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HGH #48: Training Splits for Size, PCT Plans, and Gym Switches


00:00.00

christophknoll

Back again and we got some changes in our own routines which is what we're going to be doing a little bit of a deep dive with today.

00:08.62

Paul

The sir yeah I'm excited to talk about it. Um, you know with with moving into bulking slash rebound phase. Um I was kind of sticking to the same plan that I had before which is. For the longest time which was six days on one day off it was a chest back arms shoulders legs arms rest um, so typically I would rest Saturdays and train Sunday through um Friday essentially um. But with the new plan. Let me turn up actually by getting you know I see a little bit more with the new plan now. Ah the my am I too quiet my good all right? Well there we go all right? That's better. So with the new plan.

00:56.83

christophknoll

Nope Nope, you're good. You're good. That's a little loud.

01:05.62

Paul

What it's looking like is ah essentially kind of like the way I look at is like an eight day split so it's no longer so like a 7 day split if you include the rest day. It's now eight days including rest days. So it's 3 on 1 off 3 on 1 off, um.

01:16.73

christophknoll

Which means Paul has created another day of the week and he's just that much better than you guys.

01:23.55

Paul

Yeah, what do we call it I don't know what to call it. It would be yeah like yeah like ah what do I have like one day ah yeah I do kind of have like a ches day.

01:30.81

christophknoll

It's just chest or something it goes Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday chest.

01:41.85

Paul

Each week so you yeah it could just be chest or it just be like pecs like Pec day or something. Um, but yeah, so basically the new split to put on size is um so day one is shoulders delts and triceps day two is back in biceps.

01:44.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

02:01.70

Paul

Day three is a quad- focusedcused leg workout I'll get into each of these and how I kind of split up the workouts. Um, third day is quad focused leg workout. Ah then it's a rest day then it's um, a shoulder day with a touchup on chest and tries. And then I do another back and by day which is just the same back and bider that I was doing before and then um or you know earlier in the week and then I have a ham focused like day ham and glue. We're really just hams but you know ham ham focused like day and then his rest. So. It's essentially like. Six days of training 2 rest days and the only days that are similar from each three day block is back and buys. But my chests day and my like day both change into the next split. So that's why I kind of call it like an eight day split because normally when you do like a three day split it's like it's like push pull legs and it's the same thing. After each rest day so I could be ches try shoulders back bys leg day ches. Try shoulders back buys leg day. So but because it it changes each each three day split it's kind of like an eight day split essentially um and I'm actually fucking loving it to be honest because.

02:59.59

christophknoll

Yeah.

03:15.23

Paul

It's a lot of hard work. It's a lot of lifting. It's a lot of training and I'm really destroying my body in the gym right now. But um, I'm able to essentially hit every muscle group twice a week. Essentially um, granted there is eight days in the split so some weeks I technically don't hit it in seven days but I essentially hit back twice. Twice a week I essentially hit biceps twice a week doubts twice a week. Everything's essentially twice a week. The other thing I don't I mean my legs um like I I touch up my quads on my ham day and then I touch on my hands on my quad day. So I kind of hit them. But it's not too too much. Um. Just because there's so much more of a focus on the other muscle group in those days so qua is such a focus that I touch up the hams and then I have a handda and then I touch up quads. So um I kind of it's like one and a half times I hit each of those muscle groups a week and then on each of those like days I have one glute movement. Ah. Scheduled essentially like that's the plan. So I haven't done the ham hamda yet I did the quad day ham days tomorrow Monday um, so tomorrow I'll be doing 1 movement and glutes and then my quad data and did a glute movement so glutes I don't really need to train too much like I grow them. super super easy um so I don't really need to focus too much on them but hams and glutes or hams and quads were building up a bit more my legs filled out my board shorts. But I think this is just also a better way to ah give my upper body some rest while.

04:49.40

Paul

I'm trading my lower body so it gives my upper body two days of rest essentially while doing legs and then resting. Ah so I think that's part of the reason why? Ah but also this will also show like how easily I can build bikes. It's been forever since I've had 2 like days a week. So now that I'll have it I'll be able to be like yeah this is actually how fast I can grow my legs because.

05:01.49

christophknoll

Yeah.

05:07.96

Paul

A long time ago when I first started training. Um I had two like days a week. It was um, a quad day and a hem and glute day and like I was getting stretchmarks and shit and like my legs were just blowing the fuck up which you know retrospectively it's like you know they, they're not nearly what they are now but at the same time was like proportionately. Were blowing up like crazy. So I wonder how that's going to go now which is going to be interesting but I'm loving the split It's really fun I never thought I'd like a push pull like split. But I think I like it because it's got those 2 sections. You know it's it's a little bit different and it's not the same thing over and over and over again. Um, so that's kind of that's kind of exciting.

05:46.86

christophknoll

And you've done every workout but the ham one you said.

05:47.22

Paul

I liked it I like it so far. Yeah, so I did um so I did the first three days which is the the shoulders chess tries back by and the quad like day I did the shoulders with the touchup of chest and tries today' ' is back and buy which is the same exact workout as my other back and by day. Um, so I've already done that so now. It's really doing what I haven't done yet is the the hand focus like day but it's all movements I've already done. It's not like my workouts aren't built off of like new movements entirely It's just is the same movements I've done before just with a different focus so like right now the focus on back is width more than anything.

06:24.31

christophknoll

Um, you know.

06:28.64

Paul

Um, thickness I can build really easily if I focus on it. Ah so we're focusing on width ah so you know it's a lot more like pull downs like my eyes start like I have like a pullover a pulldown and a pull up and then I have rack pulls and tiyrows and that's my back day right there so it's like the focus is like 60 to 70% in Width and then the other like 30 to 40% is thickness which is the rack pulls and then kind of the tbar rose is kind of towards a little bit thickness a little bit of width there's a good like mix. But then you have the pullups pull downs and then the pullovers which are all just withd. So um, yeah, it's interesting I like I like my back by it. It's a fun day. But it's hard. It's hard as shit I'm exhausted when I come home. Yeah literally.

