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HGH #39 - USA vs EU


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christophknoll

Welcome back Everybody we are back with yet another week of our good old podcast.

00:04.67

Paul

With the brand new episode for you guys today? Yeah got to change it up. Got to have some variety in there somehow. So you don't keep getting dogged on.

00:09.10

christophknoll

The new intro.

00:16.42

christophknoll

We actually coordinated today. We're both wearing black look at that doesn't doesn't happen all that often.

00:19.94

Paul

Oh very nice I'm wearing steel as usual now I always got my steel shirts on my wife hates it because I'm always wearing steel or he fit well.

00:30.67

christophknoll

Yeah, no I'm ah I'm going with the ah with the bulk by Guildin shirt. So.

00:38.55

Paul

Yeah, you're got your your ah Doinda ball you got to get your doranda ball shirt Deepal Derenna Bow yep.

00:43.33

christophknoll

Yeah, ah do you debalil test testom max.

00:54.18

Paul

I Totally don't take testomax.

00:56.85

christophknoll

Yeah I mean that kind of just feeds into my little update so I'll just kind of go with that. But ah, we're one week on the crazy bulk stack which if you don't know what that is take a listen to last week last week I kind of did.

00:58.75

Paul

Yeah, let's hear it.

01:11.45

christophknoll

And more in-depth kind of run of what crazy ah crazy bulk is but it's the supplement brand that I'm ah taking right now they have a bulking stack and I again I mean Paul and I talked about it during the week but um I felt. You know, better energy during the week of course that's the first week I'm taking it so we're calling it for the placebo effect right now. So in a couple of weeks we'll take a look at it then but 1 thing that I can't really argue for the placebo effect is that I'm up £3 which for somebody who has.

01:35.40

Paul

Yeah.

01:47.57

christophknoll

Literally plateaued at 200 for the past two three years that is not placebo effect really that is legit shit right? there? Um, and granted my diet has been more locked in now than it's ever been even when I was with the coach. Um, so i'm.

02:02.71

Paul

And.

02:06.70

christophknoll

Really locked in diet wise and I made a couple changes to get me above the four thousand marks so right now I'm sitting up forty one hundred calories a day. Um, which which is I mean that's the most I've ever taken in that is I mean granted I have to drink a lot of it. Um.

02:13.19

Paul

Nice. That's good chunk.

02:24.71

christophknoll

Because just and so that means my ah my my bathroom trips are not as enjoyable as a normal person's not saying that they're enjoyable in general. But.

02:24.76

Paul

Um.

02:34.69

Paul

Let me let let me ask you This have you tried justs consider Maybe at some point while you still have so like you're drinking like ah like a bulking powder right.

02:44.57

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, so I drink a it's called a mass chaser but it's smell really just a mass gainer I have ah several protein shakes like I have 1 right after my lift I have one with my post lift meal and then I also drink a.

02:50.60

Paul

No.

03:02.47

christophknoll

Smoothie that's pretty much close to 500 galleries

03:04.20

Paul

Wait. What's the difference between post lifts and post workout meal.

03:09.70

christophknoll

So I have like a half hour commute so right as I'm about to leave the gym bring a little. It's like an eight ounce container but I throw the equivalent of sixteen ounces of protein like what you would mix with a sixteen ounce into that and and.

03:13.31

Paul

All right, right? right.

03:24.24

Paul

How many grams of protein.

03:28.92

christophknoll

Grams of protein that's 48 because um I just double scoop and and into a into a little eight ounce thing it's just more condensed and I like it that way because you.

03:29.59

Paul

Okay, gotcha.

03:39.35

Paul

Yeah thicker.

03:42.58

christophknoll

You really want to be giving your bodies after after a really strenuous and intensive workout. You want to give something within that first half hour and I happen to be driving for a half hour so I just pound that drink and then eat immediately when I get home. Um, and then I have another shake with it then.

03:54.93

Paul

So it's be. It's not because like you're hunger or anything. It's your're you'

04:01.41

christophknoll

I mean I do get hungry but it's more so just to make sure that there's protein in my system while my muscles are kind of on the like down like kind of if you downshift it in a car. That's the best way I can.

04:13.99

Paul

So.

04:14.67

christophknoll

Make an example for like you're on. So yeah, you're you're in your fifth gear for an hour and then you start downshifting and you need the clutch roll the Abo I can eat whatever I want and it's okay, correct. But it's.

04:21.60

Paul

So you're hitting your Anabolic window. That's what that is yeah, that's essentially what you're kind of talking about is like an Anabolic window. Um.

04:33.98

christophknoll

There's an actual purpose for getting especially when the muscles are still you know full of blood and your body to an extent is warm because of the blood flow. You have the ability to get your nutrients where they need to go a lot more efficiently so instead of you know going home and 30 minutes later that just then putting something into your system.

04:55.44

Paul

Um, was was this something that that um Alex introduced or.

05:01.60

christophknoll

Nope This is just something that I've come to realize my body adapts really well to or sorry reacts really well to just because I'm always looking for opportunities to eat and consume throughout my day and I realize that window right there.

05:07.90

Paul

Okay.

05:17.59

christophknoll

Is just a prime time of when I have nothing and it's a very important time and like I said in terms of just how my body reacts to it. It. It does very well because it doesn't take a ton off the hunger window because then when I get home I have this. I mean have I set you what that picture looks like what my post gym looks like it's just a mountain of rice peas and Kidney beans. Um, Okay I'll I'll send you a picture later today when I have my next one but it's ah it's It's just a mountain like the the containers honestly maybe like a.

05:38.99

Paul

I Don't think you set me it.

05:45.53

Paul

Um, yeah.

05:52.79

christophknoll

Almost like a square foot. That's how big this container is and it's just a mountain of food. Um, but again and I've mentioned it in the past because of my teaching schedule and how little time I actually have during the teaching day to eat. Um, it's tough for me to make meals. So.

05:56.84

Paul

Ah, gotcha.

06:11.98

christophknoll

When I was with my coach I was really struggling to get the actual real food down so he always suggested I need to drink more calories I need to drink more calories and I just never really never really did it but now um I found a smoothie that I can get down real easy. It's thick as all hell because of how dense it is caloric wise but.

06:15.42

Paul

Yeah.

06:31.60

Paul

Ah.

06:31.14

christophknoll

Can get it down and then between the mass gainer at the end of the day and um, the 2 protein shakes I drink it's a lot easier on my system to get it in my last meal of the day is also almost like a stew based meal. So it's a lot easier for me to kind of get that in as well. Um.

06:48.84

Paul

Um, have you convinced? ah.

06:49.83

christophknoll

So overall it's that I was just going to say Overall my body's been reacting to the diet real well and to the supplements real Well um, and again in the gym. It's placebo effect but diet wise or and weight gain wise I can't really argue placebo for that.

07:05.60

Paul

Gotcha Okay, um, have you considered like blending up whole foods and drinking them.

07:13.91

christophknoll

I've thought about it I'm not quite there yet I've seen the you know I've seen the videos of I'm going to blend together 3 big mac meals and I'm not there yet. But I'm guessing if if I hit another plateau weightwise. Um.

07:18.24

Paul

Um, again.

07:21.58

Paul

Yeah, this.

07:31.69

christophknoll

So let's say I'm saying it's not placebo effects for the weight gain but let's say it is and let's say in 2 3 weeks I plateau again after gaining £7 or whatever and then. I realized that I'm in this again then I'll start doing this stuff because I still have my heavy duty big blender that I I think I brought it with me down to sc with you guys? Um, it's just this big blender that oh no no I use I know I used one at the airbnb. But it's just a bigger one like I have my small personal one. My ninja one that I use for like my.

07:51.87

Paul

I Beg their number. How can I.

08:02.40

christophknoll

Individual shakes and whatnot. But I have a big one that can do like a like what you're suggesting blending food like a real big thing and then though like you know 10 twelve ounces of either water milk in with it and then just close my nose and down it.

08:06.68

Paul

Yeah.

08:17.77

Paul

Yeah I was just saying that because um, because that's that's a strategy a lot of guys take if they are able if they have to put in a lot of a lot of talk or a lot of food. Um Hun Lebrada posted a video while it goes like a year ago or some shit now. Where because of his his digestion was so fucked for whatever reason it was I don't remember exactly um, his digestion was fucked so he just started drinking every single meal so he'd just blend up like chicken and rice and he'd put water in there and um, just so that he can get it down. Um. I know I think Roddy might have done that at one point I know Larry Wheels does it pretty frequently where he will grind up chicken um and drink that.

09:00.40

christophknoll

I mean there's famous, famous videos of Ronnie are that not famous videos but the memes and it's like when when I can't even do the quote but he's got this giant thing in his hand and you can tell he blended up something.

09:11.75

Paul

yeah yeah I know he he drank a lot of protein powder and would put like nest quick powder and shit in there because like his body responded like crate like he he like people don't realize like the food level that Ronnie was at like he was pretty strict but like.

09:20.31

christophknoll

Yep.

09:28.96

Paul

He was his body was so genetically insane that he could pretty much eat anything and be fine like every single day he would go out and eat whatever he wanted basically for like a whole meal that people don't talk about that. But that's the react like that was that's true I think he talks about it in his um in his documentary I think it's on Netflix um.

09:32.91

christophknoll

Yeah.

09:48.94

Paul

Like Ronnie the king or whatever is called. Um there's a documentary just about Ronnie and his progression all of that and how he got to where he is today. But yeah yeah I think he talked about that how like every single day he would go out to dinner or lunch or whatever it was and eat whatever he wanted. And there's a couple of different restaurants. He'd pick from usually and he'd get the same thing. A lot of the time. Um I mean great and that's also how it was back in the 70 s like Arnold and all of them were getting steaks after working out they go and get steaks for breakfast or whatever it was like um, it's just.

10:13.90

christophknoll

Yeah.

10:20.52

christophknoll

Well I was just I've been listening to his his little audio book recently and his autobiography and he talks about how prior to oh god I think it was the 76 Olympia or something like that. Um he had he.

10:23.30

Paul

Um, yeah.

10:35.82

christophknoll

He did competition the week before and there's a week period where he just was just hanging. He was eating fish and chips every day and he said and then he still won.

10:40.44

Paul

Yeah I mean that's just they yeah they they didn't like you mean like he he did that after the show he ate fishing chips after the show. All.

10:49.80

christophknoll

No, no, no like like a week up like he did a show I think it was a he he had this stretch of 3 shows where is like Mr universe Mr. Olympia and I'm blankking and what the third one was but. He did the first show and then there was a week period where he was in like travel mode and he couldn't like eat the way you wanted to or or work out the way he wanted to and he literally just ate you know like airport food a week and then he went and won the Olympia.

11:10.21

Paul

Um, okay.

11:14.10

Paul

Yeah gotcha. Yeah I mean there was one 1 year where he he won on a technicality because he was the only person competing people forget that like he was there were like boycotting the show or some shit he's the only one that showed up so he got the automatic dub. Like it didn't even matter how like this actually happened people forget this this actually happened it was so controversial because um, let me let me look it up. Arnold. Um, 1971 I think.

11:36.45

christophknoll

Do you know what year that is I was gonna say the 1980 he won um, okay so is second one.

11:49.60

Paul

Yeah, it was 1971 no other bodybuilder competed in the 1971 that's such imagine that happening today like that would be absurd. No no, he didn't he doesn't bring it up. Nobody talks about it. But.

11:57.91

christophknoll

Ah, he didn't He did not mention that in his book. Ah.

12:07.71

Paul

9071 he was the only one to compete because it was some some sort of like boycott protest thing that all the competitors were doing and he just like said fucked it and just showed up anyways and like he ended up. He ended up winning I forget what it was um.

12:13.90

christophknoll

Yeah.

