high classes anywhere from 2 to 8 which I think this one.

14:34.10

Paul

Um, if I remember properly was I think 4 I'm pretty sure last year I think it was 4 which is five six and under five six to 5 8 ight five 8 to 5 10 and over five ten. But it's five six so it's over five six up to including five eight so like if you're 5 eight and a half you have to be the one above that. Um, but if you're exactly 5 8 then you can compete in that lower class if you want to? Um, so chances are I'm gonna end up being the 5 tenant up. Um, but if there's 6 weight classes which probably not um.

14:58.50

christophknoll

Yeah.

15:09.86

Paul

They're split into like one inch ranges so five seven and under and then five seven five 8 5 8 5 9 five 9 to 115 and then five ten five Eleven is six foot and then six foot and up. So um, yeah, it's a bit. It's a bit more either way, you're guaranteed to be in the highest weight or highest.

15:21.95

christophknoll

That's me.

15:27.89

Paul

Height class because even with 8 height classes. It's over six one. So like you're going to you. You would be in the tallest weight height class no matter what? um so with like chey he's five five so he's in the shortest one each time so like he doesn't have to worry about what class he's in for me, it's like who am I competing against because.

15:30.76

christophknoll

Yeah I would be in everything.

15:45.88

Paul

Like my other coach's client is like around 5 10 and I'm like five eleven five eleven and a half even sometimes closer to six foot depending on my posture for the day or whatever so like are we going to be competing against each other It's like we don't know my coach is hoping we're not he's hoping that we're in different weight or height classes. So. That way. We're not competing against each other until the overall.

16:09.25

christophknoll

I Wonder if there's like as a coaches standpoint like wanting to get into multiple classes so then obviously like if yeah, if let's say you let's say you get separate divisions and um, different height divisions I mean and you ah.

16:22.56

Paul

Yeah.

16:25.74

christophknoll

You wipe the floor and yours and he wipes the floor in his obviously people will ask like who's your coach and whatnot. So I feel like there's incentive for him to have you guys in separate divisions and do well because then his name gets out there more.

16:40.51

Paul

Yeah, yes, and no, but he's my coach is at the point where he has like a waitlist on his clients. So like he yeah, he's at the point where he can pick and choose who his clients are um, tons of people asked to be his client so he's at that point now. So for him it' not really about.

16:46.42

christophknoll

Ah, okay.

16:57.19

Paul

Like if you're new as a coach then yeah, the marketing is a little bit There's a little bit of an incentive. Um, but a lot of the time most bodybuilders at this point are anywhere from five eight to like six foot typically so like it's hard to be like yeah I want. This guy and this guy to compete in the show even though this guy's not ready. It's like it's really ideally just whoever is ready you know and he's been the other the other um, the other client has been has been in prep for way longer than I have been so um.

17:27.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

17:32.44

Paul

That would be interesting as well. I think he's been in prep for like it's going to end up being probably about twelve weeks when he hits the show for me. It's going to be like 8 Maybe maybe a little less. So um, that's going to be interesting at least. But yeah, so we'll see um I'm hoping to get the overall. That's that's what I'm hoping.

17:48.53

christophknoll

Just gotta have that confidence that you've been. You've been having for for a while like just bring that in and just crush it.

17:52.63

Paul

Yeah I mean we put. Yeah, we've put so much effort and work in the past like two and a half years my coach and I and like we've been ready for a show for like a year and a half like my first show was supposed to be January of last year but we've been pushing it off until I was ready until like I had enough muscle mass I had like good proportions like my posing was down like we were waiting for everything and then the wedding came along and we're gonna do September of last year and then push that because he didn't want to push my body through it and then. Have my wedding like right after and have my hormones all fucked up so it's like all right, let's just push it to laughter and then so like it was just ah, um, like we just kept pushing it pushing and pushing it. So now. It's at this point where it's like I'm gonna end up being on the heavier side like what I want to be like I'm gonna probably be like. One eighty five ish 82 85 which really from there only maybe like ten fifteen more pounds of muscle and I could probably compete in like the pro stage. So um, which really like is pretty cool. Um for me at this point. It's not necessarily about hit my pro card because I don't necessarily.

18:50.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

19:01.63

Paul

Think even if I get my pro card I don't think I'll even really compete in pro for a while. Um, so for me, it's just getting up on stage and and ideally I want to get nationally qualified That's my goal in losing all the fat that's stubborn so that way I can keep a better proportion physique throughout the year even in the offseason. Um, you know, consistently. Having abs versus like before with the baby fat that's still there. It'll cover my abs when I'm bulking so like I want to be able to lose all that so I can stay relatively lean for the most part throughout the year yeah no they like um tristan lee its like dice the gills constantly.

19:28.83

christophknoll

Joe Aesthetics Lean all of the year yeah the entire year.

19:39.29

Paul

Um, yeah, he was going to kill himself with the food he was eating though. It was ridiculous just all protein like Keto diet Twenty four seven um but yeah, so that's that's my main goal right now. So it's less about like getting my pro card and stuff because a lot of time guys who get their pro cards aren't ready to compete professionally.

19:45.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

19:58.99

Paul

They just want to be able to say their pros and it's like yeah, there's that incentive but like you're going to end up paying for a 500 pro card or whatever it's cost now and you're not going to compete for a year so it's just going to go down the drain you know? So it's like what's the point you know I'd rather.

20:07.94

christophknoll

Yeah, is there an is there an expiration. Let's say you hit pro. Do you ever lose pro status or can you just keep renewing.

20:20.67

Paul

Yeah, you just keep renewing each year and you're good. Um, so you just keep you just keep paying your yearly amount and you can keep your pro card. Um I don't know if there is any like you can like if you want it and then just like quit the rest of your life and you're still in I vb pro if you keep making that yearly payment I don't know how that would work.

20:36.45

christophknoll

Well, that's that's what I'm mean like ah what if you not or not even like just not wait but like what if you get your pro card and then let's say you pay your dues for 50 years and you're like 70 or.

20:37.87

Paul

Yeah.

20:47.99

christophknoll

7080 years old and then step on stage on ibp pro stage just because you've kept your membership that long.

20:51.34

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean it's it's possible. Um, let me see if there is even like um, but but but I'm checking the um.

21:09.20

Paul

Me see. Okay, so like really, it's here 35 I'm checking the ibb to see if there's anything that it says about like keeping it um, renewed or whatever like let's see. Um.

21:33.31

Paul

Yeah, there really isn't like I don't know and see if I can find out me see if I can find it. Yeah, that's nothing really saying it I'll look into it I'll I'll let you know I'll see if I can find out. Um, but yeah I mean I think the main thing is just that. Um. You just need to keep paying each year. Um.

21:50.80

christophknoll

Because like I'm just thinking to myself like what if like some old fart winds up at some some pro show who hasn't done like any kind of cycle or anything for. Decades Not years decades and just shows up all like saggy and wrinkly and but he maintained his his pro cards. He.

22:08.83

Paul

Yeah, no, that's a good question. It's a good question. Um, yeah, so if you earn ipb pro status at a pro qualifier having 1 year to apply for such status failing which the athlete must requalify. So um, you have.

22:21.40

christophknoll

Oh okay, so you have to requalify.

22:25.72

Paul

Well yes, you have to get it within a year of winning the show. Um, we see? Yeah, so if you if you win the show you have to or you win the pro qualifiers you win the ability like the junior usa has just happened this weekend. So if you won top 2 in your class I believe you get your pro card. But you have a year from that show to like pay your dues and get your pro card essentially but like you can essentially say you're an ifb pro because you qualified. Um, so now you can compete in pro shows which is ibb pro. Um, so yeah I don't know I mean that's a good question. it's it's interesting um

22:51.23

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:03.91

Paul

An interesting format and that's why they? that's why it's like getting watered down to I've said it before where like top 2 of each class. That's so many pro cards each show and it's.

23:10.48

christophknoll

Well, that's another thing like when you said that that was like over the light that seems like over the top because considering how many shows there are to actually earn that card in.

23:20.10

Paul

It's a lot I mean it's really not that many shows to earn it I mean nationally, there's a decent amount but it's like um, it's like it just gets watered down because. Ah, used to be like overall like you have to win overall to get your pro card and like that is a huge honor because like it's hard to get overall you have to be the best in the whole division and like some of these like national qualifiers like um, the biggest one is down in Tampa um, it happens in I think December of each year. It's the um I think it's just the.

23:38.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:56.23

Paul

Nationals I think so like when you went, you're the consider the champion I think the nationals champion if you win that show. It's like the most prestigious show. So like all the best amateurs who aren't pros yet will compete there. Um, my coach won the overall a couple years ago and like that's a huge deal so like he was interviewed by like tave polumbo and stuff like It's a pretty big deal. Um I think Nick Trinkin power might have mentioned it even so it's like it's a pretty big show so like winning. Overall there is huge but then you're you're talking about like 80 something guys. So it's like damn one out of like 80 something guys competing. That's pretty prestigious but then you realize there's like 8.

24:16.99

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

24:34.62

Paul

Fucking weight or height classes and then 2 cards each so sixteen out of 80 so you have like what like a 2023 24% chance of winning your ivb pro card at that show if you just show up. You know what? I mean so it's like it. It gets watered down because um, you don't have to necessarily be the best at that show to ah.

24:43.00

christophknoll

Yeah.

24:53.74

Paul

To win your pro card you know and like for this show this recent one these 2 guys 1 guy was a client of Dom and 1 guy is a client of somebody else in the Charlotte area I'm not going to say who the guy who won his pro card second got.

24:53.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:08.50

Paul

Demolished by the guy who won first in the class he ended up winning. Overall the guy who won first in that class but it's like that goes that's also kind of why it feels like um water down is because a lot of the time you're going to have 1 guy that just looks much fucking better than second place. And yet second place still gets their ib pro card and like that's what this case was like the do was bigger. The do was leaner. He had much better proportions. He had better posing and yet they're still on the same plane field because they're both ipb pros now it's like this ain't even fucking close bro. Um, yeah, same height division. Yeah so I think it was.

25:37.57

christophknoll

And they were the same height division.