07:15.68

christophknoll

You're trying to become a dorito.

07:20.97

Paul

Is a ah competitor I think is at Texas whoever won 2 12 at Texas I was like this dude is literally an upside down dorito I'm like do he? That's how he's built like he's short too. He was like 5 6 or five seven or something which like is kind of on the shorter side when it comes to bodybuil and when he was doing his front. His front lat spread I'm like this dude is literally built like a upside number dorito like that's that's why I don't like his physique I'm like he he looks insane. But when he does his front lat spread. That's what he looks like to me. It's just like a super short upside like you take like a dorito that's upside down and then you know you like stretch the photo out so it's like a little shorter. That's literally a him like I'm like dude I can't unsee this now you know? Yeah, but I mean I do got to build the width I mean that was the biggest thing that the judges were saying was that um was that I need to build my back really more than anything.

07:59.20

christophknoll

Yeah, no, that's really funny.

08:14.55

Paul

Which is understandable my back now that like when I got lean and I saw that you know my morning shots prior to the show I really did see the the lack of size in my back. It was very evident. It didn't look like I had too much dense muscle. So back is obviously a big focus right now for the next year ah which I'm not exactly upset about because back day is my favorite day in the gym. So it just means I get to do more of what I enjoy granted it I do more leg days but because it's focused. It's not like as taxing as it normally is like it's.

08:33.88

christophknoll

E.

08:50.21

Paul

It's taxing on the specific muscle groups that I'm hitting like my quad day was hard on my quads but like I also enjoy it more now now that I have more energy and I can get like a good pump even though I don't I don't take prere card or anything going into light day I just show up with some salt and some water and I get a good enough light. Pump that's just like I can't even stretch my fucking legs out you know like it's like I can't even bend my knees I'm just so pumped up but it feels good to hit legs and a split like that rather than like before I was doing like essentially I think it was like 3 movements for quas 3 for hams and like 1 for glue or something. But. The third movement for him and glute I would do like kind of like an accessory movement. So like for instance, when I would do straight like deadlesss for my hams which I love um I would do like sissy squats. It's like bodyweight sissy squats superetted with that for like my quads. So. It's not like a crazy quad workout. But it is like touching them up towards the end of the workout. Um hams would be like some sort of leg curl straight like deadlift and then any sort of accessory movements through like a hack squat or like some sort of machine squat or something like that so they worked pretty heavily and then glutes almost never really touch glutes. Um, sometimes I do like ah add ductor flies. But that's about it. Everything else is just a accessory.

10:14.96

christophknoll

Well so also when you were you know on all the different gear you were on Allegedly um, the you know you built size in your glutes because you're pinning there. Do you think that's going to be the same now that you're on your pct.

10:23.40

Paul

Allegedly, yeah. Well, right now I'm still I'm still on 400000400 megs a test right Now. So I'm still pinning in my glutes. Um, yeah,. But yeah, when I get onto my pct and then completely get off.

10:34.82

christophknoll

Okay, but I mean more so it's upcoming.

10:45.82

Paul

I Mean it's not like I'd lose muscle I Just wouldn't really gain anything when you come off when when whenever we do a pct and we come off. It's kind of like a maintenance phase. We just kind of want to hang on to whatever I have clean out, get some blood work and then kind of get back into a bulk. So it's like for me. Yeah, my my glutes might not be.

10:55.65

christophknoll

Yeah.

11:05.27

Paul

Gaining much size because I don't train them much but that's not really the goal anyways going through Pct and coming off clean everything. So um, yeah, so to answer your question I think they won't gain in size at all really, but that's not the focus. Anyways.

11:18.91

christophknoll

Yeah I just because you know when we talk about your glutes like yeah, you're able to get it because like your body just reacts well but the pinning does help a ton so that makes sense that that you know you're just going to maintain during that period and why you said four weeks or so for pct.

11:28.93

Paul

Oh for sure for sure.

11:37.66

christophknoll

4 to 6

11:39.18

Paul

Yeah, roughly. Um, we're looking at I'm probably expecting like middle of October beginning to middle of October as I start pct um, and that'll be probably four weeks some guys do two weeks which is kind of on the shoulder side typically a full pct would be about four weeks and then you're completely off for like 4 to six weeks or longer. However long you need to be I think my coach was like or not my coach necessarily but like someone I know wasn't my coach was someone I know he was off for like twelve weeks or some shit like completely off everything.

12:12.80

christophknoll

He must have felt like shit.

12:15.41

Paul

And yeah, but then he got used to it I remember we're talking to the guy I'm talking about he got used to it and he's like it just you just kind of you get used to it and you just don't really remember like you don't realize what it was like before and then he hopped on shit again. He's like man I feel like fucking Superman.

12:31.94

christophknoll

Who.

12:34.71

Paul

And like yeah, that's how you normally feel. That's why you feel like shit coming off because we feel normal. We don't feel like a super human anymore. So um, yeah, it's just I don't know it's I'm I'm not really like I'm looking forward to it because it's the next phase in the plan. But I'm also not looking forward to it because I don't.

12:52.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

12:53.95

Paul

Like coming off shit just like any guy doesn't but so I mean it's it's all just part of the process. It's you got to go through it. It's part of the process I mean overall it's going to take two and a half 2 to two and a half months to get through that phase. But then when I'm done I'll be clean I'll be healthy like this is all longevity shit. You know you don't. You run gear year round you're taking years off your life. So this is like that two and a half months two to two and a half months every year that I come off hypothetically is gonna help with living a longer life and being there for my grandkids marriage and graduating college and all that shit you know what I mean so that's how I try to look at it is like this is. What allows me to do it in a healthy way and enjoy what I love to do so That's how I try to look at it.

13:34.20

christophknoll

Yeah, and we'll we'll obviously do a deep dive of of your pc t once it comes around but just ah, do you? Um, when you start your Pcd like obviously you're getting your your test checked I don't know like every.

13:40.71

Paul

For sure.

13:51.33

christophknoll

Couple weeks or so but do you wait until okay I was but I was Goingnna ask I was gonna ask if you wait until it goes back to a certain number before going back on gear. But.