12:23.24

Paul

To prize money for them was $1000 back in the day that's probably like 10 grand now. Um me see so it's supposed to be between 4 athletes Roy Colendder franco colombo Sergio Leva and arnold they all got disqualified. Um. Let me see that's what it was so. The ifbb said any bodybuilder who participates or goes for guest posing and any other federation would be disqualified from its events. That's so fucked. That's so fucked. So.

12:53.40

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, but at the time that's there was also like 4 big like bodybuilding federations like so people were just doing going around trying to make you know ends meet.

13:03.96

Paul

Um, there was right and that's the thing is like you. We're not even not even like federations in itself I know this's kind of a tangent guys but not even in federation itself like there was like only like a couple big shows and even then. You wouldn't do it for the money. It's like you're competing to compete like you're not there to make money not like the guest posing. They probably got like a hundred bucks like it wasn't like they're not going out of their way to make money like guys now do guest posing for like 10 grand 15 grand like Logan Franklin to to to.

13:21.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

13:38.63

Paul

Okay, so this is something that I got from inside um knowledge to to have Logan Franklin fly out for a weekend of like guest posing um seminars and posing routines and stuff with athletes would have costed someone I know 15 grand that's a weekend. So like these guys make bank now the money wasn't there back then so like they just competed just because of the love of the sport and they're like Ipb's getting you know ja or the weederss and ivb are all getting up in their fucking panties like ooh you can't compete in other woods because bro blah bla. It's like there's no reason.

14:12.30

christophknoll

Well, they're trying to corner the market.

14:16.60

Paul

Yeah, there was no like that's really it like you can't you can't do him and you can't have a monopoly on the market. It just doesn't really work that way. But I mean it is what it is. He was the only one who competed just because he wasn't disqualified so he won regardless of whatever condition he was going to show up in I didn't know if that was the one you were talking about or not. But.

14:21.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

14:31.21

christophknoll

That's no, no, no, no, but that that's gonna be me showing up for a show and asking for the six four plus division. Ah.

14:40.59

Paul

Yeah, if there ever is one I think it's like I think the highest it gets for any show is like six two and up or some shit like that's like the highest. Um.

14:48.36

christophknoll

I really so the aren quite honest, my one of my many like many goals in my mind for I set the like the goal for myself for next summer to step on stage regardless of how I look just set a tentative goal so that I am constantly working on that. Um.

14:57.34

Paul

Um, yeah.

15:04.47

christophknoll

I Really want to be you know, best in my in my class. So then I can go up for best overall and just tower over the people like that's quite honestly a goal of my justice and there and say I know I like I am taller than you I I control you.

15:13.21

Paul

Um, yeah, it happens.

15:22.13

Paul

I mean from what I can remember at most regional shows a been to. There might be like 1 or 2 guys like right around your height. It's hard to say because they're up on a stage and you're also in the distance. So like the only time you can really tell how tall someone is is until they're next to someone. Um.

15:37.33

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

15:39.56

Paul

So like shorter guys who like some some 1 guy. No I've seen could be at a regional show in person I'm like oh he's like 5 8 five nine maybe at most but then on stage when he's by himself. He looks tall because he's up on the stage and um, you know it's just him up there so you're like looking up at him. Um, but then when you see him next to another competitor in a higher class. You're like okay this got short of shit like not that 5 v 5 now short of shit. It's just in comparison to what I thought he looked like onstage you know so you do look taller on stage typically um, but I think what that.

15:56.82

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

15:59.66

christophknoll

He he.

16:11.75

christophknoll

Well, that's like that I was just gonna say that's like the the Brian Shot Brian Shaw handing out the ah Olympia Awards ah

16:15.99

Paul

Yes, exactly you don't you don't realize how small Sean Claririta is until you see him next to a big dude and like even just like regular body like not regular, but but like the open bodybuilders in the olympia if you ever see Sean Clarita next to them. It's like what the fuck like he's so small compared to them.

16:22.28

christophknoll

Yeah.

16:30.10

christophknoll

True.

16:33.71

Paul

But that's why he's called the giant killer and that's why like everybody doubted him because he's like in his old footage I was watching a video it was I think it's like a macavelli motivation or some shit about Shan Corta because it was like um it said something about like how everybody was telling him he couldn't do it because he was so short. Um, he's like 5 2 or some shit like he's a tiny ass dude. Um, but there's a video of him training and no shit I didn't really laugh but I was like that's kind of funny his chest was like just over the dumbbell rack I'm like. Motherfucker dude and this dude's wedding to twelves. Are you shitting me I'm like cross him like that's such an accomplishment like that's absurd. But yeah, that's why it's called the the the um the fucking giant killer and that's why 2 12 is like made for him because he could be fucking two 12 was like the max he could probably ever get.

17:11.57

christophknoll

Ah.

17:26.30

Paul

Weight wise so it's like perfect. It's yeah, it's got a place.

17:26.81

christophknoll

I've I've come to really love and appreciate the 2 12 division just see like actually actually doing research and looking at some of the guys like that are in it now like I've come to really appreciate that division now and it's 2 12 is one like. For For example, it's one that I could never compete in because 2 12 for me is like literally ten more pounds on top of what I have and I'd look scrawny next to those guys. So it's that I love and appreciate it for for like.

17:43.60

Paul

No. Um, yeah, yeah, um.

17:57.15

christophknoll

The short kings in my life.

17:58.95

Paul

Exactly that's what is designed for designed for guys like under like five foot eight who want to compete and open but also like don't want to get outsized like crazy. So like if their max weight is gonna be roughly two 12 or under when you're on stage then two 12 is what you're built for. Um. That's Sean Claririta's instance you know he's talked about competing amends open but it's just the level of competition is just a different world. It's not that they're better. It's just simply the size difference like Shan Clerita could have a better overall proportions better package proportionately but like. Big rawmi is going to look so massive next to him. It's like all your eyes are only going to be drawn to big rawmi. You know what? I mean so it only makes sense. Um, but so to to loop it back and then I do want to mention something. Yeah about Alice about the npc and ibb I'm not sure if we talked about it last week I don't know if we talked about last week um but

18:38.75

christophknoll

Yeah.

18:53.81

Paul

1 thing I wanted to mention was um, the £3 you put on please consider it might be water weight not necessarily, but it's something to consider.

18:59.40

christophknoll

Yeah, well I actually know that it's it's almost I'd say at least if not half then at least a third of fat weight I 100% understand that because I've I've yeah no I I completely get that but I'm at the point where.

19:10.30

Paul

Yeah, something to keep in mind.

19:18.86

christophknoll

I don't mind that as because if I can dump as much size as I can and then or not dump but put on as much size as I can regardless of what it is and then hone that down. That's where I'm at because it's been plateauing 200 for quite literally six years since i.

19:29.78

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

19:37.60

christophknoll

Ah, hit 200 in high school so 15 years and then that's where I've been.

19:41.75

Paul

Yeah, it's it takes a lot to push through a plateau I've been there before um the way I call it is especially with in my instance where anabolics are involved what I would essentially we call it is like a metabolic wall. It's not necessarily a plateau but just for some reason your body isn't either losing the weight or putting on the weight that you want to put on so that typically requires some sort of change in the plan. Whatever it is um, keto is having that I was having that issue. We talked about this a million times keto was having that issue I just could not break past like.

20:00.30

christophknoll

E.

20:15.68

Paul

One Ninety five or whatever it was I forget what it was exactly just for some reason it couldn't lose the weight my g my bg was still high like just something wasn't right and then it was the prolactin levels. So like sometimes you just need to change the plan you need to reevaluate and what's going on once I started taking cabra golding everything just clicked. Um, my loss started losing the weight. Um, a bg started going down a bit. Um and I started getting better results. So like sometimes it's just a little thing here or there that might be holding you back and that's why I say like even if you're natural like still get blood work done on ah on the reg. It's really not too too expensive in comparison to other things you could be purchasing like it's like. Like one hundred and fifty bucks for like a full hormone panel and lipid profile. Um, and it's super easy to do you just drive into like a quest or or a um, a fucking What's the other big one. Um a the quest diagnostics or the.

20:56.44

christophknoll

Um.

21:08.15

christophknoll

Yeah, you got no help from me here. Man.

21:11.39

Paul

Fucking whatever there's 2 big ones. There's 2 big ones. Um, let me look it up because it's dry I'm lab core there. It is fuck I cannot think of that so diagnostic or quest diagnostics and lab core are 2 of the bigger diagnostic chains out there. They're pretty much everywhere. Um.

21:20.91

christophknoll

The.

21:30.81

Paul

So you get so meic health m a r e k for anybody listening is the um, kind of like like online clinicish that um Derek for more plates. More dates is helping run with another clinician so the doctor is the one mainly in charge of everything but I think Derek is kind of helping run it as a business. Um, they have a 4 hormone full hormone panel I think it's like one hundred fifty bucks or something with a lipid profile. It's the best one I've ever taken. They take very little amounts of blood. Um and the results are super super fast like it's it's absurd. It should not be that price but Derek is really honestly trying to take on big pharma.

22:08.16

christophknoll

Yeah.

22:08.73

Paul

Just by himself. So um, it's I think if you're going to do blood work I think even if it was like a little bit more like usually I'd spend like 17075 on it and they take a lot of blood. But even if it was like two hundred bucks to go through Merrick I'd still do it because I'd be supporting a content creator that I support and also someone who's. Really taking on um, big pharma and trying to you know make a difference but anyways get that donenge just because you never know what could be sitting in your way and I think that would also benefit you christoph too as well because you never know what could be holding you back your plateau might be because um. Ah, like your your lird profile is off like your your cholesterol is off like you got you know a bad profile for cholesterol like that that alone could be enough where you're just like oh okay, so really I just need to focus on healthier fats and like maybe focusing on you know, carb partitioning or something like that and then all of a sudden.

23:05.47

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:05.54

Paul

Your life changes. You know it's the little things like that that that could drastically make a difference. Um, guy note the gym I go to who went to a Golds is actually funny that him and I started going the same gym because of how busy gold is um, he. Re in cycles and he never really competed but he did kind of treat it like he was competing. He did bulking cutting. He did a prep phase and quotations without stepping on stage. But now he's kind of done because I think he has a kid now and he's just kind of focusing on life and just wants to be healthy and he still lifts with his girl I think and I can't really tell their relationship. It's really weird I don't know but um. it's it's I can't figure it out but that's besides the point he was talking to me about his blood work that he got done and he showed me it and his total test was like a little over three hundred nanograms per deciliter so part of getting your blood work is you need to be able to read what your blood work means really just actually actually fucking read it like a book.

23:58.86

christophknoll

Yeah, or so or send it to someone who can read it.

24:00.46

Paul

Um, it'll tell you you need to need to know? Yeah, exactly you could send it to us send it to hgh podcast one at Gmail.com um, and we'll tell you what you probably need to work on chances are um within reason. Obviously we're not experts but be like okay so this is out of whack. So. This might be your issue. You know this could be it. This could be it whatever but his test was like just over three hundred nanograms so the average for men which is a bullshit average is between I think three hundred and nine hundred nanograms per deciliter. Um, so he was on the lower end and that's why he felt like shit and his estrogen was on the higher side. So. That's why he felt like shit because. I think his pct whatever he did and cruising for a while just fucked him up so he's got to figure out what he's got to do and really like I think telling I'm telling him I'm just like dude just honestly just get on Crt that's all you got to do like your life will change and he's like yeah 100%. He's like I'll figure it out but that's pretty much what I'm probably going to do um. But yeah, it's just something like that will will change your life and that's why I think there is no shame ever in getting into Hrt or t r t at any age you know I was in the gym and my my total teslas were on five hundred nanograms and I'm talking like I was 22 when I got that blood work done lifting. Like there was no reason for my blood work. My test to be 500. It should have been way higher. It should have been like upper average or like above average of 9 like over nine hundred nanograms but it wasn't um, it was borderline I needed trt because at my age that it didn't make any sense. So.

