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HGH #44: Are Supplement Companies Untrustworthy?


00:00.00

Paul

For.

00:00.94

christophknoll

Everybody uses it and that's yeah, that's kind of where we're at um, yeah yeah, um, anybody who doesn't know what CCFour is you're an idiot. Everybody knows what it is. It's like the Walmart staple. Ah.

00:06.59

Paul

Yeah, you're talking about C Four Guys C four from cellular core. Um, fucking Useless bureauco.

00:19.29

Paul

Um, well technically the Walmart equals 6 star. What are the fuck that is yeah.

00:19.84

christophknoll

It's the the the that's true that's true 6 oh 6 star has those Nfl athletes signed to them. They have like ah dust t j watt I think is signed with them. Um.

00:31.28

Paul

Um, yeah, it's the most like useless fucking supplements like if you're if you're sponsored by them like like how can you do that to yourself be like like you're like basically propping up a useless supplement company but to each their own.

00:47.59

christophknoll

Yeah, but ah sepore is it's always that blue raspberry flavor too. It's never anything else and it's ah it's It's the pre-workout that you see all the broccoli Heads take or I mean I see it in the schools even like when it when I teach but.

00:52.80

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's a pretty common flavor.

01:05.11

christophknoll

It's just such a mediocre pre-workout like I've never once gotten like if you if you guys know pre-workout you know what? I mean when I say like the spider tingles like in your in your hands and whatnot but never gotten it from that. Um, it's just me also super Medioc Guard flavor wise like if you're getting.

01:08.91

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:15.65

Paul

Yeah.

01:24.90

christophknoll

Normally with pre workouts if they taste good. They're probably not going to affect you that well and if they taste like shit they're going to do real well for you and pre or see C Four doesn't taste good and doesn't do you you anything.

01:33.75

Paul

Yeah, basically yeah, yeah, no I mean it's the they're ready to drink stuff is pretty good. Um, their pre bottled drinks are pretty good I will vouch for that.

01:43.93

christophknoll

All the the cans.

01:47.52

Paul

Yeah, the cans and the nc four ultimate is not bad c four ultimate's a pretty like well-rounded pre gout. Um, it's not the best in the world. But um I think that you're going to spend your money on tell you core you got to get C 4 ultimate otherwise't even bother. Um, but again, they're ready to drink early isn't too bad at all. Um. Like their their yellow cans has like a little bit of beta alanine. So like it's a pretty good energy drink to have like just kind of Willy-n nillly I guess um, besides the beta alanine but then like for like like day. It's pretty I like it for like day because I get a little bit of tingling from the beta alanine and then um, the caffeine and stuff like that's pretty good too. So. Um, like to ready drink stuff.

02:26.63

christophknoll

Yeah, but we we just kind of started talking on that because ah I mean we'll get into it after we do some updates but that's kind of like our precursor to shit you shouldn't trust just because everyone else is trusting it and that mean that's universal across.

02:39.29

Paul

Man.

02:44.23

christophknoll

Not just pre-workouts but other types of supplements or just in general like literally anything in your life. You should actually do your own due diligence. But um, yeah, we can kind of hit some updates too Paul you're getting real close to excalibur.

03:01.32

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I'm two weeks out as of today fourteen days so 13 and some change. Um, so we're getting. We're getting there and the progress is getting exponential just like it was last show where every day I'm making more progress than the day before. Um, and the span of like a week I make as much progress as like if I was doing like a recomp like a maintenance recompmp I'm doing as much in span of one week as I would in like two months on like a recompmp like ah like a healthy basic recomp. Um, like I could physically see the fat differences.

03:32.57

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

03:36.29

Paul

From like like Thursday's like day to to the previous Thursdays like day like I could like I look like a completely different guy like my my fat levels are just completely different. Um, so like that's pretty exciting. Yeah, it's it's all like.

03:43.49

christophknoll

I mean I I comment on you pulling your skin That's crazy how much you can pull.

03:54.31

Paul

It's that's something I've always wanted to be able to do is just like pull my skin like that. Um I don't know why it's just kind of cool to be able to do it. But um, it's thinning out all my skin's kind of thinning out and it gets more stretchy. Your skin gets more stretchy. Um. So like on my like rib area. It's pretty thin my arms. It's pretty thin my back. It's pretty thin. So um, you know the less fat I have the more I can pull from that and um, the next week is going to be even more crazy because today we're pulling um artificial sweeteners and flavors. So. It's everything's natural now as far as what I'm eating and so like right now I'm having just like a super just regular basic black coffee. It's just french french roast walmart brand is just cheat because that's all I can have for preworkout as well. So I don't want to get like an $8 bag of coffee to use this pre-workout I'm going to. Destroy in like a week you know so I got like a $4 bag. Yeah yeah, you'd be unnatural at that point with that suculose and aspart team and.

04:47.99

christophknoll

You you heard it here. You heard it here first folks if you're drinking a diet Dr Pepper and using that unnatural sweetener you have given up your natty card. Yeah.

05:06.58

Paul

All that shit. But no, it's it's um, just like your adrena gland resetting and it's just a good rule of thumb that like for most of prep you can have all these sweeteners like I got like 3000000 different fucking gums next to me. But um, when you're. Getting closer to the show. It's it's a good rule of thumb to just pull everything out. That's unnatural that way. It also kind of keeps you on plan and and keeps you locked in because if you're having like like for instance, Dave Polumbo had a video about um like how to get through prep and like ah it has so a lot of ah gums hatch sugar alcohol. As like their way of sweetening the gum and so some people not me I have like a couple pieces a day. Not that much maybe 3 or 4 at most um, usually 1 during training and then like a couple during the day. Um, but. He was saying that if you some people have like one two packs of gum of day. You know like they're always chewing gum and like that adds up even though your sugar alcohol isn't technically like a net carb and you're still adding calories to your body. Um that you don't need to be adding. So um, he's saying just to pull gum entirely pull. Um, you know anything that could be added calories out and that's easier so easier said than done obviously but 1 of the ways of doing that is pulling um, natural flavors and sweeteners or unnatural flavors and sweeteners anything artificial and that'll kind of cut out pretty much fucking. Everything.

06:34.25

Paul

Um, so really, all I can have now is water and coffee. Um, for like my my drinks and stuff. Um I can I'm going to try to see if I could find like natural like I know zvia might be 1 of them. Like natural flavored drinks. Um, but the problem is is the sweetener because a lot of time they'll say oh it's it's naturally flavored but then they'll put like superose in there or something or aspartame or something as the sweetener and I can't have it at that point. So I'm going to take a look around and see what I can find just so that I have some flavor. My life. That's besides coffee and water. Um, and then for like food. All I can really have now is just ah is um mustard pretty much for added you know sauces. Um I can have hot sauces stuff like that salt added salt um stuff like that. And then some like no salt seasonings as well. Um, that I have like some basic herbs and Mrs Dash is one of them so pulling all that shit out too because we're supplementing salt so I got to go saltless seasonings and supplementing salt specifically when we're when I'm supposed to have it. So um. It's it's getting interesting. That's for sure getting tough.