13:52.54

Paul

I Don't check my test at all We we don't test it yet.

14:04.65

Paul

Yeah, no, So basically the way it would work is like it's been so long since I've done a pct. It's been about a year. Um, so for Pct. Essentially you come off test completely and then from what I can remember. I took ah I don't think it was Clomen Fuck I Forget it was something it wasn't Ch Clomate I think we avoided Chloid because Clomen's hard in your liver. So Chlomate is an oral.. It's an oral. Um. Look up exactly what it is because I still don't fully the pct side of things is where I kind of lose my like my knowledge isn't quite there yet because it's not often that I'm running a pct um is an oral.. It's used to treat infertility in women. Um, basically.

15:00.36

Paul

It it helps down I think it helps down regulate test and upregulate estrogen. So I think it's it's it's really good for like male pct because you're so high in test. Um, let me see we look up. How guys use it for bodybuilding um the boost sports performance and kind of the side effects of anabolic steroid use. Let me see. Yeah so this is talking about exactly pct. So um, so it's a serm selective estrogen receptor modulator. Um, so it doesn't affect the engine receptors it. It affects the estrogen receptors. Um, which makes the body believe it contains estrogen while simultaneously preventing estrogen from having an effect on the receptors. So it blocks the receptors. Inside the pituitary gland um, which it then synthesizes l h and Lh and fsh which is ah lutetonizing hormone and follicle simulate in hormone l h and fsh. Um, so therefore. It basically brings your fertility back and then kind of like shuts down your receptors for etrogen estrogen so that you're not building up estrogen so it helps with bringing back Basically what makes you a man and essentially because um, the problem with getting on testosterone is that.

16:22.34

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

16:34.80

Paul

A lot of guys don't talk about is when you get onto testosterone even trt it shuts down your pituitary gland and what your pituitary gland does is essentially in a roundabout way. It essentially um produces your sperm like this is how you're able to be fertile and that's why when you have when you're on cycle and you get tested. For you know your hormones like I did most recently I had my Lh and fsh was like in the shitter. It's basically nonexistent because it's basically saying like hey your fertilility is just not there because my pituitary gland is shut down there for my body is not producing l la l h and fsh which is one of the markers you can look at to see how fertile you are. So you take chloid as well as I want to say might be aroma sin I think like a higher concentration of aromain I can't remember exactly which is in ah, a aromatase inhibitor which is going to help with blocking estrogen production. So like I'm taking aromas in right now. And I use it I almost get no side effects from anything really besides hair loss fucking clearly, you guys are watching a video you can see that um and guyno. yeah yeah I wish I could grow up my hair more but it just I was already genetically predisposed so it was bound to happen anyways.

17:38.28

christophknoll

Who can't relate.

17:50.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

17:52.90

Paul

But ah so it I also don't really experience much with estrogen. So I have some water retention which kind of a bitch but also um, guy know is really my my biggest problem. So really I take to Ai take aromason really just for Guyno I don't really take it for anything else. Ah. You can even get your guy to remove so gyno gottolomastia um is from a gland within your nipples because we're all performed as women at first for those that don't know we start as women in the womb. Our girls females and then we develop into males I was right from the feet decided.

18:22.68

christophknoll

No I was always ah I was always a guy.

18:29.45

Paul

Big guys dick it was long. They could tell right away. Um, so you start off as female and then you develop into a male That's why we have nipples because we started as females so men don't really actually have it used for nipples. Um, only women do so we start as females develop into males. Because of that we have a gland within our within our nipples which which is caused to inflame which is what's called gnuconastia when you have high etrogen. Ah your nepples nipples in flameme and it's it's painful. The gland is sore It's. Very unappealing. Um, so you can get that surgically removed. It's a cosmetic surgery. You can get it the whole Glen surgically removed one of the benefits of that as a bodybuilder and a lot of bodybuilder will say to get it done as soon as you can is that when you get that removed and if that is one of your main side effects from high estrogen you really don't need to take an ai at that point like. Really That's the only reason I take an ai in the first place. So if I did you know, get that surgery. It's like I think it's like two and a half three grand to get to surgery if you get that surgery I really wouldn't need to take an ai um so a lot of guys. It makes it easier for them to manage their cycles. Ah so therefore.

19:29.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

19:43.52

Paul

If I were to take that I need to worry about my estrogen buildup because my gymos just not there anymore. It doesn't really bother me. Um and estrogen actually believe it or not estrogen is actually one of the driving factors to how good of a pump you're going to have um so that is also an interesting fact there. There's a lot that goes into having a pump. But if you have. If your if your estrogen is like in the fucking shitter. Your pump isn't going to be as good. So I always try to take my Ai after my workouts if possible. So that that way if there is any estrogen in my system that's going to help with a pump I let it and then afterwards I take my Ai which is very very little I take very little amount of romason over time. Um. And then that helps with the ai. But I also get the best pump I possibly can so that's also a common misconception.

20:24.80

christophknoll

So so you're saying how much of a girl I am influences how much of a pump I get.

20:33.81

Paul

Partially partially you got to be a little female to get a good pump. Um, yeah I'm just 100% dude so I get my my pumps are fucking I deflate I go the opposite way I get any muscles.

20:35.91

christophknoll

That must be why I get no pumps because I'm all man.

20:51.20

Paul

There were audies now they're innies they go inside me. Um, so yeah, so then so I don't think it was cloid I have to look back my previous pct. Um I don't know we're gonna be talking about vct today I would have prepared but um, it.

20:52.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

21:04.89

christophknoll

Now like like I said we'll do a deep dive once you actually get into your Pcd.

21:10.70

Paul

Ah, for sure. Yeah, because I want to say it's not the same every single time. Um, this time it might be It might be a bit more like intense maybe because we are so on so like not so much volume wise but so much like number of things prior to prep or during prepamine. Um, this pct might be a bit more you know extensive not really like intensive more extensive more like making sure we get everything cleaned out and properly. Um, you know, cycled off. Um, so then the the last half of the four weeks so the the week three and week 4 I do know I take Hcg which basically every single guide takes for ah ptp. Um, so hcg is essentially like this is what Hcg was designed for designed for getting off of. AhTRT um let me see where is the hcg aspect come on so I always forget the acronym That's what I'm trying to look up.