25:43.43

Paul

And might have been six foot and over or something I don't know what it was I just know that they're a same height division I think um and because when I saw the videos they were posing next to each other. Um, so I think it was the same class and it was top 2 class I'm just like this is fucking nuts this so like it's unbelievable. Um, the difference in everything. So. Um, but yeah, that's just that's just my opinion on it. I mean I know everybody has different stances on it and at the end of the day. It's not about like you talked to anybody I v be pro which you know I've talked to a handful and a lot of them will say like it's not about being ipb pro at this point it's about what you do as a pro. Um.

26:20.42

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

26:21.21

Paul

Because there's so many of them who have it now and just want to put it in their Instagram bios and shit it's like are you actually going to compete professionally you just want to say you're an iipb pro. You know you just want to say your professional bodybuilder like or are you going to actually compete you know so that's my thing.

26:31.97

christophknoll

And I think there's I think there's almost another tier within that too because you go from getting your pro card being able to brag about it. But then let's say you win a pro show then there's like sponsorship openings and like not you know, like small scale sponsorship sponsorships I'm talking like like the big deal stuff.

26:44.17

Paul

Yeah. Yeah.

26:51.63

christophknoll

So it's like if you get your your initial pro card you have that and like that's the incentive of being able that's like your claim to fame. But then if you actually take it the step further then you're actually looking at you know, making some decent money out of it and then if you go even further then it's like the O or or the arnold or something like that. So I think like.

27:08.80

Paul

Reason.

27:11.55

christophknoll

You're right with how people can just use it for putting it in their Instagram bio and but then if you're dedicated enough. You'll continue to go through those next tiers and building up.

27:22.61

Paul

Yeah, and that's the other thing too is that like getting your ip pro card and then competing professionally are 2 completely different worlds. Um, some people just get the ipb pro card as a technicality like if you're competing in like and there's 8 divisions and you're like 1 of 3 guys.

27:32.47

christophknoll

Fifth.

27:38.10

Paul

And that division like and that this happens like this actually fucking happens. There's like especially like the six foot one and up There's not many guys in men's physique that will compete in that class. So like if you got like 3 or 4 guys competing like as long as you don't show up as the bottom 2 or bottom 1 or whatever you're getting your pro card like that's what's so fucking wild. So. Like sometimes you could just get it off a technicality. It's like that guy last year at the nationals remember that like he did not look like he was ah he was a bodybuilder at all. Yeah, that was just a technicality. He just he you I mean hate to don't hate to play or hit the game but it's like you're you're getting it not you're not really earning it. You're just getting it. You know so.

28:01.40

christophknoll

Yeah, you're telling me about that.

28:16.16

Paul

Um, there are some bodybuilders who said like oh it's taking me an extra four or five years to get my pro card but by the time I got my pro card I was ready to compete professionally like I was on that level like that's what my coach was like he he got his pro card much later than when he started competing like a few four or five years after he started competing. Then he got his pro card and like started competing professionally the summer after like he took a you know couple months off put on some size then he went into prep for this next few shows he didn't win any shows but like he was able to compete on a professional stage and at least hold his own. You know what? I mean so some of these guys get their pro card aren't even close to.

28:47.23

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:54.47

Paul

Competing on a pro stage so that's going to be interesting as well. It's That's why I'm like not necessarily in such a rush to get my pro card because even if I've got my pro card. There's no shot in hell I'm going to be ready to compete on a professional stage like these guys are much bigger than I am you know.

29:08.39

christophknoll

Well, we were talking about. Um I'm blankking on his name but when the o came around this past year there's a guy who just took like a year off or something like that just because he didn't like hey he and his coach didn't like his physique and like there was just so too much work to overcome. Um, had just decided like even though he'd qualified and everything like we're just going to take like a whole big year off and just revamp everything.

29:31.40

Paul

Well I know recon grimes was like that men's open I'm not sure about men's Phsique, but like that's what happened when he started with Milo Sake Milos was just like let's just take a year off put on some size because that's what he was lacking. He's like let's put on some size and we'll come back to the o the following year. He's got to qualify I'm pretty sure for it now but like. He had to take that year off to be ready for the o um.

29:49.96

christophknoll

But at the same time if you're taking a year off with a coach who tells you to take a year off you won't have any problem qualifying.

29:58.10

Paul

Yeah, exactly like it's and really it comes down to like points and shit and like he's competed on the o stage so wouldn don't really take too much and um, that's what a lot of these guys are going for right now like Cory Morris and man's physique Ben Quil Pierre like a lot of these guys um are competing to qualify for the olympia and then once they qualify they're done. Um, there's 1 guy. Oh man I'm forgetting his name starts with an e who's on the team that I'm on with another coach. Not my coach. But um, once you qualify for the o he's stop competing. He's like all right Let's put out some size.

30:31.90

christophknoll

Yeah I don't blame him.

30:32.97

Paul

So like now they're put on some size and they're going to prep so it's like once you get the points to qualify for that championship. You know competition then you know you're good and um, it's just it's also like the olympia itself is also a different world because well one the competition level is like you have to win. Multiple pro shows in order to compete there so you have to be like top of the line but then like it's also a huge deal just to qualify for it. So like Cory Morris the guy who I think is qualified now he says in his Instagram bio 5 times olympian but he's never won. He's not a Mr Olympia he's just

31:10.34

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:11.20

Paul

Competed there 5 times so like seeing that is enough of like enough of like bragging rights a little bit. You know so like that's also the the ballgame I mean yeah, um, it really does and there is this one guy. So rich piano was telling a story. Ah, this is a while back.

31:15.83

christophknoll

I Mean even going going to the oh once is of is a flex like that puts you above everybody.

31:30.89

Paul

He was talking about this guy from a while back and he was talking about how um he was in his this guy was in his forty s and he was just really pushing it and just really putting on a lot of like he's taking tons of drugs and just eating like crazy and his his doctor was like look if you compete in this show. He talking about the olymp he said if you if you compete in the show. You're gonna die. He's like there's no coming back and all this guy ever all he was ever driving for is just stepping on that stage. That's all he wanted. He didn't need to win. He just wanted to step on that stage. He stepped on that stage guy dead last a week later he died.

31:56.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

32:05.43

Paul

And he said sometimes it's just that's all that matters to some people is's just stepping on that stage. It's the ability to be able to compete at that level is all people ever want like it's like major any sort of major league sport like okay here's another example of that. Um there's a race or an f one. His name is devre. He used to race f 2 and then he went over to formula e which is electric racing. He got to race 1 race in f one last year which he ended up like doing really really well and people were talking about how that 1 race and formula 1 probably meant more to him than winning the championship in formula e because it's just that much higher tier of racing.

32:35.23

christophknoll

Yeah.

32:40.10

Paul

So like that's how it is with this It's like competing in the Olympia is probably so much more of an honor than winning a pro show. You know what? I mean so the Olympia itself is also different conversation as well. So I don't know I mean as far as. Um, regionals I mean if you ever go to regional show. You'll see the level of competition I mean some people just want to step on a stage and just to say they're a bodybuilder you know.

33:01.81

christophknoll

Well, that's what's going to happen for me probably like next summer not this summer by any means. But next summer just hop on stage just because like I no longer represent like a coach. So I don't have to worry about like slant. It's not even slandering someone's name but you know.

33:09.16

Paul

Yeah.

33:18.34

christophknoll

If you're with a coach. You obviously don't go on stage until coach says so because you represent something. Yeah, you represent someone else and so since I'm no longer affiliated with them I might as well just next year just to like pull a hamlin like some of the other gym guys just to you know, not even mess around but like just to have fun with it like.

33:22.80

Paul

Yeah, you're representing him right? um.

33:35.27

Paul

Yeah, exactly.

33:37.53

christophknoll

It it. It's like at the not probably not so much at the amateur level. But at the pro level like you probably tend to know most of the guys on that stage if not friend but at least know them So like you just get that general camaraderie and banter between you guys. So.

33:47.21

Paul

E.

33:53.83

christophknoll

Like that's why if I just bring some some guys to a show and just do it like why? Not you get that like added competition level of just trying to beat your buddies and like just do it for fun.

34:03.45

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean it is It is a lot of fun. Um stepping on that stage you get you to like pick your song and shit like that like there is a lot of fun to it. It is it.

34:10.27

christophknoll

Can you do that at the at the Amateur level.

34:14.79

Paul

I'm pretty sure you can I mean as far as men's physique goes I'm not sure because it's so quick you're on stage for like 15 seconds 20 seconds um yeah classic yes because you're up there for like 30 seconds to a minute. Um I think it depends on the show. How long you're up there doing your poses.

34:17.40

christophknoll

Well I'm I'm out there for for classic physique or nothing.

34:31.26

Paul

So you can pick your own song. Um, again, immense's physique I'm not sure. But um, yeah, you pick a song and they'll play it while you're up there? Um, so which is which is cool I mean that's fun and it is a spectator sport I mean it's like a lot of the regional side of things is powered by the athletes. So. It's like the people were showing up to these shows are. Family friends of the athletes. It's not like it's like it's like high school games. You know you're not going to show up to a high school game because you're rooting for gants. It. You know what? I mean you're like you're showing up. Yeah, the 1 guy who peeped in high school and just can't live it down.

34:50.32

christophknoll

Yeah.

34:57.99

christophknoll

Except for that random that random dude with the black hoodie in the stands who's just there. Ah.

35:06.54

Paul

You know, but like besides that it's mostly friends and family that show up so it's like the regional side you got you got the guys who like it's all powered by people who know the athletes and the athletes themselves. Um, but then on the national level and the pro level that starts becoming a spectator sport. Um.

35:15.82

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

35:23.43

Paul

And like the pro level Even they're like they're like broadcasting the shows you could like they're like pay perview and stuff like that. So um, there's more that goes into it but regionally no, it's it's all the athletes and the family and friends and stuff.

35:35.29

christophknoll

You know how people get a hyped one when Cbom does his little his crowd up thing when he's like doing get about to like lock into a pose doing that like an amateur thing and just hearing like your 1 family member going. Ah.