25:35.83

Paul

Um, there's no shame in it. Your life will change sometimes you just need to reevaluate it. Um, and ah it take a different approach so just get it done. See what they say um, a lot of time if you have health insurance. It'll cover it. Um it be preventative lab costs um or preventative. It's preventative. Um. Care typically so just get the lab work done um through Maric Health ideally but if you have to go through your doctor you can and then there's also Trt Clinics you can go to but take those with a bucket of salt because some of them are designed for bodybuilders I know. 1 clinic. That's here in Charlotte that's designed for bodybuilders and you show up say hey I'm low on test. They'll just prescribe you dball like it's fucking crazy. Um, so just just go to like a actually reputable clinic that doesn't focus on bodybuilders and see what they have to say. Um, so that could be the other thing too. Why you could have applied to it Christoph. It could be something that you'd not even noticing unless you saw it on a blood marker so something consider. Um and then to loop it back to what's new this week I think it's this week who's new.

26:33.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

26:42.92

Paul

Um I don't know if we talked about it last week but the ifbb and Npc have introduced um weight caps they're gonna be introducing weight caps to men's physique. Um, so that's really exciting. Okay, yeah, so um, yeah, so basically.

26:51.51

christophknoll

Very nice I think you you mentioned you mentioned it last week you you didn't go in depth but you mentioned it.

27:02.46

Paul

Um I read bit more about it and essentially what it's going to do is what they're doing for the past three years they said they've been taking all the shows that they've run run statistical analyses on men's physique classes the average weights of who won the looks that they're looking for stuff like that. Basically building a database and then um from there they're able to build a weight range for men's physique classes. So they're going to treat it kind of like classic physique where at a certain height or class or whatever it is. You're going to have a certain weight range so like let's say like. 5 8 up, you might be like it might be like 81 to like 96 or some shit like that like I don't know exactly what it's going to be but there's going to be a weight range where you have to be within that range in order to qualify for the show. Um, that's why there's weigh-ins at shows. It doesn't matter for men's physique right now because there's no weight. To weigh in at but typically you go a day or two before the show weigh in and whatever weight you are at that way in as long as you're within the range you qualify for the show. Um, so now it's possible to be disqualified based off a weight which has happened a class of a z competitors. Pretty frequently because they'll try to be on the upper end of the um weight range and end up missing it by like you know point 1 or point £2 and end up being disqualified so you want to be like probably within ideally you want to be as close to that upper weight cap as possible typically.

28:39.66

Paul

Depending on your height and then but really you want to probably give yourself like a half pound in my opinion half pound of like comfort just be like okay this is what I'm aiming for for weight. So that way I'm at least qualified and then you could do a carb up cycle to get back up and wait a little bit if you need to kind of you know. Flesh your system out in order to get that weight. Um, so they're gonna be introducing that anybody who's upset about it. Are you don't deserve to be competing in the first place. Um, that's my opinion I think it's great to have a weight cap I think that if you're too. Ah, if you're upset that it's. Hindering your size or something like that then you should not be competing in men's physique men's physique is going for a specific look and if you're too heavy for these weight caps that they've been studying for years now then it's because you don't have that look so if you're upset about it. It's because you don't have to look. They're looking for. Um. So. It's really exciting for those of us that do compete in men's physique and do go for that look because it's just going to make the competition a bit more like even across the board. Not necessarily fair because they don't really roll aboard guys who are over in size. But. The guys who are also going to be hurt by this um are guys who like might have an overpowering muscle group that could increase their weight for instance Chris Barr which we've talked about before his arms are massive which are like he's like borderline classic size so he might have an issue with his weight cap because.

30:11.20

Paul

He's on the heavier side when it comes to men's physique just because of his arms his torso his trunk his back. They all fit the men's physique look his arms doesn't so he might not actually fit into the weight cap anymore when they introduce it to the npc and the ifpb. So I'm really excited about it because I think this this is. This should have been in place for a long time now. Granted men's Visiki's we only been around for like a little over 10 years. It's not been that long but it's only getting bigger and leaner. So I think now what this is going to do is promote competition to focus on the leaner side of things rather than the bigger side of things so that way you can come in. Dice of the gill has got a specific look um and you fit the look that they're going for you kind of it's more uniform along the height range. Um, the next thing I really want them to do is to standardize the posing. Um, drastically I really. Really want them to really nail down the posing because there's 2 fucking poses literally like there's 2 fucking poses and everyone's doing them differently like what the fuck is going on like there's this one dude who's competing now and he's straight on like he's not even like twisted to like shrink his his waist. He's straight on with the judges I'm like.

31:08.80

christophknoll

You don't want dudes arms up at their shoulders.

31:25.93

Paul

You're not even doing the fucking pose like is not even remotely close like I can understand doing on your hip or you know having your arm dangle but like at least stand properly for the pose. So like I think that they also need to lock that down and they also need to standardize the shorts as well. Um.

31:26.10

christophknoll

Faith.

31:44.99

Paul

I think they need to decide what they want in the shorts because the board shorts have only gotten leaner and shorter each year. Um, so they started off as board shorts back in two thousand and ten eleven twelve they started off as baggy board shorts that foot past your knee that you'd wear to the beach. That was in stylele at the time. That's what you'd wear as a regular as bathing suit. But now the shorts are like my shorts that I got um their're 28 s they like don't even come close to my knee. They're probably like seven inch in seams. Maybe um, they are a few inches off from my knee they show my tear drop. They show my quad sweep.

32:15.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

32:21.00

Paul

You know you look at like Aaron Banks and his shorts are like halfway down his thigh because the dude's fucking tall. So I think they also need to they need to standardize the shorts as well. Um, classic I think they need to ah standardize as well because if you look back four years ago were wearing borderline boxer briefs but now they're wearing like posing trunks that men's open would wear so. It's like slowly gotten smaller and smaller. So like let's go ahead and decide what we're going to use I think like. Not this recent Olympia I think the year before that or the year before that one so like 2022 2021 was like perfect. It wasn't quite boxer Briefs and it wasn't quite posing trunks. It was like kind of in between had a little thickness to it but it gave it like kind of like it like it's like a speedo you're kind of wearing like a speedo almost I think that's a bit better than posing trunks because posing trunks is. For men's open or to 12 but I don't think they need to be wearing the but the box of briefs that they're wearing like 20202019 but that's long on the conversation. They should stand.

33:13.92

christophknoll

No so no, no, no so men's men's ah physique you're go to wear jeans up there. Men's classic. You're Goingnna wear a fruit of the loom we're going to standardize it with fruit of the loom and then ah, men's open. You're just you got nothing. You're up there nude.

33:22.74

Paul

Um, specifically ti.

33:29.32

Paul

Yeah, just a sock.

33:32.75

christophknoll

And and whoever's testicles are not as well as like I like ah as like a almond wins.

33:37.37

Paul

They need to measure they get like 1 of those like calipers and they need to measure each testicle. Nope sorry it's too small. You're not qualified. Yeah, you took way too much shit your your testicles are way too small is like but my duke looks bigger.

33:43.12

christophknoll

Too small you you too much sorry met Jesus Nick Walker my goodness he must have just nothing down there.

33:57.91

Paul

Who knows man it might be the exact opposite they may be swollen shit I have no idea um, injecting straight into your testicles imagine that like fucking GH straight into it right? Your fucking gonad dude right? The dick.

34:05.93

christophknoll

Ah, instead of pinning in your ass. You're pinning and your.

34:12.68

christophknoll

Ah, g.

34:14.85

Paul

Um, but yeah, so that's that's the current Update: We don't know I don't know if we know exactly what the weight ranges are gonna be let me see if they announced it yet. Um oh my gosh I can't fucking type right now. Um.

34:28.46

christophknoll

I can never type so it's all good.

34:34.30

Paul

Me see. So yeah, so they haven't it doesn't seem like um, they've announced the weight ranges yet. Um yeah, so it says Ibb Pro League to introduce heightened weight restriction to the men's physique division. This also includes the npc um, the npc and the ifbb. Work very very close together and I honestly would not be surprised if they're the same owners and same people running it. Um, they've had great success with classic with it because they do have like a classic look like you know when you're looking at a classic dude. Um, so as far as um.

34:59.94

christophknoll

But yeah.

35:12.20

Paul

Me see to to yeah so as far as like the weight ranges nobody really knows yet but some people do have a good point at the only issue that people are seeing to happen. Um, huge and 3 times.

35:32.13

Paul

Um, the the biggest thing that this guy was mentioning that might happen is that because of these weight ranges guys are going to stop training legs so that they can save the weight from their legs and put it towards their upper body. Um that that is a fair critique of the weight ranges. So maybe.

35:41.41

christophknoll

I get that.

35:51.50

Paul

UnkS got it. That's the problem though is that like they say oh we don't judge legs so you could show up and have no legs and have a crazy upper body and win even though you don't really look that good because your legs aren't there but like you can't really necessarily um, ah you know judge their legs because that's been announced. That you can't there's no points. So I don't know we'll see we'll see yeah npc n I pb pro league vice president Tyler Manion I don't know they they shouldn't they should introduce it to npc um, and amateur shows I think but um, we'll see what happens. Yeah so theization.

36:24.10

christophknoll

Yeah I mean that gives it a conformity if you introduce it all around.

36:30.96

Paul

Yeah, exactly. Um, yeah, so we'll see what happens with that is I think it's exciting I'm looking forward to it I'm looking and forward to see what they say about like what the weight ranges are gonna be um and seeing what that's gonna produce out of it I mean only time's gonna tell. But I think it's a good thing. Personally overall I think it's good thing. There could be those guys who don't train their legs and they might get. They might get penalized. You know it might be like even though they don't judge it. It's just based off the proportions. You know, biasedly, they might be like he doesn't really fit the look. You know, even though he doesn't have even though he can't judge Legs. He doesn't have good proportions. You know he doesn't look right? It looks wonky. It's not appealing. It's not aesthetic which could play a role into it who knows we'll we'll have to see what happens? Um, but anyways, that'll take time. Um quick update from me and then we'll get into the main topic for today is um I'm almost wait my ah water cut now. Peak week has officially started so I'm seven days out from the show. So it's peak week um weight or water cut is started. Um so it's vitamin c Monday through Friday or Monday through Saturday increasing the amount of vitamin c each day. Um, and then spreading it out. So like I think I take like four thousand milligrams on Friday so I got to like kind of pace myself with that. Um, don't take 4000 at once you kind of pace yourself, but as far as the water goes today is two and a half gallons and then every day until Friday I decrease it by a quarter of a gallon. Um.

38:02.98

Paul

And then Saturday I think is just sips of water. Maybe just so so that I have water in my system but that's about it. You don't want to have any water besides that. So um, that's currently where we're at um, I'm done and wait definitions coming in vascularity is coming in and I am fully in suffering mode I can tell you that for sure. Um. Just water and black coffee now no energy drinks. No pre-workout. Um my pump is solely coming from pink Andmalaine Salt but like any pump that I get is more noticeable now with more vascularity so it looks like I have more of a pump than I do which is cool. But um, yeah, pink cala salt is like the only thing that increases my blood flow now black coffee just so I have caffeine in my system pre-workout. So I'll just have like ah like an iced coffee with some equal sweetener in it. But we're trying to take out as much artificial flavoring as possible. Um, and then I can't have any seasonings that have additional salt so I got um my reliability now is on mustard. Um, and Mrs Dash which is a seasoning brand. You can buy pretty much any grocery store which is all salt free. Um so I got like there. Yesterday I got like their chili lime which is more lime than chili. It's like 90% lime. But um, it's pretty good. Um, but yeah, so it's just I can't have Montreal steak season now I got to cook my steak bland but we're getting their voice. We're getting there. Um Saturday show is coming up but I think really.