22:26.80

christophknoll

Y M C I.

22:27.69

Paul

Come on. Yeah, it's human corionic Gonnaatropin. So um, basically eight c g is Goingnna help downregulate everything. So. Basically the way it's used is taken for two weeks after the cycle's completed. It can go long as long as eight weeks but it shouldn't exceed that amount of time. Um.

22:57.63

Paul

So Essentially most guys take 500 I use a day I use as International Units. It's just a way of measuring things. Um, so essentially where is the fucking information. I've I've seen it I've read it about it before it's just been so long. Um, yeah, so all Novidex That's what I was taking it wasn't Kloma. It was Novidex So Novidex is also a serm. It's a bit easier on the body than.

23:16.22

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:32.77

Paul

Chlomate is chloid is a bit harsher on the liver novidex I want to say I can remember if I pinned it or if I if it was a liquid eyedropper I can't remember um but it's for women with breast cancer typically. Um, it's still for female infertility for that aspect. Um, so it has some which is interesting. It has some cancer killing properties because it kills it blocks protein cannas c. P kc um, which is what this article is saying um, it works in the same way as clomin stimulated Lh and fsh production via the inhibition of estrogen's negative effects in the hypothalamus gland and thus's restoring the hbta accessxis so that's what nol vedex does. Hcg is human Corionic Gonatatropin um it's produced by women in high quantities when they just get pregnant. Um, which increases their progesterone helping to nurture the baby and its surrounding environment. Um, what is she d. Hcg does in post cycle therapy is it helps with elevating the lh levels and stimulating the laid dig cells to produce more endogenous testosterone. So what this is going to help do is it helps with your body.

25:06.29

Paul

Going back to naturally producing testosterone because you shut it down completely. It's not on a feedback loop so something that would be on a feedback loop is like um is like a thyroid your thyroid's in a feedback loop. So when you're taking t 3 or t four like I was allegedly ah your thyroid shuts down. But.

25:20.40

christophknoll

Oh.

25:25.98

Paul

It's on a feedback loop so you if you wean yourself off it or even cold turkey it to be honest, your thyroid be like no shit I'm not getting itthreetfour anymore start back up. So your thyroid starts back up your your prostate which helps which is like essentially where all of your testosterone comes from. Prosty doesn't really do that. It not on a feedback loop. It doesn't know to start back up. Um, it gets used to not having to produce anything and just stays that way. So what hcg is going to do is help stimulate your prostate um to start producing testosterone again. Um endogenous is what that means endogenous means natural testosterone. So. More it helps produce more endogenous testosterone on its own. So the last time I think I did a pct last year whatever it was whenever it was I think I got naturally tested at like just over five hundredgrams per deci liter which they say that. The healthy range three hundred to nine hundred nanograms well that's bullshit I think the healthy range should be like six hundred to nine hundred maybe five hundred and nine hundred at the very least um, 900 is on the higher side for natural. Ah, but also 500 is kind of on this lower side 500 and some change. Ah total test is not very high, especially given you know where mid 20 s and training um in the gym. Our testosterone should be through the roof um a good like really really genetically gifted guy for testosterone would be like.

26:58.41

christophknoll

Yeah.

26:59.20

Paul

The low 1000 for test if they're training in our around our age we want to be upper 3 digits as far as Dan and grams perdesci leader goes to know that like our we got good testosterone here like we're producing it properly. All of that. Um I don't have that unfortunately my testosterone is kind of through the in the shitter essentially. So um, yeah, so that's kind of where my pct was at it was novidex and then it was hcg um I don't remember exactly what my doses were we will talk about that later, but ah, that's kind of what I go through and it's it's pretty simple, pretty basic. Not too intense and what's funny about taking noleddex and hcg is that if you're going through pct and you have you're sexually active. You need to be very careful because it is very easy to get a woman pregnant when you're on novadex and Hcg because. Your l h and fsh levels are so fucking through the roof because it's stimulating all of that your your actual steaming production is through the roof as well. So you're you're just fertil as fuck basically is what I'm saying you could just you could impregnate a village on novidex and and Acg so. Ah, you got to be careful of that when you're taking that stuff when you take a test It's almost like you can almost treat some guys even treat t r t or h r t essentially like a male birth control because it really does shut everything down. Um, and it's very it's it's not impossible but it it does make it a lot harder to get to make someone pregnant when you're on.

28:28.59

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:33.82

Paul

Gear it happens all the time bodybuilders you know, get women pregnant while on gear all the time but it is harder. It's it's a bit harder your semen count is very very low. So it's not as common but it can still happen. So some guys use it kind of like a birth control. If they know what they're doing and and and if that's their intention which is kind of dumb to me if you're just going to take tests just to not give someone pregnant you just that's for the wrong reasons. But um, guys there's a video um dom posted with I think. Ah, got his business partner in the in the um, the yeah, the clinic they're running in Vegas now which they talked about how there's guys who come to them all the time surprised when they tell them that when you take gear or take testosterone or trt or whatever it shuts down. Your pituitary gland which then shuts down essentially your seamen production and you can't really have kids um, it doesn't stop you from having kids forever. But when you're on trt and you're on you know some sort of anabolics whether that's at an anabolic level or not It's going to be much harder. So if you plan on having a kid right now. You don't hop on anything. So um, it's just interesting that guys get surprised by that because it's just the lack of lack of communication I guess from these clinics. But yeah, so that's the plan for the pct coming off completely. But in the meantime we got that new split which I'm loving. Um.

30:03.81

Paul

And just trying to put on as much size as possible and I'm I'm getting much much stronger which is cool. Um I'm like double the fucking weight that I was lifting before and the pumps are through the roof. Ah and I just feel good. It just feels good to train and I look forward to it essentially.