07:45.84

christophknoll

Now in regards to the the unnatural you have the the Mike Menzer loophole you can you can still use though where you're allowed to take crystal meth as your pre-workout so that that is the loophole so make sure to keep that in mind.

07:55.99

Paul

Yeah, yeah, he yeah my coach made a comparison to that because he had me pull my adderall um a few weeks before last show and keep it out and he was like adderall is it's ah is it is an amphetamine. Um. and' dextrohamentamine but um, he's like it's basically like Mike Mencer being on meth he's like it's kind of like that. It's it's going to help make you hold on fat and it's not good to judge based off hunger because it curves your hunger and shit and so it's he's like let's just pull it. It. He's like I know it sucks. But. Got to get you dialed in. So um, you had me pull my ater all a little while ago and that sucked. But yeah, he compared it to Mike Mike Mencer

08:40.66

christophknoll

I mean never I'm never going to ever you know lose my clean card again or anything like that. But I am super curious as to how meth work like reacts as a pre-workout.

08:51.85

Paul

Did he actually do real meth meth because I know nothing about it.

08:56.45

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, he was taking legitimate like full on just abusing Meth as his pre-workout.

09:04.64

Paul

What the fuck um, let me see I I just hold up as like weak that Wikipedia page. Um, yeah, um, that's crazy. So I guess like.

09:11.64

christophknoll

Um, if you look up Mike Mencer math you're going to find all the stories.

09:22.97

Paul

Somebody on Youtube talked about it but I'll look into it more because I'm curious I know rich pia took um a lot of adderall for his pre workouts. But the problem is adderall and I could speak I could speak to this personally, what's that.

09:33.67

christophknoll

Um, rich I was yeah I was just going to say rich Beyond It took everything under the sun. So.

09:41.64

Paul

This is true. This is true but he he did take a lot of adderall for a lot of his training and he talked about it. He was like it's fine I like to me knowing what adderall does. It's a good stimulant. It's a really good stimulant keeps you focused. Um.

09:58.34

Paul

It curbs your hunger like fucking crazy like I could you could like start yourself almost on adderall alone. It's crazy. Um, but the problem is is that I believe it's a blood thinner kind of it basically makes your pumps like fucking shit. So that's one of the things that he mentioned was that. Adderall is great if you're trying to focus in the gym but it's shit for getting a pump because you just won't you just won't get 1 you just won't get a pump. Um, and it's happened been before where I forget to take it when I'm supposed to then I take my pre-work out and the pump's okay, but like it's not like It's definitely worse when you're taking adderalls is what I'm trying to say so yeah, that's that's no fun.

10:36.73

christophknoll

Yeah I was gonna say and that's also to help with what you have going on upstairs pulling that kind of messes with you in general.

10:46.72

Paul

Yeah, it. Oh yeah, yeah, my quality of life drastically decreased pulling it out because I just have basically no dopamine. That's real. It is um, having no Baseline dopamine You just literally don't enjoy anything. Um, there's Nothing. You look forward to you. Don't enjoy doing anything. Um I Get a lot of dopamine from Caffeine. So That's kind of where I'm at and multitasking if I'm multitasking I get more dopamine. Um, so I like to multitask and set these individual goals like everybody has their own rate ways of doing things. So. Um, you know there's there's different routes. You can take but for me, it's just multitasking and caffeine and that helps a lot but um, and ah people don't realize it but a big source of dopamine people get is food just good taste in food just an enormous amount of dopamine comes from that. So having really I mean I'm enjoying pretty much every meal because I'm hungry every single will fucking meal but like it's not the tastiest of Foods. So It's like having very little amount of food. Not the tasties of Foods Nott even get get to enjoy my coffee Anymore. You know not having like my dopamine is just fucking in the shitter. So It's like it's hard for me to enjoy anything and really I'm just trying to hold on the gym at this point like I'm really looking forward to the chess day later. Um, so I mean that's kind of where I'm at but istop phone. Yeah.

12:11.14

christophknoll

See I get a similar thing looking forward to my workouts but like I texted you about ah what I try doing I change up my music all the time and that that kind of keeps it interesting in the gym too and being able to have you know variety.

12:19.86

Paul

Um, yeah.

12:28.72

christophknoll

Makes it so it's not the same thing over and over and over again.

12:30.51

Paul

Yeah I change up my music pretty pretty frequently. Um I go through I just I just can't do that Dude there's just no way. Um, it would drive me fucking insane. But.

12:33.93

christophknoll

You gotta try Italian Opera men.

12:43.98

Paul

I'll go through like minem phases. Usually it's like per artist so like I'll go through like minem phases I go through like imjk phases. Um I'll go through like Youtube video like macavelli motivation phases where like for like a week straight I listen to is like motivational videos. Um I'll listen to like.

12:57.45

christophknoll

Yeah.

13:02.60

Paul

Arnold speeches for a few days or something like it just it just changes pretty pretty frequently see that variety.

13:10.89

christophknoll

I go I go from like rock to the two thousand s ah hip hop. We listen to at middle school dance is to like my Italian opera that I just got into I get I got told I was mental because I.

13:18.63

Paul

Yeah, which is fucking crazy. You need to check out like um.

13:28.90

christophknoll

I do my my chest back days I do a chest back split that you know that's not normally 2 muscles you put together. But with this you know, Arnold plan I was I've been doing. Um, it's like designed to shock the muscle because again you don't use those 2 together normally um and so I do.

13:42.26

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

13:45.85

christophknoll

I start off with bench which is a compound movement with for chest and I end with deadlifts which is another compound movement but you do heavy dead liftfts at the very end so it's everything you have left in the tank and I I you know I'm dying at that point I've done 7 8 exercises at that point. So I'm dying at that point.

13:50.77

Paul

Yeah.

14:05.50

christophknoll

And still having to do those deadlifts so I normally will have like if I'm not working out with someone I'll call someone over that I know and be like hey can you just yell at me if I don't get like whatever number of deadlifts up and ah he goes yeah sure and you know I take off my headphones whenever I'm.

14:14.23

Paul

Yes.

14:21.88

christophknoll

Unk I have someone do that because I want to hear them yelling at me and I tell them to get like real abusive with it because I respond really well to negative ah negative reinforcement. Um, and so I'll take off my headphones I'll be like Wow No music and I'm like it was just it was just Italian opera. Anyways, it doesn't matter.

14:25.12

Paul

Yeah.

14:37.37

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it wasn't really keeping you going that much at least it wouldn't keep me going that much I you're like a most telling opera and you sent him like what the fight are you doing I Just look you not live your life I'm not going to I'm not concerned.

14:42.73

christophknoll

Um.

14:50.41

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, now Wild Pump Let me tell you.

14:55.26

Paul

So it was insane when I couldn't understand a single word they were saying is crazy.

15:02.78

christophknoll

There was 1 lady in 1 of the songs who was singing in english and then went right back to italian I was I was lost.

15:10.26

Paul

Yep, ah tell it goes. Um, you should check out danheim the a NHB I am it's like a viking music kind of shit um like deep drums and chanting and shit you should check it out I'll go your faces where I listen to that too.

15:17.99

christophknoll

Um I have I have something similar on my regular gym playlist where it's It's like volhala callinguling I think we've talked about that song before but.