39:36.95

Paul

My coach sent an audio message. Um I think it was Wednesday or Saturday I forget exactly what day it was it was after a weigh in and he kind of called me out little a bit. He was like I could tell that like we needed to kick you in the butt. Um, like you need to put a fire under your ass because it was getting kind of monotonous. Um, we're living the lifestyle of ah of a like long-term bodybuilder where for like a couple of years it was just slight bulk slight cut slight bolt slight slight cut and never really stepping on stage and just just got monotonous where I was like there was no real goals in mind besides like. Right? Let's put on some weight. Let's lose some weight. Let's maintain. Let's you know recomp for a couple weeks like it was just like it wasn't like any harsh goals in mind any timelines any deadlines. So um, we went into the show he kind of was like we he's like I knew that you needed a. A fire lit under your ass to really get everything back in check. So this show coming up isn't necessarily probably going to be like the main focus. Um, we're kind of we're going into knowing that we're probably going to lose the overall now that we know where my body's at um, I'm hoping to win class at least. But. Realistically excalibper which is in August is going to be my show to win which I've said before but he was like yeah really, we're going to have like another two months to like really dial you in and get you an excalibber and like when I go when I show up for excalibper I'm going to show up with like no body fat water is goingnna be out of my system like we're going to show up completely fucking dialed in like.

41:06.13

Paul

Ready to take that sword home.. There's a sickass sword you get in Excalibber. So like we're ready take that sword home. Get that national qualifier this one coming up is gonna be kind of part of prep I think but I am looking forward to stepping on stage at least um it just this shit sucks Man I'm totally in suffering mode and it's torture. Um, it is not fun, but we're pushing Through. We're getting there and the show is right around the corner. So we're almost there.

41:29.88

christophknoll

I was going to say the goal the goal that's been there for a long time is now within sight. So while the sufferings there you got within grasp so you just got to push through it.

41:36.64

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm starting to dream about the show. Yeah, it's it's I'm sleeping and dreaming about the show now I got to dream last night about the show because I'm 7 I'm seven days out so um we're going to probably do a slight carb up cycle. Wednesday Thursday Friday chances are I don't know yet exactly what days probably not going to train Friday maybe Thursday I'm not sure yet, we'll see what days I'm not training um and then show it for the show on Saturday um, ah there is no.

42:04.82

christophknoll

Are you allowed to say what music you're bringing on or do you even get music on what you're doing.

42:11.64

Paul

Ah there's there's no music you get to pick for men's physique. Um, you're only out there for about 15 seconds when you're doing the finals. Um, just because there's only 2 poses. Um, but they play music though. Um throughout the entire division. So. It's like rock. It's like some sort of like heavy metal almost that's like instrumental. There's no singing or anything I think but um, it's good music like don't pick like bad music that's like opera or some shit you know they're picking like good music fits the vibe. Um, can I have mozart or bach.

42:38.61

christophknoll

Hi Yes I'd like to request pitbull playing While. Mr. Worldwide yeah.

42:49.15

Paul

Yeah, walking out. But yeah, so we'll see we'll see what ends up happening. Um one of the guys that I was worried about as far as competition goes. Um he decided drop out I'm really disappointed in a way because um I figured he was going to beat me but I wanted the competition.

43:00.23

christophknoll

You wanted? Well you wanted the competition. Yeah.

43:05.66

Paul

Right? So it's like in 1 way kind of it's kind of sad because he got he got decimated in his show. He he got 15 he got fifth out of eleventh which granted he competed in a big show. Um, so there was more competition at that regional than this one that I'm going to. Um. But he was like men'sique wasn't isn't really where he wants to be which is most guys' situation. They want to be in classic now. It's just the fad. Um, so he's like he wants to take some time off and put on size for classic and just decide to stop competing. Men's susique entirely. Um, which I understand um I get it. Get where he's coming from especially because he's probably like me where he's very competitive and taking fifth out of eleventh um would suck if I got fifth out of eleventh I'd be fucking peeved. Um, so like I get it. It's we're very competitive and it does hurt to lose at really anything. Um I hate losing it anything. And sucks. But um, you got to just push through and persevere and um, you know perseverance within the face of adversity is really going to prove who who wants it the most and if you really the biggest any of the best bodybuilders in the world. What they did when they lost they went to the judges and said hey. What can I improve upon what was the reason that I lost and then don't you don't really really, they won't tell you how you compare to other people just they'll just tell you what your what your flaws were and then you improve upon them. You know if I show up and they'll say conditioning your lowerbilities needs to be more and you know more dialed in and you held a little bit of water.

44:39.83

Paul

Was the reason why you got third instead of first or whatever like all right cool so we know now to di be dialed in for the next show. That's the that's thing we gotta work on or you know your arm size is not quite there. It's not your biggest hindering or whatever like whatever it is. You know? So um, you gotta just use it as a learning experience to move on into the next show and improve upon. Your weaknesses and go to win. So that's the plan here is that most likely going to lose chances are um, the overall. But um, if if I do I get to find out what the issue was and then we can address it going into excalibber which is about six weeks after this show coming up so we'll really be able to get dialed in.

45:19.10

christophknoll

Plus you get to channel your ah your old like sir Arthur vibes when you go to excalibber ah I want well I was going to say the ah the meme of michaelhern on the horse got to just ride in on a horse when you go to this thing. Ah.

45:22.65

Paul

Yeah, yeah, exactly I'll be able to bring in my English heritage.

45:35.72

Paul

Are but selling someone I'm competing in the Ex-calibber and um, they're like is at the gym and they're like oh make sure you bring in the sword when you win it because it's a it's a massive sword. It's not a. It's not a sword. Um, yeah for real.

45:44.56

christophknoll

Oh yeah I mean it's a legit weapon too. You're gonna have to clear that with the gym.

45:52.59

Paul

Um I don't know even know if it's like sharpened it might not be um, let me see.

45:54.75

christophknoll

Hey can I bring in a giant Melee Weapon excuse me. What did you say.

46:01.67

Paul

Yeah, repeat that I didn't I don't think I heard you properly I'm not I remember um when you see if it's I'm pretty sure it's a caliber. Why am I drawing a blank. Why is this saying December. Um.

46:11.44

christophknoll

I mean it would make sense that the excalber you get a sword.

46:17.91

Paul

Yeah, exactly. It's named after the damn sword. So yeah and at south carolina npc excalibber August Twelfth in Charleston South Carolina um so that's the one I'll be going to It's hosted by solid attitude I guess is the host. Or the organization running it. Um me see I'm trying to find where the fucking me see cnpc excalibber we can register, interesting. Um, but yeah, so it's a big sword I don't remember. Um, remember seeing it somewhere I just forget where but yeah, so that'll be that'll be fun and I'm excited for that one because that's the one we're really going for. Um, so.

47:01.21

christophknoll

Yeah, and I remember you saying that you're probably going to get to 90% but this excalber one you're going to be locked in at a hundred or near a hundred. So.

47:10.65

Paul

Yeah, yeah, we're hoping like eighty five ninety percent which which we're getting there for sure. Um abs are way more defined now than ever. Everything's more defined now than ever and we still have another week to go and this week is gonna be the harshest week. Um. So I'm really going to make the most progress in this week coming up. It's going to be daily changes. Um, so we're goingnna get. We should be able to get to eighty five ninety percent no problem but then exalliber is going to be um is goingnna be a hundred percent for sure. So um. that' be that'd be fun I'm I'm really excited to see what I would look like at 100% you know so we'll see in this one.

47:48.66

christophknoll

And that's hundred percent now like it's not even going to be hundred percent a year from now either. It's hundred percent now

47:56.63

Paul

Um, um, yes, it'd be 100% based off the physique that I have now um, hundred percent as in just my conditioning. Yep yep! So um, this this class this one has a true novice.

47:59.79

christophknoll

Yeah, that's what I mean like it. It only gets better like.

48:12.45

Paul

Ah, novice masters and open. Um so open class c is what I'll compete in which is five ten and up. Um there's open class b which is five seven to 5 10 and then open class. a's five seven and under. But there's a novice which is so if I don't win my class I can compete in novice which is. You've competed but you've never placed first in class at another npc show. So hypothetically if I do lose class in both true novice and open at this show then I can compete in novice b and open class c which is five eight and over for novice b but we'll have to see how much that's going to be. I'm not sure quite yet if I'm gonna lose my class or not but we're gonna wait on it. Um, yeah that I'm gonna go into it Amy for the win like don't get me wrong I when I still try to win but I'm not gonna it's not gonna be the end of the world if I don't because this is not the one that we're fully gunning for um.

48:54.81

christophknoll

Model mentality. There is no losing.

49:10.24

Paul

It's okay to lose this one. You know this isn't like the olympia or something like that that I'm aiming for. It's not 1 show it's not one shot you know it's we got another shot in August so that's the plan right now. But.

49:21.99

christophknoll

Hell yeah man.

49:23.24

Paul

Um, so to continue and to kind of what we were talking about when we talked about today which is ah Usa versus european bodybuilders and the federations really? um so can you give us a little introduction on what your thoughts were.

49:35.24

christophknoll

Yeah I mean this stems from I mentioned it earlier and I talked to Paul about all the time but got into audio books and so I picked up Arnold's autobiography that he wrote and so I've been. Ah, this whole conversation that we're going to talk about today stems from this It's something that I texted Paul about but um, essentially I'm someone with a german heritage like germanic background and so I could relate to a lot of what he says in the book but essentially he made an argument and. 1 of his chapters that maybe it wasn't based on placement of shows. So obviously like if you look at modern history for the olympia or like universe any of that even the arnold it's dominated by us bodybuilders like in modern history. So I'm talking like the past twenty thirty years but you go earlier than that it kind of wavers all over the place. But the point being is that the argument came from that in the gym world. So not even bodybuilding or lifestyle or anything just Jim as a whole. People from a european background just have a hardiness and ah like a basically a a tenacity that is not found within the average american lifter. Um, and I tend to kind of agree with that because.

51:02.33

christophknoll

Obviously I know that I can get down to the dumps mentally and then I don't want to lift or do anything but when I'm in there and there's no quit in me and obviously I won't call out anybody but Paul and I have talked about in the past with even people we know who we try and bring to the gym but there's quit in them and there's It's it's not something that I ever have within me when I'm in the gym like even if I have no motivation I'm in there and there's no quit because I just have that drive within me and you know I'm I'm from the us it's I'm not saying I'm international. Um by birth but with my you know. Dual citizenship and my background historically and all that yeah I've dual I have dual citizenship with Germany. Yeah.

51:42.99

Paul

Where you said you had dual citizenship Really I did not know that that's new information for me That's cool when did you get that because you're born here.

51:56.40

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, ah I mean I think I had it since birth because I got grandfathered in from my mother. So I've yep Usa butba. But.

52:04.63

Paul

So how did how did that work because you were born here right? Okay, so but how did you.

52:13.39

christophknoll

I take a lot of pride in my german background. Um I think it was your first when you have a ah person who ah immigrated to the United States your first generation following that gets dual citizenship if they choose to have it so my mother obviously being.

52:29.17

Paul

I Mean why? not.

52:33.42

christophknoll

A first generation to the states. Um her first round of kids so myself my older sister and my younger brother all have dual citizenship just from bloodline just from being there and even though I wasn't born. There might have been might have been.

52:43.32

Paul

Um, yeah.

52:50.78

christophknoll

Consummated there I'm not sure but they conceived there but ah, ah yeah, consummated Yeah wrong word? Um, but the point being that I I got the dual citizenship just from being blood related to my mother. Um, and so but I do take a lot of pride because a lot of my.

52:52.44

Paul

Okay, Constant E you got you got eaten.

53:04.68

Paul

Yeah.