35:38.92

Paul

Yeah, you say 1 person you hear the background go like does the quietest noise whether you're just like yeah.

35:52.45

christophknoll

And you're like ah I'm going to need you to do that your show it's going to be Ted silent and you're gonna be like come on.

35:57.21

Paul

Christopph is literally a whisper. Yeah, no it happens I mean there's there's times where like I'll go to a show and like for like chewy right? and there was like 5 or 6 people there for him so he comes out. Like dead ti comes on I'm just like it's like nobody else is saying anything is is like you just got to get hyped up. Um, but like some people. What's funny at regional show is that there's some people there who just like hype everybody up and like even if they don't know them and like let's say like somebody you don't know at all nobody you know, knows them.

36:16.18

christophknoll

Um.

36:31.58

Paul

And you step on stage start doing your pose and it's somebody's just like somebody completely ran for like book there. It is yeah, hit it like there's always someone like that. There's it's awesome. It's so funny. Um, and like yeah.

36:40.73

christophknoll

And see that's that that's the incentive of going to some like low key amateur show just see just have that one hype up dude like don't even lock into a pose just like walking out like there he is.

36:52.50

Paul

But woman. Yeah, you're like thank you random a random mass person I appreciate you you could you could like go to the the cutler classic in boss and be like I'm competing in this only so I can meet Jay Cutler yeah he um at his show as he shows up.

37:04.38

christophknoll

Is that a thing.

37:09.93

Paul

Um, I've I've seen him in person I haven't met him but I've seen him in person at his classic in Boston. Yeah, yeah, it's not that far. Um, so I went to one. Yeah, it's amateur Cutler classic the closest one to me I think is Richmond Virginia um, but closest to.

37:12.42

christophknoll

Shit Boston's down the road for me and that's an amateur show.

37:27.50

Paul

You know where I lived and where you live is ah Boston um, so there's that too. There's that incentive you get to meet the guy who runs the fucking show. Um, but yeah I don't see why not? um I'm pretty sure he does like a meet and greet kind of thing. Yeah.

37:35.32

christophknoll

And he meets all the athletes that that perform shit now I'm going to do it.

37:44.53

Paul

I don't know what it is I remember it being cold. Um, let me look it up so npc j cutler classic let me see um I don't know oh Lyn there's one in. Okay, so's Lyn is not technically Boston it's Lynne.

37:48.14

christophknoll

Yeah, when's the size or or the ah the cutler classic.

38:04.16

Paul

Um, the next one for the cutler classic is so yeah, it's basically Boston technically not Boston but it's it's Boston four twenty nine. So it's April of next year on the end of April is the is the next one. So um, it's an I think it's a is it a national qualifier. No way.

38:04.43

christophknoll

Um, yeah, but lit Lin is Boston.

38:23.71

Paul

Yeah, it's a national qualifier. Interesting. Um, yeah, So it's a national qualifier. So um, it's opit and Masters novice and Teen um for bodybuilding classic fitness Figure Bikini Men's and women's physique and wellness so you can do classic novice or something like that. Um, you could be like I'm a teenager I'm 19 but it's funny when you when you see the teenagers show up too like the teenage Class. It's like whoa. Okay, it's like a child up there.

38:48.68

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, me.

38:56.63

christophknoll

But the same time There's some huge young people like there's an influencer that recently switched my gym and so I I see him a lot I talk to him and like he he posts these um I don't know he I don't even know what he calls him but he just talks to people in the gym.

38:59.80

Paul

Oh yeah.

39:13.36

christophknoll

And it's so it's a mini series. He does um his names can can stop o on on Instagram um, but ah, he just does the series where he talks to people. He's talking to this one dude and I've seen this dude in the gym and he's like a big dude and he goes so what does it feel like to be you know.

39:14.96

Paul

Ah, oh yeah, I've I think I've seen him I Yeah okay I remember seeing that.

39:32.58

christophknoll

1819 in the gym and I'm like excuse me how old did you just say he was.

39:37.10

Paul

I don't like that take that back then if you feel like shit. Um, what's his what's his Instagram what is it again I'm looking it up right now I remember seeing it I do remember oh oh here it is Ken S T Apo

39:43.61

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, it's Ken something. It's ah let me let me find it.

39:53.24

christophknoll

Yeah.

39:55.70

Paul

Yeah, but 2000 followers I I remember him doing I remember seeing him interviewing someone I know um, natural fitness enthusiast yeah, my ass natural my fucking ass. Um, yeah, he yeah here's here's 1 right here.

39:59.71

christophknoll

Yeah, he just does these like random interviews in the gym. It'll be like.

40:14.73

christophknoll

Okay, that's it right there? yeah.

40:14.83

Paul

Chatting up the bro is part to a 19 year old menace. Okay, yeah I mean do's got some size for 19 that's for sure. Um, it's all the the problem with teen bodybuilders is that it's superficial. So it's like they stop lifting for a month it all fucking goes away. Um.

40:27.46

christophknoll

Yeah.

40:30.15

Paul

That's the only problem it's not dense muscle and you could you could you could see it too like it's a different look um like dense adult muscle like you could have if you had like a 90 year old look the exact same like take them ten years apart 19 versus 29 same weight same everything. He's going to look better at 29 than at 19 just because the muscles built differently. It's built denser. So yeah, you got to you got to keep that in mind. Um, but yeah, that's interesting. Um, yeah, there is there is teen competitors and teamed of teamen divisions and there's usually like.

40:50.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

41:05.31

Paul

Like at this regional show I'm going to I think last year there was like 1 teen competitor in total so he like technically won I mean he technically won I mean he he's the only teen competitor in teen. So no I think he um.

41:09.55

christophknoll

How do you do? Oh okay well I didn't know if he he stepped up into a different division. 2

41:22.49

Paul

I mean he might have I can't quite remember I do remember I think it was 1 team that stepped up there but I don't remember if he competed another division or not like in ah open or something like that. But um, yeah, it's a different it's a different look they're usually a lot softer um and a lot smaller just because their body's not matured yet so they can't put on the size and. All of that. But um, yeah, so it's it's the regional show competition is interesting. You see all different walks of life. So it's kind of cool. Um, it kind of it kind of re re vamps like your love for the sport because it's like. Anybody can really do it as long as you put your mind into it and um, it also like reminds you that like like it reminds me that I'm comparing myself to like the top 1% of top. 1 % you know what I mean like I'm comparing myself to the best of the best and I need to stop doing that you know I need to just compare myself to myself and just be the best that I can be.

42:11.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:19.81

Paul

Um, that's what this regional competition like level will do.

42:20.50

christophknoll

I mean at the same time too like probably I'd say 90% of like consistent gym goers could probably step on a stage just to you know experience that because as long as you're consistent and like dieting and everything like.

42:31.87

Paul

Yeah I mean if you got.

42:38.42

christophknoll

You should be able to do something.

42:40.21

Paul

Yeah I mean if you just show up with like a 6 pack and like a bicep vein like you're going to be better than like half the competitors at a regional show. You know it's just it's just a level that that people compete at um, granted if you're going to compete in like.

42:45.57

christophknoll

Now.

42:54.85

Paul

Men's class it. It might be a little bit different than like men's open like men's open you see like um, a lot softer and a lot more fat on the competitors. Um, and then men's physique. You're gonna either see like what's funny is that so when it comes to regional shows is that. And each class there's a clear winner. It's like okay clearly he's the fucking winner and then everybody else compete in second that's what half every single show I've been to I've been to like 4 or 5 regionals That's what they're all like um, you see the competitor and you're like okay that guy is clearly fucking first for this class because they go by class they go. Okay, we're going to do class f men's physique and you stand in the corner. And they call you out and then you go back? Whatever and then you do like pre-judging and shit we're all next to each other and it's like okay, there's a clear winner here. Um, but when it comes to like men'stor' equal. You'll see one of 2 things you'll see one either. There's a guy just just.

43:35.00

christophknoll

Yeah.

43:43.57

Paul

Does not have much definition at all like all like way came in way too watery came in way too fast, just not definition at all. But then you got the other side where there's guys who come in way too fucking big like bro. You should not be competing immense physique like the last region I went to I was like there's like a fucking like.

43:56.12

christophknoll

Um.

44:00.84

Paul

Gorilla up there. It was like John Cina threw on board shorts and was just like yeah I'm going to do men's Phsique. It's like dude, you're just way bigger than everybody competing here like you're not yeah, like open or even like classic at least it's like it doesn't make any sense because they're like oh let me be the biggest guy up there and what made me happy was that at the original show they put him last.

44:05.20

christophknoll

Someone who should be in like open.

44:14.58

christophknoll

Are.

44:19.92

Paul

And it's like okay thank you because he does not have the men's physicque look like he was spilling out of his fucking board shorts because he just had so much obliques that just he did not have an aesthetic look as far as men's physicque goes. Um, so like it was just interesting to see that so you got you have both sides of the spectrum when you're competing in regional men's physique.

44:25.17

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:38.48

Paul

Um, and then National Um, obviously you're going to have like more of like like typically you'll you'll know who the first call Callout is and then so callouts for those that don't Know. Um, if there's enough competitors in a class to do multiple callouts What that means is. If they call you out. So like you'll have like everybody line up in the corners right? So they say corner stage. That's what they say you say line up in corner stage Men's Vc class D So all the class you guys come from backstage line up in the corners you stand in like a relaxed position. Um, which is kind of like your front pose.

45:10.98

christophknoll

Which which is everybody that spread.

45:15.80

Paul

Yeah, you're still, you're still kind of flexing you still want to look good in front of the judges. You don't want to be relaxed but you're not really like the center of the of attention so you don't really need to like make sure you're nailing it. So whoever they call out first. Usually it's like 8 competitors maybe 7 um even less sometimes depending on the show. Um, they'll call out. Those 7 or 8 guys and that's what's called first callout and typically it's say they call out 8 guys that means those guys are top 8 so like they're all competing for first if you're a second callout the best you're gonna get is ninth because you're not in the first callout so you want to be in the first call out at least and then from there it goes whoever is closest to the middle.

45:40.27

christophknoll

Yeah, are.