15:32.12

Paul

I Think so.

15:35.61

christophknoll

It's yeah, it's just the same. It's the the Nordic premise of like we're we're going to war.

15:41.27

Paul

Yeah, exactly and that stuff can that stuff can be pretty good sometimes um if I'm in the mood for it that is I gotta to be in the mood for it. It just depends I Guess Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

15:46.81

christophknoll

Yeah, basically this the soundtrack to that show vikings. That'll that I've done that one before that's a good one.

15:58.00

Paul

Ah, love that show and then music was phenomenal in that show too. So great. Great show If you guys haven't watched it check out vikings. It's really good. Really good show. It is kind of a commitment though because there are a lot of stretches where it's really boring, but it ends up being worth it if you could stick through it. But.

16:00.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

16:07.16

christophknoll

It is.

16:17.70

Paul

You see that as a side note do you see twisted metal came out on peacock so twisted metal the video game from like playstation 2 They just made a tv show for it. Um, so many pictures and universal are behind it. They're the ones who made it so it's like big budget. It's actually.

16:19.31

christophknoll

Let it not.

16:30.23

christophknoll

Interesting.

16:35.50

Paul

Fucking sick I watched the first episode I'm like this is actually going to be pretty dope like it's a comedy like thriller show. So like there's actually some pretty good jokes. Um I was laughing a couple times and ah is actually like I went into it thinking that was either going to be terrible or amazing and I think it' I think it's actually gonna be really good I'm looking forward to it. But. Um, anyways, yeah so back to kind of where we're at now. Um two weeks out

16:55.96

christophknoll

Kalia.

17:01.90

christophknoll

Yeah, was I was gonna say you said that there was a big change for this next upcoming week is that the unnatural ah but or pulling all the unnatural. Yeah.

17:06.19

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the big change this week um it sucks. It's it's not that that part isn't fun I can get through for the most part, especially if I can have my coffee with my equal and my like you know I might have like a can of you know. Ah, like 0 sugar Dr Pepper or something a day and then like some like 0 calorie gatorator power rate or something like that for the electrolytes that stuff helps get through my day and then adding like eat a little bit of equal to like my sweet potato helps a lot. Um.

17:24.51

christophknoll

A bit.

17:42.33

Paul

But having all of that pulled definitely makes a lot more difficult. Um, so I just got to become like a machine I just got to become like basically emotionless the next like two weeks um that way I can just get through. But I mean what's good is that like the way I kind of look at coming up to like an event like this whether that's.

17:51.43

christophknoll

Um.

18:01.75

Paul

You know a show or flying somewhere or taking a trip or something is that I measure it kind of based off like days in the gym. So like today is probably my like last chess day before the show because the next time I hit ches is probably going to be a combination of with something else. Um.

18:17.95

christophknoll

Um, yeah, it's like it's your last true jesta.

18:20.63

Paul

Yeah, exactly so that's exciting like that's kind of how I like to look at it. Um, so like chances are if it goes similar to the last show Sunday a week from tomorrow would be my last like day where normally it's on Thursdays we'd push it to Sunday I do it into the like day. Um, and then that Monday will be um chess tries Tuesday will be or no sorry monday will be chess tries dels Tuesday will be back and buys and then Wednesday is a total upper body and then it's Thursday Friday off. So um Saturday I'm thinking probably going to end up being a rest day. And ah so what I'm going to do is probably Thursday I might do like a chest and back day or something like that like just to have fun with it and then have my arm day rest day on Saturday and then Sunday hit legs and then do the next three days of training and then it's Thursday Friday off and then show. So.

19:14.72

christophknoll

Um, yep.

19:15.18

Paul

Getting closer. So That's how I'm trying to look at it is like I only really have like a couple more full arm days a deal day back day and a chess day and I'm done as far as like the individual days then it's combined days and the combined days fucking Stuck I'm exhausted by the end of each training session. Plus I almost always have cardio 2 with those too. So That's gonna be fun, but yeah, basically basically where we're at now is crunch time. Um, so I just trying to get through it.

19:38.86

christophknoll

Yeah, that's ah, that's that's crunch time baby. That's ah, that's coming in.

19:49.25

Paul

Ah, the needs the next couple weeks and then enjoying the show as much as I can ah I'm going to enjoy this one. Definitely a lot more than I did the last one just because we came in. We're going to come in so much fucking better than the last one um by a long shot. Not even by a ton of weight like right now we're down £6 from the last show but it's a lot more fat.

20:06.58

christophknoll

Yeah.

20:08.48

Paul

Trimmed off um and it is partially due to what I'm taking but the food and the cardio is in a much better better place than it was last time like I was so depleted I was doing 45 minutes of cardio twice a day for five days a week now is 40 minutes and I was taking in less cars than I do now. A lot. Um, so doing all of that now like having more carbs haven't left cardio makes it a lot easier but I am still exhausted training is hard like I look forward to training but then I'm like 2 movements in I'm like I'm already fucking hungry like my stomach starts feeling empty. Um, and I'm just like running on fumes at that point and then I just want to go home and eat and then the problem is is not even that like I'm hungry and want to go home and eat because I could deal with that is that when I get home the meal I'm having is not going to be like a meal that's filling.

21:02.36

christophknoll

Yeah.

21:04.40

Paul

Because it's six ounce of the tilaian three ounces of of Jasmine Rice like it. It goes in my system real fast like I barely even enjoy the food because I eat it so fast and then it's out of my system in 3 seconds because it's so light like it's so little amount of calories it's unlike maximum like three hundred fifty four hundred calories in that one meal. So it's like it's just fucking gone like after right after I'm done eating it. So it's that's the hard part I'm not even full after my meal.

21:31.51

christophknoll

Ah I'll have to do my best and not to send you my 5 guys trip later today.

21:33.60

Paul

Ah, dude I would love 5 guys right now I'm prideing that he gives me a refy tomorrow just like added food. But yeah, when we hit the show two weeks from now that's when I'll get I should be able to get a burger and fries in between pre-drudging in finals last time I had a burger and fries was my last show. Um, and I had to take off the button and not get any like get like a side of fries. Not like a basket of fries and then I think I had to take the tomato off or something as well. There was something I had to take off it too. I forget exactly? but um, he I think he also said no fatty sauces just like cutch up but then like. The guy who was also my coach's client who was there ah competing he um he got to have like a fully loaded burger and ton of fries because he was just at a different place so I should hopefully be able to get like a fully loaded burger and fries.

22:24.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

22:30.75

Paul

Probably a good meal that day and then I'm hoping um like whatever I want for the entire next day chances are I'm hoping but we'll see we'll see what he says rebound is going to be important because what our plan is up to this show is to stay basically six pack lean year-round now um to never really lose it and. To stay like only like six weeks max out of like conditioning from a show. You know what? I mean so like if I can get into a show twelve weeks ahead of time but really have like six weeks of conditioning to do we can be like really meticulous and losing just a little bit of fat at a time so that way I can come in full as fuck. And have all the fat shutttered off you know where we be in a much better place for for prep per show and that show hopefully is going to be the national qualifie or the national show if I can win the qualifie of this show which where I'm at now considering the exponential progress I'm making I'm hoping that I can come in pretty appealed to the show. Especially since I haven't even done a water cut yet. And I'm already like like if I came up if I came in with this conditioning if I had this conditioning already for my last show I probably would have said I probably would have won my class at least and I I don't know if I would have won overall but um, just because the guy who showed up for overall.

