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HGH #37 - Golden Era Steroid Cycles


00:00.93

christophknoll

Hey guys we are back with another episode today another podcast and I kind of said the same thing so ah, for for context I say the same intro every day. Ah or every time I and I tried to change it up and I got.

00:05.60

Paul

Yeah, pretty pretty close. It's okay, it's okay.

00:17.24

christophknoll

2 words different.

00:18.85

Paul

Yep, it's all good. It's all good. Um, but yeah, so you got any updates on your end, you're you're gonna say something but you said let's just record it. So what was it that you're gonna say.

00:26.66

christophknoll

Well, it's in regards to our our conversation that we'll get into so for update though I actually do have a mini update that I'm actually seeing crazy results like honestly only one two weeks in of of this one change in my diet. Or not die in my plan which you know obviously you you don't expect to have changes that quick but I am and so I'm just running with it. But there's an old um old rich pia ah thing where he he talks about growing his arms and obviously you know.

00:46.53

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:04.23

christophknoll

He has his history with synthal and his different drug use and whatnot. But um for his arms. He said the 1 thing that I want everyone to do is right before you go to bed so this is after you've eaten your last meal you know for me after I've taken my supplements all of that stuff. Um. Do 300 skull crushers 300 hammer curls like you do it in sets of hundred hundred hundred hundred hundred hundred and you do that would like you know he's he's used the words like Baby Weight you said like a 15 um, but when you get that high I mean I'm using. I'm using something less than that just because that's so many reps. But yep because I just yeah I've I've got dumb bulls at home. Um, and so I literally just I lay down in bed I grab but you know my 2 weights and I do.

01:45.81

Paul

Um, and this is at home. You're just using like dumbbells like small dumbbells.

01:59.82

christophknoll

Between fifty and a hundred skull crushers and then I'll stand up and I'll do between fifty and a hundred hammer curls and I'll just go like I'll burn myself out and I also added ah I don't know if it's pinch grip or close grip.

02:16.20

christophknoll

Chest pressing with the with the dumbbos. Um, yeah, close grip. Um, and I do that just because my chest is my bless you my most ah or my area that needs the most work even though I know I have a bad view on on my arms but people you know, tell me that they're okay, but.

02:18.61

Paul

That's close I would say cold script. Yeah, thank you.

02:35.80

christophknoll

Chest I know for a fact is my area that I need the most work on and so I've been doing that for literally just a week and I don't know if it's because I'm getting this pump right before bed and then I wake up and I just feel like I still have it Obviously I don't but like I I just feel like my arms have grown.

02:45.94

Paul

So.

02:55.80

christophknoll

I haven't measured like centimeter wise my arms since I started doing this I probably should do one like today. So then I can get it before and and after but I just feel so much better about my upper body. So it might just be fully the placebo of like doing it and thinking that I'm getting bigger but.

02:59.16

Paul

Yeah.

03:15.73

christophknoll

That's what I started adding at the end of I do it at the end of any day that I do a workout. So if I do a a rest day where I'm not in the gym I won't do it there just because you as you know Paul but 1 of my biggest problems is overworking when I find something that works. So. I really have to make sure that um when I'm doing something like this I'm only doing it on working days and even even some like ah what was it I did my chess day and I crushed my chess day this week like to the point where I couldn't hold my arms out in front of me and ah.

03:44.19

Paul

Who Oh yeah.

03:50.67

christophknoll

On a night like that I I finished all my nightly routine and I sat down I grabbed the dumbles and it was just I'm like it's not going today. It's it's not going to work. So obviously you know with moderation and regulation. But for me this one little change has impacted me.

04:01.83

Paul

Ah.

04:09.72

christophknoll

Heavily and I'm loving it. Um I'm certainly going to continue it again. It 100% could be just placebo effect right now like it's the same thing in like sports or like golf I buy a new golf driver and I hit it perfect for a month and then I get back into my old ways like. Your bra and brain tricks your mind or tricks yourself into either feeling good about something or thinking something is working but obviously consistency is key so I'm just gonna keep at this I'd average about 3 to 4 nights a week doing it because right now I work out between 3 4 maybe 5 on a good week. Um, so I'm averaging between 3 and 4 nights a week of doing this and it's been great and um with the chest like that little bit obviously that's not going to improve my my strength because I'm moving.

04:47.33

Paul

Um.

05:03.14

christophknoll

£15 dumbbells so it's not like going to improve my my weight at all. But this is purely just to get my aesthetics a little bit better and getting my pecs a little bit more defined because I struggle getting that center but right down the middle I have that gap right down at the bottom of my peck in the middle. Um like the.

05:18.25

Paul

This is.

05:22.40

christophknoll

Like people call it the serial bowl Sometimes that little indent right? Yeah, um so I struggle with that. So obviously like I'll I'll do different variations of the of the close grip press like if if I'm like sitting up to get a little bit of an incline or.

05:26.21

Paul

Um, Sternum your cernum area. Yeah.

05:39.48

christophknoll

I'll even balance myself off the end of my bed to get a decline like just variating or getting different variations and as we go just trying to target every little bit and again it's just for just for definition just to get a little bit of extra work and I know you've talked about in your past how like chest was an area for you that you.

05:47.15

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

05:58.77

christophknoll

You know, wanted improvement and so you're doing like twice a week for I know you I think you said like 2 years he did twice a week or something like that and yeah, yeah, and I unfortunately with my.

06:01.95

Paul

Yep. It was. It was a while like it was at least a year I did two chess days a week.

06:16.10

christophknoll

New schedule and what I do in my day I can't make it to the gym enough days to get a second chest stay in because I still have to hit everything else. So this is my little way of like continuing to improve and continuing to make small little changes. Ah just in the comfort of my own home and I will say too.

06:23.50

Paul

Ah.

06:34.65

christophknoll

My sleep has gotten a lot better because I exert myself and at first I was skeptical because obviously when you do lifting lifting nots not as much so as cardio but your heart rate does still increase especially doing that many reps so I had worries about that at first. But when I'd fall into bed after doing 300 reps of hammer or ah, yeah, hammer curls skull crushers and close grip press I just fall into bed and I'm just I'm out man. So it's I um I don't I don't have my phone at that time because I make it a point to not.

07:00.23

Paul

How long does it take you.

07:12.17

christophknoll

You'd be using my phone right before bed. Um, so I do it by candlelight. But I'd probably say it takes me between 10 minutes maybe 15 if it's on the longer side. Maybe I mean maybe not so much I'd say between 5 and 10 actually now that I think about it just because you you don't take any breaks you go first set.

07:25.38

Paul

Okay, interesting. That's quick here.

07:31.90

christophknoll

Ah, so I start with my ah skull crushes then you go right into Hammer crows and you go right into the close grip press and then you go right? back. There's no rest time in between because you're hitting different muscles. So it's not like you're needing to give it time like or extra time I should say because when I'm doing my.

07:38.85

Paul

Yeah.

07:50.20

christophknoll

Or my hammer curls. Obviously my triceps aren't engaged so that's more or less their rest time. Um and with such low weight when I do the close grip press I can just completely target my my prec muscles like take out the the arm and shoulder.

07:56.75

Paul

Gotcha.

08:07.46

Paul

Um, yeah.

08:08.85

christophknoll

Almost completely just because of how small the weight is and being able to have that mind muscle connection. So for me, it's really been working and I'm just going to keep at it. Um, and that's that's what I mean like we talk about it all the time finding changes and testing it out and if it works if it doesn't work like keep at it like.

08:13.16

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

08:28.61

christophknoll

This is just a thing that I saw on I think it was either Instagram or Tiktok cause my thing is full of richpion stuff. So when you guys see anything on your socials or even hear Paul and I talk about something weird just give it a try. You never know if you're gonna like it like when I saw him do that or talk about it I was like that's.

08:33.45

Paul

And.

08:45.43

christophknoll

Killer that's like when he talks about his 8 hour arm work I'm like that looks that I don't know if I could do that and I just gave it a try and I I love it. So just stick at it guys know I I did not try the 8 hour work workout and I don't think I would like it either.

08:54.88

Paul

Not that not the 8 hour workout

09:03.92

Paul

Yeah, no, that's it's that's so over the top. Yeah yeah, the amount of protein shakes. He has is ridiculous. Um, yeah I think it is for so for that the results just comes down to just overall volume. You're just putting a lot more volume.

09:05.16

christophknoll

You need 8 shakes throughout this.

09:20.30

Paul

Into your arms and that's really especially smaller muscle groups like your arms dealts. Um, even chest a little bit and calves it. It comes down to a lot to volume typically um, high intensity typically doesn't necessarily work that well with the smaller muscle groups. Um, it's not how they're built so the higher volume is. Gonna result more That's why like like my split being six days. Whatever I need to work on for a long period of time I'll make two days a week as part of it really I'm doing 5 different days in the gym but 1 of them I'm repeating so like chess was that first for me and then right for the past like. 6 to 10 months I don't even know how long it's been ah arms. It's been arms for the longest times so two arm days a week and that's it's just it drastically improves. Whatever I'm trying to improve upon and chess was the first one.

10:11.20

christophknoll

And you said your and you I think also more recently in past like week or two week you've talked about um how you've had to add like ab days in a lot of the week now too.

10:20.61

Paul

I don't have to um I'm just choosing to because I'm prepping for my show. So I just want to make sure that I can maintain the muscle there while I'm depleted. So that's why I started training abs the second we started to cut because I wanted to be sure that.

10:31.86

christophknoll

Um, okay.

10:39.18

Paul

When I am very low calorie. Very low carb. Very low protein I can still hold on to my abdominals because I'm allegedly on Anabolics which is going to help with that. It's going to help with the maintaining So I want to make sure that I am training it enough to to keep my abs you know, full and round and not flat when we step on stage.

10:56.97

christophknoll

Yeah.

10:58.73

Paul

Um, so there's this video I don't know if you saw it. There's the I I love this clip so much. It makes me die laughing. This guy's playing games and he's just like oh oh no, like he's like playing games or something and he like realizes something so he like o. Ah, he puts his hands on his head. He goes. Oh no, so is like the meme was like ah when I forget to do abs for the ten thousandth time in a row and I'm like that's literally me.

11:24.85

christophknoll

Ah, that's that's a sad reality though for a lot of people in the gym because I mean we've talked about how you know ab growth one is is in the kitchen and 2 you get a lot of it from like compound movements anyways, um, but the reality is.

11:37.74

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

11:43.52

christophknoll

I would say between thirty forty maybe even 50% of people that go in the gym just don't hit abs like at all throughout the week

11:49.93

Paul

Yeah I don't really when I'm bulking. It's just I'm already so taxed from training with such high intensity and high volume that I don't have the energy really to put into abs but like right now. I'm still training with de and intensity. But I'm really just making it a point that I'm hitting some sort of abs pretty much every day except for back and legs. Um, it's the only days I don't have abs so today being chess I'm gonna hit some abs after.

12:12.56

christophknoll

Yeah, well you got you got to hit abs on on back day because your your skin is going to be stretched out on both sides so it feels like she's holding you. Yeah.

12:26.48

Paul

Oh gosh That's weird. You got to get a pump from both sides like yes, a pump hug your own pump hug. Um.

12:34.36

christophknoll

I'm being held again the comfort of my own hug.

12:43.67

Paul

But yeah's so that that's the reason I put that in there and my arms have drastically improved. Um, since I started doing two arm days a week. They've always been a weakness for me. They're not I wouldn't necessarily say there a strength especially my triceps. My triceps are extremely hard to build but my biceps have gotten to a much much better place. And to add to what you were saying earlier. The thing that literally was night and day for me. Ah that like drastically changed the way my biasceps looked um was like in quotations wide grip dumbbell curls. So I would just do dumbbell curls really heavy dumbbell curls.

13:19.00

christophknoll

Um, know her.