45:54.46

Paul

Is usually either first or second because if it's 8 you're going to have 2 guys in the middle. So like the 2 guys in the middle are usually first and second um, there's 7 usually guy in the middles first because they're kind of comparing everybody else to you so you want to be in the first call out in the middle is what's ideal when it comes to prejudging. And then finals you have like your moment on stage where you do your own posing routine. You have your transitions and stuff. So um, that's what I mean by call-out so when it comes to national. You'll kind of know who's gonna be first callout typically you'll kind of see the the level of competition kind of slowly deteriorating and then second third and fourth. Call out depending on how many competitors there are. You're just going to see worse and worse and worse physiques. Um, but these guys also qualified for national so like the cutler classic. No and no, no, no absolutely not because like to cut the classic I'm pretty sure you have to.

46:35.71

christophknoll

Yeah, it's not like they're chums.

46:45.85

Paul

As a national qualifier I think you have to win overall to qualify for a national show So you have to win a qual you have to win overall at a show at a regional show that has a national qualifier badge in order to compete at a national level. So um, so it's not like you're going to be showing up to a national show and.

46:54.49

christophknoll

Yeah.

47:04.97

Paul

Look terrible. That's why that guy went viral from last year's championships. Whatever in Florida's because he just won out off a technicality. He doesn't look like competitor really at all. So um, it's something to you know, keep in mind is that these guys have all won overalls at shows you know? So um, yeah, it's it's It's a different level of competition. Um, and then regionally there's typically not that many um, not that many ah callouts really usually usually just like 1 or 2 um, but also depends on the division stuff like that. There's more competitors and like classic like. Trying to remember there wasn't as many competitors last time I went to the victory classic last year I think there was more competitors in classic and open than there were in min physique I'm pretty sure. Um, so like this show the victory classic is and I just looked it up. It is a national qualifier. So if I won overall. Which is my goal It's not just winning my class and maybe mean to win the overall if I win the overall I can technically compete at a um, a national level. Yeah, so um, that would be interesting. So I mean it's possible that my coach is like hey I'm gonna try to get you.

48:02.74

christophknoll

Yeah, national.

48:14.45

Paul

I mean I don't know I'm going to talk to him more hopefully him and I will have a phone call soon to see what the plan is but what I'm hoping is that we're at a place now where I can come in maybe 90% so like ah here's another thing for those that don't know there's a lot of nuance when it comes to talking about bodybuilding and that's kind of what our podcast is about. Um, is some of this nuance and one of the nuances is percentages. So when you say like I'm showing up 90% you're saying 90% of your potential like 100% is like you came in peeled you came in as big as you can you came in as perfect as you possibly can with your physique. That's one hundred percent 90% is you came in 90% to that you might have a little bit of water you know might not be as big as you could be maybe a little bit flat something like that. That's what like 90% is 80% is like okay your obliques are kind of fucking washed out. You know you don't really got much fascularity right now. Um, you're kind of holding onto some water you're posing is a little off and then anything below that is like you're getting demolished. So what I'm hoping is I could be at a place where I'm showing up 90 to 95% um win the overall and use that show as prep for national show. That's what I'm hoping.

49:22.60

christophknoll

Yep.

49:23.57

Paul

Um, because we've been prepping not really prepping but like we've been working towards the show for two and a half fucking years on anabolics allegedly for over two years now so it's like I should have competed a long time ago. But we've put in the time to be like. Okay, yeah, you're you're dialed in like we're ready like we're fucking ready to hit this. And what I'm hoping is that either we use this for national quality or national show or we use this as prep for another show which then we use that show for the prep for the national. So like what you could do is like I could hit this show eight weeks from then hit another show and then a week later hit a national show. You know that's what some people do so that way they can get. 90% for 1 show so they can be super lean. It gives them a deadline super lean for that show. Ideally win it or something and then they're already super lean have like you know one meal that's kind of off plan and then do a watercut again and lose some excess fat while holding on to muscle and then do your national. So. Um, it's it will will I'll find out what the plan is I don't know if I'm going to win overall I might not. It's possible. But if I do I'm hoping that I can do a national show. That's my goal which in that case would probably be like maybe end of July maybe I don't know but we'll see.

50:30.70

christophknoll

Yeah, and that just allows for a lot cleaner of a segue too because if you you know can go right from 1 event to your to your you know national event right? away, you're able to. Not really miss a beat whereas if you like let's say you qualify on your national show is like months away or maybe even like half a year away like that that just is such a different mindset of having to maintain or go into another bulk cut and then figure something out in the meantime.

51:03.94

Paul

Yeah, so like what's good about doing it this way is that you can show up to this show and be like Okay, what do we not get right? even though we won what is it that we can improve upon and then work on that over the next. However, many weeks until your next show is so that's why these regional shows are used as like.

51:12.75

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

51:23.33

Paul

Prep for a national show and like my coach when he had the victory classic he competed in classic physique and he competed in men physique and what they planned was him and his coach Adom what they planned was. We're gonna base what you compete in for your national show off of how you place in the regionals. In each division so he fucking swept the floor of men's physique just demolished but classic he ended up getting second overall so they're like all right? Let's do men's physique you know he I think he wants to be a classic competitor eventually. But they're like let's do men's physique because we know that you're really good at men's physique and that's kind of where I'm out with my coach. He's like.

51:54.69

christophknoll

Yeah.

51:59.32

Paul

I want to ideally I would love to do classic believe me I would love to do classic. But if he's like let's do men's physique for the next couple years put on some size and then when we want to switch to classic. We'll take like 2 years off or something put on some massive size and then we'll get into classic. Get your pro card in classic and this are competing professionally from there. Um. So like that if he says we're going to do men's physique First that's okay, by me. Um, so like that's another thing too is that you also find out where your competition lies where your physique lies you know who you're going to be standing up against as far as how you look. So it's that's another thing to consider too is you don't even know where you're going to compete.

52:33.76

christophknoll

And that's and that's why I mean too with like especially on the the pro side of things you start to know the people and you start to know like what you have to compete against and so that's it's a lot you know I wouldn't say easier but it's a lot you know less.

52:42.72

Paul

Yeah.

52:50.71

christophknoll

Tedious on the mind to be overthinking who you're gonna be competing when you know who you're gonna be competing. You can just be like all right? This is who we got to beat? Let's do it.

52:57.98

Paul

Yeah, yeah, and at the same time too. There's also like some kind of like background manipulation and shit that goes on too. Um, because it's like like for me I pose pretty frequent like in quotations physique updates to my stories and stuff. But like when you're competing on a pro level. They don't post that that much they don't necessarily want people knowing how they look um, that's why it's huge when like big rami like will post like three weeks out and he'll post like a training video with a hoodie on and people are trying to speculate what he looks like because they don't post physique updates. They don't want anybody knowing how they're going to show up. You know so.

53:23.64

christophknoll

Fifth. Yeah.

53:31.39

Paul

There's also that nuance to it too where it's like I don't really want to give away how I'm going to look.. It's not like a sport where it's about performance the day of it's like you're building up to this point and trying to be the best you can like the day of it's almost like imagine like. Imagine like you're doing skirmishes for baseball or something every single day and you're posting those skirmishes they can kind of get an idea of how you're gonna play in the game Roughly. You know, not maybe to a T but like okay they they have this strategy. This is how they play He's got yeah pund not intended. Um, you know he's He's clearly their um you know.

53:57.79

christophknoll

Ah to a T Ah, ah.

54:05.79

Paul

Designated batter. Whatever it is like so like they can come up with like okay this is roughly how they're going to show up that's kind of what these bodybuilding competitions are like it's like when you post photos. It's like okay if he says he's two weeks out like we know he's competing in this show. So if he's two weeks out with this physique. Update holy shit and that's what happens with big rami is that he's like. Look at how I look four weeks out look fucking insane. But then he shows up washed out and looks like shit. It's like what the fuck is going on so like that's why people can't stand his physique updates because he he always looks better in his physique updates than he does on stage. So yeah, absolutely.

54:29.80

christophknoll

Yep.

54:35.87

christophknoll

But lot of that Also is you know photo editing I mean like the you saw the the ones I sent you this past week I just took some old shots of mine and did some editing on it and they look fucking nuts. So.

54:47.80

Paul

Yeah I mean I do slight editing to mine mainly turning down the exposure and turning up the sharpness a little bit because iphone cameras naturally smooth you out which is fucking annoying I hate it and they're also way overexposed most of the time. Um, so I turn that down turn up to sharpening a little bit and just post that. Um, that's typically what my my updates look like but it's like my competition that I know is competing in that show I see their updates and I'm like okay I think I got this over them or they got this over me like like I can be like okay I got to accentuate this because they don't have this and like they don't have. I Don't know let's say like like a midsection or something I'm like all right? They don't really got a midsection because yeah, like so like let me accentuate that because they don't have that so they're going to have to hide that where I can accentuate it and like that's my chest too like I got a decent chest So It's like okay let me accentuate my chest because they don't have a chest they got me in back.

55:26.71

christophknoll

Let's beat him there.

55:40.73

Paul

So try my best to you know, look better and back but like the front poses I fucking got them. There's no, there's like you know what? I mean so like that's that's what you got to keep in mind too like this is a competition. It's like I'm going to have fun. Don't get me wrong like I love this and I love it's could be healthy competition. The guys that I know competing it's going be healthy. We're not going to be talking shit like it's going to be fun.

55:45.95

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

56:00.57

Paul

But also like I'm I'm in my mind I'm going to fucking beat you like that's the like like that's like I'm not trying to be like a dick. Yeah, like it's like there's a lot of dicks and men's physique which sucks um, especially at the top level like the olympia level. Um I feel that Aaron Banks is kind of a dick in the sum of the stuff that he says like he posted a physique. Update.

56:07.21

christophknoll

Um, mentality.

56:19.78

Paul

Like a few weeks ago and he was like I'm always in the heads I'm like shut the fuck up like people forgot about you already like the Arnold was like two months ago no one gives a shit anymore like it's like it's just stupid shit like that. But it's like if you go into the show like like that's why I've said in the past like I'm going to the show a victory classic like I'm getting first everybody else competing second.