23:42.99

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

23:48.50

Paul

Set up pretty good, but um, definitely one class in both my classes for sure. So that's my opinion but people.

23:52.35

christophknoll

And you and you had your other your coach's other client there at the previous show at the victory is he going to be out there at the excalibber.

24:01.61

Paul

Yeah, no, no, he won't be there. His focus was that show. Um, it was his first show is my first show but he put he put twelve fourteen weeks into that show I put about five six of like true prep. We did a little bit of a cut prior to prep. But.

24:16.60

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

24:19.30

Paul

5 six weeks of like true prep um went into that show so he won't be at this one? Um, but I don't know if he's he's going to put on he needs to put on some size think he's like lower lower one seventy s I think um on stage so a little bit of size will do him some good because I'll probably show up on stage like at this rate like. Lower one eighty s um is probably what I'll show up on stage which my goal showing up on stage I want to be like low to mid 91 s on stage probably or higher but it just depends on whatever weight caps eventually set ah for men's physique I got to stay within that. So. Be on the upper end of the weight cap considering I'm on the tolerish side I'm usually competing in 1 of the bigger ah height classes. So I think this one coming up is 5 beaten up for novice which is you've competed but you haven't won your class yet and then open I think I'm class d which I think is like 5 10 to five eleven and a half or something. Because the last time I measured myself. It was like 5 ten and a half I'm just going to play it safe and if if they need to adjust my division I think it'll be fine. But yeah, that's the plan right now. So that's my update for the day pretty much It's just ah, just grinding it out really so next time.

25:22.11

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:33.68

Paul

You guys hear from us who's listening um I'll be on peak week which I'll talk about so gonna be taking a prior two and a half three gallons of water and hopefully taking a decent diuretic.

25:44.78

christophknoll

Yeah, that's ah, that's going to be you being a lot more frustrated because peak week sucks.

25:50.22

Paul

I mean what sucked more than anything my last peak week was just the training really because the training just takes so much out of you doing so much upper body shit like that like I did like sticks like for chess tries and delts I think it did like 4 or 5 like double sets or supersets I mean like like I think I did like 3 chess movements I think 2 triset movements and 2 um 2 dealt movements I believe so and I was doing them pretty back-to-back, but that way I'm not like resting for super long because then I end up be there. Like 2 hours so I did supersets where like instead of well resting my chest I'd hit my triceps or something you know I mean feel like that took me forever to get through my workout. Um and back in bio which is just as bad and then Wednesday that upper body that total upper body was just fucking just white me like I couldve probably fallen asleep on the preacher chrome machine like if I put my head down I probably could have passed out. Like that's what's hard. It's not the water intake. Um, it's not the food or anything like that at that point because you're starting to get motivated because you're monitoring your water like there's so much brain power that goes into it. You end up like the day end up flying ends up flying by because you're like all right. Like if but you got to have like two and a half gallons right for instance you're like all right? So I got to drink one of these really like every like 3 hours it's like I have like a half gallon jug and I'm like I got to drink one really like every like 2 hours probably actually because that's 5 that's about 10 hours and then all of a sudden I'm like an hour and a half in and barely even touched it I'm like.

27:25.21

Paul

Fuck. So then you got to like Sw it and then you like so it's like you got to monitor it too and like if you have coffee I got to use my gallon jug as the source of water for the coffee because I got to make sure I'm only taken in three gallons you know so it's like you got to be.

27:39.10

christophknoll

Um, yeah, um.

27:40.71

Paul

Got to be on top of it. So it ends up requiring your brain being active all day and all the sudden the day is over. You know it flies by It's just the training that sucks you know, just got to get you the training.

27:48.25

christophknoll

See I don't know if I I know if I could do that over the summer because I don't work over the summer so I would just be stewing in my head the whole the whole day.

27:58.13

Paul

exactly exactly so that's one of the things that I truly believe in is that if you're in prep you should stay busy. Ah because then you're just going to sit there and just be upset that you're hungry the whole time. So like like I'm going to go out after the after we record today and like do door dash and shit like so I'm not sitting here hungry.

28:02.78

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:15.70

Paul

You know, like during the day if it's if it's available I'll go to doordash and deliver food So that I'm just not at home doing nothing um and just hungry you know because then I just because like with the lack of dopamine too I don't enjoy like video games or anything like that really much right now. So it's like I can't just like sit here and play games. Um or like sit here and read or something and enjoy it as much as I normally would so.

28:25.71

christophknoll

Of my.

28:35.67

Paul

Just go and do something I just go stay busy. Um, and then by the time I come home I got to like you know quickly take my clean and then go back to work and then eat and then all of a sudden I got to work again for another couple hours and then I got to get ready for the gym then all of a sudden. It's the end of the day you know so staying busy is important. Um. Dave Poummbo talked about that in in that episode where he was talking about or Youtube video where he talking about how to um, get through prep and he said when he was a full-time bodybuilder where that's all he did which was bodybuil. Um, he said he would do projects in his house like. Cleaning out his garage or cleaning out his closet or painting a room or something and that's what kept him busy so like he like rearrrangeed the closet one day and it took him like 3 hours and all of a sudden he had to eat again like it's time to eat and he's like that's what he's like he basically became a handyman because of prep which is pretty. It's smart like that's that's one way of doing it for sure. So um.

29:19.89

christophknoll

Um, yeah, um, yeah.

29:29.45

Paul

Got to stay busy but these guys they'll take like the last week off before their show and I'm like fucking for what like what are you taking off for it's not like like it's not like you're taking it off so that you can get there. You know it's not like you're prepping for the Olympia where you want to get there like four or five days early you know to make sure that you got your food dialed in like. You're just going to sit at home and do nothing like you're eating less than ever. So you're not even spending a lot of time eating. It's not like you're bulking and you're spending a lot of time cooking and eating like you're barely eating anything. So really, all you're doing is just party own training and then you just sit in there. Unhappy you know what? I mean it's just I don't know I don't get it when when guys take.

29:58.36

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

30:06.88

Paul

You know work off for for this shit I guess I don't know.

30:10.14

christophknoll

You're supposed to just stoically look at the wall the whole day.

30:11.57

Paul

Literally just fucking zone out just like trip. Take some like acid or something so you forget you have to eat.

30:17.91

christophknoll

Jesus yeah, well now we're back to the Mike Menzer loophole

30:22.82

Paul

Yeah, exactly that's that's why he really took it was so that you just get through prep you didn't have to work. You just didn't want to be hungry so you just took Meth just stayed at the wall.

30:27.19

christophknoll

Um, exactly you know if I heard that story and didn't know what his physique look like I would have called like a super mid performance or something like that. But then you look at him like on stage and's like Wow this he brought it every single time.

30:41.17

Paul

Um, yeah, he's yeah, he's pretty insane Mike Bencer is pretty insane. Um, yeah he he he looked really good. Um I got I'm hoping to have a mustache like that for my show be great.