53:10.39

christophknoll

You know lifestyle a lot of my cultural things that I do and especially nutritionally growing up like it. It was all germanic. Um, and so I take you know I group myself I loop myself in with european guys. Um, and I just see that in the gym. And again this is a general statement I'm not saying this is true across the board I'm saying this is a general statement based on anecdotal data that I've seen as well as you know what? I've listened to in Arnold's book but generally speaking. There's almost like a quit. There's almost like a wall that people don't want to push through from the american side of things. Um, and obviously that doesn't apply like to guys like you Paul obviously because you're I mean balls to the wall you you know what? you're doing and you you don't have any quit in you in the gym but there's just a generalized you know lack of pushing through barriers that shouldn't be pushed through in. American people that I've noticed and I don't know if that comes from you know the way our lifestyle is here in the states where everything is more or less everything is given to us like we work for stuff like to make money but we can just buy whatever you want. We don't have to really grind out anything ourselves whereas overseas. It's very very different lifestyle wise. Um, so I think it might come from that but overall and I agree with Arnold in this argument he almost I'm not going to say the word on air but he calls americans very very soft. Um and I kind of agree with that and again in a very generalized state because.

54:43.80

Paul

Um, feeling.

54:47.32

christophknoll

Obviously you know guys like you Paul you're not soft in the gym. So I'm not saying that it's in a generalized state and then I mean even taking that a step further I would open it up to more international instead of just Europe like european because a lot of the dudes that I know that come from the african countries those dudes are I mean.

55:05.21

Paul

Our Africa's a different animal. Yeah, that's a whole another world.

55:07.10

christophknoll

There's nothing taken for granted with them. Yeah, they are absurd. So there's nothing taken for granted and I think that's where a lot of this comes from because here in the states we're able to take so much for granted and if that's what you grew up with your entire life and then you correlate that with your gym ethic. It just kind of goes hand in hand whereas if you grew up having to grind for everything you know obviously I didn't grow up like poor. But you know we had to work for things and that being said like transitioning that into the gym. There's a work ethic. That's applied that. Just don't see and that's why like my own lifting partners like I the the do the I've lifted with the I my soul like if I had a soul a swolmate I guess you could say in terms of lifting partner. It's this dude and he's like just from Albania like so he is not. American and all he these first generation to the states like that is my guy when it comes to lifting and all my friends are obviously us born outside of that and I try lifting and there's just a quit you know I want to keep pushing through a barrier but there's a quit in the in some other people and I don't.

56:06.24

Paul

Yeah.

56:22.34

christophknoll

Particularly enjoy lifting with people like that and again it's not to call out anybody but it's just something that I've noticed and Anecdotally have seen in the gym as well.

56:29.87

Paul

Um, yeah I mean so when you were saying Usa versus Europe I thought you talking about just like bodybuilding federations in general and like the state of bodybuilding versus each continent overall country versus consonant.

56:45.67

christophknoll

Well, that's and that's yeah, that's why I led with you know in modern history past 2030 years it's us dominated and I don't shy away from that I fully understand that. Um and that also has to do with you know how accessible it is like all the major or not all the.

56:49.60

Paul

Yeah.

57:02.91

christophknoll

Primary amount of major shows are here in the states and whether people can even get here is another thing like you know the whole haughty Chon situation that happened for a while um because he just couldn't get a visa to get over here. Um, and so there's things like that that factor into it. Um.

57:04.63

Paul

Um, yes.

57:15.65

Paul

Yeah.

57:22.72

christophknoll

But I I certainly think that there is just something about American lifting that isn't the same.

57:31.73

Paul

Yeah, my opinion is I think um.

57:34.62

christophknoll

And also I'm going to say I say that as I'm wearing an American flag hat.

57:41.81

Paul

Yeah, for real I mean I'm very proud of being American 100% and I'll always believe that we're the greatest country in the world. Um I think in just the way that in in many different ways. Really honestly? Um, but. That's also not to say that we have our own flaws and one of our flaws is um I mean we're a melting Pot. We are truly the most diverse country in the world by a long shot. It's not even close. Um, so you're going to get this melting pod of different cultures and different lifestyles and. Um, typically what happens iske What's happened in the uss case is that um, a lot of people have kind of associated physical hard work as something that's not needed necessarily especially with everybody pushing for college. Um, and white color jobs. It's seen as kind of um, almost like ah like ah frowned upon in a way like blue color jobs are almost fraud Upon now you almost see like construction workers as less than other people which is in the case and ah.

58:45.97

christophknoll

Which is wild because not only are they physically more dominant but they also make more money like 99% of construction people make more money than a regular like white collar.

58:50.92

Paul

Um, a lot of yeah they make especially as they're part of a union if they're part of the union they can make some make some good money and and obviously blue color jobs are all a lot of it's about how many years you put in so the more years you've put in to that career the more you make. But.

59:06.44

christophknoll

Yeah, absolutely.

59:10.76

Paul

Um, the other thing we need to consider too is um with Arnold's statements is that there is a a very large difference between his generation and our generation. So um, he sees it as like he's seeing it from the uss standpoint but a lot of the.

59:20.76

christophknoll

I agree.

59:30.71

Paul

A lot of first world countries are in the same place that we are where instant gratification is what's desired because of social media and technology. Um Tiktok is the one of the biggest culprits of this where when you don't get that small dopamine hit from a good video. You just keep scrolling until you find another one. It's that instant gratification. There's no, there's no effort put into it in order to receive that you know that dopamine that that gratification where something like physical labor something like physical fitness and even mental health rate at that point is um, not really put in a lot of effort in order to get there. Um. You know when it comes to like mental health There's a lot of things. A lot of people can do that will help bring about a better a better lifestyle. But the reason the like really where we're at now is just prescribing shit for everything um a kid can't sit still in class now in school and. And like if they can't sit in class. Still they get prescribed something at the doctor. It's like maybe maybe it's not the kid that's broken. Maybe it's the system that's broken and that's the reality is that it's not necessarily the people that are the issue it's the system that's the issue and it promotes. Less and less physical activity. Um, so I think that's kind of where Arnold's coming from is that his generation. Um, there was no instant gratification yet to work for everything and he's also coming from Austria where his his parents were farmers. So it's a different it was a different lifestyle even for him in comparison to a lot of the us when he came over here.

01:01:02.80

Paul

You know he came to Venice. He moved to Venice California um right off of Austria I think I think it was Venice and he's like looking at these dudes who are lifted on the beach and girls are checking them out and they're getting all these chicks and whatnot where he was just he just had to like fight. Not really fight literally but like basically fight his way out of Austria. In order to make it over to us oh I didn't realize he had to serve. Um, yeah, other countries have it too.

01:01:22.90

christophknoll

Oh I did he did have to fight because he had to be in the ah in the service literally had to it's it's a mandatory thing over in Austria and it's I can't recall in Germany but it's a mandatory like. 2 3 year enlistment right out of or when you turn 18.

01:01:38.69

Paul

I know Israel I know Israel does that too. It's it's a minimum of two years and or in Israel to serve I get it. Um I don't know it would be the worst thing if we had that here I think I think it would kind of put a lot of people in their place and teach a lot of lessons.

01:01:45.10

christophknoll

Yep.

01:01:54.93

Paul

Um I think it would be overall beneficial. But then again I Also don't want. There's a lot of people out there that should not be serving in the military or should not have remotely a firearm in their hands. So that's another That's a whole nother issue. But um, yeah, so you had to get his way over here and he's looking at these dudes in the beach and's like Wow these guys had it.

01:01:55.14

christophknoll

Yep.

01:02:14.16

Paul

Like have it. Nice. You know this is granted he still had to work really hard. He still had all of his jobs and acting classes and whatever. But um, that's a state that of the the world that we currently live in and that's why he sees us as Soft. It's just not not necessarily in my opinion. It's not necessarily the Us the gishest in general first world countries are now soft in comparison to what he grew up In. Um, which is the reality but the other thing to consider too is that each generation is supposed to set up the next generation to have an easier life than the previous generation. So We're our like tech. Typically what happens is like our generation's goal is to make the next generation have an easier life than we did. So it progressively gets easier and we could progressively progress as a species as a country as a culture. Um, so that's the other.

01:02:58.42

christophknoll

And the unfortunate side of the unfortunate side of that is that that's now waning away from physical attributes and masculinity.

01:03:08.30

Paul

Essentially yes, um, that's it is becoming a problem now because we've progressed. It's almost like it's like um, it's like ah it's like elastic. It's like an elastic band. It's just snapping back in the opposite direction. Um. And it's it's resulted in crazy crazy shit I mean you just look at social media now. It's absurd. Um I wouldn't even get too far into it. But um, that's why like even just the gym itself like less than like five percent of people. Whatever it is go to the gym on a regular basis. Like more than 4 times a week or something. Um I think it's like 20% overall go at least once a week I think the other 80% don't all. Um yeah, and that's that's a sad reality that we live in. It's not even that necessarily need to go to the gym in particular but like really participating in physical activity.

01:03:49.80

christophknoll

Wild.

01:04:02.29

Paul

On a regular basis is really important from physical and mental health. Um, but with the state of today I can't really necessarily say whether or not the us is in a better position than the eu is just because the Eu has. Much better health standards um than the us does the Fda is fucking corrupt as shit. Um, and is a joke ah most the shit that we have that the you the Eu has banned. We still have allowed so you talk to anybody who's been to the eu and they'll tell you that they feel amazing while they're there. And it's because the food is much healthier. Um, you're not eating like insane amount of preservatives and bread. For instance I mean everything's like way way healthier. They don't have corn syrup over there that's outlawed like there's so much shit that just isn't in the diet of. The average european that is in the diet of the average american and australian for that matter Australia is in the same place as we are essentially and that's why we have such health problems here is because of all this bullshit that's in everyone's diet and focusing on the wrong things. We've talked about this before but. Focusing on their own shit like artificial sweeteners and stuff people are like oh it's so bad for you but let me go ahead and go over here and drink my corn syrup. It's like it's the the focus isn't isn't correct and I would love if we can adapt the same food standards that the eu has it would be amazing. But.

01:05:26.42

Paul

That's never going to happen because the Fda is corrupt. It's all bought by large food corporations and they they don't really actually care about the health of the american citizen they all that really care about is satisfying. The people who pay for their funding. Um, that's all that that matters to them. So. We're never going to get to that point. It's never going to be the reality. The only way we could is if each state is treated like a country in the eu where each state is its own country and we all contribute individually towards a federation like that. That's how the eu works they have. Governing bodies that look over multiple countries. Um, but when it comes to the actual individual countries like they have much more powers in these governing bodies. But they also have to follow the rules of these governing bodies. Um, the un united nations essentially is an example of that. Um.

01:06:18.66

christophknoll

If if each state over here becomes a a individualized like institution then you can bet you sweet bippy I'm coming down South I'm not I'm not letting the ah I'm not letting what's going on up here take over completely.

01:06:26.72

Paul

Oh yeah for sure yeah yeah I mean that would never happen. But that's the only way we could possibly get there unless we had a full reconstruction of the Fda and just abolish it completely.

01:06:39.92

christophknoll

A.

01:06:42.98

Paul

Um, which at that rate we might as well abolish like pretty much every or other organization that's out there too including the Fbi and Cia and shit like just getting rid of all of it and just replacing it with something new. Um I think we should definitely do that at some point but that'll never happen probably um issues the problem we're gonna always be facing and that's I think the. Really the bottom line for what arnold is saying at the end of the day so it's it's the world. We live in and we just have to deal with it. The best way we can and we're outliers in the sense that we're an extremely niche part of fitness in itself which fitness. Already is relatively niche. So um, it's hard for us to really explain what it's like to other people but we can't I mean we can't waste our breath too much on it because it's never, we're never going to get it across anybody.