56:24.34

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

56:37.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:38.97

Paul

That's the mindset I'm going in and I'm gonna crush it as best that I possibly can because again this is a competition and it's not a team Spor we're not working together here. It's me versus you you know? So that's I'm going in. It's like yeah like great like I Really hope you do good dude but I hope I fucking beat you. That's what I want you know.

56:55.34

christophknoll

Yeah I mean that's that's and that's just how across all sports when you have friends who are competitors on other teams like you'll have that moment where you go say hi and you have like a good moment with the person pregame or pres show or something like that and then once it's game time. It's like I'm going to kick your face in like.

56:58.55

Paul

And that's just a reality.

57:02.66

Paul

Yeah.

57:13.14

Paul

Yeah, exactly and so like there is that camaraderie but there's also that competition too and um, like the guys who compete who the guys who've been winning the pro shows recently is like ah is Cory Morris and Ben Colpierre um Chris Barr has been again up there too and they'll be on like Instagram lives together and talk about different physiques and who came in better stuff like that. So like there is that camaraderie there but like at the end of the day when you're stepping on stage you are trying to beat them like I'm trying to like I want to fucking wipe the floor with you is what I want like I don't want I want to step on stage.

57:38.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:45.81

Paul

The victoryy class can be like oh he's got fucking overall like that's not even close like they're all competing for second now like who's going to get second like that's what I want you know? So that's the mindset I'm going into with my training with my prep is like like Florida is like if I eat this meal. My competition didn't so they're going to show up better than I did. So like that's how I got to think about it. Um, so that's also another driver for me too is like if I like today like I woke up early, well not early like same time as usual actually and I was like man I just don't want to go to the gym I just don't want to train I don't want to do cardio. It's early. You know my energy is so low because it's the morning. Usually I lift in like five six zero p m it's like my energy is low. But I'm like fuck I'm just going to do it anyways and like I went and lift it anyways because if I didn't my competition did you know what? I mean it's like that's just how it goes and like like my if I don't work out to the intensity that I do.

58:25.38

christophknoll

Yeah.

58:42.50

Paul

Or to a high intensity other people will and they'll beat me. You know so like that's why I always go into the gym being like no one's gonna outwork me and I leave the gym knowing nobody outworked me so that's just that's just how you gotta do it like that's just you're going to get to practice for a sport like I'm trying to be the best player. Like I'm going to work the hardest here Kobe Brown was known for that. That's why he had the reputation he did was because he was the hardest worker out of pretty much every single player in the league. So. It's like he he showed up knowing that.

59:11.76

christophknoll

There's a ah, there's an old story from him from when when he was back in the league and they ah it was some ruck you got drafted to to a team to the lakers and ah he.

59:22.95

Paul

I think I remember this.

59:26.10

christophknoll

He he texted or basically was like new to the team and wanted to go out and Kobe was like sure we can go out. But if we go out tonight. You got to come you know train with me tomorrow and they so he was thinking to myself. Oh that this is great I got to go have fun and then I got to go be like. In the gym with with kobery and tomorrow and so they go out and they stay out to like 2 3 in the morning and he gets a call from Kobe at four zero in the morning and says yo it's time to go to the gym and then he was in there for I want to say the majority of the next day just working grinding and the other two is dead.

59:52.61

Paul

That.

01:00:04.30

christophknoll

But somehow Kobe like and Kobe went out and I parted the whole night with him and just was that motivated and that discipline and just crushed the entire next day of workouts and that's that mindset doesn't come around easy and that's why people say like mumba mentality because he just defined what it meant to.

01:00:06.32

Paul

Yeah.

01:00:22.35

christophknoll

Have that so to bring that into like a bodybuilding show like yeah, you're going to go ah have your fun but now it's time to play or now it's time to work and you just crush it regardless of how you feel.

01:00:27.95

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of that's what I'm trying to do right now and it's I've had people in the gym recently come out to me like are you cutting right? now they're like I could tell you look lean and I'm like yeah I'm cutting right now you know this before the show was picked and I was like yeah I was like we're. Probably at this point like within ten weeks I'm not sure when um, but I'm just in the mindset of just trying to lose fats I'm putting in the time they're like yeah you show up before me and leave after me like you're here and I'm like yeah I'm like I'm here for like 2 hours roughly every day um give or take I mean usually it's like an hour and forty fiv hour ghl hour but

01:00:56.96

christophknoll

Um.

01:01:05.24

Paul

Um, between training hard and then doing cardio after there for a while but like there's a story with Kobe as well. Where like there's a new player on the team and he um he showed up to the gym the the court and Kobe was already there shooting practicing and he talked about it was it was a quick snippet but he was talking about how.

01:01:19.90

christophknoll

Yep.

01:01:24.80

Paul

He was there and he was like all right? Well I got a train against Kobe now. He's like so I'm going to I'm gonna be here for a while so he was there training like 2 3 hours and he was done. He was like dude I'm done so he afterwards he was done. He went up to Kobe and was like dude why are you still training like you were here before me and I'm already done and he's like. Because you're new to the team and I need you to know neural is an it was like somebody else on the other team nevermin it somebody other something the other team and he said so they were playing home I think Kobe was playing home and he said I saw you come in and he said so I needed you to know what you're up against and he's like so I'm gonna outwork you and he's like so I made sure that I was outhooting you and.

01:02:01.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:02:01.48

Paul

Shot you for longer than you did so he like it was just like that's kind of how it goes and like I've talked about Bodybuil a lot of bodybuilding is genetics people don't realize that um to be able to have the Genetics compete. Um, even to win Overall regional. You have to have good genetics at least good enough to be able to win that. Um, so I'm very blessed in that sense so you have to have those genetics most guys don't have those genetics and then on top of that to compete professional. You have to have really really good genetics like best the best genetics. Um, So there's genetics and there's a talent to it talent in posing. Especially um that when it comes to posing. Ah've always said this it either clicks or it doesn't posing either makes sense or it doesn't make sense for me. It makes sense for others. It doesn't make sense. Um I've seen guys who've done numerous sessions posing with a coach and numerous seminars and all these different you know, posing videos and stuff that they've watched and that they just don't get it. It just doesn't click. But like for me I Never once before I Even like started dialing in my pose I never posed with a coach I never watched any videos I literally just looked at photos and was like oh so that's what he's doing and then I just did it the same way and I got it dialed in so like it makes sense to some people. There's a talent when it comes to that. But.

01:03:07.54

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:03:15.94

Paul

Overall when it comes to winning shows as long as you have good enough genetics and good enough posing comes in from there which is the majority of it is the hard work that goes into it. It's the food. It's the training is to asleep. It's the prioritizing it. That's what goes into it. Um. Obviously you can have a good balance with your life but you need to be able to put in the work to make it happen and that's why I'm saying like I post into my stories today I was like it's not just this prep that's going into the show. It's the past two and a half years of hard work that's going into it is's the two and a half years plus the prep. Ah, going into the show and the mindset that I've been ready for a show since fucking. you know two years ago you know I mean so it's like that's that's what's going into the show. It's not just this prep so it's all this.

01:03:58.40

christophknoll

Is a I'm to like I not not a no none of people realize like and it wasn't like when Paul says two and a half years that isn't like in the gym two and a half years that's with a coach two and half years we're looking at like.

01:04:11.94

Paul

Yeah.

01:04:12.77

christophknoll

11 years in the gym and two and a half of those are just literally just getting ready for this.

01:04:18.41

Paul

Yeah I was with my coach for about two and a half years October 2020 is when I started with my coach I was with a previous coach for a while. Not really aiming for a show is more of like a lifestyle kind of thing. Um, so I was in the gym I think for about. 3 or 4 years prior to actually starting with my coach now and that was two and a half years ago October Twenty Twenty so two and a half a little over two and a half years by the time I step on stage. It's going to be closer to 3 years than than 2 years. So um, it's all of this hard work like countless countless hours going into the gym I mean. Well over a thousand hours into the gym. Um, over those 2 years and which doesn't sound like a lot. But I mean I'm ah I'm there for an hour to 2 hours a day so if you figure you know three hundred days a year or something like that you know times one and a half to 2 and then two years you know well over a thousand maybe closer to 1500 hours and then all the time I spent eating the food I didn't want to eat and buying all that food and learning more information and you know working with my coach and tweaking the plan and going through adversity like there are a lot of setbacks that I hit. Um, you know there's times where I wasn't making progress times I plateau times I take keto because my cholesterol was bad or.

01:05:13.62

christophknoll

Me up.

01:05:30.40

Paul

Times I had to figure out run blood tests because I didn't know what the fuck was going on with holding on the fat like it was just there's so much that goes into it beyond just training and eating going to the show. That's why I'm kind of going into it like I need to and overall just for the just for the affirmation that all of the work that I've done has been worth it like I'll be pissed.

01:05:43.31

christophknoll

I mean.

01:05:49.10

Paul

If I don't even win first in class if I have win first in class and be like what the fuck is the point like if I'm at a regional show and I'm not even winning in my class. What the fuck am I doing like I spent two and a half years I mean not that this is going to happen. But if it did I'd be like um so I spent two and a half years and then all the years training on top of that.

01:05:51.11

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:06:06.90

Paul

You know, learning the foundation for training just to not even win first in my class in a fucking regional show that I should have swept the fucking floor with like what is going on like what it like is it me like like you might not meant for this. So like this is why I need to just come in as good as possible for the show because it needs to make up for all the work that I put in.

01:06:14.70

christophknoll

Now.

01:06:26.49

Paul

Um, otherwise it's just not going to be worth it because you know killing yourself for that and not really cleaning yourself but like putting in all that work and all that time and sacrificing like the amount of arguments I've had with people the amount of fights and like sacrificing literal relationships in the past because of it. It's like. Yeah I need this affirmation I need this to happen for me just to be like okay I can compete I can do this, you know this I'm good Enough. You know so like that's why winning my class is the minimum I'm having in my head and then winning overall is really what I think I I need but.

01:06:57.17

christophknoll

And that's kind of like what? um what Cbum's famous for talking about when he was in college how he sacrificed you know, literally your college experience to to just do what he was doing now like if he didn't do it then he wouldn't be doing what he's doing now.