13:22.12

Paul

And hold the dumbbells like it's a wide grip. So my my arms are facing away from me and then I squeeze from my pinky and curl. Um and that helps with the I think it's the I always got them mixed up I think it's the short head of the bicep. It's the inside of the bicep.

13:38.55

Paul

And that's really what's given me my peak like I've gotten a lot more of a peek from that because a lot of my long head was what I was training before and I didn't realize it so when I started doing that I was fucking my short head and it's just drastically improved. Um. So I've gotten way more meticulous about what heads I hit and what movement for both my bioceps and my triceps and and how they're hit so I haven't pretty much dialed in for the most part The only thing I can't quite figure out is whenever I train I do a tricep press movement. Um. Like a bench press movement. So I can't I can't quite figure out which 1 works best for me whether that's smith barbell or machine machine as in like is it's like a lying plate loaded hammer strength machine I can't figure out which 1 works best for me. Um, so.

14:23.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

14:30.27

Paul

I Don't know I'll keep experimenting and keep figuring out someday. It's gonna something's gonna click like the bicep curs did it's one day. Something's gonna click and it's just gonna work. Um, but yeah, that's that's what I do. That's how I've built my shit up So Chess was I will attest to flies flies and a lot of inclined press Movements. Um. Really,? what's gonna help build your chest and we've talked about it before you either. You have a chest or you have delts something that more plates more dates said and it it is the reality. My doubtves aren't.

14:55.40

christophknoll

Yeah, I'm just thinking the meme from Derek the the one I sent you were is his shoulders are like built up like it's photouhopped and it looks like he has like shoulder pads on. Ah.

15:12.50

Paul

Yeah, yeah, he's got the death Star delts man. He's got the craziest doubts. But that's why he was talking about is because he's got. He's got crazy crazy doubts. But then he just doesn't have a chest. He's just like my chests shit. He's like you either have deals or you have a chest. Um.

15:13.81

christophknoll

No.

15:22.83

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

15:27.62

Paul

Really I mean I think it just comes down to proper training and a little bit of genetics and then um, just as far as posing goes just having properosing so you can you can have doubts and chest while you're posing it'll it'll look good. But. You're going to have one. That's more dominant the other and that's my chest. My chest is a lot more dominant than my adults and ah my chest is my is one of my strengths at this point So my titties My low boobies are one of my strengths. So yeah, that's that's how it works for me.

15:52.36

christophknoll

See That's the opposite for me because my doubts my my shoulders have always been my just that. That's my killer move right? there and so trying to develop my chest to a point of you know it's not going to be a dominant group for me. But.

16:04.16

Paul

Yeah. That.

16:12.25

christophknoll

Just getting it to the point of just being proportional with everything else. That's that's been what I'm grounding towards. Um yeah, exactly.

16:15.70

Paul

Yeah I think Proportionate proportions is everything is but well when it comes to bodybuild. Yeah, like when it comes to just a lifestyle and general living I Always tell guys I'm like dude just work on your your your chest and your arms. That's really it because. When you're when you're like I mean obviously work everything else. But I'm saying like if you want to have something that's a strength for you focus on chest and arms. That's not what's going to win you a show but that's what's going to get you get people to look at you in public. Um, that's the reality. Some guys would argue back I disagree. Um, I Think when you have a crazy chest especially when people are looking at you from the front from the back. Yeah, of course you want a little bit of a back. But um, when people were looking at you from the front and you got a big Chest. You got big arms. You're going to think that you're a massive dude and you could have the tiniest fucking legs ever. You could have no midsection. But because you have arms and a chest they're going to think that you're massive So. It's just the illusion. It's just how people see it.

17:13.95

christophknoll

Were you intending to do peck raises right? there while you were talking like you're yeah.

17:20.45

Paul

No, and so they that is completely like I've been able to do like like ah like Peck flexes for so long and I do I'm so often whenever I think that it's become like a tick for me now like it's like ah like a fidget.

17:36.23

christophknoll

Yeah, but.

17:37.97

Paul

Like I'm sitting here and I'm just like I could just like read I'll be reading I'll be doing this shit on the couch like it's just I know why I'm sure people see it in public too and I don't realize I'm doing it. It's just something that I do. Um.

17:43.84

christophknoll

Ah, your wife walks in it is just like what is going on ah middle of ah of a sales meeting and just asserting your dominance spike pack by bouncing. Um.

17:57.85

Paul

I just put my chest right in the camera and just just keep flexing them. Um now but thank god my work doesn't really do cameras we're all I t people so we don't really do cameras we don't do that shit? Um, but yes I don't know it's just ah, it's just a Fidget thing. Um, but yeah.

18:12.44

christophknoll

I'll say for me for ah for my now shift and in building chest because um, you know for the longest time I was just improve everything like that was my mindset now. It's like 90% improved chest and maintain everything else just to like get that there.

18:20.77

Paul

Yeah.

18:29.12

christophknoll

Um, I've been doing so many and I mean so many press movements like I think I Yeah I'm looking at it also from a strength perspective too because strengthwise my chest I mean obviously I'm coming off the hand injury. So my strength is down in general. Um.

18:33.12

Paul

I Was gonna say do the opposite. You should do more flies.

18:47.28

Paul

And.

18:48.99

christophknoll

But proportionately for the weight I'm moving for my other muscle groups. My chest is so far behind So the the a lot of press movements for me is to get that up and obviously you know bodybuilding are just trying to look good. Weight isn't our everything. Our everything is how we look and aesthetics and everything.

19:03.83

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

19:08.43

christophknoll

Um, but confidence wise the way I move is a big part of it and you know leaving the ego at the door is something that you know I I battle with but it's something that we recommend for everybody and while I try to do that. It still sucks to put the weight that I do for. Press or like bench press or grab the dumbos I do for inclines or regular press with the with the Dumbo. So I think my last chess day which was this week I did let me count em out probably 20 press move ah press sets um between everything I did.

19:33.44

Paul

Yep.

19:41.40

Paul

Okay, that's a lot. Yeah.

19:44.96

christophknoll

Which for me is ah it it is a lot and that was then with the fly movements on top of it that I normally do anyways and I ended my workout with a plate loaded ah chest fly and I put I started with the weight that is my starting weight for any other set. And I got to like 6 and I was like oh baby I'm toast so doing a lot of press movements depletes energy a lot lot faster. So now I'm thinking so now I think I'm going to do like every other week. So do my regular like definition chess day and then my heavy.

20:05.25

Paul

Death. For sure.

20:21.18

christophknoll

Ah, press day the other week and just keep bouncing back and forth to try and get the improvement on both fronts.

20:25.14

Paul

Yeah I would look at it like um because you said heavy definition day I would look at it like high volume high volume day versus high intensity day. Okay I was going to say because like even though I'm cutting and I'm depleted like I'm middle of depletion right now I haven't really changed the way I train.

20:32.15

christophknoll

Yeah, that's that's what I'm That's what I mean.

20:43.81

Paul

Um I train the exact same way I've always trained and I asked my coach I was like hey should I be training differently should I my assumption I know what will happen peak week as far as training goes, but my assumption was if I'm going to change training. It's going to be higher rep count lighter weight and not quite going to failure all the time. Um, and he said now we're not really gonna change anything until maybe ten days out and that's really what's gonna happen then is when you're depleted when you're so depleted and you're doing a watercut and all that shit. Um, at that point you don't want to inflame your muscles really like you can get a pump but you don't want to inflame or really like. Go to failure on anything so you you do really really high reps like 16 to 20 on pretty much every set and just do really low weight. Um and really focus on like your joint health and and and just good form and all of that to burn the calories versus actually like building muscle. Um, but yeah, so that's what I would do just high volume like.

21:27.10

christophknoll

Yeah.

21:40.84

Paul

Like um if it was me I probably do 12 to 16 reps on everything and then like your high intensity do like 8 to 12 That's what I would do. But that's just me.

21:49.30

christophknoll

Yeah, my my high intensity like the days where I'm trying to move a lot of weight I do like a warm upset for you know my warm upsets go between 12 to 15 just to get blood flowing. Um, and then I most times I'm fat I I hit failure around 6

21:58.36

Paul

Yeah.

22:05.39

christophknoll

Just because I'm pushing as hard as I fucking can excuse my friend.

22:08.90

Paul

Yeah I ah um, yeah, so I I ah when I go for well legs really I make I mean pretty much every time I train I go I try to get no less than 8 Um, but legs specifically I need to go.

22:26.10

Paul

I've been very very picky on what I do in the gym because I'm just trying to like prolong my my joints basically just as far as longevity goes and right now my focus isn't my legs. My legs are like as far as like definition goes for sure strength of mine I could use a lot more volume but that's not my That's not what I need right now. Um I don't need crazy big legs. They're good enough to be proportionate for the most part and you know I got quad veins now on the pretty um, pretty regularly and caffeines and all of that. So. It's not like I'm trying to get more defined there. So I'm just making sure that I get like 45 minutes to an hour of a solid like day where my knees don't hurt. My hips don't hurt after and I'm doing high volume on everything so like right now like really I think what? so here's my problem is my quads for They're not the big like I don't got big quads I got defined quads for sure. But like I don't got big quads. But they're very I have very very strong quads. Um I have no idea my pr on and anything but I respond best to squats um barbell squats are hack squats but it's very hard on my knees. Um, the alternative would be leg press and my problem is. Is that I put so much weight on the leg press I end up spending so much time doing that one movement the last time I I hit it I put ah just over eleven plates on each side. So and that was for like a solid like nine ten we're not talking like a couple here I'm not one of those like bullshit like oh my pure lug presses.

23:58.78

Paul

£1500 there is no pr ah like press you just you're just weak. Um, so I got like 8 or 9 wraps out of 11 plates and it just took so long to unrack all that weight and to walk around the gym to find those plates that like it just wasted fucking 20 minutes um I also did like 6 or 7 sets on like press though and I did toast my quads. It just takes so long where right now it's like leg day is like my day where I can actually relax more because I'm not doing cardio um afterwards and I'm not doing abs so I can get there. Hit a 45 minute to an hour like session go home and relax for a few hours rather than like an hour hou hour hou hour and a half before bed. Um, so that's my my focus is legs as of right now.

24:40.24

christophknoll

No legs I will say for legs and leg press specifically that's like the one day that I enjoy working out with not a group but 1 other person because it makes the the plate loading a lot easier. Um.

24:54.37

Paul

Yeah, if I had someone for sure.

24:57.20

christophknoll

You know Squats squats is different because you know I'm not going to the I'm not squatting the weight that requires a ton of time for plate loading but for leg press you're absolutely right? It does take a while and especially doing like if you want to do a drop set on a leg press like.

25:01.73

Paul

Are.

25:15.57

christophknoll

You just need that other person there.

25:15.83

Paul

Yeah, um, when it comes to squads I Love I mean we're like day in general I Love lifting with other people just for the motivation. Um, every time I've yeah every time I've lift I've thrown up from legs. It's because of lifting with other people.

25:27.13

christophknoll

Oxytocin my friend.

25:33.92

Paul

Um, so I would love to lift legs with other people. But then the other days on good I Want to be kind of by myself for the most part. Um, but yeah legs is um, not really um, hit him and I his schedule didn't really align with mine. Um.

25:38.50

christophknoll

Yeah, do you still do any work with chew.

25:52.95

Paul

So it got difficult when he first moved here it did because I was hitting the gym at like 3 3 30 and that's when he would hit the gym so it did kind of a line but then like so I think a couple of his friends moved out to Charlotte that he lives with now. So like he he kind of gravitated towards like his like essentially real friends like.

26:10.98

christophknoll

Like yeah.

26:12.66

Paul

Him and our like training partners kind of so he kind of gravitated towards like it's like it's like me training with him. But then you moved to Charlotte it's like I naturally kind of gravitate towards lifting with you because you're a friend of mine like we're actually like close so it's it's like I didn't take a knee to offense to it and that's totally fine and the way we train is very different.