30:20.66

christophknoll

Hell yeah, and before we get into the other topic we're gonna bridge into I also have a quick little update I texted you about that. You're pretty happy but um with all my injuries that I've been riddled with this past you know, 2 3 months. Um. I finally go back into the gym like I was ready to get back into it consistently. Um, and then I went down with another injury. But um, finally ready to get back into it and so I go to empire which is my gym and I love empire for the equipment. That's there I love it for the lighting and like the mirrors and all that but it was.

30:48.62

Paul

Oh yeah, no.

30:55.76

christophknoll

Literally like if you've seen the memes of going into a gym at five p M on a weekday like that was what it was. It was full of broccoli heads. It was full of all these young people and like don't get me wrong I don't mind when like.

31:01.18

Paul

Well. Here.

31:09.77

christophknoll

There's a bunch of people working out I really don't like I'm a social creature I love being around other people so it doesn't bother me seeing all that but I was legitimately like I finished everything I wanted to for chest and I always like to cap off my chest day with my high middle lows on the cable flies and like just. Being able to work and try and train my striations a little bit and I legitimately had to wait almost 30 minutes for a cable machine to open and we have 3 now we don't even have 2 we have 3 and that was just too much they they stacked another one right in that corner.

31:41.16

Paul

I saw it where's a third one now. Okay, because that's that must be brand new then because when I was there. There's only 2 Oh no, no no the the one that's like close together. It's like a tower.

31:49.21

christophknoll

Yeah, it's It's new as of like yep, yeah yeah, but you can but I can still do what I need to for chest on that. Um, yeah, you just can't do like.

31:57.86

Paul

Yeah I did see that I did see that. Yeah okay I did see that one those are cool. Um, sorry I just was like yeah yeah, they're very close.

32:06.12

christophknoll

You can't just do like overhead curls with it like because it's too close together I mean for me the although for me, the other ones are too close together because my arms are so damn long. But but yeah, yeah, but all of that together I just sat there and I was like this is the end like my.

32:15.66

Paul

Yeah, you can work with it.

32:24.66

christophknoll

I buy I always buy memberships in full. So I'm done on the fifteenth of October and I just looked at it like everything and I was like it's been great, but empire I'm done because I'm living back in garner now. So I'm going to go pick up a year at ah at Paul's home gym van archy out in gardner.

32:41.10

Paul

Um, for sure it's sick. You would even know there's a business there. There's like a small parking lot with cars. There's no parking spaces. There's just a.

32:43.65

christophknoll

And time time to go dungeon mode because it is the most the most underground gym you can find it doesn't even look like a gym on the outside. Yeah.

33:00.52

Paul

Cement with a tree in the middle and then there is a door that says vanarchy on it I think I be sure if that's still even there that stickers leaving there and that's it. There's nothing else that indicates a gym there. You have to know it's there to know it's there. You know, um.

33:00.81

christophknoll

Yep.

33:06.30

christophknoll

Yep.

33:12.70

christophknoll

Yup, and that's that's what I'm hoping for because like I said I don't mind working out with other people but it just got taken over because it's like I mean for I mean good for empire because they do such a good job marketing and advertising and like they bring in a ton of people.

33:20.16

Paul

So exactly.

33:29.82

christophknoll

And it's great I mean it's great for them. But for me, it's just it's it's end of the road like I'm not gonna be able to do what I want to do in there and ah because like for me I I finished teaching and so I'm going to the gym at like three thirty four I can't avoid that rush. So I might as well make it a rush that's way more low key and yeah.

33:43.47

Paul

Yeah.

33:49.12

christophknoll

So vanarchy here I come.

33:50.23

Paul

I think I think something else. That's you're going to realize is going to be really nice is logistically how much closer of Anarchy is to you like that drive right? right? It made more sense when you were closer to it.

33:55.42

christophknoll

Oh God you? Well that was the big thing because I was living out in you know empire area when I first started sound.

34:07.78

Paul

And now your drive's probably like what like Twenty Twenty five minutes yeah so going to vanarchy, you're probably like 5 Maybe yeah, exactly you could ride a bicycle and get there in just a few minutes

34:08.37

christophknoll

For going to empire yale like 25 I could I could I could walk and still take less time to get there. Oh Cardio. No.

34:26.96

Paul

You want it to yeah psych, you just do like you just get like ah like a mountain bike or something with like those giant fat tires for like beach riding you know you like ride that in the snow and put the gear like as high as possible. So that way it's like super super hard to start and get like a quad pump by the time you actually get to the gym.

34:43.30

christophknoll

No I'll get I'll get an electric bike and just do none of the work and just coast on in.

34:46.30

Paul

Like 1 rotation gets you a mile.

34:51.79

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, you just got to get a throttlety electric bike those are like 4 grand and you'll just you' just ride your way there? Um, but yeah, know that' be sweet, um the the lack of time spent in the car is gonna be nice. Let me tell you it's it's much nicer because I for the longest time.

35:05.37

christophknoll

Yep.

35:10.42

Paul

Really the longest time I guess like six months prior to moving where I live now I was driving about a half hour to the gym. We moved to where we are now because we're 15 minutes from my wife's work at the time and I'm like not even 10 minutes from the gym at the time now we go she she drives less than 10 minutes or drive like 15 minutes to the gym. But. Um, it's much nicer when you have such a less drive to make you know it's a really like I spend now I'm lifting like a little over an hour is how long my training sessions are now. Um, so if I was driving a half hour 35 minutes one way. That's my workout right? there you know, just there and back is already like.

35:44.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:48.95

Paul

How long I train for so it is such a bitch when you have to drive us super far away. Um.

35:52.65

christophknoll

And plus you know that during my peak lifting. Um I like to be in there for hours.

35:57.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you're there for a while and like for me if I got there like 3 thirty four I'd only experience like the very beginning of that rush and then I'd be doing cardio by then but because of where you're at right now you're just trading for so long you still are experiencing that five o'clock rush which. Like it's this is my thing with like the golds I was going to like all I wish all the success for them I hope that they make as much money as possible which actually speaking of which they just acquired 7 more golds gyms. So the guy who runs unchained and the guy who runs the golds gyms that I was going to. He had like 3 or 4 they now have like.