01:07:10.37

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:16.81

christophknoll

And that's why you have to sacrifice the temporary for the permanent like or not even the temporary permanent but the short term for the long term because you're providing yourself access to a life that isn't possible. Should you do what you want to do now. So it.

01:07:20.68

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:07:31.18

Paul

Yeah.

01:07:35.29

christophknoll

It's all about sacrifice and that's where discipline comes in. We've talked about motivation versus discipline before but discipline is just knowing you have to do it like motivation comes and goes but discipline. You know you have to do it. So yeah, exactly.

01:07:40.50

Paul

Yeah, most of the time I'm not motivated honestly very seldom I ever motivated to to hit the gym or do card or whatever there are times that I am motivated um, but just some days. It's just fucking, not happen and I'm just I have to go because I need to go. You know what? I mean. Um, so yeah's I feel that 100% I mean I never really got like a college experience because I did online schooling so I skipped that entirely so I don't I didn't really necessarily lose out on that because of bodybuilding but like I mean there's a lot of times where I've missed out on you know, drinking with my family or hanging out or eaten this eaten that because. I needed to prioritize bodybuilding. You know I need to do this or that and the amount of hours that I've like my evenings are work e go to the gym by the time I come home I have like an hour maybe to relax and then his bedtime like yes, those are my nights you know so it's like it's.

01:08:20.80

christophknoll

Yep.

01:08:36.82

Paul

There's there's nothing and then I have to sleep because you needed it at 8 hours while you're in prep. So it's like there's it. You need to sacrifice a lot of your time for this granted once I'm done prep and back to a bulk I'll we'll cut out cardio and that takes up a lot of time. So like I'll spend less time in the gym overall. But um, it sucks. It's hard. It's hard and there's times where you put in all this effort and you feel like you're just not making any progress and like there's times where like like before I did keto or middle of keto last year like which is like middle of December like barely could have anything on Thanksgiving I think I know I had Thanksgiving I think but. Christmas time I couldn't have any carbs I had to eat protein and like it was so hard because I was with my family up north and I'm just like man I just this like we're like middle December like towards the end of December I'm like man I just there's so we got to do something like I'm like I can't keep doing this I'm like I'm killing myself I'm starving all the time like.

01:09:26.35

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:09:33.63

Paul

I Feel like I have like shit sleep and for what like we really haven't lost any fat. So then that's when he was like all right? Let's get some blood work done. Let's just see what it is. Let's see if we could figure it out and then we ended up finding out it was because of my um, my fucking what to call.

01:09:53.42

Paul

That's why I take kabragoing is's for my um, you look it up. Why am I drawing a blank on it. Prolactin it's my prolactin we found I was my prolactin taking cabergoolle fix that entire issue. So it's like there's times where you could put all of the effort in and you don't get any results. So like that sucks and you gotta to stay disciplined because it will come back. You will figure it out and it will come back? Um, and it's like same with shows I mean I haven't experienced this yet. But it's like you put in all the effort in a prep and destroying your body and all the time in Cario and all the time in the gym and the lack of food and stuff like that just to get fourteenth.

01:10:13.21

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:10:30.89

Paul

You know it's like that sucks, you know so like there's there's a whole mental game involved and not just a physical um and just keep going keep pushing it So that's like mentally I need to stay tough for this show coming up. Um.

01:10:44.78

christophknoll

We'll see if if the show coming up doesn't work out the way that you have it planned I'm just going to play back The audio that you just that you just went on talking about and you'll be fine.

01:10:52.62

Paul

Bro. Yeah for real I'll just be like deed Paul if you lose this show with the fuck. What are you doing? yeah episode 36 little over an hour in listen from there. Um.

01:10:58.72

christophknoll

Go listen listen to episode 36 that that's what you have to do a few few.

01:11:10.20

Paul

No, but yeah, just like like regional national pro. Oh like all back to back? Um, yeah, yeah, just big baby ba and then you're like all right, Let's get ready for the o.

01:11:10.32

christophknoll

Comes back and then just immediately qualifies for the O No ah yeah within a month just.

01:11:25.69

Paul

No, that would be so satisfying though if I did win overall at the show and I could listen back to this and be like yeah oh no I knew what the fuck I was talking about I'd be that'd be great, but um, yeah, that's I mean that's the goal I mean if I do win Overall then I mean the plan like I said my coach said you know, especially if his other client.

01:11:32.22

christophknoll

Yep, ah.

01:11:43.91

Paul

Isn't a different class. He basically says that both of us will end up in the overall competition. Um, hopefully if him and I are in the same class I'll still end up in the overall competition. So overall is going to be first. So for those that don't know there's a little nuance there overall is the first of each class. So if there's 4 classes for height. You do all 4 of them against each other um at the end and that whoever wins that is the overall for the day. It's the you win. Overall.

01:12:07.98

christophknoll

Which means you have the you have the potential to see that Brian Shaw comparison you know what? I'm talking about when it's giant versus the length that you know.

01:12:14.85

Paul

Yeah, yeah, that's literally what happens you got these dudes like six two fucking massive next to like 5 5 4 like a lot less size but that was cool about chewy winning was he was a lot shorter.

01:12:26.27

christophknoll

Happens that happens whenever I stay next to Nick.

01:12:31.69

Paul

Dude I Know that's literally how it was like he was competing against like these gigantic dudes and he ended up winning overall were just kind of dope like he deserved it Anyways, like he deserved it with his with being how lean it was and his aesthetics and physique overall but like that's what happens you got these guys who are tall as shit sometimes up against these you know these guys were a lot shorter. But.

01:12:36.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:12:51.24

Paul

At the end of the day. It's you take each person individually and it's like how do they look against each other regardless of height just their overall physique if you made them all the same size made them all the same height like how do they look as an overall package who wins and that's what the overall is about um. And the height classes will Change. You know they'll but vary Whoever the overall winner is so that's my goal is overall and then the whoever wins overall is qualified for National show. So That's what I'm hoping could happen is winning that overall and. And I think like I said it'll also give me the affirmation that I need it'll show my family to show my wife like what all of this has been Worth. You know what? all of this Heart. You know this? you know everything that we've been through her and I and like everything I've been through mentally everything she's been through like it'll start to make more sense and then if we can get to the national stage.

01:13:28.88

christophknoll

Yep.

01:13:41.34

Paul

My goal from there is top 2 in my class I don't think if I were to keep compete nationally I don't think I'd win overall that's just a reality I'm just not there yet I need a lot more size but um I think that if we do step on a national stage. My goal is top 2 class I can get I pb pro. That's my goal and I'm hoping that would happen this year next year

01:13:56.67

christophknoll

Gets the text don't come home if you don't win over all my god.

01:14:00.14

Paul

Fuck looks like I'm winning now because I don't go anywhere else asleep. So.

01:14:07.40

christophknoll

Ah, immediately goes to the other competitors and goes hey guys if you got to let me win like just fuck up on your posing because like I got nowhere to go Yeah for the picture.

01:14:14.10

Paul

Listen I'll give you the overall after I just need to to look like I won Yeah,, let me just take the overall picture. Let me hold the fucking Actx. So Whatever The hell it is that they're given for the winner and I'll send that to my wife so I can go home and see them a bit. They can go home. Like I just want to go home. Dude I Want to be homeless I'd be funny. But yeah, know that's that's that's how it isn't going into. It's like I need to show like what it's all been Worth. You know what? I've been building up towards I need to I need that Affirmation. So That's what we're going into.

01:14:31.85

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:14:43.74

christophknoll

And I mean while having that mindset is good I mean and of course Ronnie is an absolute outlier in the literal sense of the word but Ronnie didn't even qualify for his first though until 30 something so like.

01:14:57.70

Paul

Yeah.

01:15:00.50

christophknoll

While you while having that mindset of of it all being worth it leading up to this is good. You also have to keep in mind that even if it doesn't work out. There is so much more like lifespan left your in your career that you can just go and decimate another show.

01:15:14.48

Paul

Yeah, if if we show up to the show and I don't win overall ideally I want to place at least overall I want I want to compete overall, that's my goal is at least class I really want to win overall on I think I can but the minimum I want is to compete in overall and if we don't win. Overall, we can go back to the drawing board and be like okay, what did we not. Come an ideal too and then like a couple months later after the show we can compete in another show and just fix what we had wrong and then we can qualify for national show from there. You know so it's not like it's not the end of the road if I don't win this show coming up but I want to go into it knowing that I have all this time put into it. So. Like there's no reason why I shouldn't be able to win and really the the biggest thing I need to do right now is just lose my lower belly fat and just get my transitions from posing down and then from there I I think I should be dialed in for the most part. Um, but again Tam will tell I mean who knows I mean and we might be pushing myself.

01:15:53.31

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:16:09.78

Paul

Might be pushing me too hard and it might end up like like an elastic band just snapping back. You know four days out and all of a sudden I'm just not responding to anything and I just come in flat and fucking full of water even though I cut it all you know like it just you never know what can happen. What's that.

01:16:21.37

christophknoll

Big Rami who big rami who.

01:16:28.43

Paul

Yeah, exactly um, just pull a rommi. That's all I got ah that's all that could happen is I could just pull a rommi randomly.

01:16:32.72

christophknoll

Post the absolute most diced photos. You can find like a day before and then just absolutely flop at the at the show.

01:16:42.93

Paul

What I've thought about the past I've told my coaches I'm like dude you should find like a 6 year old photo and be like two weeks out just like look like absolute shit and just be like I'm almost ready I'm almost dialed in. It's like dude do even hit the gym like um I think that'd be funny, but.

01:16:55.26

christophknoll

Ah.

01:16:59.84

Paul

Um, that's also like when people actually care I think it's like if you're competing at the pro level I think they'll be funny like you pull this like a story and it's like you're like from like six years ago

01:17:00.74

christophknoll

Yeah I was Goingnna say if if it's well yeah, that's why I mean like if we posted something like on our socials. The only ones we're going to know are you and I like and maybe like a handful of others. So.