01:07:31.63

christophknoll

Yeah, absolutely and I think more so I'm on the forefront in this argument in the sense that I see or I get a lack of enjoyment lifting with you know people that I know compared to you know my 1 the 1 lifting partner that I've met that can. Actually push through the especially on like leg day push through like that pain barrier that so many people just stop. It. You know what I mean and obviously that comes to dedication to and understanding a goal like I have a goal to step on stage like next year like I have something in mind and he has.

01:07:56.86

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:08:09.82

christophknoll

His own goals of wanting to look the way he wants to look and some people just don't have those goals which is another thing like this whole mindset of going to the gym to get healthier but nobody actually envisions what healthier looks like and so they just go aimlessly and absentmindedly into the gym.

01:08:27.80

Paul

Are.

01:08:29.47

christophknoll

And then you get people who are actually goal-drive and know like hey I want to increase my biceps by like two centimeters by the end of next or not next month like two months from now like that's a like a goal in mind with an actual understanding of what that goal looks like and so. Having that I think applies to the conversation as well because like I set these goals in my mind. Ah, but before every lift every lift is tiered towards something and if I don't have a goal then I'm not going to lift because otherwise like your mental side of things is.

01:08:58.43

Paul

Ah, you and.

01:09:07.20

christophknoll

A huge part of how you make gains too. Um, and so I set these goals and it's just how I was raised with this kind of lifestyle and you know raised Super German even though I was living here in the states. Um, so I think that's just why I make this argument that not saying. Anyone's better than anyone else, but saying that the work ethic is dominant compared to the you know take for granted lifestyle that the state says.

01:09:36.52

Paul

Yeah I mean I think Also um I think one of the biggest things too is um, culture plays a big role within a family like the family culture. Um, what is taught to.

01:09:46.93

christophknoll

E.

01:09:51.77

Paul

Kids from the parents plays a big role into how they um, go about even just trading in the gym. Um, because most people can't really bring themselves to failure excuse me to failure. It's just not in their mind it it just they can't really compute. It. Um. You know, pushing yourself like that some people just it's just not It's just not part of them. Um, so like that kind of plays into it. Ethnicity also plays a big role as well. Um, you know the base foundation of ah, people's different Dna and where they're from plays a big role I mean I'm kind of a mixture. Of like Northeastern Europe english and french um, so like how I work works a little bit differently than how someone who has eastern asian descent. Um, so that I think also plays a big role so there's a lot more to it than simply you know is not.

01:10:50.60

Paul

Um, there's a lot of gray. There's a lot of nuance when it comes to um how different countries and how different people in different countries react to ah are adverse I Guess adversity of really hard work if you look at a place like. I would argue even that to like on average I would argue that the average American is a harder worker than most European workers because of the way government is set up. There's a lot more um, ah infrastructure for ah, essentially. Assistance within the Eu countries just how they work they're leaning more socialist not that they all are socialist but they're leaning more in that direction than we are So There's a bit more assistance in general life in in that those countries than there is here. Um.

01:11:43.73

christophknoll

See I push against that because the amount of people that we have here who just have manipulated the system to on like food stamps or ebt or any of that and or unemployment and literally just. Choose not to go back and that's not like a small percentage either. That's like I think I saw percentage that like 23% of americans post covered are choosing not to work like an absurd amount.

01:12:12.50

Paul

I don't I don't know how that is correct just because I know poverty is like I think it's like 15% or something 15% is under that. Okay, um, yeah I mean the other thing.

01:12:19.22

christophknoll

Yeah, but it's it's both. That's that's my point we have both people people who figured out how to manipulate it and people who haven't figured out how to manipulate it.

01:12:31.00

Paul

Yeah I mean the other thing you got to consider too is that each state is a little bit different so there are more systems set up in Massachusetts for that than versus like Texas um, so I think it also depends on geography as well within the us and also our population is so much higher than any other country in the eu for that matter. So as another thing to consider. But um, I'm just saying like on average, especially precovid I would definitely say that I would definitely argue that the average worker the average employed person in the us um is a harder worker than that in the eu. That's just my opinion and it's also comes down to leadership. Hierarchy and how leadership is driven um, a lot of Eu countries the leadership style in the eu um is a lot of ah, kind of like like ah.

01:13:17.37

christophknoll

Oh.

01:13:25.10

Paul

There's there's like two sides of it. You're going to have like the really high ups this is something I've read about you're going to have the really high ups who are just like really telling people what to do but then like middle management and employees are all kind of like level playing field. So there really isn't no like there's bosses and then there's like people who just have different titles really was what it comes down to. So like that's a little bit different than here where here it's more of like a linear structure. It's more like this person reports to this person reports to this person who reports to this person and there's like a clear chain. Um, you know obviously each country is going to vary I think Sweden has a different leadership style where it's like you have like teams of people and then managers will will pop in and out. As needed. So their job is solely managing the team where here managers a lot of the time have jobs on top of managing people when they aren't managing people. So um I think leadership also plays a big role here. Um military wise I would.

01:14:22.47

Paul

Like no military comes you remotely close to us in my opinion like it's not even remotely close. Um, no, no country comes closer to military and I would I would put my my life in the hands of the Us military every single time. But then again. The quality of the person joining military is typically higher um than people who don't like it's like you're going to typically see a better better people in the military. A lot of the time harder workers in the military than people who aren't in the military on average I would say um, but you know that's a whole different world as far as.

01:14:58.48

Paul

Fitness goes training all of that. It's just I think a lot of it. A lot of it. A lot of it just comes strictly down to the instant gratification that people just want people just need that instant gratification. They need those constant dopamine hits and when they don't get it after a couple weeks of hard work. They quit. Because it's like what's the point I don't see any results yet and it's like we haven't put enough time in yet, you have to put in the time and it's like oh you look crazy dude like you look amazing. It's like well it's taking me 4 years to get here or whatever like it's like you know it just it. It takes a lot of time to get to a certain point and people don't want to put in that time. But at least you and I know is that the way the way I try to explain it and the way it worked for me was that it's a lifestyle it kind of becomes part of you and people need to get to that point it takes a while but when it becomes part of you. It's hard. You could never really drop it like even when I'm retired from bodybuilding and done bodybuilding I'm still go to train I'm still gonna go to the gym. You know it might be like 4 times a week or something just kind of maintain but I'm still gonna train I still love what I do It's a part of who I am now but people don't want to get to that point where it is a lifestyle where it is. Part of who they are. It's it's too long. It takes too long so it's just that. It's just the world we live in it just sucks. You know I wish we could change. But.

01:16:13.44

christophknoll

That's like ah that old not old, but um, that tate ah Aidan Ross little segment they had where in Russ says like what's the fastest way to get abs and tate not a you know, not from the us says.

01:16:25.70

Paul

A.

01:16:29.68

christophknoll

Ah, why should abs be easy. Why should you want to get it the the fast way you should want to work towards this and you know Ross is just kind of sitting there baffled and like that's like the mindset that I'm kind of referring to but the military thing that you brought up like us military folk the gym.

01:16:37.60

Paul

Um, to something I um.

01:16:48.87

christophknoll

Things that and fitness things they got posted out of their wild. Those dudes have drive like no one else like the lieutenant you know, squatting 6 plates and then going in sir like doing it like a tour like are you kidding me? ah.

01:16:55.40

Paul

Yeah I mean that's um.

01:17:05.28

Paul

Yeah that's I mean the military I know people who've been in the military and have used atabolics and they'll talk about where like it's it's it's always it's very much like um, don't ask don't tell and it's like it's so like widely used the military It's crazy. So like that's why you got these fucking units in the military like they'll join us scriny kids to come out as a unit. Um, just because they're using anabolics and especially in other countries. That's so easy to get anabolics like even Mexico you can go out of Mexico and just get like anabolic steroids for like almost nothing. Um, so.

01:17:28.65

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:17:42.50

Paul

It's ah it's definitely a different world um than the average Civilian life. You know, um, you talk to anybody in the military and they'll tell you it's It's very interesting. It's very very interesting um to see that and there's been photos I've Seen. Of people. Um like there's like a dude walking through a barracks and somebody is like think Gaudy's on our side I'm like this dude's on copious amounts of anabolics like this dude's got me on crazy amount of de ball like he looks fluffy as Fuck. Um. But that's just that's just how it is. You know it's just um, it's That's how military is I don't know how how what else to add to that. But um, yeah, it's it's it's Interesting. It's different than what people assume people assume that the military is strict on drug use On. Um. You know, keeping all of that shit out, but it's not the reality they just they really just don't care. They don't care enough at least? Um, so it's it's Interesting. It's kind of funny to hear more about it when I talk to people about it.

01:18:50.86

christophknoll

Yeah, and I don't know I think that bringing that now to like the ah to the bodybuilding side of things this is where you know the Us dominates in terms of bodybuilding wins and who's.

01:19:01.97

Paul

Yeah.

01:19:07.32

christophknoll

Taking home the trophies and everything it's just absolutely dominated by US people um and I think that's just the kind of like the the change of um, what bodybuilding looked like because bodybuilding wasn't that big back in you know.

01:19:10.90

Paul

Oh absolutely.

01:19:25.96

christophknoll

Early on I'm talking like sixty seventy s like in the states. It wasn't huge here but now it's kind of so shifted where it's bigger here than it is in most other places I mean obviously there's the like the the middle eastern countries I mean no one's ever going to take bodybuilding from them. But um, overall. The states just has this popularity here that is absolutely absurd and it's better. It's better for bodybuilding I think because we have the resources here in the states to provide you know sponsorships or provide name recognition and things like that like obviously. Arnold comes from Austria but if he was walking around the streets of anywhere in the states. He's recognized because here in the states. That's how it is whereas going back to other countries that might not be the case like obviously.

01:20:08.87

Paul

The.

01:20:18.50

christophknoll

Not everyone obviously you and I know but and not but not everyone's going to know like the name Jay Cutler or Ronnie but enough people would in the states where if they walked around even today and 2023 they would be noticed and I think that's kind of where the change has been although.

01:20:32.70

Paul

Um, it's.

01:20:37.20

christophknoll

For the olympia at least we're we're kind of regressing from US winners I mean hadie this year big big Rami year before like I mean I know that's 2 years but it's it's it's a little bit of a change.

01:20:43.46

Paul

Yeah I mean.

01:20:52.97

Paul

Um, I mean I think um, that's that's a whole nother world because like I mean if you really look at the history. Um, most winners of the olympia are american Roddy Coleman um Jay Cutler ah Phil Heath Lee Haney all american and they hold the most amount of olympias especially combined. Um the really the biggest outliers are like couple of smatterings of 1 are you know 1 winning here and there like rammi and hadi choupin.

01:21:13.22

christophknoll

Yep.

01:21:25.99

Paul

But ah, you also got like ah the bigger ones are like Dorian Yates and really arnold are the only other one. The only big like outside the us winners that won multiple years in a row or wrote won really multiple years. Um, so I mean I still think that like americans in general really dominate the bodybuilding world. Um. As far as like the top level bodybuilders go um I think what's what's ers is he german. Okay, yeah, but then you look at seabum who's canadian and what fuck I can't like it's like we can't really root for him being in I mean he lives in America now but like.

01:21:49.53

christophknoll

Or is this german big time. That's that's our pride and joy right. There. Yep. Yeah, but can Canada is not a real country so you can you can loop them in as american.

01:22:05.60

Paul

He's not an american technically so it can't be like yeah Canada's fake everybody's mouths are split split. You know like from South Park um but yeah, so that's I don't know that's I think bodybuilding wise we definitely dominate.

01:22:13.64

christophknoll

Exactly.