36:26.45

christophknoll

Yeah.

36:35.72

Paul

11 or 12 or something and they just bought 7 more at once which is fucking crazy. But anyways I wish all the success to them. They're running a gym in a way that you should like they're getting more and more members. You know they're very busy, but for.

36:37.97

christophknoll

Wow wow.

36:53.37

Paul

My case and for your case, we're on the more niche side of things and because of that waiting for a machine waiting for cables waiting for dumbbells can literally ruin a workout. Um, for people who are in the lifestyle side of things. It doesn't really matter too much. But I mean even for me like.

37:02.67

christophknoll

Yeah.

37:12.92

Paul

There's times where like when I do my um reverse drop set lateral raises I need like I start. So it's 3 sets that are drop set I start with £20 dumbbells and to go to 25 to 30 in one set. So I need those 3 weights I do that once. So it's not that big of a deal I'll have to wait for that that's the starting but after that I do 3 sets of that so 9 total sets with the fifteen twenty twenty five I need those 3 available that entire time I'm not going to hog them like once I'm not using them I'm going to put them back. But if somebody takes one of the nubells away which happens all the time which is fine. You know it's it's not my equipment they can take it I'm not using it.

37:48.64

christophknoll

Yeah.

37:52.17

Paul

Totally fine, but it sucks because when they take it and they bring it across the gym to do fucking. Whatever they're doing it ruins that entire workout for me and that's one of my staples in my dealt day. So it's like now it's like my delt day is kind of ruined because I have to wait twenty fucking minutes. For this one guy to be done with this one fifteen pound numbell hundred feet away on the this side of the gym. So and it's so meticulous we've you and I we've we've tried trial and errored so many different workouts so many different movements that we've found.

38:16.20

christophknoll

Yep.

38:28.39

Paul

What works for us. You know I found exactly what works for this. What works for that. So if I have to wait for something that's in my routine there's it's in that routine at that specific moment for a reason. So if I'm on my fourth movement and I have to wait for the damn t bar row. I have to wait for it because there's a reason it's the fourth movement. You know I plan it out that meticulously. So it's you know like I said it's all the success of the golds gyms and it's great, but it was like you like for you. It's just way too busy for me, it just got way too busy. And they're losing a lot of their bodybuilders I know a couple of bodybuilders off top my head that I've talked to recently that are like dude I can't take this anymore and they're in the same place as you where they bought the year you know and they have to wait it out but they're like I can't fucking train anymore because there's so many people I have to wait for literally every single piece of equipment.

39:09.57

christophknoll

Yep.

39:21.65

Paul

Which is again great for the business just sucks for those of us that can't experience that you know in finding an annoying to experience that. So yeah, it's just yeah.

39:29.25

christophknoll

That's why it's a double-edged sword because like you're happy for the business like I know the owners of of empire I Know the staff that work there like I know like my coach and his buddy run the cafe there and run a clothing line and everything like all of that is going to be like super beneficial for them.

39:36.80

Paul

Brother.

39:46.37

christophknoll

But and I'm super happy for them like it's it's going to be great for them. But for me, it's just I can't deal with it like.

39:55.42

Paul

Yeah, it just sucks. It's like that's why it's like where I go now is just absolutely fucking. Perfect I I can't express enough how much I love the gyms I go to now. Ah, it's the one of the gyms is very similar to anarchy. Um, not quite as much equipment if you combine both gyms into 1 perfect fucking gym if if I could put all the equipment from one gym the plaza gym that I go to into the more like underground one with the no ac perfect fucking gym. There'd be no other gym I'd ever go to? Um, but you kind of have to. <unk>s pros and cons to each one There's a reason there's two locations all of that. So with that being said I love it because even when it's the five o'clock rush on a monday and it's busy in there. It does get busy because of the atmosphere of the gym. You're only around extremely experienced people and.

40:49.51

christophknoll

Yeah.

40:49.52

Paul

I've never had a problem being like hey can I work in with you never had a problem with that. Um, and also on top of that people aren't sitting in a machine with groups of kids. You know there's not a group of high schoolers like. Every single person I've seen there is at least college age or minimum graduated college pretty much the entire like for every single person. They're all adults so you never see those high school broccoli heads. Whatever you're talking about. Um there's no groups of people typically it's almost everybody's lifting on their own. So there's nobody using one piece of machinery for 20 minutes you know which is great. So. That's why I love the gym I go to now it's perfect, but you'll experience that with anarchy everybody of anarchy is experienced. They've been going there for years decades even they know what they're doing. They're using the equipment for 5 minutes maybe to do their 3 or 4 sets and then they're moving on. You never have to wait for anything. It's never busy at vanarchy. It's the best gym ever. Um. Ah, wonder what? the five o'clock rush is because I don't know the last time I've ever been during the five o'clock rush it's been years so I don't know what it's like now. But.

41:46.46

christophknoll

Yeah, well, another big part of it was like when I'm whenever I think about leaving empire I have to find a gym that's twenty four seven like because vanarchy just use the scanner which is what I do at empire but like I have to have that because there's nights where like.

41:56.92

Paul

Yeah.

42:04.28

christophknoll

I can't sleep and I just go all and I'm just going to go lift on or like I'm going to go you know just burn some some energy in the gym like and that could happen at like 1 in the morning and I just need that you know flexibility to be able to go in there and that's I mean there's the vans the only one that has scanner in gardner like there's.

42:10.38

Paul

Yeah.

42:23.96

Paul

What about muscle works you ever checked out muscle works.

42:24.22

christophknoll

Ones that like you know I've I I couldn't tell you about that? Um, but my whole thing is that like I don't want to have to deal with staff or anything I just want to be able to go in and do my thing.

42:34.92

Paul

Looked it up. Yeah, that's what's nice about the key fo but originally um, Vanarchy had the se muscle works looks very different now than it used to.