30:56.31

christophknoll

Well I was going to say show ah show your wife the picture of your your coach's other combat other athlete who who competed at the victory because he had the mustache rocking while you yeah she she has to see because that he people pulled off the mustache. So.

31:04.90

Paul

Well, she was there. Yeah, she knew who it was.

31:14.44

Paul

Yeah, he had the stash. Um, so I'm going to probably try to run a stash too I could definitely run like a mean stash if I wanted to like going down like definitely like a handle bar if I really wanted to so when I go to my barber. Yeah exactly. Um.

31:19.89

christophknoll

Um, and.

31:26.64

christophknoll

I'm totally not biased.

31:31.40

Paul

When I go to my barber a couple days before the show I'll just be like hey what do you think I should do with my stash and then just have him do it for me. Um, because then.

31:32.27

christophknoll

And. Yeah, well yours is yours is long enough that you could do like that weird lumberjack where you shave this and just have it just run up your sideburns.

31:48.10

Paul

I really could if I really wanted to I could have it I could have like a whole fucking thing come up. But um, it just because my it just connects so far out. But um, yeah, we'll we'll see I mean he because like I so what sucks the most and I was telling Paige about this yesterday is that.

31:50.92

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

32:03.96

Paul

Like I've been telling her I went under a long beard for the show because nobody runs beards if these shows nobody can grow a fucking beard half the time and all the time.. All these guys are on dhts like maaron for instance and therefore it like literally makes your hair basically fall out. Um, and makes it difficult to grow any hair but my beard's the opposite I grow better when I'm on everything So It's like I can show up with this straight long beard that would look insane and then now my coach is like I want you to be clean shaven I'm like for for what like I don't like if they were like if they were like oh you got to look.

32:30.95

christophknoll

He.

32:36.68

Paul

Like if they're like this is how you should look clean shaven but blah blah sure. But like there's nothing anywhere that says that you know they physically they literally can't judge you based off your facial hair.

32:41.67

christophknoll

I Think it's well I think it's more so to make sure it doesn't draw attention away. You know it's like if like I know obviously I'm a long long ways out. But if I ever stepped on with my hair down that would be problem I adopt to have it pinned up and tied back.

32:59.10

Paul

Yes.

33:00.97

christophknoll

So then it it doesn't draw from the rest of the physique and like you obviously have like a full fleshed out beard. It's not like patch or anything like that and since it's so thick I feel like that's why it's It's shave time because it would potentially draw away.

33:16.34

Paul

Yeah, there is 1 guy. Um I think ah, yeah, more plates more dates did a video about it here. Let me I'm go text it to you? Um I'll show you that this is the thumbnail that he had so this is how indian bodybuilding ends up working is that. A lot of time they they have they want the competition to be fair in their opinion. So it's like if you look too crazy then um, they're going to disqualify you. So like this guy was so far ahead. Everybody else in the competition these disqualified him because he was too muscular and too lean. Um, but like look at his beard. Like fucking sick like that's like it's super full like pretty pretty cleaned up. You know what? I mean so like to me I think that his beard improves his look. That's me personally I think he looks good with the beard. Um I also don't know what's that.

33:56.26

christophknoll

That's pretty wild.

34:04.94

christophknoll

Ah, that's a that's a funny thumbnail. You're disqualified.

34:10.52

Paul

I mean that's literally what happened they disqualified him because he was to he too fucking perfect like he's almost like that's almost like Olympia caliber like that is definitely pro caliber for his physique but he's like borderline Olympia caliber like that's how crazy this dude is but ah yes I mean.

34:16.75

christophknoll

Yeah, for sure.

34:28.42

Paul

I Don't know I guess like it kind of pulls away from his traps I guess because it does kind of cover like his trap stuff a little bit but also a big reason of that is because the lighting is just the shadow. You know you can see where his beard ends and the shadow covers up like his neck and some of his traps. You know so I don't know we'll we'll see what happens I'll probably just.

34:42.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

34:47.76

Paul

Run the stash and pull a seat bum or some shit but the problem is I'm bald. So it's like do I go completely fucking bald everywhere or do do do I run the fash. Yeah I mean I think it's safer that I run the stash and if like the night before coaches like.

34:56.31

christophknoll

That's that's Q Tip Looker at there.

35:05.33

Paul

Like reposing in the hotel room or something and he's like yeah I want you to shave the stash' be like all right I'll shave it but like at least that way I perhaps I'm been going into it and I could shave it if if need be you know.

35:13.44

christophknoll

Well the stash helps with the with the Grin The it's charismatic because when you do that little like exactly it it almost emphasizes it. So I I think it adds to it I think it would be a good look.

35:18.46

Paul

Um, yeah, side side smile. Yeah yeah I agree I think that Mustaches have ah have a basic body to link specifically. Um, it's not the best.

35:32.37

christophknoll

You know what break break some barriers do just the chin goatee and nothing else.

35:41.90

Paul

Do one of those like ah like early two thousand s like ah like Smash mouth kind of bullshit like a soul patch. You know like a long soul patch I could totally have that if I wanted to.

35:46.56

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

35:53.32

Paul

But it just sucks because like I said not many guys can grow a good beard and here I am and I can't even show it off but it is or it is not able to be yeah, exactly and my my wife doesn't like me having a beard either. So it's not even liking my relationship I could do it. You know.

35:59.99

christophknoll

Yeah, you're your perfect genetics Beard wise are not able to be ah displayed.

36:11.10

christophknoll

Yeah, but you you have a beard anyways.

36:12.78

Paul

Like if she was like I Love long beards. Yeah, but she she liked it shorter and I've been telling her I'm going to keep it long for the show. So I've been growing it out on purpose like it's pretty long right Now. Um and just getting straighter too. So like if she was like oh I like long Beards I could grow out a fucking gnarly ass Beard. Um. And really not that long if if I just kept this going give me another month and it's like it'd be long long enough to straighten it and need beer oils and shit to actually take care of it. But um, yeah, she just not a fan so she wants me to trim it Anyways I mean I use Bomb intent um like ah occasionally I guess.

36:41.12

christophknoll

You could still be using Beard oils.

36:50.57

Paul

But it's nothing like um I really don't I don't really take too much care of it. It's just just because I know I'm going to eventually buzz it anyways where if I was going to keep it long term I would take more care of it. Um, one guy I know has like a crazy long straight beard and he collects.

36:59.74

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

37:08.95

Paul

Beard oils like I collect fragrances he collects beard oils from all different kinds of brands and smells and shit like he's always putting beard all in his in his beard and it looks fucking crazy. Um, so I would grow it out if I could but you don't like it body building I Guess doesn't like it so it is what it is.

37:26.29

christophknoll

Time to time to make the bodybuilding scene progressive bring back beards but a.

37:33.35

Paul

Well I mean at least they're going in the direction that like tattoos aren't a problem which is good. Um, for the longest time tattoos were a problem but they made it a rule within the Ivb and Npc that you can't judge someone base off their tattoos I believe I believe like it can't remove points from you.

37:39.17

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

37:46.21

christophknoll

Well so here's the thing though with tattoos and I obviously have my tattoos and everything So I support tattoos but I can like I know when I have my vascularity and it's tough to see it through like I have this is like a.

