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HGH #46: From NPC Excalibur results to analyzing the Texas Pro


00:00.00

christophknoll

I wasn't going to wait around so hit me with it.

00:03.45

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's um so yeah, my see my audio waves are tiny as hell. Um, yeah.

00:07.23

christophknoll

We we could make it work. We were just talking about how um the excalibber that Paul just ah performed at doesn't give out the sword and how stupid that is because the stored is like the sword.

00:19.41

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's so they gave a reason I guess because this is the first because there's rumors that they weren't going to do it this year and then this year um, they came around to the end and they said yeah we're not doing the swords because.

00:32.27

christophknoll

Are.

00:35.24

Paul

Last year I guess maybe it was last year the year before someone got hurt and like had to go to the er because they got they cut themselves or something on the sword so they can't do the sword anymore. So I'm just like it's always fucking one dude or 1 person just ruining it for everybody else. So.

00:50.98

christophknoll

In the middle in the middle of the competition just go I'm going to resign since I can't get the sword.

00:52.41

Paul

It's just it's annoying.

00:59.90

Paul

Yeah, I'm only here for the sword I'm not here for anything else. Um, it was yeah free sword it cost to me way more to come here than to buy the actual sword but that's all I want is the free sword.

01:02.12

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, trying not trying to nationally qualify or anything. No I'm just here for the sword.

01:14.96

christophknoll

Um, did it I mean I thought it was like buck 50 for entry.

01:16.20

Paul

Um.

01:20.64

Paul

Um, it's like 151 or something per per class. So I mean it's not terrible but um, and then if you take into account driving in hotel I mean I probably spent like six hundred bucks to actually hit the show something like that.

01:38.13

christophknoll

Noka.

01:38.57

Paul

Um, not to mention food supplements stuff like that leading up to the show just the actual comp like competing in the actual show was that was about that. Um, so yeah, it can be can be a decent amount of money just to compete in a show.

01:55.61

christophknoll

Um, yeah, but that is the grind.

01:58.50

Paul

But it is that's yeah, it is what it is. It's I mean the first show I did was about the same price wise because I also had to get my npc card which lasts a year so I didn't have to pay for that for this show. But um I also have to pay for a hotel for this show.

02:16.82

christophknoll

How forwards it.

02:17.35

Paul

So that was a good chunk. Um, it was like 3 hours three and a half hours in that ballpark. Yeah, it just depends on traffic. But I think yeah, exactly um because like you have that's tanning the night before so my ting was at like 7

02:21.66

christophknoll

Oh yeah, yeah, you don't want to have to drive that.

02:34.70

Paul

Check in for the show was at 6 so I like checked in at like six fifteen sat around for a half hour got spray tan done and then um, the next morning my tin was again at six thirty so to like drive there drive back and then drive back there again in the morning you know like that just isn't practical.

02:49.47

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

02:54.20

Paul

Um, so especially when you have ah the tan on you, you just want to lay there. You just don't want to do anything because you don't want to fuck up your tan. You know? Um, so yeah, so the day before it was 6 to seven o'clock um

03:02.93

christophknoll

Was the way in the the day before or 2

03:12.67

Paul

Normally it's like from what I've seen. It's like 5 to 7 or something like that like they give a couple hours to be sure, especially with the tanning but this time it was 6 to 7 which ended up being fine because I think like I think they worked with the tanning people to do that because tenning stopped like the last tenning session was for women stopped at 6 so like. The last one out was like six thirty out of the women's tenning sessions and then it came guys and we start at 7 that was as soon as we started and um I think I was like seven fifteen so I ended up getting in like 20 minutes early um just because they had the spot. You know? um.

03:38.14

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

03:49.51

christophknoll

Is well I was gonna say when you're at the when you're all doing the tanning. Are you guys trying to hide the physiques or is this a point where you're like going either. Oh share. Oh yeah.

03:50.77

Paul

Jeez fucking gonna yawn a million times but um, yeah, so it was like 6 to 7

04:04.18

Paul

It's it's tough because it's like you could have a completely different physique the next morning. So it's like you can't really, you can't really judge it based off a tanning and plus like you still have the second Ta session the morning of and you can still like because I.

04:08.61

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

04:21.37

Paul

I got my tanning done and then had a meal after you know and like so you can show up and look completely different than what you did at the tanning session. Um and like the night before I dropped like over £2 between the first aids mission then second tay session. So it's like you can't like yeah you can kind of get an idea who.

04:33.17

christophknoll

Yeah.

04:41.20

Paul

Is going to look good on stage and who won't but then you you never really fully know for sure. So it's just like I try to ignore it. But I also try to look my best to like psych people out. So it's all just part of the game I guess.

04:56.20

christophknoll

You go from tanning session one to rich beyond his 8 hour arm workout and then come in absolutely destroyed the following day. You don't sleep you just you work out for the entire time.

05:00.79

Paul

He yeah, yeah, you got to you have to I'd have to take like I'd have to take like 12 hours to take that to do that arm session because it can't you can't break a sweat. After you got your tanning you can't sweat so I'd have to take even longer so that I make sure I'm not sweating I'd have to take 3 times as many protein shakes. Yeah, it's a bitch try not to sweat because like I slept in just for the hotel's sake.

05:22.33

christophknoll

Jesus.

05:32.61

Paul

Um I slept him to sweat shirt and sweatpants because I didn't feel like bringing my own sheets and shit. Um, so people do like like if I my wife I would just because it wouldn't be stripping the bed that'd be a bitch or making it really. It'd be making it the next morning with like fresh bronzer like I'm trying not to like get shit on their sheets.

05:36.66

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

05:50.65

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

05:52.19

Paul

So I just slept in a sweatpants in Sweatshirt and it just that was what was easiest. So um, you're trying not to move because like you're you're going to You're so like kind of aren like weirdly sticky. Not really sticky but it's like this weird rough texture. Um, and then like you just you smell like tanning spray. Um, and you just can't sweat so like I turned up to because I when I got my hotel. It was cold as shit. So I turned it up to like 74 my hotel and it took like it was like 6 hours later it still felt like pretty cold. So I thought it was fine but then once I actually like went to sleep I woke up a half hour ah if you fell asleep and was like hot and I was like ah nope nope nope nope no nope so I like turned it way down and just stripped naked and I'm like I'm not trying to like ruin my pan. So I I cooled down for a minute put everything back on then went back to bed. Um.

06:39.34

christophknoll

Yep.

06:46.16

Paul

But it like woke me up because I'm like I'm not supposed to feel hot right now. That's the 1 thing I can't feel so you got to be on top of it. Um, but it's it's weird. Yeah I got turned it down to like 68 69 or something but like it was such a small hotel room like that that's fucking like cold as shit.

06:51.87

christophknoll

You got to keep that at like °

07:03.34

christophknoll

No no.

07:04.88

Paul

Like 68 in my apartment is a very different temperature than 68 in the hotel room. So I turned it way down and just like tried to stay as cool as I could but I mean the week leading up to the show I just is just a bitch to to sleep my mind was racing about the show. The whole week. Um, and it's.

07:24.79

christophknoll

I was going to say start from ah start from like a week so go walk through the whole ah whole prep process and obviously for anybody who doesn't know.

07:30.29

Paul

Yeah, yeah, so um, so the last. Ah.

07:37.20

christophknoll

You know you go through prep the week before a show and Paul just did that so that's what we're going to get a little deep div for.

07:39.54

Paul

Yeah, so I put like overall twelve weeks into the show as far as like cutting and all of that goes but the week before the show is called peak week because the goal is to focus on your peak which your peak is your best look and your peak is supposed to be timed for your show.

07:46.54

christophknoll

Are.

07:59.31

Paul

That's the goal is like you want to look your best for your show. Um, so the week prior to the show last time we recorded a session So last episode was start peak week. Go deal I Know why yan so much when we record. Um so.

08:14.43

christophknoll

That's why you got to get some tea.

08:16.28

Paul

Yeah I got I got coffee right here. It is yawn for some reason I'm not even tired but um, so last time you guys heard from us was the start of peak week. So basically what that looked like was um, was it Sunday or Saturday I think it was Saturday is two and a half gallons of water. And then every day till Friday I drop it down by half by Quarter of a gallon. So Friday I have have I have one full gallon of water. Um, but during that I take one Thousand Milligrams of vitaminc on Monday and then increase it by a thousand milligrams up until Friday. Um, so I'm taking five Thousand Milligrams of vitaminc on Friday and then Saturday every meal I have I take vitamin c a thousand milligrams of it so that ended up being essentially 2 meals. Um. Breakfast and like between prejudging and finals. So that's 2 meals so two Thousand Milligrams on Saturday um, so that's the water portion of it my training changed to Sunday was legs were typically Thursday's legs so Sunday was legs and then Monday is chess tries and dealts.

09:29.66

christophknoll

Um.

09:31.81

Paul

Tuesday is back and buys and then Wednesday is like an upper body pump. Um, so you don't want to go too hard on really any of those days. It's more just focusing on pump getting full stuff like that. Especially that Wednesday and then you know doing cardio in between all of that. So like. Saturday Monday Tuesday I did my normal for ah 45 minutes fasted 45 minutes prior to meal. 6 Wednesday is 30 minutes fasted and then no prior meal six on Thursday Fridays no trading no cardio so that felt amazing to be done training to be done cardio ah felt really good.

09:59.69

christophknoll

Um, time.

10:07.41

Paul

Um, even now it still feels good to be doing just 25 minutes fasted as part of rebound so that's what that looked like um, same yo plan up until Wednesday that I was on at the time which wasn't too too many carbs and couple rice cakes before training a little bit of rice after training. And then sweet potato for meals 3 so really, it was like kind of focused on my workout and then ah Thursday Friday we increased the carbs and decreased the protein so I was taking about half the protein but like triple the carbs so pretty much every meal I had some form of carbs. Um. So that was Thursday friday so that was filling up on carbs that was the goal was to fill up then Friday night when I was at the hotel got some 5 guys. It was like the only place open um Charleston is cool but like when I was I was told to get a burger fries and I was looking around. It was like either.

10:50.13

christophknoll

And the middle.

11:05.25

Paul

The burger was like literally a patty and a button or I paid like $50 for the burger like there's no inbetween. So I just said fuck it I drove 15 minutes away grabbed ah 5 guys and just came back and ate that and. Yeah I mean you saw photos and shit to christoph like it's that was the best we all I've ever had fucking had of my life.

11:24.55

christophknoll

Um, and and and everybody and you knows how um I feel about bad guys. Oh that's in my like every every week diet.

11:31.81

Paul

Oh I love 5 guys. It's so expensive but it was so fucking worth it. Um, and like man. Yeah yeah, I just man. It's just like the amount of dopamine in my system like that one that first bye was just like. Like a weight lifted off my shoulders I didn't realize how like emotionless I've been in the past three months until I had that 5 guys and I was like oh fuck. All my emotions came running back. It was like a waterfall of emotion just I didn't realize like like how depleted I was even with the carb up like I was just so depleted.

11:50.22

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

12:08.44

Paul

And you could see it in my face I took a video you could see my face like my death faces was fully and was fully intact. Um my I was shedding water like crazy I was dropping weight like crazy. Um I was just so depleted and like. Eating at the hotel was a bitch like it was all stressful because I had to make sure I'd um had all my meals and like you take the bare minimum for a hotel is like a microwave and a fucking fridge like a mini fridge I didn't get either of those I had to go I'd leave my. Food in my lunchbox and I had to go up to like the common area. It's a microwave my food like you was such a bitch and I didn't think that that was going to happen so I didn't bring any plates or anything so like it was just a bitch to to make my meals like that was stressful.

12:41.66

christophknoll

No no.

12:53.49

Paul

And then like there's no chair, no table nothing in my my hotel so I just put it on this like a little side desk like it was like a you know like a bedside table and I just bent over it. Ate it and it was just so unbelievably good. Um I think I got some like onions on it.

13:06.59

christophknoll

I was going to say probably even probably even do like the ah the cooler method and bring the ah the roller out with you like you're going camping.

13:14.49

Paul

Yeah I wish I had something like that I would have used that we do have I mean my lunchbox is pretty good so ended up being fine, but um, yeah, it was just it was just stressful and then ah so I had the burger fries. Sent over after about a half hour of after I ate I basically did pushups until failure and then sent sent photos to my coach and um, he just like yeah man, he's like perfect. He's like night and day we just trying to fill up and he was like that burger fries just changing your entire physique. Um, so I just filled the fuck up off that burger and fries and then um took a couple dumps throughout the night and then woke up took my photos then um was was kind of flat but that was kind of expected um committee considering how depleted I was so. Took my photos took my weight set that over coach and he said all right, go grab pancakes, eggs and bacon. So that's what we did I got some black coffee with it. We had to watch. We had to monitor water for the day but black coffee was fine with my breakfast and then. Ah, pancakes I got 2 pancakes, 2 pieces of bacon and 2 eggs is what I got and then I was able to have sugar freee syrup with my pancakes and holy shit was that good. Um.