26:22.51

christophknoll

Yeah, like.

26:31.51

Paul

Um, he he goes way more high intensity. Um than I do so Ah, it's more.. It's It's more difficult for um, it's just what his body responds to I asked my coaches like hey ah did did you write his training program or anything because it's way more intensity than the last time we lifted. And he said he just responds different lead to training now so they had to like adjust it and it's just all intensity. Um, but yeah, so like now yeah like that's that's how some people are but um, he I'm just so I'm a lot more volume for the most part depending on what I'm training. But.

26:56.31

christophknoll

Seven days a week all intensity

27:09.68

Paul

Um, he did get a new job. So it's possible that him and I will start training again I'm not sure um, a lot of people.

27:15.73

christophknoll

Is I was I was gonna say is he um I don't think he is but is he under your not yours, but your coaches regime as well. Oh he is oh okay I thought he wasn't for okay.

27:25.95

Paul

Yes, yeah, he's still with Tom my coach. Yep yeah yep, yep, um, yeah, so he's still he's still with Tom um I can't foresee him or I ever leaving Tom um, and it would take something drastic for me to ever. Leave ah tomcox. Um, if you guys are listening check out tomcox. Trust me, um, check out a social media. Um, so it would take a lot. It have to be like Chris aido or some shit to like approach me be like I want to train I want to I want to be your coach like that's it'd be something ridiculous like.

27:44.92

christophknoll

Her.

28:01.79

Paul

Like a legendary coach. You know, um milo saca like hey Paul Garney I want you to don't want to be your coach like that's the only thing that would take me away really is like someone ridiculous if for training for sure. Dude um, but.

28:11.15

christophknoll

Tom Platz goes hey Paul you want to be my client.

28:20.26

Paul

Yeah, so him and I Tom he he's a um chew we got a new job. He's on caught for Charlotte now. Um, he's he's back on the beat I don't know exactly when he he's getting on the beat. But it's I think he's going to become a detective again because he was a detective so he might him and I might start training again because he's done at like 5 5 30 every day. So it's possible and a lot of people from golds that I used to go to are leaving gold because of how busy it is um and a lot a few people are starting to come to the gym I go to which is cool I think that they deserve more popularity but also like fucking go away.

28:54.12

christophknoll

You you I was going to say you're at the door with us with a ah squat bar wielding it like a sword like stay up my gym.

29:02.62

Paul

It's like it's like bike I bike lock to fucking doors people from goals are like let me. Yeah, it's too busy. The goals I'm like fuck off I found it first. Yeah and yeah, yeah, know that's that's like that's where I'm am I'm just like fucking go away.

29:06.40

christophknoll

Ah, but Eric Andre Meme love yeah love you love me and.

29:21.18

Paul

Um, but yeah, and I'm just I'm good with golds there is a new gym opening up in south end called core 24 7 or some shit. Um, it's like they call it a concept gym. It's literally like um I look sick I might check it out. It's gonna be expensive though probably like eighty bucks a month. Um. And they build it. It's gonna be like it's like an influencer gym. It's got like dark lighting but the lighting is like led strips that are like modern and shit and like all the equipment's black. So it's like it's really good lighting. Um, they have a couple locations in South Carolina and they're open up 1 in Charlotte. Um.

29:47.69

christophknoll

Only.

29:58.69

Paul

And it's like they got like different color to leds throughout the gym too like pink and green and red and shit so like the lighting is dope. Um, but I don't know how good the equipment's going to be um so we'll see but it's that'll be interesting.

30:03.60

christophknoll

Ah.

30:11.61

christophknoll

We are We were This is only related because of the lighting conversation. But we I went out to a ah late dinner and they drank obviously but I didn't um at the colonial hotel. Do you remember that from your days and gardener and ah.

30:21.77

Paul

Um, good yeah of course.

30:27.93

christophknoll

So we were there late last night we're talking like eleven thirty and we're on our way out and there's this big mirror and you know of course I look and there's perfect soft overhead lighting. So I'm I'm at the front of the group and I just stop and I hit a side chest and the person that's nearest to me was like what.

30:37.35

Paul

Oh gosh.

30:47.30

christophknoll

Is he doing because I don't you know they know know I work out but they don't know like the extent of it because I don't really share that with them and they were just like what is this kid doing.

30:49.47

Paul

Um, go mind me. Yeah.

30:56.44

Paul

Yeah, posing is so weird to looking to to normal people like to people who don't who don't participate in training or bodybuilding posing looks so weird. So mean I get and we were like what the hell is that is like I know and I know it looks weird. It is a very weird stance but it makes sense.

31:00.11

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:07.60

christophknoll

Yeah, well like when when someone says like for example, when I teach and 1 of my students goes hey can you flex I know that they're talking about like a front double or something like that.

31:22.87

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

31:24.74

christophknoll

And I call it a front double but to them. It's called do the flex but how I want to respond is well when they when they say do the flex I want to respond pick a pose like like you want a lat spread when you want.

31:27.33

Paul

Yeah, you the roar.

31:35.50

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no I yeah know I completely understand that. Um it's and it's people saying that is just like we Iss just Weird. It's like it's like going up to Comedian and be like dude told me a joke. It's like I don't. Stay the time or place bro like this same this ain't it. Um, but that's just how people be do theo von just being himself is enough. Yeah bro he is I was watching a clip the other day and then we'll continue on our conversation but I was watching a clip and he was just like.

31:56.83

christophknoll

Unless your name is Theovan because every because I know that's that's what I mean everything he says is.

32:13.39

Paul

He's like when you pet a dog and that dog don't walk away my God Ah yeah, yeah, he's like when you pet a dog and they don't walk away. Oh my God Yeah I love that Yeah praise God Baby makes you want to.

32:19.35

christophknoll

It's different. Yeah.

32:28.29

christophknoll

I'm pretty job baby.

32:32.36

Paul

But kick a fat kid and kmar. You know what I'm saying Um, but yeah, so to update kind of where I'm at on top of the training is like um where I mean really, we've been kind of depleted for a couple weeks now. Um, and I'm really starting to believe.

32:33.73

christophknoll

Ah Praise God But but.

32:51.59

Paul

Myself I think um, when I first started the cut for the show and you know I was talking about it here and all that um I didn't really see it yet. You know because I was I had so much fat and um I didn't think I was going to be able to lose it in time especially because we like pushed really hard December last year with Keto and. Made like no progress. So I'm like I just don't know man I'm just I'm just like I just don't see it I just we're so far like we're so close like five weeks out like I want to be diced already for the most part like I want to be focusing on specific. Like spots of fat that I'm trying to work on. You know, accentuate a back day over a chest day to lose the fat there if I could like something like that at five weeks versus like trying to lose fat all over but the thing is is like when you're depleted and you're doing more and more cardio less and less food.

33:30.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

33:43.31

Paul

Still training the same you got anabolics on your side to assist with recovery. Um the results is truly exponential. Um, every day you look better than the day before I'm genuinely making gains every single day now and I see more and more of my abs every day more and more veins every single day. Um, and like I said it's exponential. So it's like like week like let's say I have like six weeks like really like we were in prep for like six weeks by the time we hit the show um week one I probably make as much progress as like the last. Like the first two days of week six you know it's like it's exponential. You make more and more progress each day. Um, so like looking back like the photo I sent you three weeks of progress and about like £4 of fat lost over about three weeks but it looks a lot more than that and.

34:36.33

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

34:37.56

Paul

This week I've already lost about £3 this week too so like I'm exponentially getting closer and closer. Um, so like that's really interesting to see because I can really start I can truly see myself actually stepping on stage now and I can see my frame like I'm really actually starting to see my frame I've never been like I've never been this lean before. Ah, my leanest ever was a couple years ago um after my it was towards the end of my first cycle. Um, it was Anna Varn test um and at the time it was pretty high test I think I got up to like six hundred megs at one point it was pretty high um and then I think it was. 25 megs of an ofvar a day I think I forget how much it was or maybe it was 50 every other day I forget but um, no anovvar is oral so testosterone is pending NOfvar is oral. Um.

35:21.70

christophknoll

Um, is that all pen or is that ah through okay.

35:30.18

Paul

And obviously I was taking um a riadeex at the time which is an ai I take aromus and now my bodyer responds much better to a romus and than a riedex. Um, they're both a eyes and it just helps lower estrogen. But um, that is my leanest ever. But now I'm like.

35:48.94

Paul

Over probably 10 pounds heavier than I was then and I look leaner than I did then so like I always compare my leanus to that year's Florida trip because that was the end of my cycle we planned on having a 6 pack for Florida which we did. But. I'm at the point now where my Florida trip coming up this week and then my show add to that I'm already past where I was in Florida and then the other thing too is that when I was in Florida I looked better and better because I was resting like the entire time. All we did was lounge on the beach besides me training and going to the din like dinner and shit so we lounge on the beach and I got tons of vitamin d. You know, sweating a ton. So like I got even leaner because I was giving my body the the rest and the vitamin d that it needed so I know that when I'm in Florida I'm depleted I'm not eating out food at all I'm training with cardio and all of that I know the week in Florida I'm showing up to Florida and coming home to Florida going to have a completely different look. So I am looking forward to that. Um, and on top of that we're also doing all of this with a decent amount of food I'm still having a decent amount of card carbs I'm not even close to keto. Um, not even close I'm probably having like one hundred grams of carbs right now which is great. Um, and also not like a shit ton of cardio either. Um. I'm only doing 40 minutes a day 5 times a week. So it's not like I'm doing a shit ton of cardio. It's like an hour in the morning an hour after training you know it's like 40 minutes is very doable and I actually look forward to cardio because I get to read for 40 minutes which we've talked about I've talked about reading we talked about reading during cardio last last week but like.

37:23.98

Paul

When you have a really good book like I'm reading a really really good book right now. Um I look forward to cardio if you guys are listening check out flowers for Algernon phenomenal book. Very very very good emotional character. Um, it's character driven is not quite super sci-fi like I'm used to um, but. So that makes it easier too and then like the gym I go to allows for shirtless training. So I genuinely can see the progress as I train and it's fucking so hyped dude I can't even explain it like I was hitting shoulders on Wednesday and I had like I had to text my coach because I was so hyped. I had a spider web going across my left Peck like it was like so much veins was coming out of my chest. Um and my traps um it was crazy literally like it was just it was so much veins. Yeah for real I wish I had that but um.

38:07.80

christophknoll

Joe Aesthetic who her alien gains.

38:17.98

Paul

Yeah, my vascularity of my chest is pretty strong my arms I wish my arms had more vascularity I just don't think I have very thick veins in my arms but my chest has a lot of vascularity in my calves I basically I almost have like viscosis veins in my calves like I'm like literally like I'm going to be Nick Walker like my calves are going to look like Nick Walker's calves like even when I was at my. Heaviest and fattest like my calves still had crazy veins. It's just they've always been lean I don't know why? Yeah, no, 1 ne's capsule ever look like your is stuff. Let's be honest.

38:42.75

christophknoll

And 1 day Nick Walker's calves will look like mine. So. So so you can you can you can strive for Nick Walker but the goal should be striving for me.

38:56.23

Paul

I I don't strive for Nick Walker I fucking oh I'm just saying my my veins are gonna end up looking like his he has vscosis vins in his calves and my veins are Goingnna end up looking like that they're getting more and more obvious. Um, so and here's the other thing too. Um is that the the thing with with There's a lot of like um, common misconceptions when it comes to prep. Um, especially when it comes to like the the small nitty gritty stuff of food as well as the anabolic side. So for the food side. Um I've just kind of been cooking my food the same way I always have. Um, you know, 0 sugar seasonings kind of staying away from sauces for the most part beside's like hot sauces stuff like that. Um, but this week my coach sent me a question. He was like hey how much salt are you having every day I was like. I don't really add too much salt I was like I tried not to add too much salt to my foods I was like um I add kosher salt to my steak to balance out the Montreal seasoning I have because it's very peppery so I balance it out with that I put some salt on um, my eggs at night pink and lane salt on my eggs at night. Um. And that's pretty much it as far as added salt goes and he said all right I want you to take out. Ah any added salt and add in a quarter teaspoon with your first meal pre-workout postworkout and your final meal. So a quarter a quarter teaspoon of pink himmalayan salt um.