01:22:25.31

Paul

By a long shot so ifbb and npc npc I believe is American Ibb is western europe and pretty much everywhere else. Um Eastern Europe and Russia is iafbb elite or ipb elite. I think ib pro elite division or something. It's it's elite is what its called elite I vb pro or something. It's a different difference like genre or really I guess like organization I don't even know if it's really connected to the ibb I'd have to look more into it but their level of competition is nowhere near our level of competition. Um, and that was proven because we for a while I'm sure you know who Michael Crizzo is for a while Michael Crizzo was like people were like holy shit this guy could really be like a Mr Olympia if he can get his ib card because he can't compete in the ibb until he got his Ipb card. Not his Ipb Elite League that doesn't translate so he'd had to get his ibb and he's from rush I think think he's russian sort of like holy shit he could actually be like a real contender here. He came over here and got like fourteenth or some shit. It's like okay all yeah competition is not quite what we thought it was so that was interesting to see.

01:23:32.91

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:23:40.83

Paul

Um, but um, so like that's that's the thing between Eastern Europe and the us I will say personally I feel that the Eu. Side of ifbb definitely treats it more like an art than american bodybuilding does american bodybuilding a lot of it is about being a freak and looking crazy where in the eu I think especially on the smaller side like classic or 122.

01:23:58.68

christophknoll

E.

01:24:12.30

Paul

There's a lot more people who are focused on the aesthetics and art behind. You know, posing and building. Ah ah, a great physique versus the us. So I will give them that for sure. Um, but that's also up to opinion my favorite poser of all time so far. Um. He's french and lives in France and competes in France or will compete in the eu and I think he's light years ahead of any other poser here. Um.

01:24:36.93

christophknoll

Well everything is art respectfully everything is art over in France like everything you do is considered like an art form because of how the culture is built so posing. Especially absolutely I can I don't blame you 1 bit for that.

01:24:46.56

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:24:53.11

Paul

Yeah, so that's just that's the way I see it. But again the I Pb Elite League um is a different world entirely than the ivb league on this side but we also got a bigger and bigger industry down in Brazil. Um, that's getting bigger. Um some of the best bodybuilders are kind of coming out of Brazil now Ramon's one of them. um Rafa Endel um Rafa Endel um rifa endow dow. Um I forget his last name he's coming out of there. He was classic but now he's open.

01:25:17.91

christophknoll

Dino.

01:25:29.85

Paul

Um, and then there's a couple others I know um Sergio Giga or something like that I forget his name exactly um, he comes out of Brazil so like there's a lot of these bigger guys coming out of Brazil now which is kind of cool. Um. But still the vast majority of the best competitors are all in the Us. So bodybuilding wise we still dominate and armrnold could never argue could never argue with that. Um, it's not even close.

01:25:56.68

christophknoll

Yeah, and I think it's just like you said the the time like the generation and like he had such like when he came to the states he brought bodybuilders from overseas with him I mean it took time but he brought people over with them and. That kind of integrated into the American bodybuilding scene. Um, but I think also at the same time back then like we mentioned earlier bodybuilding wasn't in it. You weren't in it for the money you were in it because you ah enjoyed the sport you enjoyed like what you are exactly and so.

01:26:15.51

Paul

Yeah.

01:26:30.47

Paul

Um, he's loved it. Yeah.

01:26:33.72

christophknoll

These guys who came overseas were like are coming from overseas were doing it because they wanted to compete in front of the best and like as a group do it? Um, and then the on the reverse side nowadays. There's such a financial. Benefit to it that you can be doing it from here in the states and actually make a living off of it you it might not even be tied to um. The love anymore if someone just knows they're good at something and want to make money off of it. That's part of it like they could actually take no enjoyment out of it but they know they're making money and because of that they're just here and doing it. You know.

01:27:17.68

Paul

Right? right? Um I'll move run to the bathroom real quick I'll be right back 1 sec can you can you pause it? Yeah, you can pause? Yeah I I'll cut that out of the video when we go to save this all I'll right back.

01:27:20.52

christophknoll

Yeah I'll I'll clip. Oh Yeah I can pause whoop. Oh I'm having connection error. Yeah.

01:27:35.46

Paul

We got a piece So damn bad.

01:29:34.85

Paul

Here you? okay I got a sub recording though I got a half hour all right sorry about that also took like the quickest fucking dump because I damn your shit myself.

01:29:48.39

christophknoll

You're good.

01:29:51.74

christophknoll

See.

01:29:54.30

Paul

When I was peeing I was peeing so hard I damn your shit myself so I was like alright, let me just take a quick dump all right? So 3 to 1 resume. Um, so yeah I think that the direction. So here's my thing. So. It's great that there's a lot more money in it because it is a very very difficult sport I would argue. It's one of the hardest sports out there. So there is a lot more incentive now to really push yourself than just being the best obviously that is a big driver. But um, what I hope is that it doesn't go in the direction that other sports have gone in. Which is like which you probably can attest to this firsthand is that when there is money and there is success involved. Parents will push their kids really hard in order to be the best at it. So I hope it doesn't go in that direction. Um to speak even further on that.

01:30:37.40

christophknoll

E.

01:30:46.83

Paul

Skateboarding and downhill skateboarding or really downhill longboarding is where one of my sports that came from is you know stuff. But um, they introduced skateboarding to the olympics. Um and a lot of the skateboarding community is like um both it's like weirdly on the fence because we're like in 1 hand It's great to see that it's getting more recognition but also it's like we don't want. We didn't want skateboarding to become one of the sports where parents push their kids to practice and get better at it when the point of skateboarding was an escape from reality. It was something that we just love doing There is no money in skateboarding really especially downhill skateboarding like racing There is no money in that like where downhill skateboarding is I mean is really dead now. At this point we're just sad but where downhill skateboarding was when I was into it was like the beginning of bodybuilding like there's no money in it like. You you did it because you loved it. There was no like like it cost more to race in what was called the um idf that international downhill federation. The idf throughout the world people would travel and race it costed way more to travel and race than actually did. Like than actually what you won like you you were losing money by going around and racing. So really, it just came down to sponsorships and shit that's where people made money. Um, but like there really was no money in it kind of like what bodybuilding was so like introducing more money and more opportunities.

01:32:00.71

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:32:16.59

Paul

For financial incentive does sometimes push it in a direction that the original people who did it for the love of it. Don't want to see it go and I think that's like in 1 way that's kind of how I feel about bodybuilding I want there be more money in the bigger shows especially but I think I don't. I don't want people to start focusing on getting sponsorships when they're not ready yet. Um or like trying to get like I don't know I see it already where guys will get so like endorsed or like become an ambassador of a bullshit fucking supplement company that messaged them on Instagram.

01:32:53.26

Paul

Um, and it's it's harmful to the industry. Um, so I hope that we go in a direction where even though there is money involved. There's still those of us that do it for the love of it I don't do it for the money like I've been. It's been nothing but losing money whole time.

01:33:09.68

christophknoll

I was going to say it's a money sink on the on the not even the amateur side but even getting to the amateur side like where I meant like it's such a money sink right now.

01:33:11.79

Paul

So oh it's so so oh yeah, yeah, it's it's called a rich person sport is what bodybuilding is called like you can't be poor and compete. Really I mean some people have been able to do it but like. Not nearly to the quality that you should be able to do it like you, you need to be at least like like in the us like it obviously financial standing is going to vary from person to person. But like if you could you should probably be able to average at least like $600 plus a month towards it in order to comfortably be able to do it.

01:33:31.57

christophknoll

E.

01:33:50.44

Paul

Um, my coach alone is a good chunk of that and you know that doesn't account for like my amount I probably spend a month probably equals to about that probably six hundred bucks a month and a lot of that's food. A lot of that's protein. Um, gym membership is the least amount like people look what like I don't have do 2 gym memberships. But when people do it's like they're like oh what are you? 2 gym memberships and so much money it's like dude this is pennies on top of what I fucking pay for food and shit. You know it's not much so it is a very expensive sport and.

01:34:14.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:34:21.92

Paul

Ninety Nine Point Nine nine percent of people don't get to the pro level. It's the reality. They don't most guys don't have the genetics to compete to to get their pro card most guys most guys what ends up happening is most guys go to do one show realize how hard prep is and then quit. And even then before we even get there. Most guys are at the point where they can even stick to like like I know one guy who wanted to become a bodybuilder but quit because like shortly after getting a coach because he couldn't have pizza. And it's like dude if you're willing to give up bodybuilding because you can't have pizza then you weren't you didn't really actually want it in the first place you know I mean yeah, that's how it was he.

01:34:55.79

christophknoll

Yep.

01:35:00.44

christophknoll

Ah, oh busted when you whenever you have a piece of pizza. Yeah, just this this this is a snack.

01:35:14.30

Paul

Yeah, this is the whole ask pizza. This is a snack This don't count. This is something I have on the weekends bro.

01:35:16.54

christophknoll

I wish I could still eat a whole pizza. Not even like for the fact that diet was but my body just doesn't let me eat a whole pizza anymore I used to go through 2 medium pizzas from dominoes in a single night and I just can't even eat like more than 2 slices now.

01:35:26.80

Paul

Then.

01:35:33.56

Paul

I Wonder like I wonder where ah where I'll be because like next weekend after my show I'll be able to get a couple days of like whatever I want I Wonder if I'm able to eat as much as I want or if I'm. More on the side of like not being able to eat much because I've been eating so little for a while you know like I'm barely eating anything right Now. So I Wonder how much my stomach can handle when we go to eat bigger meals like I Wonder if I can I because I've been able to for a long time. Been able to complete a large pizza. No problem and eat the whole thing myself.

01:35:49.61

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:36:04.26

Paul

So I wonder if I'm able to do that which I'm going to see we'll see where we're at if I can have whatever I want I'm definitely going to try to get pizza green lit and definitely get like a crazy good pizza just eat the whole thing myself like 1 large pizza for me, please all we'll see what happens.

01:36:12.46

christophknoll

And it won't even be like like hunger wise you'll absolutely be able to do it. It's just going to be whether or not it. You know can fit into what you're working with yeah digestion wise.

01:36:20.28

Paul

Oh for sure I could stomach yeah, exactly right? So I mean I do know this weekend coming up which I'm so excited for I'm so excited for the show this weekend's gonna be fun, but it's gonna be the show. Know a good dinner afterwards. Usually they split it up so we'll see when I'm actually able to eat my dinner um but typically from what I've seen you go out with your coach previous shows that I've seen um my coach will go out with his clients that have competed. Um, so like that might be that might be cool to actually have a meal with him I've never had a meal with him. And then I'm so far he said that that weekend Saturday Sunday for sure I'll be able to get whatever I want so the next morning Sunday morning we're going to brunch because my mom will be down here and man as long as it's still greenlit and I'm not like back on prep starting that Sunday I'm gonna just stuff my face with pancakes man. I'm already on I'm like I want fucking pancakes pancakes maybe a little bit of bacon and that's it like I was like I just want pancakes and just syr up and fucking the just fucking. Oh I can't wait. It's gonna be so good. 1 look go do it.

01:37:28.50

christophknoll

But you like that's a big part of it like people not understanding that level of dedication like giving up that level of food. Yes.

01:37:35.72

Paul

Oh it's absurd. You got to be fucking crazy like I will you gotta be crazy to do this shit like I understand so here's my thing like I I completely understand people not being to bodybuil 100% I'm not saying you should be on bodybuild I love it. I can never. Fully explained why I love it. But when it comes to fitness I think everybody should go to the gym and ideally or do some sort of fitness hiking. Whatever it is long walks. Whatever it is running biking. Whatever it is um so my thing is. When it comes to bodybuilding is that you do have to be quite a bit crazy in order to do this shit like I got up at 7 a m this morning on Saturday walk my dog so that they were calm down they would wake up my wife walk them with a with a sweatirt in pants in the summer and North Carolina I walk I went to my apartment gym and did 40 minutes of fasted incline treadmill at ° three point two miles an hour to the point where like my chest is harding I'm so hungry like I'm like I could feel to my chest like it hurts I can even drink like I have to take sips of water because if I don't.