01:17:14.85

Paul

Yeah, yeah, exactly? Um, but I mean I think that'll be funny. But yeah, it's um I don't know I'm I'm ready though. I'm definitely ready to compete I'm really excited I'm just I'm so excited to finally step on stage and finally do it and it's just it's just um. Now at this point just bringing it all together is everything I've learned from the past and just really bringing it together and just presenting what I know um, granted like I said I still need to learn my transitions which really isn't hard posing for me does make sense. So. It's not a lot um going into it to learn my transitions I just need to get the the work In. Um.

01:17:34.66

christophknoll

Yep.

01:17:51.67

Paul

But besides that I mean it's just like I said I just presenting it. Um I feel like I've worked on my weaknesses for the past two years I've I've built up my chest because when I started with my coach that was my weakness I built up my chest to a good place and I'm building up my arms to a much better place and they've gotten a lot more size. My back is there. Um. Um, my abs are way more coming in now they're symmetrical I'm keeping them I'm keeping them large you know my legs are at least going to fill out the board shorts. That's my goal they they don't judge likes they don't need to come in with your legs dialed in but filling out the board shorts to have you know and a look a proportionate look um is the goal for me. Um. And then coming in just like just presenting that and I think that's really, um, what I'm just focusing on is just like everything is just leading up to this point and I just need to fucking knock it out of the park and like I said if we don't hit it to a t and I don't win. It's okay if I don't place first in my class. Fuck am I doing but um at the end of day I mean I I've I've talked about this before I'm not a bodybuilder I don't train to become a bodybuilder I'm a bodybuilder because I love the train you know and that's where it all stemed from I just loved lifting I loved training the food aspect that could.

01:18:49.66

christophknoll

Sisters.

01:19:07.91

Paul

Do without but training and posing is what I love and because of that I'm a bodybuilder and not the other way around some people become bodybuilder is because they want to be 1 and because of that they have to train and they have to pose and they don't necessarily love it. Um, who was it that Ronnie was talking about. Um. Who is the guy that Ronnie wait. Um I don't know if you remember the guy Ronnie said like could really actually beat him. He's like he thought that he always had a better physique. Um, why am I drawing a blank I could say it any other time I always forget. But.

01:19:40.32

christophknoll

Um, oh um.

01:19:47.70

Paul

He was that example, he was in martial arts first and he was approached by someone said you could be huge in bodybuilding I think you should be a bodybuilder so he started training like 1 and he hated training but he kept training life one because he was good at it. He was good at being a bodybuilder. He had the genetics for it. So. He became a bodybuder but he didn't like training at all for bodybuder. He loved martial arts. That's what he loved he loved fighting um but he went to compete because he just had the genetics for it. So I'm not like that I I started training in the gym and I got into bodybuilding because I love the train. Ah so. Process is what I love not necessarily the stage. Um the stage is what I want to do now but the process getting there is really what I'm here for if there wasn't training I wouldn't do any of this shit.

01:20:32.19

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean I've always wondered too like even on a lifestyle aspect. How people don't like posing because like I'll go and I mean there's an old Arnold thing where arnold talks about how he hits a pose like after every single set.

01:20:50.35

Paul

It is.

01:20:50.99

christophknoll

Just because you primed a muscle and you want to you know engage it in another way and like there's a lot of mirrors at my gym So I'll do that just because you know why? not? It's enjoyable to pose like once you get past the front double because everybody does the front double once you.

01:21:01.47

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:21:07.93

christophknoll

Get past that and start doing some of the other poses like I'll hit like side chests just out of the blue just to check in and see how it's looking and it's enjoyable to do so like that's that's like an a little bit of enjoyment that I find in the gym and so it always surprises me when people like.

01:21:14.40

Paul

Yeah.

01:21:25.96

christophknoll

Don't enjoy doing that because you get to just see yourself in a pumped up state. Why wouldn't you want to have that little bit of a boost like it. It doesn't make sense to me.

01:21:34.32

Paul

Yeah, um, no I'm in the same boat I agree. Um and people say posing is weird and stuff and it's like I get it. It is a weird stance like doing side chests is a very weird thing to do it. It doesn't look natural at all and it's not it to accentuate different muscles in a different way. But. Um, there's an art to it and who I met earlier was Flex Wheeler that's what I meant I don't know why was drawinging a blank on his name was Flex Wheeler that I was talking about um Flex Wheeler was a martial artist before becoming a bodybuilder and he just had phenomenal genetics for bodybuilding. That's why he got into it but in interviews now he says that he doesn't like he didn't like training. He didn't want to train. He didn't enjoy it but he did it because he was able to compete on a bodybuilding stage when he was done bodybuilding. He went right back to martial arts. So granted he doesn't have his leg now. Unfortunately, he's still trains. He's still train I think he's always still trained like a bodybuilder kind of to a lesser degree when you retire you still train to a lesser degree. Um.

01:22:16.23

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:22:29.40

Paul

It's It's like like that's how that's how it's going to be for me is even when I'm I've told my wife I'm like even when I'm done bodybuiling I'm still going to train like there's still going to be training. There's still goingnna be a meal plan I'm still going to live the lifestyle because it is a lifestyle. It's who I am it's part of who I am you know there's always going to be like I might not be in the gym as much you know more like maintenance kind of stuff like.

01:22:34.39

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:22:48.60

Paul

You know, kind of on you know, relatively on plan Monday through Friday then just kind of like whatever healthy whys whatever Saturday Sunday trend like four days a week like push po legs arms or some shit like that like like do like a chess day a back day a leg day and then like a shoulder bicep and tricep day or something. Um. You know, like whatever it is that I can do to just maintain. That's what I'll do when I retire and stop doing this but it's always gonna be a part of me um, same with like posing like it's just there's it's an art to me. It's truly an art. Um someone that I think everybody should check out in Instagram is um is killing or take a perez. Um. The guy I follow he posts posing videos and like he is exactly um, yeah, it's Killian Ortego Perez he's a posing coach and he also competes um he's a ihoebe elite pro athlete so he competes in the eastern european competitions um but like he's truly like he's truly like the epitome of like the art like that's he's about the posing. That's what he that's what he's all about and that's what I want to become is like. When I I don't want to be a coach I don't want to be a coach I could potentially be a trainer like a potentially train people in hypertrophy. But at the end of the day when I'm done bodybuilding or even in the middle of bodybuilding what I want to be as a opposing coach. That's what I love I want to be able to critique people's posing and get paid.

01:24:08.43

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:24:14.48

Paul

Per half hour hour session or whatever and work on somebody's posing and get them dialed in and like ideally want to get into classic he posing and all of that like that's what he does he he has this art to his posing and um, that's why I love following his Instagram is because that's what he posts is the routines and. And the aesthetics and stuff like that of of posing. Um, but he again he poses in class of physique style which is more of an art than like men's open men's open is just how fucking massive and lean can I get men's physique is like how aesthetic can I be um, where. And then you're just you're posing in an aesthetic way to just accentuate how you look symmetrically and all of that. But classic is the art behind it. It's how big how lean how aesthetic can I be for the human genetics like how like what's the perfect human form possible. Um, that's classic.

01:25:03.60

christophknoll

Yeah, and open is an open is how many how much drugs can we take without dying.

01:25:07.93

Paul

Um, and there's where that's where the art comes in.

01:25:14.48

Paul

That's that's where they're at at this point. Yeah for sure. Um, and how fucking freaky can I look as well like it's just absolute freak. Um, so there's that but there is the art to it and I think kill and Ortega has a very similar posing style to.

01:25:18.69

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:25:31.32

Paul

Um, Lee Lebrada Lee Labbrada kind of developed his own posesy style back in the 70 s um, which was it's called open closed open which is a very beautiful art style as far as posing goes. Um for those that don't know when it comes to classic posing. There's different. Ah so many different poses you can do. Are main 4 there's the main 4 poses for classic. It's going to be side chest front double like typically they'll do like a front lat spread a rear double um and then what's called a quarter turn. So when you when you step on stage as classic, you'll typically they'll so typically say. Front lat spread or front double then they'll say quarter turn to the side. You do a quarter turn which is kind of like kind of flexing your chest a little bit flexing your triceps you standing up straight then they say rear double or rear lat spread then they say quarter turn to the right side chest or something like that. Um, and then you just hit whatever side. You say they say quarter turn doesn't matter what way you turn? Whatever's looks best for you is the way you turn so some people turn clouds are clockwise some people turn clockwise it doesn't matter. Um, but then they'll also say side chestss those are like the main poses that you'll get. But then there's so many other poses during your actual posing routine during the finals that will.

01:26:27.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:26:42.32

Paul

Help the judges determine who should be first. You could be second in prejudging but then bring it to first because of your finals routine. You know you could have a beautiful routine and really accentuate your your strengths and they're like okay he didn't look the best in prejudging but he has the routine. He has the posing down. He's got this art to it that brings him to first place. Um, so that's where the posing of like that's where the art comes in not really necessarily the pre-judging stuff. Um, it's going to be It's gonna be the finals and lee lab brada who is an open competitor back in the 70 s I think it was the seventy s um. He has a style I believe is called open closed open where when he would transition from a pose you'd consider the post itself open That's what it's called you consider open then he would close his system and open it back up into another pose so transitioning from like a side chest to a front double. He'll like bring his arm around like. Keep his hands together bring it around and then like just it's just it's an art. It's like you want to move like water. It's like Tai Chi you want to like move into like so flow into the next pose and you do what you want it to look natural. You wanted to look like holy shit. He just moved from this pose to this pose with 2 completely different poses but it didn't look like it.

01:27:45.50

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:27:58.80

Paul

You know so like that's part of the art and that's what I want to get into but men's physique is why that's why men's physique gets kind of shit on is because the posing is so fucking whack.

01:28:06.54

christophknoll

That's why I never I mean we've talked about it in the past, but that's why I could never really get behind it even on a fan side because like I just don't like seeing the same 2 things over and over again.

01:28:17.80

Paul

Yeah, um, and the problem nowadays too. So like like I've said in the past where men's physique originated was like who has the perfect beach body like what's the perfect body for like showing up to the beach like this is like the epit of me of like what the average man wants. That's kind of where it originated So like that's where the standing there kind of showed up is because it's like this is what you're going to be doing when you're in public you're going to be standing there So It's like the idea is like let's see how good I can look while just kind of standing naturally. But then it kind of transition into this like this like sidefront pose and then you get your back pose.