40:25.17

Paul

With those 4 meals so I ended up with a teaspoon of salt and he said because you should be drinking ton of water right now we need to keep your sodium up but a healthy sodium. We shouldn't be having like bad sodium kosher salt is not the best salt. It's it's okay, it's not table salt. Um, but.

40:39.20

christophknoll

Pink Himalayan Sea salt

40:43.65

Paul

Well seesa and p himane are completely different. Um sea salt is obviously derived from the sea. It's dried out from the ocean but pink himaana is mined you mine it from mountains I think it's typically in Nepal or in India or some shit. Um, it's extremely cheap to mine it. But.

40:51.36

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

40:59.78

Paul

Pink and Layan Salt is the shit it tastes so good. Um, so basically.

41:00.35

christophknoll

I Think we made a joke about I think we made a joke about miners stealing the the pink salt as they mine it like oh no, we have to watch out for for people taking pink salt and taking it with them. There's there's just.

41:12.62

Paul

Oh gosh. Yeah yeah, for real they'd they'd make like a dollar off like £30 of it you like eat his chicken and rice. You just like who but in his pocket. He's like I'm out of here.

41:19.95

christophknoll

There's just a bodybuilder in there who's taken as he goes.

41:28.80

Paul

Fucking I saw this video Russ his new the Russ the the music artist he has a um he he had. He did a house tour of his house and he has a gigantic room of just himalaan salt. It's just the walls are all salt I think the chairs are salt. Everything's salt and I'm like dude that cannot be good for you.

41:38.10

christophknoll

Jesus.

41:46.12

Paul

Like I'm pretty sure you're not like I understand like a Himalayan Salt lamp or something that kind of like like it's kind of like bath salts. It kind of just like soothes your skin but like dude, that's so overwhelming the amount of salt in that room like that cannot be good for you and he said he loves it. He sits in there for like an hour a day I'm like that's ridiculous.

41:58.86

christophknoll

Yeah, he has to take a bath with moisturizer just to balance out his skin being so dry.

42:06.56

Paul

Oh dude like just dries in the fuck out I'm sure. But um, yes, we added in that salt and it's actually drastically improved my um, my blood flow. My pumps have been fucking nuts at the gym. Um I know I know that adding salt to like your pre-work out um adds a lot of pump. Um, but it just it was it was night and day just having more salt my system and I didn't realize how little amount of salt I was getting um the salt a lot of the thought I was getting was kind of from my seasonings but he said this this do saltless seasonings. Um, so like muster and saltless seasonings hot sauce stuff like that take out anything that has like really added salt to it. Um, and then to add the Pinkham Lane salt so I just when I when I do the pre-workout Himalae Salt I um I basically dry scoop the salt and then drink my pre-work out. Um that way because pink himmmalane's salt's a bitch to dissolve within water. So I just make sure I get the full.

42:55.59

christophknoll

Are.

43:00.13

Paul

Full amount in my mouth and then I just drink my pre work outut and I just don't breathe in between so I don't taste a crazy amount of salt and by the time I drink my preric out and then drink some water afterwards I don't taste this all So that's my strategy bro. It's like the tiniest little fucking scoop of pink and lis all like good.

43:12.56

christophknoll

He's dry scooping his pre-workout.

43:19.60

Paul

It's like it's like ah like a I don't even know but to compare it to um, but.

43:22.93

christophknoll

I think the the first time I put pink salt in my in my pre-workout I put a like but like a half tablespoon or something like that like just a minute new amount. Ah well, okay, whatever. Yeah yeah, oh sorry, yeah yeah teaspoon that's.

43:31.26

Paul

That's a shit ton or or like a half teaspoon I was going to say have tablespoon is a shit ton half teaspoon is have teaspoons. Okay, yeah, that's that's more normal. Oh that's way too much.

43:40.10

christophknoll

Yeah, sorry I got I got it mixed up. Ah um, but I remember putting it in and like this was the first time I had ever put it in pre-workout I hated it did the taste was ruined. It was like drinking it only because I have to.

43:49.82

Paul

Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's why I just driest scoop and I don't breathe um with drinking my pric out I almost never breathe when I drink my Purica anyways because most pre cuts taste like shit to me. They're either overpowering in the flavor or the flavor just tastes terrible. Um, so I almost never like breathe like you know, like if you hold if you clog your nose. You can almost never taste anything. It's like that if you just if you just hold your breath drink and then I just kind of like literally do like a chaser of water I like just drink extra water to wash it down and then then I breathe and I'm fine.

44:06.84

christophknoll

The.

44:24.75

Paul

Um, but yeah, so that's that's the that's what's changed this week and then just a little bit of added cardio I mean between today and yesterday we added cardio 5 minutes a day. So now. It's 40 minutes versus 35 and then we made the salt change between today and Wednesday I think I've lost like about a pound and a half um of mainly fat. So. Getting lot more defined which is great. Um, and like I said really starting to see my frame I've never really been able to see like what actually physically look like as far as like the muscle I built and I had the conversation with my coach yesterday because I sent him the three-week progress and I was like I was like I didn't I truly didn't.

44:47.60

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

45:01.00

Paul

Like I was like I trusted you in the process in the beginning because I knew that you saw something that I didn't um I didn't believe in myself in the beginning. But now I'm starting to see it I'm starting to believe myself now and um, like we just he's just like dude he's like. We've put way too much effort the past two and a half years to really like not show up as a true contender. He's like your true contender when we show up, we just really just need to lock in your condition and that's all we have to do like I have the size I have the frame I just we just need to get the conditioning down. Um, we just yeah, it's just.

45:32.89

christophknoll

It's all the mindset you gotta have the Killer mindset. Yeah.

45:36.40

Paul

Yeah, so that's that's kind of where we're at I'm just showing up for that and um I was like of course I want to win overall like that's my goal but really at the end of the day I just want to show up the best I possibly can like I want to lose all the stubborn fat that I have I want to see my actual frame want to come in as best I could um I think my biggest competition is gonna be. My coach's other client grained that might not be the reality I might show up and somebody might be like fucking crazy looking and prepping for a national show for a pro cardd or something but like for me I'm really shooting for the overall now that I'm doing true novice. So that's another update too is I'm doing true novice and men's open class d for men's physique. True novice. You can only do the first time you compete which we you and I talked about but um, you can only do that. The first time you compete. So um, he said just do both because it'll give you more stage time and it's the only time I could do it. You know so it's the best time to do it. Ah, men's physique like men's open so like it's it's the open.

46:26.32

christophknoll

Did you say men's open. Ah oh okay, okay I was I was gonna say that's that's if you're doing like men's open like just full on open. That's.

46:33.40

Paul

Open division of men's physique. So it's men's physique open. Yeah.

46:42.50

christophknoll

Opposite of what you've been talking Coach Coach just drops that on you. Ah.

46:43.46

Paul

No, no, no, no, no no I would never step on men's open stage I don't have the size for it. Um, the only thing I could potentially like even try is classic but I just don't have the size for it yet. Um.

46:53.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

46:56.92

Paul

Just really don't like I know if I stepped on stage I but I wouldn't get overall I'd maybe get like top 3 of my class. Maybe I just don't have the size um, especially my legs I would need to grow a lot more legs. Um, but yeah, so that's that's really the recent most recent update tomorrow I'm driving out to my coaches gym. Um, that he trains at um, he lives in middle nowhere North Carolina it's about an hour and a half drives I'm going to drive out to him tomorrow um to work on transitions. Um, it's a regional show. They're not going to care too much about transitions. I mean if you've ever been to regional show. You know what? exactly? so.

47:28.70

christophknoll

But but better have it locked in.

47:33.89

Paul

I told them I was like look I know I'm sure that regional shows they don't really care about transitions transitions guys for any pose is just moving from one post to the next and men's physique. There's only 2 poses so might as well get the transition locked in and good at least natural looking I don't want to I don't want to stumble or look nervous or anything like that I want to look. Fluid with my motions. So um, that's what we're going to work on tomorrow. So we'm gonna drive out there pose with him maybe for a half hour which is like basically fucking its own cardio and then drive back? Um, but yeah, so that's the plan tomorrow and then I got floridad on Thursday as far as. Like any sort of anabolic changes. Everything's been the same so far. Um, no changes there no increases. No decreases. Um, the only plan right now I asked him I said hey I got to order some more shit soon. Um I said is there anything you want me to get on top of what I'm getting and he said um, he said just get some winds straw for. Um, peak week. So probably what's going to end up happening is peak week. We'll end up pulling the master on um, which is dt and replace it with windstraw which is another dht. Um, so we're probably going to do that peak week. Um, and we'll see what we do with my tests and my trend. It's possible. We end up pulling both of those completely I mean I know a couple pros. Um, that have done almost nothing going into a show like basically just trend or just test like just basic shit going into a show like as far as like overall number of compounds. Um going into a show. So.

49:00.55

christophknoll

Yeah, you know not do ball test just just show your normal stuff.

49:05.55

Paul

Just your basic stuff deal test Decca um, yeah, so that's the plan right now we're gonna play it by ear obviously um, the peak week. Also we're gonna be doing a watercut which I've already done a watercut. We tested a water cut to see how my body responded I think I lost £8 or something when I did it. Um, last it's we take expel which is an over the counter you can get out a vitamin shop or Gnc it's ah ah diuretic so we do three gallons on Sunday of water two and a half on Monday two tuesday um one and a half wednesday one gallon Thursday half a gallon on friday and then just maybe sips of water on saturday which is the show date. Um, and you're taking a diuretic the whole time. So basically what you're doing is you're you're teaching your body hey we're taking in a shit ton of water right now I need you to flush it all out like you go pee literally every like 15 minutes so you're also taking a diuretic which will help with that so you keep flushing keep flushing keep flushing and then you keep decreasing the amount of water. So even when you have a half gallon in your system. You're still peeing as much as normal as much as you have been with the shit ton of water so you're just expelling all of the water out of your body. It's pulling it out of your fat cells. Pulling it out of like a lot of your blood is pulling out of your your muscles. Its just pulling all the water out. Um, so that's what that that's that's how the water cut's goingnna work so peak week's gonna suck balls.

50:30.28

Paul

Um, I know that so peak week sucks for everybody. It's going to. It's going to be suffering but like if somebody says you're suffering at three weeks out like to me they're like oh dude that sounds like suffering I'd be like dude fucking suck it up dude like this should this is light work bro like this ain't hard this really ain't that bad if you're not motivated enough to like enjoy this process.

50:42.92

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

50:48.92

christophknoll

Well, especially at that point too like if you've put in that much work like you You can't complain.

50:49.39

Paul

Then just don't even bother. Um, off. Yeah, two and a half years two and a half years of development muscle building posing work like literally everything except for stepping on stage like this is this is just this just affirms everything I've been doing. Um, but yeah, it's really It's really not that hard and the thing I also keep in mind too which has helped me drastically is that when you're losing weight when you're hungry. That's actually when you're losing the fat. So like when I'm hungry between meals and my stomach's growling I'm like. I don't want food I don't want food this is when I'm losing the fat this is what I need to keep in mind stay stop. Don't go eat cucumbers or bullshit like just sit and fucking suck it up because this is when I'm gonna lose the fat. Um I'm hungry in the middle of the night sometimes and like go back to sleep this is when I lose the fat so that's what you gotta keep in mind is that. When you're hungry. That's when your body's actually losing weight. That's when your body's losing the fat because it's going to use your fat as energy. So um, that's what you got to keep in mind people who get hungry who have been used to bulking for so long when they get hungry during a cut. They go eat something. You know you know chips or. Fucking vegetables. Whatever it is but like you're supposed to be hungry. That's the point. Um, so that's what I got to keep in mind as I you know, go through my day and obviously there's ways around it like you know I have you know trend kind of helps with appetite suppression. Um, my adderall for my add helps with the appetite suppression.