14:36.65

christophknoll

E.

14:39.79

Paul

Yeah I Just unfortunately I couldn't really focus on my food because I was wearing my sweatshirt and sweatpants. But I was all tanned up so like a couple of people were asking me like oh are you doing like some sort of like bodybuilding shell or something and I'm like yeah I'm I'm meeting right now to go do that and whatever and and then like so they started asking me questions I couldn't even really like.

14:58.24

christophknoll

I.

14:58.35

Paul

All I wanted to do was just watch Tv on my phone. Enjoy these pancakes but people kept talking to me so like that was annoying but it isn' it is yeah they were they were curious so they're asking. Um, so yeah, so I got to enjoy all that and then went to the show and basically like.

15:03.47

christophknoll

Um, you had celebrity status.

15:17.37

Paul

Just found a spot after the athletes meeting because they have an athletes meeting right before the show starts I found a spot to chill I put down like this neck pillow thing and just just like laid down and that was it I just laid there for like 2 hours until I was ready to go on the stage and then when I put on stage posed. Comparisons um came off stage went and got some sushi with my wife and my in-laws and then we went and shopping around local stores and then went back laid down for a little while before getting back on stage at like 4 15 4 30 did finals got rewarded and then we bouncd after that so that was kind of the day of the show but yeah it was a lot it's addicting like I miss prep still like I still like I miss how regimented it was and how like focused I was that week of and as as hard as it was like The night before and the day of the show and stuff like that. It's super exciting when you're getting your spray tan. It's super exciting. Um, just prayy pretend the morning sucks because it's six thirty I afraid that got any sleep. It's like the sun is just rising and you go in and they spray this cold as hitting spray on you and you sit in front of these coldass fans and you're like. Just in your underwear. It's just like this is not what I want to do at six thirty in the morning but um, got to get done.

16:33.90

christophknoll

But I got to go to get you doing my cold plunges in the morning. You'd be just fine then.

16:40.89

Paul

Ah, yeah I mean like it's not just for a couple minutes either like they the bronzer was thankfully not that long. There's only like fifteen twenty minutes of sitting there in cold that's air and getting the the fans blowing on me but the day before I took like thirty forty minutes um just because they needed 2 coats. But let's just be being pale as fuck. So I think the plan now is probably next month I'm going to get a membership at like a planet fitness or something and go tanning and consistently tan maybe 2 times a week two 3 times a week um and then like increase the frequency when we pick a show. You know, like when I start prep I'm going to increase the frequency so that way when I get to the show I have a much better base hand than I did you know with the previous show. Granted I did exfoliate with like body scrubs and stuff like that for plenty of time or plenty amount of time prior to the show like. Because we had victory classic and then we had excalibber picked out. So for the six weeks between victory andcalibber I was constantly shaving and I was constantly um, exfoliating and because of that my body just held on to this the spray tan like motherfucker like we're we're now a week from the show and I'm still tan.

17:48.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

17:52.73

Paul

Um, you know it's kind of it's kind of spotty. It's not like 100% but um it took a while for this spray tend to really start like coming off and it still slowly coming off. So I really held on to it. It was just simply getting the right color and that's the problem with being pale. You know.

18:08.83

christophknoll

Yeah, and also doing you know the I'm going to call it unnatural tanning at like a planet of fit. There's a something just got to watch when you turn up the intensity on that like and start doing like 3 4 times a week when you're getting ready for a show because that's when you can really mess yourself up.

18:10.48

Paul

So.

18:22.79

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I was doing um for a week prior to the show so from like twelve days out to like twenty days out and that range roughly. Um I was going to its attending place in tanning. For a week and um, we kept it pretty low just to be sure I wasn't burning. Um, but ah, it's just to go to a place like that is super expensive to get what I'd get at like a plan of fitness I have to pay like double. So I'm just like yeah I'll just go to a plan of fitness and just. Like keep the intensity pretty low or like keep the timef frame them in there pretty low and just kind of go like relatively frequently and then like increase the um either the amount of time I'm in there or the number of times I go depending on how my skin reacts to it and do that for prep. Um, and then like. A couple weeks out from the show I'll probably pull it I'll probably stop doing it I just really want to get like a solid base 10 where even if I stop going for two weeks my skip my color doesn't change much That's my goal ah because going for that week that I did I got I got tennis fuck going to lie like I got super dark. But then it like mostly went away by the time I actually hit the show because it wasn't like a deep base hand. It was just more so super feible on the top. My skin. So even though it was dark by the time I hit the show I was already back to pretty much being pale. But ah so I'm just going to try to keep going to keep consistent because I know I can contain I just got to I just got to do it. You know.

19:36.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

19:50.89

Paul

Um, especially with this winter and all of that I think it's you know's winter coming up I think it's going to feel good to tan you know going in cold from the winter and then getting in the heat. You know the lamps like the lamps can get really hot So that's probably gonna feel good. So um.

20:06.47

christophknoll

And make sure when you go to ah planet feista 10 you also make sure to go get a nice good workout in while you're there because it's the best place to work out.

20:12.70

Paul

Oh perfect. It's the perfect gym. There's nothing I would ever change about a plan of fitness. It's all perfect. Um.

20:20.54

christophknoll

Ah I'm surprised you didn't hit planet fitness 4 times while you're up here all four days

20:25.24

Paul

Yeah, yeah I missed it I Missed a mis I Miss a lifting it a plate of fitness. Oh yeah I know I'm good but I was a good time. Um I love competing a super fun. Um, gonna get the results I wanted to.

20:33.47

christophknoll

Gardner pf.

20:45.40

Paul

Um, I just wasn't what the judges were looking for that day. Um, we did get a bit washed out carving up too much. Um I think the the pancakes is really what did it because we we look good prior to the pancakes like I look probably my best prior to the pancakes. Um, after the tan prior to the pancakes. So I think it was just a pancake it just we just carved off a little bit too much with that. We probably could have done 1 or just simply had gotten like a protein meal with like a s slide of hash browns or something but um, it is what it is and um. Unk t play terribly? Um I got third and novice and fifth and open setting place terribly but we are also learning to Yeah yeah, we're we're also learning to about how my body responds to prep um victory classic. It was hard to really judge.

21:23.47

christophknoll

I Mean that's first call out both times.

21:37.11

Paul

Like how my body responds to carbo face and stuff like that because we weren't really like that shredded like I kind of had abs like I had some abs but that was about it but like this show like we really learned like how my body responds to carving up and how my body responds to like true like like we did the same water cut but because I think I had a lot. Less fat like we really saw like how much water really was sitting in my fat and sitting in my muscle cells. So I was driving a few pounds a day Thursday Friday and Saturday from the water alone. So it's like we really learned how my body responds to all of it. So now we can go into the next show more prepared. And know like okay, let's not carve up too much. You know like let's let's take it easy the morning of let's do the same thing we did up until the morning of and then you know we'll go from there but um is I think really what ruined the show for me was my solo when I came out for p-judging. My abs were washed out but then getting to comparisons they showed back up. So I think I just I just didn't have an ab pump. But then I got an ab pump while doing my solos and then when I came back out for prejudging comparisons like immediately my abs were there like it's weird cause it's like. I got my center state shots they're up on that npc site. My abs were washed out but then I see photos. My wife took in the comparisons and my abs were there. You know like my abs you could see all of them. So I think it's just ah, it was just a matter of for some reason they just weren't showing up for the solos specifically. Um.

23:09.10

Paul

And also the all the guys I was competing against I was talking to the guy who actually won the overall and he said it was just he was 38 basically every guy I was competing against competing was also competing in the 35 plus. So um, all of them were over 35 or most of them were and then. Um, he said this is his fourth year competing it was his seventh show. He's ever competed in and he's never come close to winning until now but he just got dialed in for this show. So ah, that made me feel a little bit better just because like it sucks losing I'm super competitive. But it's also my second show and he was saying that he wishes that he was like where I am you know he's just like that's awesome like you're in a great spot like this is only your second show like you got plenty of time. So and yeah, exactly and you know I you know he was complimenting my my posing because he doesn't.

23:55.79

christophknoll

And that's motivating.

24:05.48

Paul

He He wasn't the best men's physique poser and he's like I wish I had your posing like poseing's all all dialed In. Um, so like that's that was good. Um I Definitely for sure Had the best posing up there just seeing the prejudging and in finals and all that I mean there was it was just like posing is more black and white than anything like. Ah, because it's is literally about how you position your body So It's It's like it's a lot more black and white than your overall look. So I think black and white wise like I think I for sure had the best posing up there. It's just just the reality of it. But at the end of the day I wasn't what the judges were looking for. Um, Coach saying based off the photos I sent him with prejudging and finals. Yeah there it is yeah so based off prejudging and finals. Um the photos that I sent that my wife took my my father in law took I had the best structure and proportions up there for sure I just didn't I just wasn't the Leanest. Um. So I Think that's what they were going forward just who is the leanest on stage. Ultimately, then that's who they rewarded so.

25:09.11

christophknoll

Yeah I can see what you mean about the abs like I've I've seen plenty of your pictures before to know where your abs are at um so but you definitely fill out your board shorts which I know we talk about that all the time. Yeah.

25:13.47

Paul

Yeah, yeah. Yeah I was the only one who did that everybody else's board choice were Maggie Mine were stretched to fuck because of my legs.

25:27.10

christophknoll

And your back is always a good point of of of I don't know what what I'm looking for. But then you also have just great charisma throughout all these pictures. So.

25:37.35

Paul

Yeah, that was the goal too is to kind of have the stage presence and like because already did Victory classic. All the nerves were gone I had no nerves going out onstage. No anxiety nothing I just went out there I felt calm as hell and just did it like Victory classic I shaking because i' so nervous. But then.

25:46.46

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

25:57.22

Paul

I Got to learn what that's like and be in the spotlight for a second so now going into calib I was fine.

25:59.63

christophknoll

And for well I was gonna say for the victory I mean was your wife even there. Okay, well oh okay, okay I was gonna say if that was different because like I know they were all there for for thexioro I didn't know if they were there for the.

26:07.12

Paul

Yeah, yeah, she was there. My mom was there my in-laws were there? Yeah yep.

26:17.79

Paul

Yeah, yeah, my mom was actually at victory she wasn't at-calibur so there's more people there for me at victory um, but I just it was just my first show. So I think I was just more nervous and didn't 100% know what to expect? Um I've been to shows but like I've never been on the stage. So.

26:19.47

christophknoll

Ah, victory.

26:36.52

Paul

Um, now that you know I hitalibor I didn't really have any nerves stepping on on stage and I felt confident and ah smiling. There was one part I wasn't smiling I think it was the comparisons and novice originally within about 10 seconds and I was like wait I got smile. So I smiled again. Um. But yeah, it's just my back. My waist held on to some of the carb up That's my other problem is that my leg love handles hold on a lot of fat so that kind of help hurt a little bit but like my back has always been lean my arms and legs were lean like in my front pose. You'll see like if you look at my teardrop. My left leg. Um, you'll see like muscle striations like my my legs were were pretty dice. Um, even after the show as well. So it's just it was just a matter of I think my midsection was washed out and that's really like all that you need to lose a show I mean I know guys who I've seen guys get destroyed on stage. Just because their obliques were washed out like their abs look fine but then their obliques connecting to like their lats get washed out and they lose because of that like happen to my coach.

27:43.84

christophknoll

I Was gonna say the the guy who won your class His abs are kind of wash too like I mean his obliques have a little bit more definite. Maybe it's just the angle but I definitely see.

27:52.51

Paul

It depends I gotta pull it back out.

28:03.15

christophknoll

And and I mean not and he also looks I mean respectfully a little older too. So you've got plenty of time.

28:07.30

Paul

In this victory. Yeah, he yeah he was 38 so he's on the older side for um, not that he's old. He's on the older side for competing. Um, so let me see I'll pull up the show here.

28:24.66

Paul

Um E f oh my gosh seriously.

28:30.62

christophknoll

It's crazy how much bigger your chest is than the guy that ah that placed beneath you in class.

28:37.78

Paul

Um, oh yeah, yeah, the ah and.

28:39.46

christophknoll

I mean chest is always you your strong suit. But it's crazy to see that comparison and even the guys who are like just above you like the guy above you get screams Gno the the one who plays just above you.

28:50.63

Paul

Yes, see so like yeah I got I got to pull that up. So the guy so we did yeah novice be what and in novice B or in open.

29:04.59

christophknoll

So I'm looking at your class hold on where is it class c.

29:09.51

Paul

Oh Okay I think it's both the same guy. Okay open class C Yeah so novice that guy his posing was all right. The guy who beat who just beat me a novice that his posing was all right. He had good shredded doubts like he he just was very skinny. He didn't have much. Muscle Overall he was just very very lean like you can't really tell in the um, the solo photos but like you put me next to him and I was like twice his size. Um, he's very Skinny. He just came in very lean. That's the that's the thing he had going for him. So like that's the reason he beat me his posing is just not there.