42:48.67

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:51.90

Paul

Um, they're 24 hours as well. Um I went to muscle works once and it just really wasn't for me. Um, it looks like their equipment's a lot lot better than it was um, but they had a metal key before which. Was interesting because he had some logistics issues because even the even when the key the key on the key it says do not duplicate so when you go to bring it to a um, a key maker. They'll see that and they can't yeah they won't do it but you can still get around that people have gotten around it and.

43:18.57

christophknoll

They won't do it.

43:28.10

Paul

Are able to make have been able to make fake keys in the past and the other problem is is that like when in his case when you know a membership is up. He can't just like shut off the key fob. You know you can't just like turn it off like you would like my gym now if my membership is canceled or whatever.

43:40.90

christophknoll

Yep.

43:46.22

Paul

Key fob doesn't work anymore where with the metal key. You can just go it like whenever he's not there whenever there's no staff and just train and just never pay you know so it's like that was a problem but the key Fob now is way more. It makes way more sense logistically.

43:50.55

christophknoll

Ah, yep.

43:58.42

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:02.67

Paul

But yeah I Love Anarchy I Always always preach anarchy anytime.

44:04.43

christophknoll

Yeah, and that's ah, that's where I'll be headed and I'm looking at I mean my membership is up fifteenth of October. But honestly I might just pick it up middle of this month just because that's when my next pay cycle is and just get it. Rock because it's only 300 for the whole year like that's dummy cheap and like so I'm just ready to just get in there and start working. It was a little over little over 400 for the year at empire and that's including or not including um.

44:24.73

Paul

Yeah, what was what was a okay yeah, so it's a little. It's quite a bit cheaper.

44:41.57

christophknoll

The gym fee like equipment fee I mean which I think was like 50 or sixty bucks something like that or they do like a yearly equipment fee on on. Yeah on top of everything. Um, and that's somewhere between 50 and sixty bucks so

44:51.94

Paul

Ah, an annual fee.

44:59.63

Paul

Gotcha. Okay, yeah I mean if they're investing that back into the equipment then that's fine I guess but annual fees can get kind of sketchy.

45:05.79

christophknoll

Well you see um Empire opened up a whole second gym. So for them, they're actually like doing their their their work with it.

45:11.69

Paul

Yeah, mine I think has a six month fee it's like twenty bucks every six months or something but they're ah they're always buy new equipment like every month there's like a new piece like they've already added the past few months they've added like 3 or 4 new.

45:19.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

45:30.78

Paul

New pieces of equipment. Um in the other location. The plaza location. So I mean they're they're still putting that money in to it. But yeah muscle works actually I just looked up their Facebook they got a new location. It looks like. Yeah, the end of the year Twenty Twenty one I don't know if it's a new location or if they renovated it? Um, but the end of 2021 I went like 2018 something like that and it just wasn't for me. It was not a very good gym. Um, there wasn't much equipment but now it looks like it's better I don't know how they are now. So I mean yeah, it looks like some hammer strength strength strength hammer strength um some life fitness some paramount.

46:13.59

christophknoll

Shrink.

46:23.15

Paul

You know mixture of stuff but vanarchy is top notch I mean you can't beat that. Um, they just got to um, a super lying leg curl which is sick I didn't get to try it unfortunately. But um I love the Super Lake equipment it's fucking sick. Um.

46:37.84

christophknoll

Well I'm also looking forward to because the last time I was there was couple years ago with you that hydraulic um leg. Ah, yeah, that one that things things gnarly like I'm looking forward to messing around with that.

46:45.91

Paul

Um, squat machine. Nothing is wild I would need a yeah I would need a lot more resistance on that thing but it was great to like get me into like proper squat form.

47:03.30

christophknoll

Yeah, and I have it. Yeah and I have like obviously my form but with all the injuries to my legs that I'm dealing with I'd rather like have that kind of support equipment there.

47:03.50

Paul

Like that's what that was good for and you just fight your own resistance.

47:18.38

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's good to stretch out your leg stretch out your hips all that the 1 machine there. There's 2 machine I mean there's quite a few machines there that I love that I can't get anywhere else but they have a um tricep overhead extension machine that I tried. Last time I was there and I used to use it sometimes in the back in the day but now that it's like 1 of the staples in my workouts to build my triceps I tried the machine and um, it's so fucking. Good. It's like an easy curl bar attachment on the machine but it's a pin loaded machine. It's so good.

47:42.98

christophknoll

All up to.

47:49.84

christophknoll

All have to live stream. My ah my my sessions there so you can live vicariously through me.

47:55.83

Paul

Yeah I'll just I can hear the vanarchy I can hear it I can I can experience the vibes. But yeah I miss it. But yeah, it's you got to work with what you got and there's a few gyms actually open up down here. Um, there's 1

48:01.87

christophknoll

Yeah.

48:14.11

Paul

Um, called qcpumphouse? Um, queen city so Charlotte is called queen city because it's named after Queen Charlotte from England but qcpump house is opening up. It's one gym. It's I don't know what it's going to be but a bunch of bodybuilders are excited about it I guess I don't know why. It was just very random. Um, everybody is posting about it I'm like dude, there's no there's no pictures of equipment yet like we don't even know what kind of equipment they're going to have all that there is is an empty warehouse from random mass owners like why are you guys? excited anyways, there's also the core fit which I've I think I've talked about that's opening up. Um, which is like kind of like an influencer like they said like.

48:37.87

christophknoll

Yeah.

48:52.00

Paul

Designer gym for the modern lifter or something is what their quote is um so it's like pretty and like got this like neon lighting and good lighting for videos and shit. So. It's like an influencer kind of gym. Um, so that will be interesting to check out. Maybe one day but yeah there's a couple gyms opening up. Um, but whenever I'm home I'm always hitting ah I'm always hitting vanarchy of course. Yeah I'll just go whenever you go or whatever whenever come up. Um, but yeah vent ven's the ven's the best.

49:14.32

christophknoll

Yeah, and now you'll have another person there.

49:24.19

christophknoll

Yeah.