38:01.52

Paul

Yes.

38:04.42

christophknoll

It's not a full sleeve. It's just my forearm but your forearm is one of your most vascular areas at least for me personally and I can see like a major one like my major vein that goes through my forearm I can see that protude but other than that I get no sign of vascularity even though I know it's there.

38:09.96

Paul

Yeah.

38:20.82

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

38:22.30

christophknoll

So it's not even that they're being like discrediting you for having the tattoos is just that I they can't see the vascularity through it. So.

38:29.67

Paul

Yeah, no I get that completely like that's why I'm going to hold off on more tattoos but it used to be like where they would literally like remove points because you had tattoos but like they don't really do that anymore and Steve Weinberger at that seminar was like we really don't care about tattoos anymore like he's like it just it really doesn't affect the the placing and.

38:38.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

38:46.85

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

38:49.26

Paul

Um, and really at the end of the day the ten that they spray on really does cover a lot of your tattoos like if you look at my my show photos like my tattoos is really not that prominent because the 10 really covers it up because it's a layer over your skin. So it really does kind of drown it out. Um so but I think my next tattoo. I want to get a matching woman page and I want to get a ring around my finger. So I don't have to wear a ring to the gym or have to wear ring really whenever I want I can just wear the tattoo ring. Essentially that's always there. But um I also want to get I decided this the other day it hit me. It was a leg I want to get a leg sleeve on my right leg. Um, so I have the left arm sleeve and the right leg sleeve and I want it christianity focused so either either Mary or jesus on my quad and then like the prophets throughout the rest of my leg so something like that.

39:30.58

christophknoll

Um, well.

39:36.82

christophknoll

Well, you can definitely do your your your leg sleeve while you're still doing men's physique because that's not worried about but that just kind of solidifies and doesn't let you do like moved visions.

39:42.78

Paul

exactly exactly I mean I could totally move off the classic like I really think that if I wanted to I probably could move up the classic I would just need to change up my splits into the two arm days and need to be 2 leg days.

40:01.17

christophknoll

Well I I just mean it in the sense I mean it in the sense of the tattoo. Yeah.

40:02.51

Paul

Um, because like my legs are one of my strengths. But yeah, if you move over to classic my leg tattoo would would potentially pull away from my legs but my right leg is also my better leg so it would it wouldn't be as bad if I like if I put on my left leg. It would like drown out my my my inferior like even more at that rate you know so I don't know one day. Maybe I'll I'll see what the plan is to the show. You know, maybe my coach is like hey let's move you up to classic Actually I think that's where you belong and like fuck. Yeah I did let's go.

40:26.19

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

40:37.47

christophknoll

I Could finally wear a speedo in front of other dudes.

40:40.70

Paul

But um, finally wear less on stage. Let's go. But ah if if he is like if everybody is like yeah I know you're a built for men's physique and you're going to crush it and men's physique then so be it I'd rather do amazing and a physique I still. In a competition I still enjoy versus like getting decimated in a competition that I want to do you know like that I want to do a little bit more like everybody wants to do classic right now and it's it's the hype of the industry right now but like men's physique really like I said isn't too far off sizewise and so if I'm gonna be able to crush it and get really high up there. Immense's physique or get decimated in classic I'd choose getting high up there. Men's physique all day. You know that's a that's a nobrainer to me a hundred percent of what's that.

41:22.85

christophknoll

Yeah I think it's well I Just think it's more so based and because like obviously men's open. You have to be ah, a fucking unit like that's there's no getting around that like even in the the amateur building like you have to be a unit to do.

41:33.88

Paul

Um, yeah is genetics. Um, yeah.

41:40.29

christophknoll

Men's open and physique and classic physique is size wise I know we talked about like waste to the shoulder ratio yesterday about like in this very exact context but like sizewise and I say this solely in comparison to men's open physique and classic physique are. You know within the same realm of understanding size-wise so I think it's more so people are attracted to the classic musicing just because they could do their poses I think that I think that quite literally is only the only reason because like you and I talked about how some people or a lot of people can't even do the men's physique poses.

42:10.29

Paul

Yeah.

42:18.38

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

42:19.35

christophknoll

And like it's literally just because they want to go do their own poses like I couldn't do my stupid w thing and in men's physique like that one fly. So.

42:24.19

Paul

But I mean it's immense's Physique just like classic is constantly evolving because men's physique has only readily been around just as long as class of Esiki has been around so the the barrier between the 2 Has always been very gray. Um the weight cap in men's physique is really what's going to start separating class physique from Men's physique. Um, and so what it's going to come down to is like so like class physique The idea behind it is how aesthetic imperfect can we make the human body and.

43:01.69

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

43:02.39

Paul

It's like how big can we get while staying lean and aesthetic men's's men's open is like how basically at this point how freakly big can we get like how big can we get and stay lean on stage like that's the goal men's physique is like how aesthetic can we get and how dice the fucking gills Can we get like that's really what men's physique is about.

43:10.88

christophknoll

Um, yeah, okay.

43:21.44

Paul

And it's like the idea like I've said a million times that originally was like what's the ideal male figure. It's like what's the perfect male model body and that's what male men's phyzeque is based off of but it's gotten bigger and leaner year and year and the board shorts have also gotten way smaller like right now. The the ins seams for board shorts are like 5 or seven inches typically seven inches right which is on the shorter side where men's physique shorts when it first started were like a twelve inch in seems that like went past your knees. You know exactly? Yeah like the like old old board shorts from then it just they're a lot bigger.

43:47.70

christophknoll

Well yeah, it was almost like those basketball like way hangers the the deep drops. Yeah.

44:00.34

Paul

Um, so like that's why I'm also more okay with men's phsique now than I would have been with it ten years ago because it's just in a different world now. Um and like I said it's just the the barrier the difference between men's physique and classic physique really isn't that much. Um, the problem is. Like I've said a million different times is the rap that it gets men's physique guys. Um, typically you get a lot of assholes competing in men's physique a lot of top dudes are pieces to shit. Um, they're all really terrible people where classic is quite the opposite. Some of the best guys in the industry are are at the top in classic. Um.

44:29.79

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

44:36.12

christophknoll

Well just look at the top 3 I mean they all smack each other's booties all the time and they're doing goofy shit up there.

44:37.77

Paul

But.

44:43.41

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's a good competition but in men's physique. It's like like Aaron Banks would be forced him like of ah he's ah yeah, I'm still in their heads and he's like six months after the fucking Olympia I'm like dude shut up like no one gives a shit. Like show up to the olympian that's it like you would never see Cbom saying something like so fucking arrogant you know what? I mean like it's just arrogancy is all over men's physique and it really shouldn't be.

44:58.76

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

45:07.00

christophknoll

Well I think that's more so just the personality because like obviously like even if cbom for God Forbid was in men's physique he would still be the most humble dude out there like and that's just like it really comes down to personality.