29:36.69

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

29:47.10

Paul

Like if you look at um, the guy who beat me in novice Donny he's posing's just not there. Um, which sucks because if if they based anything off of posing like I probably would have won because so many guys posing was so fucking whack? Um, but yeah, looking at.

30:02.27

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

30:06.38

Paul

Ah, guy who beat me in open. Yeah, he was a classic competitor. Um, that decided to so like you see his classic photos. Not really his men's physique photos you see his classic photos. Um for I don't maybe maybe you can see his men's physique.

30:24.84

Paul

Yes, he men's physique aren't there so or wait. No, that's classic waiters there. It is yes see he doesn't have his men's his vensive men's physique photos aren't posted just because he did classic so they they posted the classic photos. But. Yeah, so he beat me I think just out of sheer size I think is all it is just because he was a classic competitor but like he I think looking at his photos I think the biggest thing with him that I notice now that I now that I'm looking at his photos. Is that he was definitely like on the larger side at 1 point because it looks like he has some like like leftover skin which I mean if that's true then you know good for him I mean nothing but respect for that. But um I also think that like leftover skin kind of.

31:02.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:13.90

Paul

Almost in a way gives the illusion of more definition because it's weird because it's like if you're tight if you're tight your skin's completely tight. You'll see everything but then when you have like a tiny bit of loose skin. It adds almost like more lines to your skin so it almost makes you look like you're more striated then. If you didn't have any loose skin. Um, but like his yeah see I don't know I Just think that like personally even just like my. Solo shots which aren't even like that good I'm very upset about my solo solo shots even just looking at my solo shots I think that.

31:57.24

Paul

Yeah, my eyes are just washed out. But I just wish they had like the prejudging photos because I mean the comparisons I Wish they had the the comparisons. Um because I would have made. Maybe they do let me see. Um.

32:08.91

christophknoll

Um, the guy the guy in the men's classic physique 45 plus masters division is an absolute unit. So he's yeah is the only one who was in that.

32:14.21

Paul

Yeah, they don't.

32:19.27

Paul

The guy in classic physique 45 plus you said.

32:26.95

christophknoll

Particular thing and he's an absolute unit his name's Patrick Narbiger or something nibagar something like that just absolute unit. That's so funny to see like but that's that's what we talk about with like um.

32:29.50

Paul

Yeah. Yeah, good for him. Yeah, he he did.

32:41.72

christophknoll

In the future only of kids and just wanting to be the biggest dad there like that's him.

32:43.52

Paul

Yeah, yeah, just what's so like what's interesting about a he won classic. Okay, yeah, So what's interesting about the Masters guys is. You see how guys truly look backstage like when you're backstage or in the dressing room where we were Victory classic was like a big like open area. It wasn't like a dressing room. But in this case, Excalibber's dressing Room. You truly see what these guys look like because on stage like that's going to be essentially like their best look. Um. I Just wore a sweatshirt and sweat Pans Somem Backstage I didn't want anybody seeing how I looked but like seeing the older guys like onstage they could hide it pretty well but backstage their guts extend a lot like they don't They can't like pull really pull a vacuum um and stepping backstage.

33:26.70

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

33:34.46

Paul

Their abwol is very large typically um, underneath their actual ab insertions and then they also have typically very large intestines because they've been alive longer. So their intestines have enlarged so that's something you see backstage which is the kind of the case for Patrick he looks phenomenal on stage like he looks absolutely insane. But then when you seem backstage. It's like the age shows a little bit but like at the same time like I really hope I can look like him on stage when I'm his age. Whatever his age is so it's just it's just interesting to see the difference between backstage and and onstage. But then the guy who won bodybuiling men's bodybuilding tevin whatever it is he wore.

33:59.99

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

34:13.73

Paul

You would never have fucking guess he competed men's open like he sitting next to me on the athletes. Um stage I could have sworn he was gonna do men's physique. He just he ah like he probably got a crazy pump before stepping on stage but like he didn't he didn't look massive.

34:28.69

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

34:29.87

Paul

Like he wasn't massive like he didn't look like a men's open competitor at all like I would have guessed maximum classic physique but he didn't do classic. He ended up doing open and he fucking won. Um, but I just it's interesting to see the guys with the eyes posing is just way better than everybody else's to.

34:47.31

christophknoll

That's what I'm looking through right now and he's able to do all sorts of different poses like flexibility is certainly there for him. So.

34:47.47

Paul

Yeah, solid is yeah, he's got a solid as posing. Yeah,, that's the problem. A lot of guys have it's just shit shit posing. Um, yeah, he's got good posing. But yeah, so he he you know good for him for wedding. That's awesome I Don't really know him I just I just saw him walking around and stuff. Um, the guy who won classic was you can kind of tell like when you saw him backstage so many guys compete in classic almost like. Lowers the standard in a way because so many guys want to compete in classic now. Um, you're getting guys who just starting in the gym to guys who know what the hell they're doing doing classic. You know, um.

35:31.29

christophknoll

I was going to say looking up the looking at the classic physique and what I would probably be class c that's the tallest 1 right.

35:40.40

Paul

Yeah, chances are I think let me pull up class c here. Yeah, whatever the height yeah you would have been in class c against Adrian Adrian was that guy was I don't know him but he seems so upset he didn't win open or like overall I mean yeah.

35:56.17

christophknoll

Yeah, well, it's surprising that he was able to pull that high of a placement I mean the tattoos like we've talked about it but you can certainly like the vascularity is a lot harder to see through the tattoos.

35:59.33

Paul

I think.

36:08.63

Paul

Yeah,, especially because he has so many tattoos in his midsection in his chest like arms and legs aren't as big of a deal but like having it in your torso like that really takes away from your physique. They don't care really as much anymore like if you just ignore the. Ignore the tattoos you can pretty much see like everything you need to see but you got to take into account that sometimes they'll have unconscious bias. Um, so I mean I understand this frustration for not winning overall. But at the same time like I Totally get why they gave the overall to the guy who won overall like it totally fucking makes sense.

36:33.92

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

36:46.83

Paul

Like looking at looking at the guy Joseph Ray Ah just like looking at his like front double like his front. You know he could use some more size in his arms and like his front double could use some work as far as posing goes but like conditioning his night and day between him and the other guy who won class c.

37:00.27

christophknoll

So yeah, there's a lot of there's a lot of gray hair on this stage. So you're you're ahead of the game brother.

37:05.20

Paul

Let me see Aaron Greggs yeah Aaron got last and classic not surprised. Yeah I told you like look at look at like men's unique. Yeah look at men's physique look at how many guys competed in masters. Like they because tons of the guys who competed a masters competed in other classes too.

37:21.55

christophknoll

Well, that's that's what I was going to say like ah the the where I ah all the way up at um, super heavyweight and men's bodybuilding that that's just that's just a regular dude.

37:32.47

Paul

Um, yeah.

37:35.50

christophknoll

Like look and that's that's just a regular dude up there. Go super heavyweight. It's the 1 dude gary that's just a regular dude. That's.

37:36.44

Paul

Where oh Gary Fuller oh okay but there yeah he he's like 70 something though I think like he was he's on the older side so he's been around for a while.

37:49.37

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

37:55.61

Paul

And he was saying something about like how I don't know if I don't think it was him I don't have to look for it. There was also a guy where he look at Garrett young the teenager. Yeah I didn't even know he was. I don't mean to be that guy. Okay, so the teenager who competed in open no men's body building guy so I didn't even know he was competing I saw him I saw him sitting at the the checkin he didn't have a button or anything like you have like this like button. That's your number i't even think he was competing. He didn't.

38:11.86

christophknoll

Where's that truena. Yeah yeah I got it.

38:31.40

Paul

Is the problem with like bodybuilding sometimes is that like you have more muscle you have less muscle than you think you do and more fat than you think you do and I saw I'm sitting there and I'm like damn this kid's young I Just like didn't think anything I was just like yeah he's just a young kid and he had his girlfriend there or something. He just reminded me of my cousin who's like.

38:37.54

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

38:50.88

Paul

13 or something. She's like yeah kid young and then um I'd even see like he didn't look like he was abnormally tan like it just looked like he went to Florida for a week so like oh okay, and then I saw him at the show. Yeah does he? Oh he does shit he does.

39:01.38

christophknoll

I think he has braces I think he does.

39:10.30

Paul

Um, and then I saw up the show backstage and like maybe he's like visiting something someone and then he fucking did ah and then he did 10 men's teenage open I was like oh so he was competing this whole time. Interesting I don't how old he was but it just goes to show like the do. Yeah.

39:24.58

christophknoll

And open to.

39:28.97

Paul

Yeah I mean it's yeah, men's bodybuilding. Yeah, it's it just goes to show though the um, the big differences that you're gonna see on stage between people and then also look at this fucking Chp I was so upset so guy in.

39:46.36

Paul

Me see is it class b Yeah so fucking. Okay, so go to men's physique and then go to class B look at who got last fucking rightfully. So.

39:53.70

christophknoll

Immensely like a.

40:06.66

christophknoll

He's He's a big dude. Oh oh wait. Yeah wait This is yeah, men's fit. Why is he wear.

40:06.84

Paul

Yeah, he's a open competitor Richard Craig I don't mean to be saying guys names ignore the guys' names guys. It's just so that he knows who don't care because they stay well.

40:21.29

christophknoll

Why is he wearing a speedo for men's physique.

40:24.61

Paul

He's not they they posted his men's open stage shots. They didn't post his men'susique state shots but he if you look to the right you can see men's physique n pc sc excalibber men's physique fifth you'll see that on the right like contest history. So.

40:29.00

christophknoll

Okay, okay.

40:39.54

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

40:43.66

Paul

He um, he fucking put on board shorts. He had to borrow someone's board shorts. He didn't come with board shorts. He he registered you have to register by all for all this right? like you can't just like show up today of or like during the contest decide to do another division. You have to register like at least a week ahead

40:55.49

christophknoll

Sure.

41:03.10

Paul

Or something like that like a few at least a few days ahead so he shows up no board shorts. Ask someone to borrow board shorts and guy' like yeah I got an extra pair you take it on my bag. Whatever and then he like puts him on. He's just like he's like all y'all are doing mens physique is out here. Men's open guy I put on board shorts trying to you know. Compete in men's physique and he's like laughing about it I'm like dude, it's insulting. Granted thank god they gave him fucking last but it's insulting because he's like he's like making fun of men's physique and then he goes out and steps on like and I just like there is this part. There's this one time I still remember this it' so fucking dumb I was standing there.

41:22.70

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

41:38.68

Paul

Pumping up with a resistance sp I'm like way out of the way too like I'm like looking in this mirror and then I like turn to the side and I'm like pumping up and just like flexing everything and then he has to like he's walking past me behind me and bumps into me I'm like I'm not even moving like I'm planted and this should bumps in at me like.

41:56.65

christophknoll

Um.

41:58.17

Paul

It's like it's like imagine like you're the only car on the highway and like somebody cuts you off. It's like dude, there's really no reason for that. There was so much more room so issues like he just definitely just felt like he had like he had like he definitely had ego issues.

42:07.54

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

42:11.67

christophknoll

Yeah, definitely thought he brought in a like a better package than he did.

42:15.84

Paul

Yeah, let me see so he got first in men's master's 40 plus in Bodybuil but then he got second and heavyweight and I think that's I mean he he write a her for men's physique. So I don't know if he was like.

42:21.35

christophknoll

Yeah I see that.

42:30.47

Paul

But like he really wanted to hold on to like oh I'm bigger than everybody on men's physique and it's like yeah because none of us fucking aimed for men's open dude. Um, but yeah, so that's that's kind of what happened backstage and there's so much like I only talked to the guy who won men's physique that guy lance.

42:36.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:49.46

Paul

Was the only one I ended up talking to but like there's so many people like buddy buddy. It was so clickish it was weird like a lot of these I meanreed a lot of these guys who competed in excalibber also competed and then like the Tampa pro or like the tampa pro am so like there's a.

43:07.20

christophknoll

So um, all I'm going to say is ah if you go to men's bodybuil middle weight and third placement.

43:19.74

christophknoll

I can be I I could beat that with my physique right now not in prep or not doing anything like literally. Yeah I'm just sitting right now.

43:21.70

Paul

Seemans bodybuilding.

43:30.20

Paul

Yeah, that's yeah yep Yu Hip Pip Pi Pip Oh no I I get it I get it. It's um.

43:41.24

christophknoll

I Don't mean to like pull anybody out, but ah, that's yeah.

43:46.99

Paul

When there is I was getting text from my wife and I was sitting down there and they were like my in-laws were saying that I'm bigger I was bigger than like half the dudes on stage for men's bodybuilding. They're like there's like five six guys that they called out in the beginning like the teenage and then like the true novice guys. They're like you're bigger than all of them.

44:04.73

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:06.55

Paul

She's like why aren't you on men's open stage I'm like I Just don't compete in that I was like but.

44:10.97

christophknoll

Well I wonder if at a at like the Npc level. You'd be able to at least get your foot in the door with that like not if obviously like if that's not your your end goal but just based off of what we're seeing here might as well.