52:07.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

52:25.27

Paul

So All of that kind of assists Coffee helps a lot water helps a lot energy drinks helps a lot so like stuff like that is what kind of helps me get through the day so you got to find what works for you? Um I know plenty of people who chew a lot of gum when they're cutting um that helps them not for me. Ah Gum actually makes me more hungry typically. Um, but it just depends on the person so you just got to suck it up and do it really at the end of the day. That's what matters and that's that's what we've been doing um but to kind of yeah I was going to say to kind of add to what I was saying about Winstraw. Um, recently? yeah, So recently.

52:48.82

christophknoll

Yep.

52:52.38

christophknoll

I don't have I don't have a good transition there you go there. We go.

53:02.74

Paul

Um, Tom Platz and arnold kind of came out recently and was talking about their old steroid cycles. Um, everything that they talk about now Ronnie any of the golden era but like literally anybody who's retired when it comes to bodybuilding. You need to take what they say with a grain of salt because even any current bodybuilders. You need to take it with a grain of salt because they're not going to tell to a lot of them. Especially if you're competing on the olympia stage or even pro for that matter. They're probably not going to tell 100% the truth um, especially golden era bodybuilders Arnold is one of them. He's still. And his mind trying to be his competitors like he's like like if you're looking back and you're like oh I won 7 olympias would you rather say oh I took more than everybody else or took less. You'd want to say I took less because then it sounds like you had the better genetics. You had the better talent for it. So.

53:52.33

christophknoll

Yep.

53:56.84

christophknoll

And same with Tom Platz having you know the quads of of Jesus Christ himself yeah

53:58.98

Paul

You know.

54:04.30

Paul

Yeah, literally so like you you got to take it with a grain of salt because chances are they're not telling the full truth but Arnold did say like oh this is what I was taking when I was a bodybuilder um he he had a he had a um interview with men's health that he talked about it so he was saying. During his prime his main anabolics was testosterone and dola hundred megs a week of test and 3 dianobo a day which is fifteen Milligrams um so that um is bullshit let's just say that that's just bullshit. There's no way he was taking less. That's not even like that's like borderline. Not even t r t dose like hundred Milligrams is like on the lower side of t r t dos um, well as far as penning goes. It's probably about right for t r t but like if you compare it to t r t of like a bodybuilder like my t r t dos. My cruise does is one hundred migs hundred fifty migs sorry 150 makes a test a week and he's saying that in his prime in his biggest he ever was at like 250 plus pounds. He's taken a hundred megs of test a week granted d ball I'm pretty sure is a testo derivative anyways. But like hundred migs. Yeah, my fucking ass bro. And then on top of that he said fifteen megs a dianaba a day that's three pills. Dude there's no shot in fucking hell that's what you were taking considering one they they knew nothing about anabolic back then anabolics were completely legal in America in the 70 s you can go to a doctor and fucking get it.

55:36.72

Paul

Um, they knew nothing about it doctors just throughout prescriptions that goes nothing. They had no idea what the hell they were doing um, they were telling people to to pin. Um, once every two weeks testosterone they're telling them to inject testosterone once every two weeks that's how stupid we were when it came to seoids back then we had no idea.

55:38.77

christophknoll

Yeah.

55:54.98

Paul

Testosterone d balld da got everything was so new. We had no idea um such a stupid thing to be like once once every two weeks dude that'll just fuck your whole system. Um, you'd have to have the longest possible fucking ether for testosterone to like be like I feel normal at the end of my two weeks versus the start of my two weeks like it just wouldn't work and on top of that dball Fifteen Milligrams a day I just don't buy it because I mean he could have been I think he was taken more but also like um I wonder if there's more to it than that because they ate basically whatever they wanted. They ate pretty much whatever they went out to breakfast every morning after training got steakn shit and he was just like oh when I was cutting I just ate less carbs like that's all he did and like they ate whatever they want like it. It just did it doesn't really check out. Granted their their conditioning back then isn't what it is today. And there's their frames or size. Everything isn't what it is today arnold in his prime would not be able to compete nowadays. He's not even classic level like seabum is arguably bigger than arnold was um, there's a video or photo I saw of seabum and arnold both doing. Ah I think was a front double and Seebo look bigger. Um, so I mean I don't even know if Arnold could even compete in classic today I mean he probably could Jeanette like if he sir if he was in his prime right now. He'd probably be fucking next level but his physique then wouldn't compete with the physiques now. Um, so yeah, so that cycle just doesn't make any sense.

57:25.60

christophknoll

Ah.

57:28.10

Paul

And again I think he was just kind of downplaying what he was taking but also what's funny is that um I think it was is either him or Tom Plas that talked about the price of anabolics back then dude they were so cheap. Um I think it was he was saying a vial. But usually when people say a vial they mean telling ten milliliters um was like of of test was like $5 dude. Are you shitting me like the amount of money I would have saved by now if of ah if 10 milliliters of tests was just $5 a ten milliliters right now I just bought test prop.

57:55.51

christophknoll

Ah.

58:04.16

Paul

10 millitter for fifty bucks like the amount of money I would have saved granted with inflation is probably like $20 in today's money or whatever but like that's super cheap and then deball a hundred pills was $8 you get. Ah you get a bottle and 100 pills was $8

58:15.55

christophknoll

Jesus.

58:21.43

Paul

Ah, hundred pills now I could probably get for like like 130 to one hundred fifty bucks or more like that's what I'd end up paying. It's crazy like the amount of money that they they didn't have to spend back then um and it was completely legal like you didn't have to worry about people.

58:38.15

Paul

Arresting you or anything like that for it or coming after you because it was legal so that I don't know I just kind of call bullshit on it I think he was taking more um and they were like oh there is I was watching more place more dates video on it and he was saying that like during their cuts. They would just take like 1 more d ball pill. Like that's all they would do because they didn't the knowledge wasn't there. There was no knowledge about anabolics back then so they're like oh we just we just took five dba instead of 4 or whatever. So it's just like yeah my ass dude my my ass um dbaw just puts on so much water I can't I can't see it being a cutting agent. Um.

59:15.32

christophknoll

Well I'm I'm looking at an article here about you know talking about Arnold's usage and it's an interview between Rick I'm gonna mispronounce itreason drasen um, and Steve Davis talking about steroids back in the in the golden era and they don't call out arnold but they say ah.

59:17.57

Paul

So.

59:32.98

Paul

yeah and austrian yeah I've seen that? Yeah yeah, they that's what they would do to is they wouldn't they'd pin their test just once a week um

59:35.27

christophknoll

That in the and Austrian yeah there is There is a a certain Austrian was taking for D ball a day and a shot a week. Yeah.

59:49.17

Paul

But yeah I did see that interview as well. Um, he's unfortunately no longer with us rest in peace. Um I think you recently died actually um I could be wrong, but um, yeah, he it was just there's a lot of speculation on what they were taking back then um you know social media wasn't really a thing they didn't really talk about it. It wasn't something that they wanted to bring up because they just wanted to be like yeah this is how I look um so it was just it was weird because also the other thing too with a lot of these bodybuilder. You'll be surprised with how little bodybuilders know what the fuck they're what the fuck they're taking what they're doing because. They just don't need to especially if you're on the pro stage. You just have like amazing genetics. They don't understand how anything works they don't need to It's their body just responds to it right? right? And that's kind of what Derek was talking about in his arnold video. She's like he's like look these guys.

01:00:33.95

christophknoll

And you have and you have a guy that you pay to do do all the hard thinking for you.

01:00:48.20

Paul

Just do what their coach tells them to do you know they pin to the line that their coach told them to they take this meant number of pills that their coach told that they don't even know really what they're taking they could even name it probably and this is a lot of pro bodybuilders and same with the foods and with the training like none of it like makes sense to them. They just do what they're told and it just works for them. Um. Which is like obviously like upsetting because like I have the genetics at least to compete but like I don't have the genetics to be like it doesn't matter what I do it works you know, ah that you know so it's like it's just it's so dumb like why would you not want to know how something works. Um and why would you not want to know what the fuck you're taking like. I want to know what the hell I'm taking um great my coach doesn't show me how to pin or anything like that you know, kind of do that on my own. He just told me what to take but um, it's just it's just mindb blowing to me. Um, the only thing you got to take into account with these golden arrow bodybuilders and talk about their cycles is that they're talking about cycles from like literally fifty years ago like Arnold was in his prime in the 70 s like early 70 s like that's fifty years ago he's talking about so like does he quite remember exactly what he was taking probably not like you've been off it for so long like if you was off it for like let's say 40 years do you really remember what your blast was.

01:02:02.34

christophknoll

Yeah, that's true.

01:02:04.11

Paul

Like I probably would forget like after 40 years I probably would forget you know, um, you'd be like I think I was in this ballpark. But that's about it. So like that's why it's like you know this guy was taking this this guy was taking this and it's just yeah.

01:02:13.83

christophknoll

Unless you have like really so like detailed scripted logs of what you were doing it. It would be a notebook if anything.

01:02:21.70

Paul

Yeah, which technology then obviously doesn't really promote that it was yeah literally just like a notebook that somehow survived the the test of time nowadays like I can go back. Ah ha.

01:02:32.12

christophknoll

Ah, the test of time. Ah.

01:02:36.53

Paul

Um I can go back in my whatsapp or my email and see all the cycles I everook all the meal plans I ever had like everything that I've had with my coach since the beginning. Um, it's just all there. You know it's all saved. It's all logged. Not on purpose. It's just never deleted so I could go back and see I can go back and see what I look like June of 2021 which is what I did recently? um because I sent away into him at that time and my whatsapp still shows that. So um, you know technology is very different. Um and also the anabolics are very different too. Right? now is a unique time with anabolics because 1 the technology is so high up there now and we're getting crazy and crazy or granted trend is like the newest one on the market as far as like like actually good steroids goes um like there's been other ones Likete Ter castro and and shit but like trend is the newest one that's actually like used. Um, and we don't really know too too much about trend. We kind of know about it. We know what it's for and how it works and all of that but we don't really know like the very long-term side effects. Um and on top. So like the the technology is crazy but also now within the community. Um, if you're not part of the anabolic side of things early like mid 2000 s to like early 2010 s there was not a lot of vetting when it came to sources of anabolics. Um, it was just you kind of just hope for the best. Um and you you could have been pinning.

01:04:05.69

Paul

I'm pure shit. You could been pinning completely different shit. You had no idea what the hell you're taking you just trusted this guy you know whoever it was really at the time was probably just like a Jim bro that you know you just trusted that what you were taking was what he says it is now. Yeah, basically but now there's forums and there's groups and there's.

01:04:16.54

christophknoll

Bro science.

01:04:25.32

Paul

Organizations essentially that like vet these people. Um I'm a part of a Facebook group you have to like apply to join or whatever and they vet different. Um steroid like anabolic dealers and one of the dealers I go to? Um. Has been vetted through testing independent testing so people will get stuff from them and they'll send it off to a lab and see what's actually in it and they've been vetted pretty well another dealer I go to I know it's good because he has a lot of pfiser shit. Um. As he ends with Pfizer but I know it's good because I can't give his email or any information to other people. It's only coaches. He's designated to do that with I'm not going to say who but he'll be like this coach right here you can give it to your clients. You can give my email to your clients. I can work with your clients but your clients cannot give my information to anybody because that shit yeah that shit will spread like wildfire. Um, but this dude you could tell like he's been through shit because he's kind of a dick when it comes to emailing like he's like like his email will say like.

01:05:25.80

christophknoll

Which makes sense.