01:28:35.84

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:28:48.77

Paul

Problem now that I'm seeing a lot and lot more That's really pissing me off is that you got the guys in the front pose that literally look like they're just fucking standing there then I love the hand on the hip that's me personally but Aaron Banks is one that kind of. Bringing this back is that just a standing there. You have your hands down. You can't even see your lats at all from the front you just accentuating your chest in your ab who just fucking standing there and then there's this back pose called? It's called handle bars every all the coaches not coaches judges at that summinar I went to a Steve Weinberger all of them said do not do this shit and yet they still fucking. Do it.

01:29:23.32

christophknoll

Um.

01:29:24.13

Paul

Even at the o Aaron Banks got first and he still fucking. Did it. It's called Handlebars whereas you do the back pose. Ideally what you want to do with the back pose is the way I think about it is you want to do a lat spread flex your triceps and rest your arms on your lats. That's what you want to do lean a little bit back tilt your head up so that you look. More straight because you're gonna be leaning back so you want to make it look natural so leaning your head forward. It'll look like you're leaning back. But if you lean your head up. It's gonna look more natural. You want to accentuate your Christmas tree which is your lower back. You accentuate your lower lats your lat your ah upper latch your rombroids ah your traps your tricep. Yeah rombroids.

01:29:56.58

christophknoll

Rombroids.

01:29:58.47

Paul

Your Rom boardids your traps all of that at the same time. But what they're doing now is instead of resting it kind of like at a 45 to like a fifty degree angle maybe 60 at the most they're doing what's called handlebar you're riding a chopper. You're fucking ° with your arms and it just makes the lats look much smaller because you're you're not. Thickening them. You're just spreading them out.

01:30:19.60

christophknoll

It's like it's like you're almost going like into a front double like um like like ah unlike a classic physique ah transition almost because like you you do the the the reveal like that. Yeah.

01:30:21.98

Paul

Yes, yeah, so like you're gonna do a front double but before you raise your hands. Yeah, yeah before you raise your hands you go ° that's the pose right? there and it's just it's so fucking dumb to me and Steve Weinberg was calling it out. He's like it just doesn't it makes your last look a lot smaller makes your latin assertions look a lot higher it just he's like I don't know why people are doing this now. It doesn't make any sense. So um, you're starting to see that now and then another thing I'm starting to see with this guy who keeps fucking winning Second for some reason at these pro shows is he's just standing straight on. He puts both of his hands on his hips. Standing straight on I'm like dude, it's nine two thousand and twelve like we we're out of this now. That's not it anymore that ain't it. That's how they started it in the beginning where they put their hands on their hips spread their lats kind of you know they were soft back then and everything was a different look but like that's how they did it back then this you just standing there I'm like dude you're not even fucking posing like why is this guy getting rewarded for that.

01:31:03.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:31:14.55

christophknoll

She.

01:31:19.46

Paul

He has a great physique. Don't get me wrong like he deserves to be first callout but like dude fucking pose. So you're starting to see that now and it's like you to have the balls to just stand straight on to the judges and be like yeah my waist is small enough for this is fucking wild.

01:31:32.77

christophknoll

Well, that might well that might be part of it like just to have that meant mentality that mindset be like it doesn't matter what I do I'm going to win.

01:31:39.90

Paul

And his back poses shit too. It's too forward I'm like he's great physique don't get you wrong. He should not be first with his physique I don't think I don't think he should be first maybe third something like that but his posing should be docked. He should be dock because of his posing and that's my opinion and that's also kind of why I want to become a judge one day. Because I'm so fucking picky on how these guys compete and I think that like you obviously you have to go into it without bias like you can't have bias and obviously there's gonna be some unconscious bias but like when it comes to posing. You should do the bare minimum of just hitting the fucking pose like you feel at least you'renna stand there.

01:32:01.57

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:32:17.47

Paul

Kind of like what aar man does is for its front pose fine. You know you're technically hitting the pose but like they do just standing straight on that's not even actually the front pose That's not the pose that everybody's doing now that's not what's being called for so and like the handle bars. It's like you're technically doing is you can't really be docked for it. But it just looks fucking whack. So that's another reason.

01:32:23.92

christophknoll

So.

01:32:36.77

Paul

Men's phsique is is getting a bad rap is because you got these guys doing these wacky yes poses and like like with classic just's different ways of heading different poses that make you look good, but like it's when you do in men's physique just 2 poses and it just just fucking just just hit them and if everybody hits them the same way we can all kind of see who's winning and. If. You don't gotta to prove anything. You know if you think you should you could win then do the same pose. Everybody else is doing. You don't need to make it different just beat them on your physique. That's what men's physique is about it who has the best physique. There's no best posing you know so just hit the fucking pose and get offstage you know show who has the best physique.

01:33:08.37

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:33:14.40

christophknoll

And maybe that's why maybe that's why I'm not as drawn to it because in sports like I'm a spectator so I want to see a show of some kind and so that's why classic Physique really sets the bar because like the posing routines and you're coming out and you're kind of building up the crowd to something.

01:33:15.90

Paul

But that's also my opinion.

01:33:34.40

Paul

Yeah, my my thing with men's physique. The reason why I'm okay with competing in it is because it's getting bigger and leaner and it's almost to the point now where a lot of men's Physique guys can almost compete in classic just with a little bit more size. Um, so that's why I'm okay with competing a men's physique.

01:33:34.16

christophknoll

That's that's kind of my stance on it.

01:33:51.56

Paul

Ten years ago I wouldn't be because it's not the look I'm going for I could step on stage right now I could step on stage eight weeks out and compete. You know in men's physique you know, relative lab showing some fat you know it's not the look that they're going for now now it's peeled. It's pretty big. You got to have muscle you got to have proportions. So.

01:33:58.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:34:10.77

Paul

Um, that's why I'm okay with it. So but when it comes to the posting I understand why people aren't into it. Um, so like that's why I don't write on anybody who's like I'm not a fan I get it. You know I get it. I wasn't the biggest fan at first but it's just come such a long way in the past like four years even I've gotten a lot more respect for it. Um, and if you look at it like. Imagine seeing this physique in person like or like in public mind person in public imagine seeing this in public like that's the idea behind it. It's like how would you react to this physique in public who has the best physique if you in public and you're like wow that guy's physique is fucking crazy. You know.

01:34:32.76

christophknoll

That's true. Yeah, right.

01:34:42.70

christophknoll

Well, that's like Ronnie Winkler would go into the streets of New York with no shirt on and just walk around.

01:34:47.19

Paul

Yeah, yeah, that's that's what it is. It's like that's the original idea behind men's physique is like who has the best physique for the public like who would look the best like everybody would cause like men's physique you're still gonna get people looking at you. Because you're physique and that's part of the reason why I'm excited for Florida is because it's like I'm going to look the best I've ever looked in my entire life and I'm going to go to the place that is for that. So um, that's the but mind set behind men's physique and that's I'm okay with it. But again I understand why you're not into it. You know the posing is pretty whack but I hope it comes I hope.

01:35:06.62

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:35:22.48

Paul

1 day men's physique starts introducing more poses I hope they do a quarter turn and I hope they do a side chest or something and then they do front rear doubles not necessarily like posing like classic I think that's too much for it. Consider they don't judge the legs but I think if we do like a side chest or something where you don't need to look at the legs. It's just how you accentuate your chest or like. You know guys are just going to stand there straight and just do a fucking side chest but just bend over and spread your cheeks spread them. Um, how much hair is in there.

01:35:43.22

christophknoll

First call out glute spread.

01:35:53.34

christophknoll

The prit I'd like to see the prison pose. Please.

01:35:59.00

Paul

Yeah, every hair is 1 less point. Um, yeah, no, but I think that that would be cool, but it's gonna like I mean the difference between now and a few years from now I think is is gonna be a big difference. Um, even the the level competition with like legs. You know you look three years ago

01:35:59.90

christophknoll

Jesus.

01:36:16.35

Paul

These guys didn't have legs but now they all have huge legs. Yeah, they all got big legs. A shorts are getting and there's the other thing the 2 with the shorts Steve Weinberg didn't like it. He was saying that the shorts are supposed to be just above the knee. That's the idea is that you're supposed to wear board shorts that you would wear to the beach but shorts for men's fus are getting shorter and shorter and shorter and tighter and tighter where they're almost like.

01:36:18.40

christophknoll

They're filling out their shorts. Yeah.

01:36:36.33

Paul

Old classic Physique shorts for those that don't know old classic phique shorts. You couldn't see their glutes. It actually come down their ham a little bit. It was almost like you're wearing box a briefefs kind of you know so like that's how they're getting. They're almost getting to that point now. So I like that direction I think that.

01:36:44.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:36:52.73

Paul

Even though legs aren't judged but you have proportionate legs I think you should be rewarded for that because you have a proportion aesthetic physique If you have no legs and your fucking board shorts are bagging waving around. But then you have a gigantic upper body. It just looks weird. So I think that's the the direction I hope it goes in.

01:37:08.20

christophknoll

Yeah, and we can hope and hopefully over the next couple years that starts to see some change frontier to by Paul Max rusty yeah

01:37:10.45

Paul

So anyways.

01:37:16.83

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, that'd be great if I could revolutionize it somehow. But I don't know time will tell yeah I'll keep you guys posted on ah my show and all of that and we'll talk about it next weekend Probably a little bit too.

01:37:25.58

christophknoll

But be great though.

01:37:30.71

christophknoll

Yeah, for sure hide it buddy. We are gonna wrap things up here.

01:37:37.33

Paul

All right? Well thanks for listening guys. Check out our Youtube check out our website HHCastDotCom um I got to catch up on the videos for there. But for the for the Youtube but if you guys want to watch. Um, you could check out our Youtube listen on other platforms. But Youtube we have the videos.

01:37:53.61

christophknoll

Hell yeah, hi everybody. But.

01:37:54.87

Paul

See you guys.


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