44:18.60

Paul

How do.

44:26.50

Paul

Yeah I could totally step on stage for classic physique in npc for sure I don't know how well I do but I could totally step on that stage. Um, especially legswise I could totally hold my own legswise. My arms would need more size I would need more size overall. But like if I really wanted to next year I could probably hold my own.

44:31.49

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:43.44

Paul

Um, classic physique and who knows maybe I will just out of fun out of the fun of it. Maybe I'll throw in like like a novice class or something like in in class I could just like walk away with a dub out of default because there's only there's 1 guy competing in novice class b um in classic physique.

44:53.49

christophknoll

Are.

45:02.74

Paul

So he like won by default he wasn't competing against anybody. Um, so I could just win by default I Just be like Iha I competed in classic. Yeah exactly I did even I don't even compete in classic and I still brought it. But.

45:04.45

christophknoll

Yeah.

45:10.36

christophknoll

And I won.

45:21.72

Paul

Yeah I mean it's possible. But yeah, so for the next show I don't know when it's going to be. We got an eight week rebound right now. Um, so we're putting on as much size keeping off as fat as much fat as possible. Um I put on like £7 since the show but a lot of that is water. Um. My vascularity ultimately almost feels like it's better now than ever. But I held onto a lot of water my midsection. That's just where I store everything so my abs are still there. They're just not as prominent as before which is fine I took my way in photos this morning and I was like okay, it's not as bad as I thought but also this past week has been. Like as you were aware I was up in Massachusetts so it's been um, a lot you know a lot of traveling a lot less sleep than usual sleeping on a couch versus a bed. So. It's not as comfortable and then training and eating at very different times. So like this whole week is just kind of throwing me off and then also like working at different times you know so.

46:05.31

christophknoll

Yeah.

46:16.43

Paul

It's it's been a lot this week but this week coming up I think will really kind of tell where we're at so I should be able to to lose some weight I gotta to get my fiber supplement again just to help with digestion because I'm just I'm holding on to fucking everything that I'm taking in right now. So. I'm gotta to get the fiber stuff and backck in my system help that use that to help me out there. But yeah, so eight weeks rebound um I'm thinking what's most likely gonna happen is gonna be a pct after which is post Psychotherapy two to four week pull psychotherapy not sure what that's gonna be but um. Doing that and then probably 4 to six weeks off cycle depending on where we're at it's possible that we plan for like let's say you know like an April show possibly if not. Then we'll do the same thing we did this year where we bulk from. We'll do like a blast bulk from like January to April blast isn't just like anabolics is just the term for anabolics usage. Um, it's like a lean bulk January to April probably or even sooner than that and then getting into another prep. For a show spring summer next year so I think either spring or summer next year is my next show pretty much either way. So we'll see how that goes but that's the plan as of right now. But.

47:30.93

christophknoll

Um.

47:39.53

christophknoll

Yeah, and just spend the whole offseason just you know getting couge and then cutting back down and doing your thing.

47:49.50

Paul

Yeah, we um, the goal is to just be a much better conditioning place for this next show we we end up hitting versus you know these previous 2 shows just because I had to lose a lot of fat going into victory classic and also going into ah excalliber so we had to really push the envelope. And really had to deplete me, especially go to victory and then again and into excalibber excalibber is prep was arguably easy in comparison to victory and you talk to anybody they'll tell you your first show is your hardest prep. They'll say the first show is the hardest by long shot. It gets easier from there and. You'll see that too with like different competitors and all of that where the leaner you get and the more shows you do the less susceptible. Your body is to change. So it's like with offseason for instance, all like the pro competitors and shit they'll get. Cheat meals twice a week because their body can afford it. You know they're at a lean state. You know they're putting on size like crazy you know stuff like that and then when you're in prep like the more actual prep I do the less cardio I have to do and the more food I can eat because we're at a much better place conditioning wise for this. So for like this next show.

48:44.96

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

49:01.91

Paul

If I were to start a twelve week prep right now we would just do like barely a deficit like that's all we would really need. It's just like a tiny tiny deficit for like 8 to twelve weeks and then like hardly any cardio like probably just what I'm doing now like 25 minutes fasted every morning. Ah, 5 times a week that's pretty much it. That's all I would need because really once I shed this water like if I shed all the water I took on this past week I'd only maybe like maybe be a pound over stage weight you know so it's like we really wouldn't need to do much effort or put much effort in in order to get lower fat. Ah so like that's the goal is to really just like. Keep conditioning pretty good and keep abs kind of year-round now at this point that's that's the goal at least in my opinion like that's my goal I want to keep abs year around I want to be able to feel comfortable with a shirt off year-round and then at the same time I also want prep to be easier. So like.

49:50.76

christophknoll

Um.

49:54.83

Paul

Scalibper was easier than victory classic by a long shot but we also had to really push Exalibber as well. You know the amount of of Anabolics I was taking the amount of cardio I was doing the lack of food for a couple weeks like there's a couple weeks there where really my main source of carbs was 2 rice cakekes prior to my workout. But then you look at guys who stay pretty lean year-round and then get into a prep. And they're taking in you know, 3 times the amount of carbs I am the entire so the entire prep they just don't have to get as they don't have to lose as much fat so they can really just do like a slight deficit the entire time and just really refine. The overall look and really just nail the peak. So I like that's a goal. Right now. Um, and that's the problem that I have when I see other guys competing and stuff is like a couple of my coaches clients like they they didn't have to push it as hard and it just sucks because it's like like you had no idea did like you'd like. Going into that show. You know you're eating this or that and you didn't do any cardio and all of that and it's like it just sucks because the amount of effort I've had to put in just to lose somebody who didn't put as much effort in but again it it comes down to that's the difference in everybody's bodies. You know I started off. Pretty skinny fat with my coach and we put on a lot of muscle and a lot of weight you know so like even though I was one of the bigger ones up there for the kind of for the most part. Um I just wasn't the leanist. So now we just got to get the fat dialed in over time and lose it and then my next show I mean I'm really truly aiming to overall win I was aim to overall win this show and we.

51:27.55

christophknoll

Are.

51:27.57

Paul

Definitely could have if we didn't just get washed out from the pancakes which we didn't know what's going to happen retrospect you know hindsights 2020 and looking back. It's like oh I wish we didn't do that but we didn't know that was going to happen. We thought that I was going to fill out more and look even fuller on stage not washed out. So. It is what it is. We just learned that Lesson. So now we can take carry that knowledge to the next show and and do for better. But we to watch out. It's very possibly could have won.

51:54.63

christophknoll

Yeah, and I was going to say too with you having to work harder for especially prepped and some of the other dudes like that just teaches you to be tougher and to have the better discipline and like when you get to the point where like let's say you're like that dude that we've talked about who bumped into you and all of that like. When you get to that age or and that like you're computing across different divisions too like you're just not going to have that mentality because you have a different appreciation for it than anybody else. So if anything the tougher things that you have are better for you.

52:24.29

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, that's a good point I mean I I more so earn it than anything. Um, it's not something that's kind of given to me like some of these guys have really good genetics and this is kind of given to them. But at the end of the day you talk to any.

52:30.63

christophknoll

Exactly.

52:40.67

Paul

Bodybuilder who's up there in the prodivisions and all of that and they'll say that hard work beats talent 9 times out of 10 and that's kind of what I have to rely on just because I don't have just genetics necessarily to shed the fat but I do the 1 thing I will say is I do have the genetics to. To put on muscle and to be strong like the second I got carbs in my system I'm like crushing weight in the gym. Um, you know I actually surprised myself with how much weight I was lifting in the gym. So it's like I have the ability to put on muscle and the ability to put on weight. It's just shedding. It is a little more difficult for me I can do it which is good I'm not like. Whatever they call mesomorphs where it's like almost impossible to lose fat. But I'm not one of those I'm just kind of in the middle I'm more so leaning towards like if you if you want to classify it as ectomorph endomorphine mesomorph I'm more so like leaning I think Endomorph is like kind of in the middle I'm like a little more endomorph.

53:19.35

christophknoll

Yeah.

53:35.63

Paul

And comparison to like Mesomorph. So like I'm kind of in the middle but like leaning towards putting on weight easier but taking off fat I can still do it. No problem. It's just I just have to put it. Not really no problem I just have to put in more effort to lose the fat itself all maintaining muscle. Ah so that's my 1 problem but some guys just are built to. To lose the weight and some guys just have to really put in the effort to put on the size you know, um, but for me I have no problem put it on size I have no problem put it on muscle. It's just simply doing it. You know, but the show I got to earn.

54:06.73

christophknoll

Yeah, I'm definitely caught between I'm definitely caught between actcto and like a eco Endo like hybrid just between the two just because of how difficult it is to size up but I am lean year round. So.

54:16.35

Paul

Ah.

54:21.40

Paul

Yeah, let me see let me just make sure I'm I'm saying them right I gotta look them up.

54:29.56

christophknoll

No you you have it right? It's Ec Actcto is when you're from the skinnier side tougher to put on than um Endo is middle. Um I think you are right on that.

54:40.35

Paul

Yeah, so actually so I had it backwards. So ecto is the skinny meso is the middle and endo is the large so I'm like I would say I'm like Mesomorph but then like 10% towards endo morph where like I could put on.

54:44.80

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

54:51.64

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

54:55.77

Paul

Like I'm I'm more mesomorph than anything but I put on a little bit way easier but also like this is also just these are just body types like I'm just talking like I wouldn't say I necessarily have like any like I would say I have more of like a mesomorph body type. But like as far as weight putting on and weight taken off. That's how my body reacts I would say yeah you probably lean more mesomorph with your body type but putting on weight you're more like an ectomorph like you have more difficulty putting on weight.

55:17.38

christophknoll

Are.

55:28.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

55:31.19

Paul

And you haven't even really done like a cut yet. So we don't really know like you could you can get like tons of size and then you to get a cut you just fucking your fat just shrolls up and you just like you don't even have to really try. You know like we don't you would we don't know quite yet until you do one how your body's gonna respond. But as far as what we can tell from your bulk at least.

55:39.77

christophknoll

Yeah.

55:50.61

Paul

You're leaning more like your mesomorph leaning more ectomorph with putting on the weight but body type more mesomorph ectamorphs are just like sticks and then endomorphs are like square like as far as body type goes ectomorphs are very skinny sticks Endomorph is like very square round bodies that. You know or kind of all the chunk here side. So now I'm more mesomorph than I am at endomorph as a kiddo's more endomorphic but again, this is a very large generalization. It's you can't really put like.

56:09.84

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

56:20.98

christophknoll

I was going to say that's that's 3 categories for all of men. So.

56:27.40

Paul

Yeah, exactly you can even use it for women too. It's just it's just a very large generalization. Um, you just got it. Yes I mean it's not like it. It's not a hundred percent for everybody. It's just ah, one way to look at it I guess um.

56:45.18

Paul

Yeah, so I mean you can even like so like women essentially have like so like you can use those for towards women too. But then this one saying medical news today says that there's 5 for women triangle inverted triangle rectangle oval and hourglass. But then men have ectomorph mesomorphine endomorph.

57:02.92

christophknoll

So I was gonna say that the ones you just listed for female way more like detailed than what they're looking for too and Ars is like yeah you're 1 of 3 things right.

57:03.19

Paul

So I mean it just I guess it just depends on how you look at it.

57:15.21

Paul

It's almost like when you look at it like they're almost opposite so like mesomorphic you have wider for women. It's like wider hips narrower shoulders. So you have like more so like an hourglass but then men is the opposite. You have a narrow waist and wider shoulders. So it's like a V you know? so.

57:29.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:32.27

Paul

But then endnomorphic they're kind of describing us like an oval an ectomorphic is more of like a rectangle so like your skinny stick straight but then aomorphic is like your kind of your belly kind of protrudes a bit um no matter what you do and some people were just like that some people just have like the store like I saw a lot of my fat. My Laura Belly and hips. But like. A lot of people just have like all of their all of their fat in their belly entirely. So looks like they have like a beer belly constantly but they don't it's just the way your body distributes. It.

58:00.65

christophknoll

Some people actually just do have the beer belly. So.

58:05.54

Paul

This is true. Um, especially in the south you see way more be braley down here than you do up north. This is true and we more confederate flags up north than you do down here. Also so many more I saw this guy he had a front plate and then above his plate was ah was a confederate flag I'm like that's I I've already seen Moreph plates and.

58:08.92

christophknoll

Yep.

58:13.51

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

58:22.74

Paul

In Massachusetts or like more confederate flags in Massachusetts in four days than I do like in a month down here I like there's none. It's weird. It's so weird. Yeah, it's central and western mass that has all of them the closer you get to Boston the less common it is but um.

58:27.92

christophknoll

Yep, and it's it's it's this area too. It's the woods because we live in the woods up here.

58:38.10

christophknoll

Yep, yeah.