01:05:39.25

Paul

If you don't give me your address payment info screenshots. Whatever I'm not shipping shit out. He's like you need to do exactly what I say in every single email or else I'm gonna blacklist you like that's basically what he said in the intro email I said hey cut some pricing whatever like. It's wild like he'll blacklist you the second he suspects anything which makes sense. Um, but it's wild like that's how I know I'm like okay this guy's legit because my other guy anybody can essentially go to him and order shit but like I know that he's been vetted. So like it's fine by me but like this guy. He's like he don't fuck around so I know that he's legit. Um, so like that's interesting. Um, but like back you know 10 15 past like like ten years ago and then up to about fifteen twenty years ago the vetting just wasn't there. It was just bro science bros in the gym. So basic forums on the internet stuff like that. That like you could just find information on and or find dealers and it just you have no idea what the fuck you were getting um but like now it's a different world where it's a different world where we live in now which is great. Um, it's pretty awesome, but it's also fucking scary too because the technology has come such a long way. Um. It's like it's like any drug weed is a whole fucking different world now than it was forty years ago um so like for the like so like the d ball back in Arnold's era might be more pure than it is today because he's getting it from a doctor but it might.

01:07:07.63

Paul

Be also like not as efficient or something like the sourcing might not be 100 % like you don't we don't know how the d ball then would compare to the d ball now and if we even had d ball from back then we don't know it wouldn't last to today. It be expired like it wouldn't do anything the active ingredients would no longer be active. So. Um, it's like that scene with ah fucking Leonardocaprio with the quayludes the lemons. It's like that. It's like like okay so in wolf of wall street. Um, they take a lot of quayludes and they took these lemons as ah, ah, it's this brand. Basically um, they were saving these quailudes for a special occasion.

01:07:31.37

christophknoll

Yeah, I'm not familiar.

01:07:45.52

Paul

Um, and they took way too many of them because it took forever for their body to process it. Yeah, they yeah and he had like the the parapeplegic episode or whatever like the parapeplegic like so phase of the drug but like that's how it would be like what you wouldn't.

01:07:47.39

christophknoll

Oh oh oh yeah, no that and then the dancing scene. Okay I got you.

01:08:02.40

christophknoll

Yep.

01:08:04.33

Paul

Really see much results probably from it. Ah, just because it's been so long. It's probably expired same with the test. It just wouldn't it would it. There's no way that that test is safe nowadays. But um, yeah, so that's another thing you got to take into account too is's just technology has come a long way. Um, and knowledge has come a long way too. There's been a lot of studies. There's there's been a lot of. A lot more broscience. Um, since the 70 s as well. Which take with a bucket of salt. Not just a grain of salt a bucket of salt. Um, but like that can provide some more information different forms. All that shit. So that's another thing to keep into account. Um. And again they wanted to they will probably tell say less than what they were taking because they're still competing in their mind. They still want to be like oh I did better with less than these guys. Yeah, no, he he wouldn't last a fucking day. He'd have a heart attack. Um.

01:08:51.65

christophknoll

Arnold at 70 whatever comes out of retirement and competes.

01:09:00.59

Paul

But Tom Platz is another one who came out relatively recently this interview right here was October last year. So that's pretty recent and he was saying that um, he's like oh during the interview. He's like you're not going to believe me when I say this but I took twenty Milligrams of winsrall a day. Um, ah the 1 shot one shot a deca a hundred mil which was one hundred Milligrams and that was his life's drug cycle. So like that's that's what he would take constantly which I fucking call bullshit.

01:09:19.95

christophknoll

And then a shot at deca.

01:09:33.52

Paul

1 we all know even back then they knew Wins Straw was a cutting agent wins straw is for prep and even then wins straws for the last like few weeks of prep. It's not something you take consistently deca I can understand deca is nandroone is um, it was originally made as a t r t option. Um, instead of testosterone that's where deca derived from so like I can understand running deca pretty pretty frequently a lot of ah lot of guys respond well to Decca but don't respond well to test so there is that? Um, so like that makes sense but winsraw or stnoolol depending on. However, you want to call it winnie winsrawl ozzolol um Twenty Milligrams a day just it doesn't it doesn't really check out. Um, and we see me look up a typical cycle um of wins straw. Let me see I'm not too familiar with winshaw just because as far as like common. Cycles because I've never taken it myself I will be so when bodybuilders. So. Okay so typical bodybuilder cycle starts at about Twenty Five megs a day and goes up to maybe about one hundred megs at most but the sweet spot for most guys is around 50 megs of wind straw. Um, when you're prepping for a show so he was saying he was taking twenty Milligrams a day which is on the very low side. Granted he was saying he was taking it constantly which is insane.

01:10:59.64

christophknoll

I wonder if that's I mean obviously calling like you calling bull on hip I wonder if that's like you know to have constant like maybe consistency like maintaining but ah we know that Tom Platts went through bulks and cuts. So it's not like.

01:11:13.75

Paul

Yeah, he.

01:11:16.20

christophknoll

He was maintaining year-round which is the only reason I can think of for doing that every day consistently.

01:11:23.70

Paul

Yeah, he so like that's kind of why I call bullshit is because it's not necessarily that you could take windstall for an extended period of time you shouldn't you shouldn't take any drug for an extended period of time but like you could take it for like sixteen weeks um the results from it I have no idea you should be taking it that long. But. You could but like consistently and then on top of that his strength was fucking unbelievable like we still can't meet his strength nobody is able to meet his his squat record. Nobody's able to beat that right now eventually it will be beaten but like to be like oh this is I was taking me.

01:11:45.72

christophknoll

Yeah, so.

01:12:00.83

Paul

Mainly cutting agents and a fucking borderline trtitos and I was able to squat five hundred pounds twenty three times with no assists. Yeah, my ass bro my fucking ass.

01:12:08.43

christophknoll

And and and that five hundred were twenty three was just him walking up and like whatever I'll do it like it wasn't even like yeah it wasn't even like I'm going to do the like get ready and do this. It was just like a whatever let's do it.

01:12:13.94

Paul

He just did it? yeah. Yeah, he wasn't prepping for it. He wasn't training for it. He just fucking did it like there's those guys who trained for like a year and a half to beat that record and they still couldn't beat it like that's how far full like a head Tom Platz was when it came to his quads like that's what's so crazy about Tom Platts his upper body was it didn't really meet the standard. That's why he didn't like do amazing. Um, in bodybuiling I think he was a pro but he just that's why he never really won anything big but um, his quads were next level. That's why he's called the quad fatherther because he just would just jaw genuinely fucking next level. Um, so yeah so that's why I kind of call bullshit because you can have the best genetics in the world naturally and you'll never come close to what Tom P Plas is doing so like he definitely needed to be on shit and he was just like oh I never took any of the designer and quotations drugs never did the designer drugs I took the very minimum. He said he'd take the lesson girls would take but it worked for him use just a high. He's basically just like a um, a very high responder a very acute responder to anabolics so that's why he was able to get to that point. So it's just like I don't know I just I just call bullshit. Um.

01:13:34.27

Paul

Love tom platzs you know tons of respect for him. My dream is this is to train with him one day like I would love to hit a light day with him but I just don't think that that cycle he's talking about was is 100% the truth his peak was in the 80 s by the way for those that don't know 80 s was like his decade. He was huge in the 80 s um but yeah so that's interesting to me I don't really buy it but it's just to each their own. It's I take it with a grand salt.

01:13:58.43

christophknoll

Well I think it's I think it's an interesting convo just because not that we know for a fact, what people are taking nowadays but we can surmise what people are taking nowadays and it's like multiple multiple count compounds. It's it's a ton of different things and.

01:14:15.50

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah, um.

01:14:18.10

christophknoll

Like even if the amount isn't true like let's say he that was he was only taking 2 compounds but it was a lot more or something like that like that's still a you know harsh comparison comparison to nowadays how it's like we're going to take. These 4 different things and these 3 other things to counteract the side effects of those 4 things and you've got like a bundle on your hands. You know what? I mean.

01:14:41.65

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it adds up quick to like so many guys nowadays take grams of shit. Um and the thing the the thing I've always preached with anabolics and anybody who really knows what the hell they're talking about when it comes to anabolics though 100 % agree with me less is more less is always more. Um, if you start off with a crazy cycle. You can only kind of move up from there. Um, it's it's like I don't explain it. It's like it's like any medication right? like let's say like Adderall you start off with fifty Milligrams a day you can never go to ten Milligrams because your your body's so used to 50 you're going to feel like you're not even on it at ten milligrams so um that's that's kind of how steroids works. It's when you when you get the higher up you get with the amount of compounds the less you're going to respond to them in the future. Um, you kind of build up a tolerance. It's like any drug you build up a tolerance. So like if you start off with. Fucking five hundred megs a trend and 500 Meg a test like which first of all for a first cycle that's fucking retarded you. You're going to kill yourself but also like that's you're going to need to build upon that afterwards if you can't just like take that and then take half that for your next cycle and still get the same results. So you start off with less and slowly build your way up. Um, and the other thing too when it comes to anabolics especially for prepping for our show chances are the more you take the worse. You'll look you need to like everybody talked about how like so Derek said this which kind of pissed me off. He said he said.

01:16:18.62

Paul

Called bullshit on Arnold and Tom Platz because he was saying that to get to the olympia level drugs and anabolics is the cake itself. The food and training is the icing on it and I call bullshit the really you could take all the drugs in the world you want if you don't train. Properly or eat properly. You're never going to get where you want to go with it. You'll make progress. You know there's plenty of guys who took like atedrl while playing video games all day and they gain muscle and lost fat. But you're not going to be stage ready and so like and and some of the best looks out there. You know somebody I know got first call on a pro show and he was only on one compound.

01:16:47.33

christophknoll

And yeah.

01:16:57.53

Paul

For the last like two weeks before he stepped on stage like and a very very small dose of that too like really small so it's like it's not really the end I'll be all like that's just the technology doesn't like the studies and the technology just doesn't show that anymore. It doesn't show that the more you take the better. You'll look and. There's somebody I recently I watched a video on I forget I forget who it was I have to look into it. Um, he took like I think it added up to like over five grams of steroids a week. Um, which is a lot five Grams is a lot and he's prepping for a show. He got to the show and he looked like shit.

01:17:28.10

christophknoll

The hats a lot.

01:17:35.88

Paul

Full of water fat didn't have definition. He had somewhat size he looked old. He just the more you take the worse. You're gonna end up looking most likely. Um Nick Walker is an example of that he takes so so much shit it's ridiculous. Um.

01:17:53.99

christophknoll

He looks like an alien. Yeah.

01:17:54.39

Paul

And it shows it shows. He looks like a fucking freak. Yeah, he looks like a freak his ah fucking veins don't look good his. He's so boxy. It's just to me I mean granted, he looks like a freak so it's crazy to look at like that's how far the human body can go but like he's not to me he's not Olympia Caliber he doesn't have the look that the olympia deserves um and that's why I think Derek Lunsford is going to start taking over because he does have to look. He has the aesthetics. He has the size. He has a conditioning. Um.

01:18:24.83

christophknoll

I needed real Well at this past though.

01:18:29.12

Paul

Yeah, the only reason he didn't win is because we talked about this but the only reason he didn't win is because he didn't pay his dues yet. He hasn't been in the game long enough at the olympia level to win Hady Troop and deserved it in my opinion he could have gotten 1 or 2 But I think the amount of effort he's put in and he's been robbed multiple times he needed that fucking w um.

01:18:34.52

christophknoll

Yeah, like.

01:18:45.31

christophknoll

Yeah, absolutely and not just on the workout side of things like the Visa and everything just to get here like.

01:18:48.97

Paul

So yeah, oh yeah, yeah, he he's faced so many adversity so much adversity just to come here and then also the other thing with the culture of the Middle East is that it's all about honor. So if you lose you don't bring honor back to your country.