45:19.27

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I mean it's just like because a lot of men's who eat guys were guys who started off as like just kind of lean and like were like sport like athletes and stuff like that and just kind of had a 6 Packck and like a small waste and that just. Just kind of like a little aesthetic. Um and then they just kind of got into bodybuilding that way and just kind of stayed with men's Physique Um, where classic and men's open typically they start from the bottom like you don't You're not like a soccer player and then all of a sudden you do men's open. You know what? I mean it's like you have been wanting to do men's open from the beginning of.

45:54.39

christophknoll

Yep.

45:57.39

Paul

Ever doing any sort of sport. Yeah, there's that too. But then you're talking about like powerliing to strongmen where it's like some of these kids are just strong as fuck just built that way. Brian Shawish is built that way. He just sticks what 9 or some shit.

45:57.50

christophknoll

Or you were just a big fucking kid. Okay.

46:14.61

Paul

And just was always strong so he actually decided to focus on it and became the world's strongest man just you got to be born for some of these things and men's physique and class of physique I argue are 2 divisions that you don't necessarily need to be born for granted genetics and the way you're built are going to play different roles like I said yesterday. My waist to shoulder ratio um is like pretty gnarly. That's why I'm more built for men's physique than I am for classic but then there are guys who kind of put on a little bit too much size for men's physique and that's when they're like more meant for classic versus men's physique. Um, but like I said yesterday. When you're at an npc show at an amateur show. You would be surprised the difference between men'sph physique and classic physique there really isn't much like my coach being a proman's physique competitor I argue was bigger than half half if not more than half of the classic ze guys competing there at that show and he was and he just competes pro and men'sysique you know.

47:07.35

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

47:10.65

Paul

So it's just like and then like there's a guest poseser for men's open and he was twice the fucking size of the guy who won overall and in men's open. You know so it's like it's the size is nowhere near where it's gonna be at a local show. It's nowhere near the pro level somewhere we're near the olympia level nowhere even closed. Um, so. The the lines are way more blurred when you're at a local competition versus like a pro show or something like that. But everybody compares everything to the Olympia. It's all about the olympia. It's all about the top stage and it's like you really want to see what actual divisions look like go to any npc show. That's the majority of competitors like 99% of competitors. At Npc shows not at or like amateur shows or at amateur shows not even necessarily npc but amateur. That's what most of them look like and that'll give you a good idea of what the divisions actually look like in real life versus the top 1% of 1%. It's like saying basketball is you know you're only good if you're you could shoot like Steph Curry

48:09.25

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

48:09.27

Paul

It's like no, we're talking about the extreme outliers here like the far far outliers is what we're talking about like you can't use Steph Curry as like this is how everybody should be shooting in basketball this just how it is. It's like no, that's not how it is. That's how he is and that's why he's that where he is. You know so. Something keep in mind at least when you're looking at the divisions.

48:29.80

christophknoll

Yeah, and you mentioned Brian Shaw so anybody listening make sure to go watch the shock classic this year. This will be the last time we ever get to see Brian Shaw compete so it's that it's gonna be an emotional one for I mean obviously easy's not you know.

48:40.00

Paul

No.

48:48.45

christophknoll

He's not huge in the bodybuilding world. But if you know fitness you know Brian Shaw and what he's done for just lifting I'm not even going to say power lifting bodybuilding anything just lifting like bringing that positive atmosphere to lifting. Um, deitively go check it out. Um.

48:51.63

Paul

Yeah.

49:00.79

Paul

With a.

49:06.12

christophknoll

I'm I'm blankking on the dates. It's come. It's real soon. It's in August um, so make sure to go check that out because it's the last time and I mean besides Eddie Hall potentially coming over to the olympia. Not we're not getting like it's almost like the end of. And I mean I'm not going to say Eric because it's just 2 dudes but they were they they did they did bring so much to the table. So it's it's it's time to move on and just relish the fact that we have him for this one last competition.

49:29.39

Paul

Um, no yeah, yeah.

49:41.45

Paul

Yeah, he him and Eddie really brought a lot of attention and half authority to be honest, all 3 of them really brought a lot of attention to strongman competitors. It's like it really blew up because of them and again they're like truly the statistical outliers like if you look at like other st strongman competitors.

49:50.84

christophknoll

Um, yup.

50:01.43

Paul

Nowhere we're near fucking Brian Eddies and halfdoor strength like it's it's crazy. It's almost like mind boying I'm like wait this is a strongman competition I'm like these guys are like half their size like they're like my height I'm like what the fuck is going on. But yeah, they're like the actual genetic outliers.

50:05.70

christophknoll

Um, well I.

50:15.37

christophknoll

Um, well bjornson I mean he's like what six foot 9 um and when he broke the the viking carry when he carried the £14000 log did he did it for 5 steps like. It just makes no sense and you're right? those 3 like people were doing lifting these weights before but it's just like the amount of time that arnold put into bodybuilding like it's people who make it popular for other people so that the next wave of people will be able to enjoy it and you know succeed in that manner.

50:33.40

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

50:52.19

christophknoll

So you're right these 3 dudes ah certainly brought it to the forefront because honestly, how many people prior to those three could even name a strong man.

51:04.48

Paul

I yeah exactly I couldn't I couldn't even name really any outside of that outside of those three I I couldn't tell you it's those 3 are the the only three that I know are just because they're just that big. Um, so I just that's just how it is. It's like cbum. It's like cbum really did like.

51:08.90

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

51:20.71

Paul

Bring so much attention to class of physique class of physique has been around since thousand and twelve in the Olympia I'm pretty sure starting thousand twelve but like it really got big because of of cbum really and for whatever reason I don't know I don't even really know why he got big socially and social media. It's just he. Brought a lot of attention to it and granted he has like 1 of the craziest physiques of all time. Um, but like.

51:41.50

christophknoll

I Think it's Physique Plus Charisma for him like when you think like the most appealing man possible like that's where the division looks and he has the physique. But then.

51:50.23

Paul

Yeah, weird.

51:54.61

christophknoll

He's also like facially got good looks like and that's a big I mean it's not judged in the bodybuilding world but outside and in terms of popularity like looking good like facially, your facial structure is part of what plays into what makes someone popular when you're looking at a body and so he has that and then that.

52:09.84

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

52:14.30

christophknoll

I Mean we mentioned it earlier but the the little side Grin with the stash like that is just like Charisma now 99 overall like it when you have those things I think that's what boosts them and like you know we have our like the other guys in the top of classic physique who. Have great builds like we talk about Uz. We've talked about urs a ton on here and Uz has that great physique. But just if you put him in the same room as Sebum his Charisma just isn't at the same level so he still has a ton. Don't get me wrong, but it's just not at the level of sebum and that's why.

52:44.80

Paul

Um, yeah.

52:52.43

christophknoll

He's you know that's why I think he has such an outlier of social media following.

52:58.67

Paul

Yeah, there is. There's a bit more social aspect that goes into it for him at least it's just like he brought a lot of attention to sport just like Arnold did arnold brought a lot of attention to the sport because he truly did whatever he wanted to actually do um but yeah, it's classic eique wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for cbom to be honest. I think half the competitors who are in classic would be immense's phsique and I think like another quarter of them would be trying to go for men's open. It's just the popularity has gotten a lot bigger and classic will eventually my opinion take over as far as the biggest division. Um, in time I would be surprised if within if like 10 years from now. It's still not the biggest I'll be very surprised. Um, men's open is just getting um it' going way downhill lately. AhMen'ssika is also getting up there too. It's getting a little bit more popular which is exciting. But what's also sad is that I've also noticed women's competitions are going downhill as well. Women's bodybuilding is pretty much nonexistent now in the pro divisions. But wellness is getting up there which is kind of cool. Um I really want pekini to go away. It's fucking insulting. But that's just my opinion.