58:42.74

Paul

Yeah, so to add more to what the show was It's it really sucks not being what the judges wanted but at the end of the day I do know that you know based off what my coach said and based off what other people said that overall I brought the overall best package to the show. Just wasn't what they were looking for and we'll talk about that later Locan Franklin kind of fell victim to that as well this weekend so like that makes me feel better in a way like it sucks for him, but it makes me feel better that like it can even happen to the pros and so with the show as as. As much as it sucks to lose you know I'm happy for the guys who win I don't want anybody who's competing to feel the way that I do so um I know I can handle it emotionally so I'm just happy for the guys who won because the guy who won very nice guy. His wife or girlfriend whoever it is she competes as well. She ah she was talking about how she's won regional shows. But then she went to a national show and got dead last she's like the national shows are just a different stage. Um, there's a different level of competition. There. She said it's a lot of fun. It's it's very much fun. Putting in nationals. It's way more organized. It's way more streamlined. Um the competition's way harsher the posing is way more dialed in. Ah so national stage is a different stage and then from there. Ah pro pro stage is even even bigger. But.

01:00:13.91

Paul

She was like 40 or something she said she's been competing for like however, long and she finally got to the national stage and got wrecked but she said she still loves competing in regionals and as well and wants to get back to the national stage I think she ended up winning I think she won. Me see did she win I don't think she won I got to look I I don't remember which let me see I don't know.

01:00:34.30

christophknoll

Ah.

01:00:46.47

christophknoll

So I was just going to say too while you're looking for that. Um, can you imagine how stressful a household is having 2 people in prep at the same time.

01:00:54.40

Paul

Off actually you know what actually be less stressful to be honest, yeah, so she got second in master's 35 plus is his girlfriend wife whoever that is so ended up chatting with her about it. But I would say it's less stressful because. I mean yeah, the emotion side probably more stressful because you're kind of especially at the level they were at and the shows that they were competing it. It's very much possible I don't know I'm not saying for sure. It's very much possible. She was also on something as well and 2 people in the same household being on shit. But definitely not agree together like it definitely would not mesh. Well you can you can emotionally keep it under control I could keep myself under control but that can be stressful, but as far as the food goes and the training and all of that. It'd be a lot less stressful because if we just had the food in the house that the 2 of us.

01:01:37.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:01:53.17

Paul

As far as the prep goes then we wouldn't cheat at all like there's no temptation nothing like that. We'd both be like dialed and and motivated so that would be the good part but then the emotional stuff with like potentially what you're taking could be the issue but um, yeah, so to add.

01:02:06.20

christophknoll

Yeah I Just think of it on the just like I think of on the side of how we talk about trend being the relation of Killer and having like obviously not. She's not going to be on trend but like just the possibility for all the hormonal imbalance.

01:02:14.40

Paul

And yeah.

01:02:22.97

Paul

Yeah, it's possible. Um, it's not as I think the emotional side isn't as obvious for women as it is for men hard to say but I think that it's not as bad for women but I don't know who knows I don't We'll never experience that I don't think page will ever be. A competitor So I don't think we'll ever experience it and it's Fine. Um, because I I got ah like when I'm in prep I'm focusing on myself instead setting on that stage so or stepping on that Stage. So and I love it. So if she doesn't what I do. That's totally fine is what I do for myself. But yeah, so. To add more to what I was saying is that after the show. Oh She's teenager competitor. Okay I couldn it tell good for her. Um, after the show. Um I got ah burger and fries at this fucking.

01:03:04.79

christophknoll

And.

01:03:17.85

Paul

Um, as place it was there. They just serve burgers and fries like different types of burgers and they have like this Jack anticoock my my father-in-law got it was a foot lawn. It was like literally like fucking two inches thick it was it was sick but they they specialized in burgers and beers. So got a really good burger from there. Got some good fries. Um, and then got Thousand Island dressing on my burger which is awesome and then we left got some ice cream which tasted amazing I got honey butt ice cream tasted amazing. Then we drove back the next day I ate whatever I wanted basically. Um, I really only had like 3 actual meals kind of snacked here and there but that felt amazing. It's well I felt like shit but it felt nice to eat what I wanted for the day. Um and enjoy that because. That's all that I needed pretty much to get kind of dialed back in from like being motivated after that one day I was just like all right I'm ready to get back at it. You know eat the meals that I was eating before all of that so you know just that little break is kind of all I need and ideally at this point we're gonna. Over the next week we gotta stay stick to the plan to kind of get the fat back down and the weight back down but I'm hoping that over the next eight weeks we should be able to get a ref feed in once a week by the sushi burger especially when we are cause like if we're gonna do a pct and.

01:04:43.74

Paul

Be off cycle for that's probably like two two months probably overall is probably what we' do for pct and being off cycle to clean out. We'll probably get some bloodwork done make sure everything's kind of back to normal and then we'll get back on gear but that that two months right? There is probably gonna be maintenance so it might be like a slight deficit. Or like perfectly maintaining and then probably maybe like a feed here and there every week or every other week and then the blast I'm hoping I'm really praying to god we have I'm able to get a feed in once a week because it sucks like from April. August this year I got I mean besides the shows I only got like 1 refeed and that's my birthday if you don't count the day of the show or the day after the show. Ah I only got really like that one refeed for my birthday. That's pretty much it so like going four months eating on plan. Dialed in constantly. It becomes tiring you get kind of burnt out and it's a lot.

01:05:45.10

christophknoll

I was going to say it's it's a big thing mentally like just to be able to like even what I do where it's once a week just being on Saturdays going getting that one meal that's way off of plan like mentally it saves me so much stress because.

01:05:56.37

Paul

Yeah.

01:06:01.95

christophknoll

You know it can be super tiring eating the same thing over and over and over again, but just getting that one moment and it's like I always do it after workout too. So I'm feeling good anyways and then it's just like biting into it. It's like ah.

01:06:15.70

Paul

Yeah, exactly it's it. The biggest thing is that even that like like yeah of course I look forward to suing the burger. It's it's more so like almost like ah like a countdown in a way. It's like all right I'm like it's tuesday. Few days it we have the burger and Friday and then it's Wednesday all right Saturday come on. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go Thursday come on. a couple days friday come on it's tomorrow you know it's like it keeps me like motivated to keep going because I have that reefy but when you have the same food over and over again and food. You don't really even enjoy that much. Um, and on top of that you pull even more and more and more out over time. It gets really burnt. You get really burnt out like the last couple weeks prior to the show for excalibber for me food wise and really just mental health wise was probably the hardest because it wasn't the lack of food. It was more so like. Taking out artificial flavors. So then I couldn't have preor out I couldn't have energy drinks I couldn't have gum nothing like that it was just like water and some coffee with like my equal my equal my coffee and that's pretty much it then the week prior of the show we had to take out artificial sweeteners. And that sucked because all I could have is water black coffee like mustard and my supplemented salt in there like that's literally it like I couldn't even have like like I could even have for a few weeks prior to the show I couldn't even have seasonings that had salt in them because we had to supplement salt in.

01:07:25.48

christophknoll

Ah.

01:07:30.60

christophknoll

Yeah, um.

01:07:41.40

Paul

Precisely to to match my electro lice shit right? So like um, which I mean I'm back to the normal Salt amount Now as far as how much I'm supplementing in so it's it's still decent amount but it sucks like not even be able to have seasonings or salt in it because every fucking seasoning has salt in it like you have to buy seasoning that.

01:07:57.98

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:08:00.30

Paul

Advertises no salt on it in order to get a season with no salt. It's a fucking bitch and on top of that it just doesn't taste good like no no seasonings with no like seasonings with no salt is basically like if you get like I have like a barbecue seasoning. That's no salt. It's basically just straight paprika. That's like all it is. It's like it's just not that good. You know, um, and like you got Mrs Dash yeah you can yeah like I'll put that on there and I'll put a little bit of mustard and then I'll put my actual salt on there and it tastes fine, but it's just not as enjoyable like my favorite seasoning ever. The the number 1 ingredient assault like in.

01:08:19.60

christophknoll

You can make paprika work though you make just paprika work.

01:08:37.19

Paul

Like my 2 favorite seasonings I love old bay on fish love old bay and then I love kinder's barbecue blend on everything else and both of those the main ingredient soul like that was that was so hard for me and then um, pulling out. Like the equal out of my coffee just ruin coffee for me because I like my coffee suite I don't put cream or anything in it. But I like it sweet so pulling that out just fucking ruined coffee for me I didn't even enjoy it really anymore. Ah, plus see but here's the thing like I can enjoy black coffee like.

01:09:05.97

christophknoll

Ah, well see you go get used to just true black coffee. That's where it's at.

01:09:13.74

Paul

Um, what did I get like I have like so like I have a decaf food lion just generic brand coffee and that tastes good black but then like I have like death wish as well and that's not very good black. It's super. It's like paper thin Steve I find it.

01:09:29.62

christophknoll

Ah I disagree man.

01:09:33.60

Paul

If it was thicker than yes, but it's paper thin I'm literally just feel like I'm drinking water with some black flavoring like black coffee flavoring like it just doesn't it doesn't have this like thickness to it. Yeah I don't know it's just like like when I have that decaf It's got like ah like you know you're drinking coffee.

01:09:41.64

christophknoll

Well, that's when you scoop more.

01:09:53.42

Paul

But like death wish it's like I could taste the coffee and all of that. But it truly just I don't explain it. There's no way to explain it. It just tastes paper thin like it tastes sharp like not okay now the flavor tastes sharp. The consistency tastes sharp where when I have like decat like the decat food line coffee. It tastes.

01:10:02.36

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:10:11.30

Paul

The the consistency is more round I Don know how to explain it. It's like the difference between like cold water and hot water. It's like when you have cold water. It feels more sharp where hot water feels more round and like that's kind of what ruined it for me I'm just like yeah I just feel like I'm just drinking straight like cold water even though it's hot coffee. But.

01:10:21.33

christophknoll

Yeah I can get that.

01:10:29.75

Paul

That sucked. Um and then lack of gum really sucked I didn't realize how much I chewed like the problem wasn't even necessarily chewing gum like at home. It was chewing gum in the gym like I I'm always chewing gum in the gym. It's what keeps my mind busy. It's I'm fidgeting I always fidget between sets so it keeps me.

01:10:43.79

christophknoll

Creating.

01:10:47.57

Paul

Fidgeting. It's my is chew my gum. Um, that keeps me going and then taking that out really sucked. Um, and then on top of that we pulled adderall out of my system a couple weeks prior to the victory classic. So like not having that in for like two months like really just lowered my overall quality of life drastically.

01:10:48.77

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:11:04.29

christophknoll

I was going to say that's like the 1 thing that's actually prescribed to you.

01:11:07.24

Paul

And like yeah, it's a prescription and she was like I know it sucks but trust me like you you really hold on to a lot of fat taking that which we talked about before on on the podcast but he was like yeah trust me Like. It'll It'll really change everything for you. So I pulled it out but like man my quality of life is fucking better on Adderall. Let me tell you it's just.

01:11:27.89

christophknoll

Yeah, because I mean that's like the 1 thing that's actually supposed to be intaked in your system.

01:11:33.47

Paul

Yeah, yeah, and it's just the the lack of dopamine sucks so bad and that was that was also the other problem too is like the caffeine and energy drinks isn't even necessarily for focus or anything. It's just so I have a baseline dopamine because I don't have any adderall my system. So I was drinking energy drinks and caffeine and all of that to feel better. And to enjoy things in life. But then when we pulled energy drinks and then pulled the equal out my coffee. Maybe not even want cough anymore and lack of energy drinks just just like fuck I just don't feel like doing anything ever. So the last two weeks prior to a show just sucked. That's that sucked the most but then like immediately after um. My show was it after my show or that next morning I think I immediately. The first thing I did was I had coffee I was like oh is so good. Good to sweeten coffee. Yeah and pulling out artificial flavors. Even then.

01:12:21.16

christophknoll

Yeah, and even just that one cup can bring you back.

01:12:31.90

Paul

I Love flavored coffee like I have all these different flavored coffees that are like flavored beans and like that sucked too because like I did just drink regular coffee which I mean I enjoy regular coffee but I enjoy my flavored coffees more so that was also hard too I could get used to that if I still have my equal. But.

01:12:33.49

christophknoll

I.

01:12:47.74

Paul

Then we pull decom. It's like fuck this sucks.

01:12:50.65

christophknoll

Well the art artificial sweetener or yeah, the artificial sweetener pull um also takes out you know like you have your diet cooker zero sugar Coke I have like my diet doctor peppers and whatnot like that pulls that too which is which is tough and even preworkouts. But.

01:13:01.49

Paul

Yeah, yes I forgot about that. Yeah, so the prework outs I okay I could live with no prework out I could live with it. That's okay, it's do I get a lot better pump. Absolutely but at the end of the day I can go train with some basic caffeine in my system. And if if I can have my salt prior to training I'm cool I'll get a good pump I'll be fine but also pulling out those sodas sucks so bad too because I'd have like a soto a day soda a day just relaxing watching Tv and like that sucked but they do have I do know this now. How I got through this show.