01:19:03.38

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:19:05.70

Paul

You don't bring honor back to your family you get second it doesn't matter you still lost. You know so like winning he's like he's like a he's like a famous celebrity now because he won you know it's just this like oh is crazy. Yeah, yeah, he.

01:19:16.50

christophknoll

Well did you see ah you see the airport when he when he touched down and the streets were just full. Yeah.

01:19:23.87

Paul

Was the best bodybuilder in the world that day like he he won the biggest show of the year so he brought a lot of honor to his family so he deserved that 100% in my opinion. Derek now is Derek's time is Derek's time he deserves it. He deserves a crown. But yeah, so that's a whole nother.

01:19:27.31

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:19:43.30

Paul

Discussion. But um, yeah, so the grams of shit is just really just the science doesn't show it anymore. Um, granted, men's open classic physique and men's physique all require different amounts of anabolics. Um, men's physique typically when I see. Ah, craziest cuts as far as amount of drugs is typically under a gram I'm under a gram amount about point seven milligrams of total anabolics sorry point seven grams so seven hundred Milligrams total which really isn't too much, especially for a prep. Um and we also haven't changed anything out a lot of people a lot of guys in any division. They end up running like they'll run tests the whole time they might run masteron for most of it but they change shit out as they go. So you know they might replace masteron with winstral halfway through and then take trend for the last six weeks but prior to that they take whatever. So like I haven't changed anything either It's been the same thing the entire time which is unique in that sense too. Um, but yeah, it's just the less is more It's just oh, that's gonna like that's that's the reality now and and a lot of guys don't want to buy it. They don't want to buy into that. Um, it's just issues how it is and um. The other thing too is that when we're talking about these cycles your golden era current all that you feel like a super human when you're on it so you're more prone to taking more because you want to feel better and better and better and better and then there's a threshold where you just start getting diminishing returns and it starts to hurt you. So. That's why also.

01:21:12.73

christophknoll

Well, there's yeah, there's the point that you reach from like we talked about the dependence almost like you get to the point where you're taking so much that your body doesn't actually achieve the gain so you have to take more and then it just goes way over the but the boundary of Health and yeah and the risk reward is like.

01:21:15.49

Paul

More.

01:21:20.19

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:21:25.94

Paul

Throw balls.

01:21:32.60

christophknoll

Minuscule unless you're going for your eighth olympia to take the crown like there's no there. There's no, there's no point for it.

01:21:35.37

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's just it's just not how it is anymore and at the same time like even bulking like a lot of guys assume you need to like put on ton of shit for for bulking and that's just not the reality anymore. The science doesn't show it. Um, Anecdotally it doesn't show it and also the other thing too is that 90% of guys don't respond well to steroids. That's a reality. Um, most guys don't respond well to steroids most guys look like shit on steroids. There are plenty of guys in the gym.

01:22:04.47

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:22:10.70

Paul

I guarantee at least every gym has a handful of guys who take steroids and they don't look like they do um and it's just the reality for most guys so you need to be careful. Um, when you do take shit because you're not, you might not get the results you wanted. Um I'm very blessed in a sense. So i. Um, cursed with bad natural genetics I never would have been able to compete naturally but I'm very blessed to have the genetics to respond well to anabolics which is unique. um it's not everybody that gets to say that um I know people who are extremely extremely hyper responders to test alone. Um, I'm a very hyper responder to the dhts. Um, specifically test I'm pretty normal like most people. Um, but at least normal normal in the sense that I respond well to it like like anybody else who responds well to it I'm not a hypers respondder I'm not a bad responder I respond average to guys who respond well to it? um. And bulking bulking cut or bulking cycles too is not as complex as people think it is um with social media nowadays like look at the golden era they're not talking about trend. They're not talking about anna draw they're not talking about masteron or. You know all these other primobolin or Eq or anything like that back in the golden era and they're still looking crazy. You know so like you don't need to take a shit to of compounds to look great if you can respond well to steroids. Um, ah I want to preface all this by saying I'm not an endocrinologist I'm not even really an expert when it comes to superphysiological.

01:23:40.93

Paul

Anabolic steroids I can have a conversation about it and I can read about it and understand what people are saying but I can't like write someone a cycle. Um and I never would just for the liability reasons but like um I know cbom was talking about it I think it was like. Beginning of last year maybe the year before that he was talking about what his typical bulking cycle looks like and I think it was like five hundred megs a test and like 3 or 400 makes a premo like that's it. Um I know Jay Cutler talked about it. Let me look it up to be sure exactly what he said? um. I know it was test and eq um, let me let me look it up here. Um, so like most guys who are huge when it comes to training like when it comes to stage readiness and all of that they're not taking nearly as much as people think um, yeah, so he said. And his offs seasonson which is bulking offseason is another word for that he would take 500 makes of test and 600 makes of Eq which I mean is a fucking shit ton. Um, for both of those I mean 500 makes a test is the the bro science level but six hundred Milligrams of eq is insane he loved eq that's his favorite. Um, he didn't do a lot of orals. He said in the beginning he tried Anodra and d ball mixed with the test. Um, he also tried deca but he wasn't a fan at deca. Um, he said let's see he.

01:25:11.40

Paul

Knows now a lot more than he did back then he he says he doesn't know if he needed if he should have gotten winsdrawl or in a var. Um he was using a pairbolan apparently during his cut. Um, and trend wasn't really around that much. Um, he got into insulin towards the end. Um, but that was kind of an additive. He said he is kind of like on the top of everything and that's usually insulin is usually used for carb partitioning when it comes to prepping for a show. Um. But yeah, ultimately just came down to test and eq um for ten weeks he'd run that and then he'd just come off completely. Um, he would just cruise immediately after ten weeks of that which is not good, but um and his competition prep. Let's see.

01:26:03.25

Paul

Come off for twelve weeks he would come off everything for twelve weeks was three months then he would start a cycle for the arnold classic that he would come off after the arnold you'd have a break from everything for 8 to twelve weeks and then he'd start everything back up in June for the olympia so he was off about half the year off everything.

01:26:20.40

christophknoll

You know.

01:26:23.18

Paul

Crazy. Um, he tried Gh before I use a day got up to 9 and 12 on and off but for him 9 was the sweet spot. But yeah, so even Jay color like his his bulking his offseason was wasn't really that crazy. Um. It wasn't a shit I mean it was a it was a lot. It was over a gram but like it's not super complex and the with social media want is.

01:26:47.37

christophknoll

If you want I was going to say if you want a ah a complex mass one I'll I just looked up rich pia ah, ah, cycle for his I think he this is for gaining £30 and like.

01:26:56.79

Paul

Okay.

01:27:02.99

Paul

Yeah, what? what was his cycle I know he took a lot of G H.

01:27:03.58

christophknoll

Three months I test fifteen ah fifteen megs a week. Ah I get sorry 1500 sorry all right? So let me I'll send you the article.

01:27:11.98

Paul

15 and I can be right 1500 no way. Dude, there's no shot. Just.

01:27:23.21

christophknoll

It's it's ah it's it's the very first one if you look at rich pianoa cycle under bodybuilder in thailand.com yeah yeah and that's just the first one. There's ah 5 that follow.

01:27:29.30

Paul

Okay, um, let me see there's no way there's I mean at so it's way is it Muscular development.

01:27:43.31

christophknoll

Ah, it is rich. Be honest, a steroid cycle and it's a it's called bodybuilder in thailand.com just just just look up richpiana's cycle.

01:27:55.13

Paul

Okay, got it rich P Steroid cycle. Ah no way he was taken that much I mean granted he also died So I'm not necessarily surprised like if he was still alive I'd call bullshit but he did die. So there is that.

01:27:59.99

christophknoll

And then if you scroll down. Ah.

01:28:05.89

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:28:14.21

Paul

Um, fifteen yeah, it's 1500 oh oh this is a snack. Um, yeah, fifteen hundred megs a test e test inate Nine hundred migs of bold known undisciclinate which is equipoise your eq six hundred megs a trend.

01:28:14.83

christophknoll

Busted. Oh.

01:28:31.39

Paul

300 megs of oral anddr draw twenty I use of Hgh that's so much dude. Holy shit like he talked about how expensive hgh is and he's like I can afford it but still, it's fucking expensive dude you're taking 20 I use a day like That's so fucking much I can't I can't explain like how much like I can't even explain how much that is like that he's going through realistic like that's like we're talking like like lever king level of a money here like you can.

01:28:52.71

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:29:04.90

christophknoll

Thirteen Thousand a month on all that he's taken.

01:29:09.46

Paul

He I think he was getting like medical quality I think I could be wrong hgh but like let's say he got it through dealer where it's cheaper. You could probably get like a hundred I use for like three hundred and fifty bucks and he's going through that in five days so we're talking like. 2 grand a month in Hgh probably realistically which of course 20 I use just fucking ridiculous. That's such a crazy amount of Gh and a draw shit ton trend shit ton eq shit ton like the amount of money he probably spent on all this like he'd literally have to pin.

01:29:31.16

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:29:48.66

Paul

Every single day for test and ecu because it's just so much making it's so like yeah, he's He's like a turkey basester to fucking pin. Dude.

01:29:49.69

christophknoll

Yeah, and it's just so much like I mean I'm thinking you know those joke giant medical still syringes. The joke ones just sure.

01:30:06.96

Paul

He basic her to the fucking dealt clearly look at his deals. Um, yeah, you can get most test e is like 250 megs a milliliter so he's taking was that six milliliters a week if he didn't want a fucking bowling ball of liquid sitting in his muscle. He would need to pin every single day. And milliliters a day too like not even like like you know half a mill or whatever like we're talking like probably like two mill a day. He's probably pinning between the trend trend. You can get probably about a hundred megs per milliliter. So he's taken 6 milliiters of that eq is I think usually around 300 megs of Milliliter. So he's taking 3 mills of that. So we're talking Fifteen Milliliters of liquid a week is what he's taken like he literally had to take over two milliliters of liquid a day that's fucking insane.

01:30:53.30

christophknoll

Yeah, but.

01:30:59.73

christophknoll

And that also and those don't also include his um his ah non blank now I'm blank on the name he was taken um or injecting um the liquid but not liquid but ahynthol. Yeah, so.

01:31:09.70

Paul

Oh synthal. Yeah, he was doing synthal. He was definitely doing synthal. Yeah, it's anddrulics.

01:31:15.33

christophknoll

And that doesn't even include the synthol right? there.

01:31:21.42

christophknoll

So guys. Ah, this is this is your starter cycle If you're just getting into anabos. This is what you want to look at right? ah.

01:31:27.87

Paul

Yeah, this is this is the first cycle you should run if you want to die um dude a magic dude do well of course not yeah.

01:31:32.32

christophknoll

Ah, can you imagine if this is what was recommended as your first cycle like like obviously it has to be recommended someone who has money but like you're a millionaire you're getting into it and your and your coach goes all right I'm going need you to buy all this.

01:31:46.42

Paul

Yeah, that. That's yeah, no okay, let me just go ahead and drop 3 grain a month that's fine, no worries. Um, but like I was gonna say like imagine overdosing on like steroids like you like panny you just fucking. Just like Followover it just too Much. You know I mean like it's just like no build up. No Yeah for a yeah like like no no like build up. No heart issues you just pain so much you just fucking fall and die yeah you did.

01:32:05.00

christophknoll

Elvis firstly in the bathroom.

01:32:09.77

christophknoll

Just and instead of instead of the trend coughs. You just get the trend dead pop. Ah.

01:32:20.49

Paul

Die you like half cough and fucking dead. Um and draw yeah and Drawl Androl itself is extremely powerful. Um and a draw um is ah.

01:32:23.59

christophknoll

Jesus.

01:32:30.62

christophknoll

But the problem is with that those that and draws oral and your live going through the the through the ringer at that point. Well any anything oral because that stuff isn't supposed to go in. Yeah.