01:38:39.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:49.60

Paul

It feels like like fire going down my system because I'm so hungry. Um, it's the it's you got to be a little crazy to do this shit. Um grained prep especially the like now where I'm at now is not maintainable. This is not something I can do forever and if this if this is the like how life had to be. More than like I could probably do this max like four weeks until I call it to quits like peak week and like the last like well really the last two weeks of prep if I had to do that like for longer than four weeks or even six weeks I probably wouldn't be able to do it like this shit is so deteriorating. Um.

01:39:23.81

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:39:27.18

Paul

It's not even funny and it's like trying to chew gum and drink water and E cucumber slices just to make it to your next meal kind of takes a lot of mental strength. So um, this is not something that's maintainable but you like I said you do got to be a little crazy to do this shit. So I Totally understand if somebody's not really into a dish just. My problem is when somebody um like doesn't even really put in the effort like that guy that I was telling you about like he doesn't even really like he'd even try you know So That's that's when I have a problem with this just like dude you didn't even try.

01:39:55.66

christophknoll

O. Yeah, and also I mean the the crazy part gets applied in the gym too like who wants to look at you know, £400 and say I think I should pick that up today like we're tapped. We're tapped.

01:40:02.92

Paul

Um.

01:40:16.90

Paul

Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, let me let me go ahead and do hacksquat until I throw up like like it's you it takes a special kind of person. Um, so I don't know it's it's It's pretty. It's pretty wild. But um, that's also another problem too is.

01:40:21.43

christophknoll

Yep.

01:40:33.12

Paul

You do it I can't stand that you do it when you throw up and you you see it as like hard work I'm like no I mean no, that's bad tying for food. That's all it is Nope That's where we disagree.

01:40:38.20

christophknoll

hell yeah, hell yeah that's I I so no I strive for that I strive for that. Well ah whenever whenever you and I step on the o stage. Um. Where I'm going to take the german citizenship just to ah prove my my argument today and and and slap that on there. Yeah Christopn. No german while I'm wearing like an American American Flag hat

01:40:54.26

Paul

Um, will he.

01:40:57.87

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:41:05.28

Paul

German Forgive Miss Fuck a nazi but wo not that serious. Um, yeah know I I don't know I get where you're coming from.

01:41:10.70

christophknoll

Ah, whoa. Yeah.

01:41:21.96

Paul

But a lot of it I Just think that anone needs to take into account the differences in generations early at the end of the day. That's my.

01:41:25.21

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean he was writing from the 70 s like it wasn't like he was yeah, got produced now. But it's it's writing from the 70 s speaking of speaking of Arnold though I forgot to give this update my copy of the the modern.

01:41:33.66

Paul

Right.

01:41:41.81

christophknoll

Excite encyclopedia or the encyclopedia of modern bodybuilding is arriving today. So I'm going to have a nice reading day of Arnold's best work. The original came out seventy I don't know maybe maybe early eighty s he.

01:41:50.66

Paul

Um, when did when did he publish that.

01:42:01.62

christophknoll

Put it out. Um, but I got the modern revised one. Um, so going to be a heavy reading day today 800 pages it's an encyclopedia bro you ever seen encyclopedia it's like.

01:42:07.42

Paul

Yeah, how long is it. You know how long it is wow! Really yeah, but it's just body building how the fuck do you feel 800 pages of like modern bodybuilding and shit that's wild.

01:42:21.10

christophknoll

Yeah, it's all exercises and diet. It's everything you need? yep.

01:42:29.31

Paul

That's wild I don't know what I would need from that like I don't know what I would gain from that That's a lot of fucking information I mean granted, granted the Ace training.

01:42:39.16

christophknoll

Yep, right.

01:42:42.19

Paul

Book I think is like 800 something pages but that also covers everything outside bodybuilding like it's like it doesn't really touch on bodybuiling that much. It's like um, it really touches on just training and um, what's it called? Ah like. Longevity and health and stuff like that and they talk about food and stuff so there's a lot more to it than just um, simply bodybuilding so like the 800 pages of just bodybuilding is fucking wild. That's insane.

01:43:08.40

christophknoll

Yeah, like next week when we're record I just know everything there is to know about everything and I'm I'm omniscient. Yeah yeah, oh the didn't you send me 1

01:43:17.50

Paul

Yeah, you're like you're like that Meme was like I know more than you.

01:43:25.84

christophknoll

You go to a new gym and the fit they're trying to get you on a fitness ah membership and you're like I know more than you.

01:43:29.88

Paul

Yeah, it's like when you travel to new gym and they're like oh would you like a personal training package and it's like I know more than you and it's like yeah, that's that's literally how it is. It's like I was when I was looking at gyms for um, going down. Ah ah Florida this past week. Um, they were like oh yeah, we have I was like I'm I'm looking to other around for gyms because I'm in prep and just want to make sure that what Jim I go to is pretty good or whatever and he was like he's like oh yeah, we have um well we have like he's like this great gym. We have personal trainers to help out with that and my mind I'm like. I know more than them way they can't help me there'd be they'd be expensive spotters is what they would be I'm good Thanks.

01:44:10.76

christophknoll

Yeah, exactly I mean you can get spotters for free. So don't even waste your time. Yeah I I was at the gym yesterday heading back and I went to do my grip strength is slowly coming back and my.

01:44:17.46

Paul

Yeah, yeah, if I just ask someone. It'd be fine. Um, so it's.

01:44:29.68

christophknoll

Strength overall is slowly coming back. So I threw on 4 plates on on each side for my rack pulls and someone who knew that I went through the injury was like hey do you want to spot and I was like how are you going to spot me on a rack pole.

01:44:44.13

Paul

Even a dead lift like what the fuck are you going to do like that's weird.

01:44:48.11

christophknoll

Yeah, um, so I was like respectfully now I got this and you know put it up for one. So strength is slowly coming back.

01:44:54.84

Paul

Yeah, that's wild. Um, my strength is in the fucking toilet now it sucks. Yeah, my volume relatively is on um the same level roughly. But when it comes to intensity. It's nowhere near the same.

01:44:58.77

christophknoll

Well yeah, because you're so down in terms of food.

01:45:12.89

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:45:14.70

Paul

Um, like when I tried I did shoulder day and all did even arms yesterday and like it just wasn't where it used to be um I have to like cut out sets here and there to just make it through with like proper reps great enough. It's like learning so it's like.

01:45:28.50

christophknoll

Give me baby reps give me baby wraps.

01:45:32.61

Paul

Yeah, for real That's what it was like I just like I just need to get through this but like my next arm day I'll adapt appropriately because I but I start with like what I would normally start with but then I'm like fuck this is heavy so I like cut out a set so that I can get like a proper like 8 to 12 or whatever it is um. Because if I were to go to like my top set that I had before I wouldn't be able to get like 8 you know so I cut that set out so that that way I could still be at least 8 but I got to see what my coach says about training because we're supposed to train change my training from ten days out but we haven't changed anything yet. So I got to find out what he wants me to change. Um.

01:45:52.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:46:08.82

Paul

And see if there's anything you know different about it. But um, probably probably really not that big of a difference but we'll see really just at the end of the day probably that's going to happen is we might combine a couple days because I probably will be honestly resting Friday um, but let's say. I do we're gonna have to play combine a couple of days you might do like a push pull probably a push pull kind of thing we might honestly I might just pull leg day which is Thursday I might probably just pull like day and have if I'm training Thursday I might do like a upper body day like a like hour long.

01:46:41.27

christophknoll

I was gonna say you're you're competing in men's physique so you want like obviously you want proportion to everything but legs are kind of secondary. So if you're going to get 1 last lift in have it be something that's gonna be like show ready. You know what I mean.

01:46:50.25

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:46:57.97

Paul

Yeah, exactly? Um, So I mean who who knows I mean again, we're gonna I'm going to look more into it see if there is anything that I need to change up I doubt it but we'll look into it see what we can find out. Um, but yeah, just a water cut now Vitamin c. Um, on Win St Straw now haven't noticed any difference. It's an all how much was that how much was on. Did he ever say.

01:47:18.63

christophknoll

You but you on the amount of winds straw that Liver King was ah I don't know is just ah yeah, well the the amount is in that email. But it's ah it I it's absurd how he' spending like thirteen k a month.

01:47:34.10

Paul

Um, let me see if I could find it. Um I'm curious number king.

01:47:47.63

Paul

I don't know. Um, yeah, oh wait. Ah okay, there it is winchedtall fifty Milligrams a day he said he just started this been taking this for three weeks yeah um that's pretty standard.

01:47:49.44

christophknoll

It's in the email I know it is liver King leaked email.

01:48:05.28

Paul

And GF one r Cj see um, he's taking Omnirope and ibutemarin gs anyways, um, yeah, no I'm taking the same dose that she was which is fifty Milligrams a day that's the standard dose. Um, one pill is fifty milligrams

01:48:23.90

christophknoll

Yeah, but are you are you eating Raw liver come on man.

01:48:24.77

Paul

Um, and that's your workout? No but I should be um, no, but um I I take a pre-workout and use it with orals. It takes a couple weeks for it to really kick in so I'm not sure what results we're gonna end up seeing from it. Um.

01:48:44.22

Paul

So yeah, that'll be it'd be interesting. We'll see but um with the new show. We might end up just keeping it in I have no idea. Um, but we did pull test ah test is now out of my system. Um, we pulled that on Tuesday so that was also prop test prop. So.

01:48:47.79

christophknoll

Are.

01:49:03.48

Paul

As far as test goes, it's it's really low now. Um, but I'm still getting it I believe from trend and maybe a little bit from master on. But um, try to master on. We're gonna pull Tuesday I believe um, it's we're supposed to pull it 3 to four days out so I pulling a Tuesday but I think we're gonna keep windsrawing. That's the one one we're gonna be keeping in. Um yes I need that give me give me the trend trend Baloney Trendoney whatever they call it.

01:49:25.15

christophknoll

I'll send you a ah shipment of teso max and Dbel to help you ah get there.

01:49:38.00

christophknoll

That's that's literally the me the memes we had about calling it like ah like the the trendbooney sandwich. It's that's literally the meme and it's literally the name something like that. Yeah.

01:49:47.34

Paul

What is it is it trend boone tri booney. Okay, um, yeah, we gotta change that please guys. Thanks! Keep be having that fit. Yeah, so that's where we're at now we'll see um. We got to figure out something for our next session because I'll be at my show next time we go to record. So yeah, yeah, so if we um, if you guys. So yeah, if you guys don't hear from us on Sunday of next week which would be the twenty fifth right

01:50:05.84

christophknoll

Yep, we we might do like a day or 2 after and do a recap or something like that I'd be pretty cool might be a day or 2 late next week.

01:50:20.52

Paul

I think yeah twenty fifth um just know that it'll probably come up maybe Monday or Tuesday or something like that. Um maybe like Sunday afternoon we might record it and post it or something I don't know um or like some of the evening or something I'll talk about my show and whatnot and where I'm at. But.

01:50:20.90

christophknoll

Ah, yes.

01:50:38.51

Paul

Yeah, next time you guys hear from us I should be I should be done my show at that point so that'd be I'd be fun. Yeah onto the next one got six weeks from there and we'll get real fucking peeled for that one so that explain no.

01:50:47.28

christophknoll

Hell yeah man and then it's on to excalibur.

01:50:55.65

christophknoll

And we're not talking Sunburn I know I know that's why I made the joke. Ah all right y'all we'll be seeing you next week then peace.

01:50:58.48

Paul

No, which I did have I got a pretty gnarly sunburn. Yeah, ah, but yeah, well all right? Yeah, we'll see you guys.


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