01:13:36.40

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:13:40.68

Paul

Was the week prior to the show I couldn't have any artificial sweeteners or flavors. But what I did get was um, like those like so like seltzer waters you know, like ah Coca-cola has a brand I think I got good and gather was well which is Target brand so like even though there's not a ton of flavor in there.

01:13:51.98

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:14:00.80

Paul

That helps too. Um because they're all naturally flavored. There's no sweeteners and them nothing like that. It's like ah, kind of like lecroix like a Lacroix kind of drink you know? Um, so like that helps. Um, so I drink that when I'm taking a shower or something. It's just basically just flavored water and i' say drink that when I'm sitting but also. Something that I had two weeks out was xvia which is you any grocery store will have zeviia. It's a soda that uses stevia as a sweetener and I didn't know this until literally like three days before the show xia is a natural sweetener I didn't know that like I thought.

01:14:34.47

christophknoll

See you so you you could have gotten away with it.

01:14:35.72

Paul

I know it comes from a plant but I thought the process made it artificial. Essentially yes I could have gotten away with Zevia but I mean it's not the best tasting soda to me because I don't like stevia um, the the flavor of stevia for me I just don't like the flavor. Some people love it.

01:14:49.20

christophknoll

Um.

01:14:54.60

Paul

Ah, it's just not for me some people same way with um so sweet and low and equal I Love both of them I think it's um I think it's aspartame or something I Forget what sweetener it is exactly but I love those so like chewy for instance, right? He loves Stevia but he doesn't like equal. Where I like equal but don't like Stevia it just it just depends on your state your taste buds. It's like people who like cilantro like I Love cilantro. But then there's people who hate Cilantro. You know it just depends on your taste buds and Stevia is one of those things that just whenever I Taste Stevia It doesn't taste very sweet at all. But it's got this flavor to it that I Just don't like so.

01:15:22.53

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:15:31.40

christophknoll

Aspartame is the one that yeah asperames in like all the sodas we drink the all the zero sugar ones. That's what's in there and it there's like.

01:15:31.57

Paul

Zvi is good.

01:15:35.81

Paul

Yeah, yeah, so I know that but you see.

01:15:43.92

christophknoll

And there's like no long-term clinical studies on aspart team. So we really don't know what it's doing.

01:15:49.15

Paul

I Mean we do know that it' yeah, okay suulose. That's what I think that's what it is I think equal is suose Um, let me see um I think both sweet and low and equal are both the same thing and I think they're sureose.

01:16:07.72

Paul

Dex shows with Naattodextrin aspartam okay so it does asparttain. So um, sweet and low is similar sweeten low is sweeter than equal so in a way I like sweet and low more really Walmart asshole you gonna have me sign in just see the nutrition label. Um, so I like sweet and low more because it's it's more sweet than equal is ah okay so one packet is less than four calories is what it says so really I should avoid sweet and low just because it's added calories. But.

01:16:41.94

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:16:44.80

Paul

It's um, the ingredients. Why does none of them have ingredients on it me see. Yeah, it's nutritive dextro saccharin cream of tartar and calcium silicate. So it's the net the nutritive dextro um that sweet and low is for the flavor the sweetener where equal is um, the dextrous as well as aspart team. So I love both It's just so see zeia has a stevia in it which I'm just so like xia tastes fine. Especially when I'm a prep but when I'm not in prep. There's no way I'm gonna go out of my way to go grab Zevio when I can have regular 0 sugar sodas so that it did help though.

01:17:30.66

christophknoll

And that's just also part of the quality of life because like even though they're not really doing much else. It's just like a little bit of enjoyment like and during your day I think I have like 1 or two a day and like.

01:17:43.38

Paul

Yeah, it it helped oh for sure for sure. Um, it's it is a lot easier to get through the day when you have like that one soda that you look forward to and.

01:17:45.58

christophknoll

I Just look forward to those meals more even though it's the same thing I'm eating every other day.

01:18:00.79

Paul

Um, it's it's harder to get through the day when you don't have it like even the zeviia like even though it's not the best tasing I got like the ah creams sickle one. It wasn't like orange cream stickle. It's just regular creamicle or whatever like the the cream soda that helped me a lot more get through the day because I could look forward to my one soda that I got a day.

01:18:08.18

christophknoll

And.

01:18:16.88

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:18:19.89

Paul

That's what I I made sure that I only got that one sort of so that helped um, but yes and now I'm able to at least ah you know, get back to equal and get back to you know, 0 sugar supplements and all that. So. It's It's better now at least.

01:18:38.79

christophknoll

Yeah, and overall was a good experience but not everyone had the experience you did if we want to bridge into the the the Logan thing we want to talk about.

01:18:54.40

Paul

Yeah I just want to talk briefly about that. Um, so there was a Texas pro that happened this weekend and Logan Franklin competed he got ah I think it was third or something like that I think it was third. And he fell victim to something similar to me where I think he just wasn't what the judges were looking for that day I think he could have totally have won personally I think that Logan brought the best package up up on stage. The. You know I think the guy who won he totally deserved to win I think it could go either way between him and Logan I think Logan totally should have fucking beat Robert Tims um it's fucking mind boggling that Robert Beat Logan Robert

01:19:44.79

Paul

Looks like yeah he's got a frequently small waist but he totally looks like a men's open competitor. He does not look like a classic competitor but that's just my opinion. Um, so looking at the top 4 here in this photo right here. Yeah, he just Robert Tim's just he has.

01:19:49.95

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:20:02.94

Paul

He has crazy lats like I think that's like 1 of his best features is his lats are just fucking crazy. But I think overall the guy who won I could totally see him beating Logan I just think that Logan should have won personally I think that Logan had the best structure he had the best classic look. He. Has that narrow waist. He has really good vacuum his lats are wide like he just looks like he looks like he'd belong in the same realm as like cbum as an ers you know like they have that classic look all of them have that same classic look um, but then Robert Tims just doesn't he's just fucking massive I feel. But the guy who won which is um, ah fucking what's his name J Hunt Park he got fifteenth overall at the olympia last year so like it just goes to show. Yeah.

01:20:51.65

christophknoll

Yeah, so he's that was yeah I was gonna say he's like basically just getting ready to go back like that's like yeah yeah.

01:21:01.80

Paul

Yeah I mean that's what Logan was doing too. He wanted to get his Olympia qualification I think is what you get with the overall of this show is the olympic qualification I could be wrong. But I think that's definitely what? Ah. Logan is going for is just getting back to the Olympia. So it sucks that he lost. But I think you can go back into it hit another show in a couple weeks and look even better good for the guy who won it's just I again I just think that he kind of just fell victim to something similar to what I fell victim to which is just he just wasn't what the judges were looking for that day and. Top comment. Um, well actually that's men's physique news that that commented that but there's also let me see let me look up. Ah there's a couple Instagram pages that I follow that talk about bodybuilding just the results of shows they just post the results. Basically.

01:21:55.60

christophknoll

Well I was going to say a Logan's vacuum beats anybody up there I'm looking through all of them and his vacuum is just so much better than everyone else.

01:21:56.40

Paul

Um.

01:22:02.49

Paul

Oh for sure for sure. Um I'm surprised that yeah they haven't been posting I don't know why Anyways, I don't know where I saw it. Um. There's a page I follow I Just forget the name of it.

01:22:25.84

Paul

Um I don't remember let me see if I could find the pre-judging photos for well there's something I read. There's a comment but like like men's physique and classic esique. We both had instances where. It could have gone to anybody in the top even like 4 you know it's just it's just a matter of what the judges were looking for like the the fourth place guy is just di dice to the fucking gills like does he have the best classic pose or classic look not necessarily but he was seen conditioning I think he just kind of.

01:22:54.11

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:23:02.22

Paul

Kind of got outsized a little bit and just didn't have the best proportions comparison to everybody else, but like we're also talking about like the best of the best in the world here like this Texas pro is a pretty big show each year ah and these guys all look phenomenal. Men's physique. Is was on the more controversial side to who could have won so if you look at who won it's max rep versus so max rep which is what's his name. Obviously it's max but let me see what his actual name is so Jeremiah Maxy said my max. Yes, so he it was him versus.

01:23:32.95

christophknoll

Jeremiah Maxy yeah but

01:23:37.29

Paul

Um, me see.

01:23:41.91

christophknoll

Quarants.

01:23:43.49

Paul

Yeah, whoever got second so like looking at so yeah max maxio whatever posted the the top 2 So when you have an instance like that where you have 2 maybe 3 guys up there after.

01:23:46.19

christophknoll

Yeah, his name's Clarence Mcspad and

01:24:02.80

Paul

First call out that typically means they know who's gonna be third and after that they know who's gonna be third fourth fifth sixth but top 2 were pretty close so it could have gone either way personally I think conditioning wise I think the guy who got second. Had better conditioning overall. But I think the guy who got first had a better front pose back pose Second place fucking destroyed him so I'm surprised in that sense that the first place guy won but I think the front pose guy whoever is in second.

01:24:38.79

christophknoll

Um.

01:24:39.82

Paul

Front pros for the second guy he could have done better with his pose. His pose is not very good. His front post is not very good. Ah I think that kind of hindered him because he was hiding his back lat if you look at the guy who won second and you look at his front pose. You'll see that his hat his back lat is kind of hidden where the guy who won his lats are way more prominent and also the guy who got second his arm his outer arm like those guys pose the way I do they're lefty posesers I think it's lefty I don't know what you want to call if his left ear righty but with the. The left arm being relaxed with your right hand on your hip. His arm was definitely extended way too far out like he was definitely pushing his arm outwards which kind of made him look a little weird with his overall physique. So that kind of played a role there I think ah so.

01:25:27.69

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:25:35.55

Paul

I Think personally it could've gone either way, that's what's so hard is that like it just comes down to what the judges preferred and again photos killing do so much Justice you need to see people on stage in order to to know where someone's at in the competition and that's.

01:25:41.12

christophknoll

Um.

01:25:53.15

Paul

Also kind of what I fell victim to too like I don't think I look nearly as good in photos as I did on stage in my opinion like my like there's a photo I posted I don't know if you saw it thought there was like when I was on the diagonal with actually like good lighting in the back and everything was popping. You know my waist looks small back there even though I was relaxed.

01:26:07.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:26:11.45

Paul

You know my arms look bigger. It was just the lighting was different. So like that you know the photos and the lighting kind of I felt victim a little bit more to that than like not showing up. You know also not showing up the way I wanted to but I think that I look better on stage than I do in photos.

01:26:25.39

christophknoll

Okay, okay.

01:26:28.75

Paul

So we can only base it off the photos and you talk to anybody who's gone to shows and stuff like that and when you see people on stage. It's completely different than seeing people in person and I was talking to someone yesterday about that and he was saying like I mean I look at he's like you may not look it. But.

01:26:39.41

christophknoll

Okay.

01:26:44.95

Paul

Chris Bumsted is just light years ahead of people. He's like I went to the olympia last year and you could see and I'm like no, you can tell him photos he's fucking light years met of people but even on stage he's like twice the size of all the dudes up there better conditioning and half the size of their his waist like his waist is like halfthe size everybody else's it's just he' in a hole into the league.

01:26:49.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:26:57.49

christophknoll

Um.

01:27:04.52

Paul

So seeing someone on stage will look different than seeing people in input in person you know and that's what's also upsetting about my show was that because all these guys were on the older side and they just happened to present something that the judges were looking for when I saw them backstage I truly felt I could've beat all of them because. They're all older. They all had wider waists. You know they were more boxes built um and like that guy who beat me who just beat me in both Classes. You could see how skinny he was Backstage. It was just he just didn't have any muscle definite any muscle maturity or thickness really or Density. So. It's like when he beat me I justs like fucking really.

01:27:40.11

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:27:41.96

Paul

Like it's like you should have seen him backstage like I like it would have been night and day. But it is what it is So it's just this is the game for you. This is you guys are seeing it. Um, you know through the eyes of you know me now competing in it and then also seeing results of shows that you see the politics kind of involved you know so.

01:27:58.93

christophknoll

And I was going to say like this is also your first 2 shows like in year from now 2 years from now when you've got way more into your belt like having these conversations are going to look way different because you're going to be in just a different spot and the competitions going to be.

01:28:01.36

Paul

It is or it is okay.

01:28:15.69

christophknoll

Yeah, like you're going to see competition differently than you did now.

01:28:17.35

Paul

Yeah, for sure, especially when I win like my first show like that's gonna feel so good I was expecting to win this show which which sucks we just didn't show up the way we wanted to but at the same time It's like you got to have a positive outlook you know and as up so as sad as I am about the placing I'm not upset. It is what it is the judges made their decision. Nothing I can do about that. You know it's not like a team sport where you can be upset with the performance of the team. You can't really be I'm not upset with what we brought to stage could we have done it differently could we have come in better. Yes, but also like you said it's my second show you know all these guys I'm competing against. Done many shows and they've gotten it dialed in you know so like 7 shows what I will bring in 7 shows from learning from all those previous 6 shows I'll be able to bring an even better and better better look every single time I step on stage so 7 shows in. Will be 100 % a million percent different physique than I did to my second show you know so that's what I'm holding on to it's just like I got time time's on my side and that's something my coach said he was like time's on your side you got plenty of time all the guys you're competing against I could see it are way older than you you know you got way more time. Everybody I was competing against is something that was said was I'm like I say who said it but ah so everybody else competing against onstage. They're all past their prime and none of them gonna make pro. They're all old. They're all like for competing wise they're all older.