53:59.24

christophknoll

P pretty and then that's not even talking about the new division. We're gonna have where it's just legs. No but but for dudes for dudes. It's gonna be just legs.

54:10.16

Paul

Dode that I mean that's basically what bikini is is basically just judging likes oh imagine imagine did just having like no upper body but just crazy like Tom Plats legs like like built like a bowling pin or some shit you know what? I mean like it just fucking. Ridiculous, yeah, that'd be nuts.

54:27.85

christophknoll

What is ah parapelegic is is down low right? What's what's what's when you're paralyzed up top because those dudes will run the fucking division.

54:33.46

Paul

I don't think there is a thing I don't think that is a thing I'm pretty sure you can't be imagine that you're just like you have the most rare condition in the world. You're one of 1 what is it. You're paralyzed from the waist up. What so I could like walk around but like I can't my back will break if i. Try to stand up. He's like fold in half like you're like back just like rolls back but your legs are still setting up. You're like oh my hips are broken. You're like Hinged. You're like fold in half. Basically that would be.

54:57.83

christophknoll

Um, Jesus i.

55:03.25

christophknoll

Got aware of a permanent Scoliosis brace.

55:08.21

Paul

Literally yeah, you just need like got literally like 2 by 4 on each side of you just to keep you upright. That's what you need that would suck but I don't there's no way anything like that. they' gonna come about but we'll see we'll see what if basic need ever actually just legg switch.

55:18.84

christophknoll

No.

55:27.29

Paul

They I don't think they should that's kind of like the biggest thing that separates his physique from classic at that point it's like if you start juging Lakes Aman's physique. It's like just a little smaller classic physique guys like if guys can't put on that much size for classic. They just do immense physique. It's like There's really no difference between any of the divisions at that point besides size. So I think that they should just not judge legs and keep it that way. But I think that it's okay to allow a little bit of bias I think that if you come in with a crazy upper body. But then you have chicken legs I think personally that should penalize you somehow.

55:47.38

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

56:03.17

Paul

Biasly at least that's just my opinion because that's that's not acceptable. You can't do that.

56:06.10

christophknoll

You have the regular placements and regular awards and then after everyone gets the awards you bring all competitors back out and let the fans do an open Mike Roast session the fan. So.

56:18.81

Paul

Or they do like the judges awards and then the fans awards and like everybody votes that would be kind of fucking sick to be honest, like you do judges and then you do like like um online voting or some shit like everybody goes online and votes for who their favorite was um.

56:29.63

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:35.70

Paul

Like actual physique I think that'll be fucking sick like I Really truly wonder what would happen at like the olympia For instance, like if they had the judges pick their winner and then who the fans would pick and.

56:44.94

christophknoll

Well, you know what would happen is that if we if that happened at the Olympia there'd be just this one and I'm gonna say nobody just because in the in the top rankings. But obviously if you're on the oh you're one of the top bodybuilders. So it's I'm not at all discrediting that but when I say nobody I just mean in comparison and so like whoever places like.

56:58.45

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

57:04.51

christophknoll

Twentieth or something like that that dude would skyrocket to the top because everyone be like let's pick somebody. We've never heard of and yeah, all all the Reddit boys go on and they just choose some random dude. Ah.

57:09.15

Paul

As a troll. Yeah, let's pick number 60 Let's pick this the dead last guy.

57:19.39

Paul

Yeah, that's that's fair that's fair I think a way to weed that out would be like you have to actually pay for the paper view like because like I don't ever actually pay for the olympia paper view I just look at the results afterwards. So like maybe they only allow people who actually paid for it because it's like 40 or fifty bucks or sixty bucks or something for the weekend.

57:30.67

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

57:38.98

Paul

To watch the show. So um I think that that would be a good way of leading those types of people out because even I won't pay for it and I wouldn't do something like that. So like the people who would do something like that Definitely wouldn't fucking pay for it. So that's an idea but I think it'd be interesting I think that'd be very interesting if.

57:49.79

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:56.91

Paul

Did online voting of some sort. It's like America's got talented shit where the judges don't actually decide the winner of the show is supposedly the people who watch you know.

58:03.20

christophknoll

Yeah here when ah when we go to the arnold this next year where we'll just start walking around with a petition be like sign this petition to let us do the vote hang.

58:15.43

Paul

Yeah, just just you and I will will get all the fans who signed they're the ones who can who can vote everybody's who didn't sign that doesn't get to vote your segre segregation at its finest. You have to sign our petition to to vote. Um.

58:23.74

christophknoll

And ah Jesus. Ah.

58:31.93

Paul

And that be interesting, but then the problem is is it might be become like a popularity contest. It's like who's the biggest on social media with the most amount of fans and they'll get the most amount of votes regardless of how they place.

58:43.43

christophknoll

That's why you got to do a blind a blind One of those called um, it's blind something. It's like when you do a placebo test for for drugs you you put people who have never experienced it and like.

58:56.18

Paul

Yeah, or they the only experience they've ever had of bodybuilding is just watching the Ronnie Coleman documentary like like somebody like that just like yeah just hearing the name before.

58:56.35

christophknoll

People who have no idea what bodybuilding is and have them come in.

59:06.46

christophknoll

Ah, not you not even not even that documentary just hearing him go damn.

59:13.83

Paul

Thinking every every guy who fills out his shirt is a bodybuilder that's that's who we need to judge on who's the best up there so he fills out a shirt a little bit. So yeah, definitely probably men's open.

59:20.40

christophknoll

Is the is christoph a bodybuilder to you? Well yeah, he looks like 1 ne's that not at all.

59:31.72

Paul

Chances are.

59:34.12

christophknoll

Um, yeah, let me ah let me do my Nbc debut and men's open just get annihilated and.

59:39.46

Paul

Yeah, exactly. But I I think to be interesting if we introduce something like that I think to be a really fun concept just to see what would happen but I don't think we'll ever see that in our lifetime I don't know if they'll ever do that.

59:54.17

christophknoll

Well well the way that that change happens is Arnold made it to the top and then you started making change up there. So all we got to do is see each other at the o and then we'll ah bless you and then we'll start ah making our making our changes. So.

59:59.11

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yep, thank you? Thatd be I'd be good if we could ah change that up and be sick. But ah yeah.

01:00:11.76

christophknoll

Required ring pop favorite flavor on your on your little next to the number so on your speedo you have your number and then your favorite ring pump flavor. That's just get here's number two Blue raspberry.

01:00:22.73

Paul

It's like so yeah, it's like some like dumbass question like or like they're like your favorite dumb dumb flavor and the guy comes he's like ah like mystery flavor is's my favorite.

01:00:35.80

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, when everyone knows it's lemon. Everyone knows it's lemon.

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