01:32:38.99

Paul

Andrl wrecks your fucking liver. It's so toxic. Yeah, of course, but Andras I mean it's all it'll all hurt your liver but andnnadral specifically is very harsh on your liver. Um, and. You like bodybuilder cycles normally don't last more than twelve weeks on interaal and even then that's really long. Um and most guys will say inra is not even really worth it because of how harsh it is but it's andral was designed for people who have like aids and cancer that like lose like to have like muscular dystrophy. Like can't go to the gym or anything like that or exercise so they take the andnnadral to actually like like keep their muscles where they are so that they can fucking function normally without even training like guys have gained £12 of muscle in like months with anddrol like doing nothing andnnadr so wouldn't insanely powerful.

01:33:14.84

christophknoll

Um, and.

01:33:32.88

Paul

Um, but he also took a lot of trend that's way too much trend Sick hundred makes is way too much like the craziest trend cycle you'll see for anyone really is usually about 4 to 500? Um, trend is for those like trend has gotten such a fucking stupid like. Wrap to it now because it's like oh it's the steroid this is the steroid you should take but blah blah but it's like it's a cutting agent. It's really what it's for you. Build strength? Yes, but it's not that's not what it's for you. You take it so that you can ideally build some muscle while cutting. That's why I haven't lost a lot of weight is because. I'm also putting on some muscle right now on top of the fat that I'm losing and muscle weighs a lot more than fat does. So. That's what trends for it's not a bulk you can use it for bulking but it's really not for that. Um, and it's not the end I'll be all and it's like the like the trend twins really kind of like. Ruin the image of trend because a granted trend is for a lot of guys. It's kind of overrated but like it's it's trend is not where like social media does not portray trend in the the way it should be portrayed. Um, you don't see people posting about n ofr or andnna draw or anything like that which anna draw is arguably more powerful than trend is. But people don't talk about it. It's just a meme you know so people associate trend being like the steroid. But yeah, so that's a different you know thing right? There? Um, let's see so there's also Ronnie Coleman did a interview with Tom Plattz where he talked about his steroid cycle.

01:35:07.58

Paul

So in his pre-contest his cycle dosages. We're talking about all this guys because Arnold came out recently and Tom Plast came out recently which are like 2 of the biggest bodybuilders ever. So like it's kind of a hot topic right now. Um so his pre contest cycle. Was test x which um I think is testosterone but it's like it's a different suspension I don't even know what I like that's so we look it up.

01:35:43.86

Paul

Um, how this happened why is my keyboard not typing Okay, one second I'm looking it up right now. Um.

01:35:57.84

Paul

Yeah, so he so tes sex is testosterone booster. It's an anabolic formula designed to maximize testosterone input output so it's just that it's like a anabolic testosterone support compound so he did. So. It's 250 megs ah per millilitter and he did seven hundred and fifty megs per week 3 so 3 injections he did primo three hundred Milligrams Primo is one hundred migs per millitter in this case so he did 3 pins of that. Um he did deca 2 to milligrams per week.

01:36:35.90

Paul

Um, it's unclear if he use Twitter migs from the interview if it's per week or not. He just said he took tuner migs but it's assumed that's per week testosterone heptilate which is five hundred megs per week split into one so he did it. He pin that twice 250 megs per milliliter primo. D ball or andraol depending on where he's at um, anywhere from 25 to 100 mix per day depending on which one he took um as far as the tablets goes you can get primo tablets you can get Dba tablets. All of it's like d ball and anddol are known for being oral primo is known for being injected but. If he's taken the oral version. He's anywhere from 25 to 100 makes per day h g h four I use per day which is actually really low I that's lower than I I expected um and then he took insulin 30 I use split to two fifteen iu injections only for the carb up phase before competition so he would take insulin. During a carb up which some guys do like the last couple weeks they'll increase the carbs slightly we're talking like an ounce of rice or some shit because then that way your body is digesting more which kicks it into overdrive and then you cut it all out. And you're still in overdrive and you're shedding more because of that. So. That's what he would use so that his body would utilize the carbs more um and then so like you would you'd lower your blood sugar taking the carbs to spike your blood sugar again. Um, and that way you burn more calories. Um.

01:37:48.70

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:38:07.49

Paul

So that's what he would do pre-competation Carbo phase. So like that's a pretty so fucking crazy cycle I mean it's not as much as I expected if it's true. Um, so like he probably took total. We're talking like to.

01:38:26.86

Paul

Grams Two two and two and a half grams of anabolics not including the the gh or the insulin which is four I use which is international units and thirty I use depending on the concentration. Um, like let's say you get a like a vial It's like 10 I use of powder and you put like. One milliliter of back water which is like antibacteria water. It's like basically sterile water. Um, it's not just like ah it's not just like ah, what's it called you not spring water. What's the other one fucking you can buy it at the store. What's the other version of water. Distilled. It's not distilled water. It's like it. no no no I'm saying like backwater is a different thing and then both of those it's it's completely entire and like it's like so completely completely sterile water so you put that let's say like the vial has like 10 I use and you put like a milliter in that you know little vial.

01:39:04.34

christophknoll

Distilled well distilled water. You know you don't drink distilled water.

01:39:14.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:39:23.34

Paul

Like gh let's say and it's like 1 millilitter so each day he would take like point four milliliterss a day. So like that's how that would check out. It comes as a powder and you put backwater inside the little tiny vial of water of ah of powder. And you just put in a certain amount that you can do the math out properly. So like if it's like if you could fit like one point five milliliter and you end up doing like point three milliliters because of that it's just easier math so ends up being distributed easier. Um the thirty I u insulin I'm not too sure how insulin comes whether that's liquid already or not. Um, but I I also don't know too much about insulin in general I think insulin is borle Killia um, it's very very bad for you to fuck with insulin.

01:40:04.93

christophknoll

I mean I know from the from the diabetic point of view. It's it's ah liquid that you inject. Yeah.

01:40:10.75

Paul

Yeah, but I'm not sure if you buy it like underground whether or not that's gonna be a liquid or a powder because like like when my when most dealers get stuff in. It's a powder and they suspend it in something. It's called suspension. Um.

01:40:12.25

christophknoll

Oh oh come? yeah.

01:40:25.50

Paul

Some of them do water sarms they use alcohol usually like vodka or something like that. Um some do like Mct oil. So like there's different kinds of suspensions that they do but they usually get it in a powder form when you get a prescription. They probably. Price suspend it in something healthy like Mct oil um or something like that like ah Anti-bacteria like sterile Mct oil or something maybe coconut oil or something I don't know something um that'll suspend wherever you're injecting it. Um, granted diabetes is different ballgame because. They they do smaller amounts. They do very small amount especially if you have it hooked up constantly to you. It's a little machine and it'll dispense a little bit at a time whenever you need it The yeah, the patch. Yeah.

01:41:10.36

christophknoll

Yeah, or those new Um, the new arm ones that they have yeah.

01:41:16.60

Paul

Yeah I've seen those those are pretty those are pretty sick. Um, diabetes has come a long way as far as like treating diabetes has come a long way, especially if you're type 1 type 1 type 2 you can manage with diet um type two is not really like that serious if you take it seriously if you take it seriously, it's not that big of a deal if you don't take it seriously. It'll kill you.

01:41:21.62

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:41:36.50

Paul

Um, but yeah, so inulin I don't know too much about um as far as how it works. But yeah so I mean it's not too too much as much as I expected it to be um in comparison to like I said what I thought it was gonna be but yeah, so that's. That's his Dorian Yates came out with his I don't know I'm not really the biggest fan of Dorian Yates he just spews a lot of bullshit in my opinion and he just thinks he's the best the top the best of the best ever and he's just so up his own ass. Um.

01:42:05.52

christophknoll

Yeah I know you've talked about how your thing against him is like mostly the the attitude like near.

01:42:10.38

Paul

Yeah, he just he's just fucking arrogant is what he's just like oh the best. There is nobody trained like me I walk through foot and a half of snow to go train. It's like you're an idiot that was so fucking pointless like you don't need to walk 8 hours to go train like if you knew anything about.

01:42:22.75

christophknoll

Um.

01:42:30.11

Paul

Like what because he's he's probably the example of like he doesn't know what the hell he was doing. He just worked for him like if you knew anything about training. He'd actually be better off not going and walking for however long he said he did through snow and resting than he would have doing like going in training he would have like. Made a lot more gains that way it just it doesn't it's just stupid. He just he didn't know to me. It just seemed like he didn't know what he was doing and just acted like this is what you need to do like you need to be this hardcore but you just don't it's not the reality. Um, granted he was the first ever mass monster so clearly it worked.

01:43:02.83

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:43:07.65

Paul

But I just don't think that people should follow what he says it's like David Goggins like I can't stand David Goggins

01:43:09.30

christophknoll

But the same time at the same time though I I don't view the mass monsters as anything. You should really strive towards obviously I'm coming from more the aesthetic side of things but also longevity like both of those.

01:43:17.90

Paul

Agreed.

01:43:25.37

christophknoll

Combine like you want to look good and you want to look good for a long time. The mat like getting yourself to like Nick Walker style is not not what I mean just me personally not what you should be striving towards.

01:43:39.00

Paul

Yeah I mean I wanted to be a super heavy weight one day but I I didn't want to be a mass monster. You know like I wanted to be aesthetic like my the guys I looked up to at the time I wanted to be super heavyweight was um oh my gosh you passed away in 2020

01:43:42.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:43:55.65

Paul

Um, oh man, why am I drawing a blank. Um, this one guy and then I also looked up to ah Regan Grimes as well I think Regan Grimes has a really good aesthetics um me look up who it was.

01:44:09.81

christophknoll

Yep I Thought you said wreck grimes for a sec from the walking dead I was like Nope not what you should be going for.

01:44:14.74

Paul

No, um, it was let's see um well not Boston Lloyd That's not him. Ah, let me see.

01:44:31.51

Paul

If I can Luke Sandow Luke Sandow that's who it was why was I drawn a blank I really liked Luke Sandow's look um supposedly he took his own life at age thirty I think he so supposedly he died may seventh twenty twenty two days after my birthday which sucked everything looked up to his physique. Um, he supposedly.

01:44:32.46

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:44:51.10

Paul

Committed suicide. Um, but yeah, so like those 2 guys is who I looked up to because I just found them very very aesthetic, um and not like freakish in a bad way. Um. But yeah, so that's that's what you should? Yeah I mean everybody has their own things that they strive for and their own things that they they aim for um.

01:45:10.50

christophknoll

Yeah, absolutely like week me and you come from like a very specific like look good for the moment like like the the aesthetic side of things always over anything else like obviously there's people who want to be you know a hulk.

01:45:21.91

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:45:28.20

christophknoll

Ah, straight up a straight up hulk.

01:45:28.48

Paul

Yeah, that was me for a while I wanted it to be massive but it just I don't have the genetics for it. Um, but it is what it is so yeah, so that's where we're at right now. That's my current update. Um, next weekend we'll figure something out stuff like I'll be in Florida next weekend but we'll figure something out.

01:45:45.91

christophknoll

Could always be my solo cryotherapy 1

01:45:47.48

Paul

Um, yeah, um, we could maybe record like an hour one of these evenings or like maybe tomorrow or something like tomorrow evening record like an hour or something we'll figure it out. You guys will have an episode to listen to don't worry. Um. I'll be in Florida next week so I'll be posting that I'm not posting any physique updates the closest thing to physique update is gonna be photos of me Florida um I don't want anybody to know where I'm at until I step on stage. So I'd be the closest thing. But yeah, so that's where I'm at and we'll come over with the topic for next week but

01:46:13.97

christophknoll

Yep.

01:46:24.20

Paul

Thanks for listening guys. Um, don't do steroids. We just talked about it today. That's all, yeah, we just talked about yeah Arnold really is the reason why we talked about it cool all we'll see you guys. Let's see ya.

01:46:27.82

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, more or less the the outcome of this conversation.

01:46:35.93

christophknoll

Yup hi everybody. We will be seeing you guys next week. Yeah.


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