01:29:45.20

christophknoll

Um.

01:29:48.74

Paul

Changes are none of them going to make pro but I'm young enough to absolutely make pro in my lifetime for sure. So it's just a matter of putting in the time and sticking to it.

01:29:59.58

christophknoll

Yeah, and I was going to say even the people who like not just like you know masters or whatever the people who are have done 7 plus shows or whatever like even the people in true novice like those are still older dudes starting later like you're just so much ahead of the curve in terms of.

01:30:14.76

Paul

And.

01:30:18.73

christophknoll

The starting point. So just gotta keep writing that.

01:30:20.96

Paul

Yeah, see the guy I lost to his name Donny he was in true novice I don't know what his age was but like that was his first ever show and he just ended up just being a little bit leaner than I was but also like the other thing too with a lot of these older guys like they. Put in so much more time to lose the weight than I did like a lot of these guys competed in the Charlotte pro which was april I started my prep in April you know so like if I had more time and put in more effort. Not really more effort but like if I'd put more time into it and I wanted to like really trim the fat down we could have started prep.

01:30:48.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:30:58.36

Paul

January You know for Victory and then like really gotten less and less fat but I needed to put on the size and another thing that I felt kind of victim to is that because these guys were all older. They had a lot more muscle maturity you know where my muscle was there.

01:31:14.59

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:31:16.30

Paul

But they've had the same muscle for 15 years You know it's like that's muscle maturity for you. They could stop training and their muscle will still be there two months from now. It's just that's muscle density is muscle maturity stuff like that. So I also kind of fell victim to that but over time because I'm just 25 over time muscle maturity will increase increase. Also density will increase my overall size will increase. Everything will get better. Um, over these coming years. So it's just just sticking to it.

01:31:40.24

christophknoll

Um, well it's it's like when you when you like I know slap somebody on the belly when they're younger and they have belly it kind of just gives way but you slap somebody on the tummy and they're like in their 5060 s and it's like a fucking rock like even if they don't work out. It's just.

01:31:55.17

Paul

Yeah.

01:31:58.30

christophknoll

All that like packed in stuff and so if you're working out and now working out for Decade Plus that's just like solid solid like material right? there? Yeah no exactly yeah.

01:32:06.68

Paul

Even with like a beer belly like even guys with a beer bellly That's all that it's hard. Yeah, it's all just like you said it's all packed in there. So like the muscle maturity plays a role as well and that's why like doing it now is important versus doing it later because you know I think my coach went pro at 30 or something. So. Like if I aim to hit pro by 30. That's five years I still have five more years of competing at regional and and national shows before I get pro hypothetically like if I that was my goal. My goal is 2 years I would love to make pro within the next two years if possible um but it's just. Matter putting in the time putting in the effort and learning really. That's the biggest thing was just like that's the biggest takeaway from the show is was learning how my body responded to prep how my body responded to every aspect of it including the water cut. Ah this show these regional shows. We didn't do too much of a water cut just vitamin c. But if we were to dabble in like diuretics like I'd come in even more appealed like that's the other thing I also got to consider too is that I only took vitamin c I didn't take anything harsh for diuretics some of these guys on the stage probably took some harsh ass diuretics that really fucked them up and. Will put on a ton of weight after the show you know, um I put on I mean even just on vitamin c and you know just doing a basic water cut in that sense I still put on probably five six pounds of water right? after the show let alone if I did a diuretic I mean cbum.

01:33:23.95

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:33:38.54

Paul

Talking about how he started diuretic like four or five weeks out from a show to start sheting all the water like you know what? I mean let's like these guys are taking diuretics way longer and weigh harsher diuretics than you know I was taking all I was taking vitamin c that's over the counter. That's um, that's a natural diuretic. You know so.

01:33:54.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:33:57.23

Paul

Um, we didn't lose a shit ton of water we lost maybe like four or five pounds maybe £6 at most probably of just actual water where if I took a diuretic I probably could have lost like £12 of water you know. So yeah, exactly we didn't want to push the diuretic envelope. You know we didn't want to push that aspect of it I mean.

01:34:07.90

christophknoll

And just been so much leaner.

01:34:16.49

Paul

Even national shows like I know athletes who who do kind of something similar like they'll just take like either vitamin c or like Expel which is on the more natural side' a little harsher than vitamin c but take expel take a microdose like a tiny tiny dose of a ah diuretic. Prior to a show just to get that last bit of water out and then step on stage like still not even touching it for like national shows a lot of these athletes some of these athletes that I know of aren't even touching really harsh diuretics for a national show a little on a regional show. But then these guys who are on the older side probably had to take diuretics like harsher diuretics to to step on stage. And like that could have been that could have been it like it could have been just literally just if I just took a diuretic I could have won but at the same time there wasn't any need I didn't need to There is no point of pushing that when I have so much more time to get it more dialed in for later shows.

01:35:00.66

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:35:09.49

Paul

And then when we step on National stage or pro stage or something like that. That's when we'll start dabbling in diuretics to make sure that I come in as peeled as I possibly can So it's just a matter of experience.

01:35:17.60

christophknoll

Yeah I mean it's also part of it's also part of the longevity game like you're in your first two shows. There's no reason to overload everything that you do and take because you want to you know know what? it's like step by step if you did everything all at once you're like. You have the potential just it's like why the first cycle is never a bunch of compounds. It's like you need the time to figure out all the individual steps and then get your way all the way.

01:35:39.73

Paul

Me. Yeah, it's it's less is less is more and if we can figure out how my body responds to every little aspect of prep over the span of a few shows then we can really put all that information into like let's say like show 4 for instance, if like we still learn something from show 3.

01:35:50.10

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:36:03.34

Paul

Do the best chauffur will be able to be like all right? We learned all of this this. How you're respond to this this this this and this let's dial it in boneless nail. All of this show up to show for and I you know I could have like a night and day difference in in my physique for that show for instance and just when you know it's just. it' in each show is an accumulation and an accumulation of knowledge gained and experience gained and applying it to that show and you'll learn more and more and more and more and that's why like the guy who won the show he was like it's my seventh show and I haven't come close to weddings because he's learning every single show. And you know he's only been competing since he turned 34 you know he was 34 when he started. He's 38 now. So like it is harder for him to get more dialed in you know and um, this guy know sent me a photo and he was like he's like I know it's not your place and that you've wanted but look at the difference here.

01:36:41.60

christophknoll

Yep.

01:36:57.92

Paul

And there's a guy who competed in the Olympian classic physique six years ago he was losing men's physique in regional shows and he showed a difference so it's like even just 6 years you know plays a gigantic role if you put in the time and the effort. Um and now he's on the biggest stage in the world in classic where. Originally he started out getting decimated on men's physique. So like I'm kind of in that boat now. So I just got to put in the time the effort and get where I want to go is just you know I was just doing it now and keep my head high. That's what's so hard. It's just accepting it. You know like that it sucks so bad.

01:37:28.67

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:37:34.81

Paul

Because you put in so much effort. It's it's like I don't even know how to explain it it just you just you really just I Really just fucking really got depleted really put in a lot of effort so much stress on my family. My wife and then just to to lose it just it sucks. It's like why? what was the point but then. I Love competing I Miss Prep already I Miss stepping on stage already. Um and I got to stick to it and I learned from it. My coach learned from it. Everybody learned from it. So I think the next prep is only going to be even easier if we could put on some size loose a fat ideally over the next. However, many months. Next Prep will be even easier and then be easier easier every single pre will be easier and easier and easier. You know. So yeah.

01:38:17.86

christophknoll

Listen there's there's a grandotdal of 1 instance and and men's bodybuilding when quitting because of not winning is was acceptable and allowed and that's lavroni getting second year after year after year after year. So you.

01:38:32.52

Paul

Oh my gosh. Yeah.

01:38:36.51

christophknoll

That's the only acceptable time to do it so until you do that at the Olympia you're not allowed to use it as an excuse to stop because he had what six second places something like that.

01:38:43.19

Paul

Um, yeah I feel for him I think gayy color had the most second places for the olympia I think that's four I think and he goes forward was the most for the olympia. But I think overall yes see he was.

01:38:51.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:38:59.95

Paul

Doing so many shows each year I'm looking at his Wikipedia page. He did so many fucking shows he was averaging like 3 to 5 shows a year 9094 he did like was that 9 that's 8 8 shows. He did 8 shows in 1994 but

01:39:05.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:39:16.29

christophknoll

Jesus.

01:39:19.79

Paul

Mr. Olympia he got second at Ninety Two fifth and ninety three third and 94 second and ninety five third and 96 fourth and 97 fourth and 98 fourth and ninety nine second in 34001 second in two thousand and two six in 2003 I guess he did it again in 2016 got seventeenth and then. He did the 2018 art classic Australia and that was it but dozen 3 getting Sixth. He kind of threw in the towel after that.

01:39:45.37

christophknoll

Yeah, like that's the only acceptable time to call a quits because of not making it.

01:39:49.69

Paul

Yeah, he got robbed so many fucking times. Dude he has such a good physique. It's damn shame I Wish you cheek it up And yeah, yeah, he had.

01:39:58.87

christophknoll

Yep, So until you reach that point you can't use that.

01:40:06.98

Paul

Such a good fucking physique. He he got so rod but he also looks I mean even though he lost a lot of his muscle and gained a lot of fat and all that he still looks really good for his age like if you look at a recent photo like there's a photo shirtless one if you look up Kevin Levrone is black and gray and like. Even though he doesn't look like what he used to on stage or competing. He still looks amazing. Um, yeah, looking at him on stage and looking at him in photos and shit he had a phenomenal physique. Um, next to Ronnie I think it's just size I think Ronnie was just. Massive massive massive massive compared to Kevin and that's why Ronnie kept beating Kevin but also Kevin was beat. He beat ronnie for the longest time he was beaten Ronnie for many years. Um, until Ronnie just showed up one day and that's the day he won his olympia and that was it after that.

01:40:51.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:41:01.17

Paul

But yeah, looking at okay here looking at the 2000 Mr. Olympia I mean come on Rody versus Kevin come on. That's not even fair rod was in his own fucking league. He's like to see bum of men's open. He was in his own fucking league. Um, yeah, like. That's fucking ludicrous I'm looking at the back photo from 2000 Olympia that is absurd. Um, yeah, absurd. It's kind of fuzzy at least on my screen. It's like pixelated but then here's him versus Dexter Jackson

01:41:24.30

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, I'm pulling it up right now.

01:41:37.41

Paul

Yeah I think he beats dash Dexter Jackson personally a little softer in the arms but better everywhere else. Um, yeah, he just he had the best. Yeah, see the twenty eighteen hour classic he kind of became in soft, not too much abs stuff like that it just he just was. Yeah, he he I think he just wanted to compete again I think but like looking at him in the offs he is in fucking absurd.

01:42:08.23

christophknoll

Yeah, you can definitely see the aging on him in the in the 18 Arnold like he's not I mean he still got great physique. But um, you know dev definiteatively doesn't have that look. He had.

01:42:10.86

Paul

Yeah, oh for sure, especially for his age.

01:42:23.62

Paul

Yeah, it's it kind of I mean but that's okay I mean that's just what happens with age and he also like he took that's thirteen years thirteen years difference that's ah that's a long as time or is it fifteen I I think it might be 15 years that's a long as time between shows. Ah.

01:42:32.18

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:42:41.28

Paul

But see might see him on stage back in his heyday fucking. He should have won the olympia at least once especially before Ronnie stepped up there. Yeah, he definitely deserved it I think that Flex Wheeler deserve better than he got but at the same time.

01:42:47.28

christophknoll

At least once.

01:42:59.81

Paul

He Flex Wheeler just bodybuilded because he just had the genetics for it. That's the only reason why? um yes, he second eighth Fourth second second third seventh that was all Mr. Olympia um, so I think he. I think you should have done better in the men's olympia I think he or Miss Olympia I think he should have probably won maybe 90 8 ninety Nine best look and Ronnie thinks that he should have won to he said Flex Wheeler was like if you could have had any physique it would have been flexes.

01:43:34.00

christophknoll

And yeah.

01:43:35.34

Paul

Flexes that he thinks was the bestike up there. He thinks that flex even beat him. He's a guy just truly think that he was up. He was on unbeatable, but it is it is yeah roia is just he just eventually.

01:43:43.30

christophknoll

But then you know Ronnie was Ronnie but.

01:43:51.76

christophknoll

But Ronnie's even the Ronnie was even the story of you know, failing again and again and again because he was like what 30 something when he want his first out like.

01:43:53.37

Paul

Pulled ahead and just just on his own.

01:44:02.32

Paul

Yeah, let me see his platings.

01:44:07.11

christophknoll

Because he was not doing like all that well I mean he's still professional, but like you know what? I mean.

01:44:14.83

Paul

Me see I'm looking up his like yeah so like he's placing pretty rough for the longest time fifteenth at the 90 ninety Four Mr. Olympia 1995 he got eleventh and then he said I think he was the 96 where he got sixth. That he was like wow I could actually win this and then he got ninth ninety seven Olympia and then 98 e got first and that was it it was raining it was he was a rainigning champ up until 2 and 6 he thousand 6 he got second he tried again. That's when Jake beat him.

01:44:34.61

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:44:50.24

Paul

Try to get him 2007 got fourth and that was it. That's what you threw in the tell he he went out swinging. You know he went out trying to do his best and just once he got forth. He was like all right there. There's no more after that. Um, but yeah.

01:45:01.48

christophknoll

Yeah, but he had won so many times like that's okay, at that point.

01:45:08.67

Paul

Yeah, there's so many? yeah he was he he had 8 is it 8 Mr. 7 Mr Olympias 7 or 8 Okay, it's 8 Okay, yeah, so you had 8 that's tied for the most like there's you can't get more than that. Um.

01:45:16.87

christophknoll

It's no, it's It's a let's say.

01:45:26.17

Paul

So I mean there's.

01:45:26.63

christophknoll

And that's like that's like not even and so like we've talked about how like when you say where you're doing like men's physique or men's classic physique at the o it's like you say the classic physique Mr Olympia like you don't like with ah. With coat with Ronnie it was like no it was this was Mr O like there was there was no that like this was the one division like so yeah, so like his claim to fame is like even more I don't know like it's higher than what it is for other people.

01:45:45.54

Paul

Yeah, there was originally just Mr Olympia that was it? Yeah yeah, now they have.

01:45:57.62

Paul

Yeah, see like what also people do nowdays too is that they say they're an olympian if they've competed at the Miss Olympia and it's like I get that but also last year there's like almost a hundred guys competing in men's physique at the Olympia. It's like.

01:45:58.97

christophknoll

You know.

01:46:05.93

christophknoll

Yep, yeah.

01:46:17.50

Paul

Yeah I get it. But you're among 90 I think it was like upper 80 s or something you're among 80 something other guys who all say that they're olympians you know? Ah, but then yeah it does it does get watered down.

01:46:26.45

christophknoll

Yeah, that's kind of watered down at that point. Yeah.

01:46:34.32

Paul

Ah, the pro card even is very watered down which you've talked about it gets more and more water done each year but the olympia has gotten watered down as well. But at the same time. It also kind of shows like because there's so many competitors is that much harder to win so it is a bit more impressive to win against 80 something guys. Versus like against 15 guys. But you could also look at it like if there's only 15 guys up there or like 20 guys those are the 20 the best or the other sixty something should even really be there. You know it's like I think it just it just depends on how you look at it. It's like you find it more valuable to be.

01:47:05.10

christophknoll

Exactly.

01:47:12.98

Paul

Just 20 guys who all looked phenomenal or 20 guys who looked phenomenal and then 60 guys who don't really belong. You know so it just depends on how you look at it. But.

01:47:19.88

christophknoll

See I my bio would be Mr or Olympia athlete the men in parentheses. The other guy.

01:47:29.36

Paul

Yeah, the other one of 60 others who didn't even place in any of the callouts because there's I think you like 4 or 5 callouts and each call out 7 guys. So like you couldn't even be like called out like mostly guys who compete at the olympia aren't even called out like you do like.

01:47:33.16

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:47:43.94

christophknoll

Post post a picture That's that's super zoomed in and grainy because it's from the callout and you're just standing off to the side. You corrupt it.

01:47:51.75

Paul

Yeah, you're like aha there it is. You could see the olympia logo right? there there's me, you'll have your solo time on stage so you would get solo shots but like yeah most of them don't even get fucking get called out for comparisons like they're like yeah, get the fuck out of here. Dude you're done for the day like if you don't get called out.

01:48:00.20

christophknoll

No I know I know.

01:48:10.67

Paul

I Don't even think there's finals for you I don't even think you show it for finals I'm pretty sure I could be wrong.

01:48:14.38

christophknoll

Yeah, but you and and you just stand there like during the callouts like it's you know how humiliating that's got to be like you just stand there.

01:48:21.59

Paul

Um, essentially yeah, yeah, essentially I mean I'm not even sure if they what here's the thing though I think that also if you're in a big enough show where you you wouldn't even get called out I think that. They wouldn't even have you stand on the stage in the diagonal I think because the shows I've been to. There's been There hasn't been enough people to not call anybody out victory classic I think they didn't call out anybody past hot 5 but like for my class there was a sixth competitor so they called out 6 um.

01:48:39.50

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:48:55.97

Paul

But I think of victory I don't think they called out sixth or seventh. But for any shows that have so many guys they can't even call you out even after 4 callouts I can't imagine that they would call you to the stage just to not call you out to this to the front you know like that.

01:49:09.32

christophknoll

That's true, but it's also to have like substance behind there because the backdrop for like the show just looks better when there's a bunch of dudes standing around like it's almost like a second audience effect first.

01:49:17.52

Paul

Not fair. Yeah, let me see if I could look up like.

01:49:31.70

Paul

Let me see if I could look up like ah Mr Olympia men toique final like if I can see like the final shots. Um, okay move there isn' an 80 maybe there was like. 40 to 50 maybe it was the art classic that had that many one of them had like 80 something competitors um looking at yeah, see so like here's. This is men's physique and classic and there's tons of guys behind them. But it's hard to say how many there are, but.

01:50:02.87

christophknoll

Yeah, but that's what I mean like you just have those people behind you for like that second like just Onlooker effect.

01:50:13.80

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it does kind of add more to the stage. But yeah, it's just um, so mean that could be allmins physi competitors and that I see that's as like 40 to 50 but it would make sense if they didn't call. They even have you go to the stage if you're not even going to get called out if they know that you're not placing in top 4 callouts or top 3 callouts. Whatever it is. Um, then it would make sense if they don't call you out. But I mean it is what it is. It's just it is getting a bit watered down man look at on the 2013 mens whos e colympia it's fucking crazy. They're just standing there. There's there's no.

01:50:47.38

christophknoll

Just how different. Yeah, it's well 2013 that that was pretty early on in men's physique isn't it. So that's what I mean like it's still such an early thing. It's like the.

01:50:51.39

Paul

Yeah, there's there's no men's physique pose. They're just standing there I think it started 2012 I think

01:51:05.28

christophknoll

It's like men's classic physique. There's still so many like like new poses brought in every year that like aren't used before and it just keeps evolving right.

01:51:09.30

Paul

Um, yeah.

01:51:12.90

Paul

Yeah, yeah, looking at the old men's or Mr Olympia I mean men's physique man they look like they honestly don't even look like pro level now for men's physique like they got like. National quality. Maybe if that like they'd probably win a ah regional I'm not even sure how they place at a national that's fucking crazy and me see you got to pull it back up here.

01:51:48.46

Paul

Yeah, looking at the men's fesi guys now it's a fucking different world. But yeah Aaron Aaron Parks now is the one leading it at least from last year I think he deserved it personally. But yes I mean as far as.

01:51:55.50

christophknoll

Nope.

01:52:08.51

Paul

Right now. Just gotta um stick to the plan and get dialed in and ah like today I got legs I'm gonna do legs later. Um, and now that I have more food in my system we're gonna start destroying. Basically every single body part I go to gym for.

01:52:25.34

christophknoll

Um, yep, you got the actual carbs.

01:52:26.70

Paul

Because before it's like it was like yeah I got 10 to 20 reps in me for every set last you know during prep but I had a like couple rice cakes for the longest time for pre-work out. So I just didn't have much energy to have much strength but now that I have sixty grams of either grits or cream of rice going into. Um. my my workout it's ah I have so much more strength so much more energy. So like today's legs I'm gonna make sure I eat at least a half hour and a half out to actually training because I'm gonna train that hard.

01:52:54.65

christophknoll

And I was going to say Strength has always been a strong suit of yours Anyways, like just being able to move the way yet that you do yeah.

01:53:03.88

Paul

Oh especially legs dude like that's the 1 thing I'm like very confident is like my strength in my legs is fucking. Solid. So I mean I would not be surprised like light press especially like I could destroy light press but it just takes so long to rack and unrack their weights I don't even bother but ah. Hack squat today I'm aiming to get at least 3 plates on hacksquat first solid like 8 to 9 good reps is what I'm aiming for I don't know how heavy that Hacksc Crossss goingnna be because we're gonna try the new one that the gym got I don't know how heavy it's going to be. But yeah, but we'll see how that goes I'm going to try to get a video of it and I'm feeling strong as fuck in that.

01:53:31.55

christophknoll

Yeah, the under 1

01:53:40.93

Paul

Dude I was so surprised I got 4 plates on that inclined price at vanarchy like I was I got like 7 solid wraps and my coach is like oh don't go for Pr is like this's not the goal right now I'm like I know that but like I was expecting 10 I only got 7 but ah yeah I got.

01:53:52.48

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:53:57.25

Paul

14 for 3 plates prior to that I was like fuck I feel strong um is it was pretty still. Yeah coach tried to humble me I'm like nah it's fine like I didn't like go for like 4 or 5 or something like I aimed for 10 and just fell short because I got 14 for 3

01:54:01.25

christophknoll

And then you got humbled. Yes.

01:54:15.24

Paul

And prior to that I stopped at 16 for 2 plates. So I thought that four plates I could easily get 10 But then I like lifted it and I think kind of getting it off the machine was kind of like half my energy was gone from that so I was like yeah I'll just go for as much as I can and just press it out and just I failed at 7 got like half a rep for 8 So.

01:54:32.93

christophknoll

No.

01:54:34.82

Paul

But I'm going back to my 8 to 148 to 16 reps depending on the movements so that'll feel nice to kind of push a bit more weight now. So we'll see.

01:54:42.66

christophknoll

That's why I love working out with somebody else to get that push up and not have to spend the strength just getting the weight up like especially when I do like my shoulder overhead or something like that getting the dumbbells up takes you know X amount of strength already. So that's why I like having somebody there to help get it up and then I can just.

01:54:54.72

Paul

Yeah.

01:54:59.46

christophknoll

Focus on pure reps.

01:54:59.75

Paul

Yeah, for me, it's the chess stuff that like I lose a lot of strength from Shoulders I don't really do anything that like I lose a lot of strength from just unwraccking it or anything like that. But I mean if doing yeah if I did like Barbell shoulder press. Especially it's a lot more effort to get it on racked. And start lifting. It. But chess is where I have that problem especially like machine anything machine based like machine in client stuff like that like I did it getting it off the rack can can waste a lot of energy but I also just only ever lift the Moon. So I.

01:55:30.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:55:36.17

Paul

We've talked about it but I still do believe that like lifting alone I'm able to generally track a bit better. You know what I truly failed at and what I can improve upon and see the progress over time because if somebody was spotting me. It's hard to say how much weight they lifted. You know if I got 12 reps this week 12 x but next week but both times are spoted by someone I can't say if it's for sure 12 reps each week because they could have lifted more one week and then less the next week. It's hard to say but if I'm by myself I'll truly know like okay I failed. There's no assistance.

01:56:06.50

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:56:11.25

Paul

I got 12 reps this week thirteen reps this week so I truly did actually go up a rep because it kept the same form same range of motion same everything I just gained it an extra rep. So that's why I do like lifting by myself. A lot of the time but when I'm visiting you guys. That's why I like to I like to train with other people to mix it up.

01:56:27.18

christophknoll

Yeah, and if I ever end up down there. You can't really escape me because I'll be working out with you. So.

01:56:34.76

Paul

Oh dude, we'll hit. We'll hit all the ah we'll hit all the gyms we'll hit. We'll hit ah Fitness Factory we'll hit Ah, what's it called Crush a call name. Yeah fitness factor is lotified especially when it be just be like you and me we'll hit.

01:56:40.40

christophknoll

I Can't wait to go back to business Actory that I.

01:56:49.27

Paul

You know something like like more concentrated like a back day or something there and then same with um Crush a colosine if we go for like a specific day there especially like legs or like a chest day or back day. It's a lot of fun there so we got it. You got to check that out as well. Next time you come down be good time.

01:57:00.20

christophknoll

Yeah, how yeah planning planning probably either April of February if I being honest, so.

01:57:10.73

Paul

Yeah I mean either way, we'll do it if if it's February I might be bulking April maybe start my prep or could be deep in my prep at that point so we'll see but either way trying to keep ni abs. That's my goal next time you see me, you still trying to keep abs so we'll see.

01:57:27.32

christophknoll

Yep, right? Yeah well thanks for stopping by. We'll Ah, we're back on a good schedule again. So we will be seeing you guys next week. But.

01:57:29.59

Paul

But cool.

01:57:36.14

Paul

Yep, yeah, thanks for listening guys see ya.


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