49:30.90

Paul

The only problem is just the hours. It's just hard to get in there when when he's there or when someone's there to sign up exactly exactly? Um, but yeah I just got to ah get there at the time. But yeah so I mean.

49:31.14

christophknoll

Yeah, but once you get that membership. Yeah, once you get the membership then you're you're you're good.

49:46.79

Paul

But that being said, um, I'm looking forward to seeing what size I can put on I put on quite a bit of weight. Um, as far as prior to the show or the show itself weigh in was like one night just over one ninety four um all the definition I'm losing is really just like in my abdominal section and my my hips just where I store all my fat I was hoping to keep down lower but it's just not really happening. It's just where I'm still putting my fat which we can get in check with. You know this new split I've only really been doing it for four or five days now actually like actual four days of training. So it's possible that like now that I'm doing this new split I'll actually be able to lose some weight loser fat hopefully because of how difficult it is and then plus keeping up with cardio and all that shit too is going to add to it. Um.

50:35.54

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

50:42.57

Paul

So looking forward to keep doing that and getting stronger getting as big as possible because I could put on the weight. Ah where you know not necessarily everybody can so you gotta take advantage of that and just eating as much as I possibly can when it comes to the plan. You know, just keeping up with the food and all of that. But now that we're like at ah a good place for routine I'm just kind of in a routine. You know it's like in 1 way, it's like I missed prep because every day was different but it is kind of nice to be on a routine again and to be like kind of consistent with.

51:20.55

Paul

I'm living my life in general. So it's a good change of pace. It's good change pace to have the routine to have the schedule all of that and just kind of go through the motions. But then when I'm in the gym I'm able to crush it and do everything I want to do and not feel tired not feel exhausted, not feel hungry during it. You know so.

51:35.86

christophknoll

Yeah.

51:38.79

Paul

That's also a good change of pace as well. I get to enjoy the gym again in a sense. Um, but I'm still sweating like a motherfucker when I'm in the gym especially in the hot one with no ac so like that's fun I always love sweating. Um and then being the logbook as well. It's so much fun. Hit new numbers like I'll started to work out or start movement and be like all right I hit this last time on try to beat it by a rep or 2 or add weight and you know do less reps but exactly yeah, um.

52:08.59

christophknoll

Well, that's the progressive overload.

52:15.63

Paul

But sometimes what I'll do even is like I'll lie to myself in my logbook and I'll be like all right I hit 7 for rack pulls by accident I'm going to tell myself I hit 8 So next time I do rack pulls I'm Goingnna aim for 9 You know it's like I like lie out to myself so that I can make the progress um, which is kind of actually really effective.

52:26.00

christophknoll

Yeah.

52:34.46

christophknoll

What I've what what I've done with that too is like. For example, um my dead lifts I was doing like a 10 6 4 and so my last one you know if you did 4 then you try and do 5 but then there was one week

52:35.12

Paul

Because I end up beating it. Oh.

52:48.40

christophknoll

Where I had done for the the previous workout and I had someone there with me and I was like hey if I don't get to 6 really degrade me really yell at me and make sure I get that sixth one up there and like yeah, exactly like he he just really laid it because like I did the fifth one.

52:57.75

Paul

Your mustache looks like shit.

53:05.81

christophknoll

Then you know how you do like the the deadlift pull bar just to like try and get the weight and like ah most people do it just to test it at first but like that was me trying to and then I had to put it. Yeah and then I was like I got to get this up and that's when he really started yelling at me and I was like that's like.

53:10.81

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the like shake kind of thing I do that all the time.

53:23.91

christophknoll

In a normal situation wouldn't have been able to get that sixth one up. But then here's you know this bozo yelling at me and that's all I needed.

53:32.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah, the little motivation. There's whenever I spot someone? Um I tell like I say like depending on the movement I'll tell them different things I usually don't like unless unless they tell me to say something which never happened. But if they were to tell me to say something like that I would but. Typically I just say like motivating shit like drive push like it's all in your head like you got this shit stuff like that. But there's this photo that's been circling about like shit you say in the gym. Um, and what it actually translates to and one of the things that I disagreed with was it said that was all you means you almost died. And it was like no I disagree with that see I say that was all you and it really was all you. But when I say you had it that means they almost died like when I say oh a men you had that shit that means I had to lift that off, you were going to Fail. Um.

54:15.38

christophknoll

Yeah, ah.

54:19.65

christophknoll

Yeah.

54:23.52

Paul

But yeah's that's something that I always say afterwards is I'd tell them how that last rep went from my perspective. But yes, it's It's fun spot and feet people I Just I'm always trading by myself I never train with anybody anymore.

54:34.89

christophknoll

Well, that's another thing too with like my change from empire to van because like an empire there's like a select very select group of people that I know I can like point out and be like hey man can I get a spot here can like give me a liftoff or something like that because 1 it might be like for. If I asked just a random person. It could be ah like a lack of experience at this point because of how many like new people are getting into that gym. But then it's also like the people who just have like the ego lifting and just don't want to do that for someone else and that's so prevalent there that like I'm starting to get like you know.

55:09.87

Paul

Um, but.

55:14.34

christophknoll

I I don't want to ask people and that's that can be detrimental to a workout like especially I'm doing like a drop set of some kind and I want someone there to just flip the plates off like that's something that I can't really do myself if I'm like trying to keep that consistent like set going and so. It's tough to ask people there and that's why I'm look like Van I mean van everyone knows what they're doing there. So like I won't have a problem with that.

55:38.87

Paul

Yeah I think also so like when I was going when I was visiting up there. There wasn't like young a lot of younger guys. There was 1 younger guy. Um, definitely like a natural bodybuilder. Um I think he competed at the time. But There's not many guys at the time that ah that like I would have been like hey can you spot me? Um, because like the thing is is when you're training you want to find a spotter who you know can lift the weight and at the time I was like I'm not like I was training with my friends. You know I was training with cam I trained with Ryan. So they were spoting me. But if I was there by myself. There wasn't really anybody to be like comfortable ask in the spot. But the good thing is is that when you go to the gym at the same time every single day. Um I go to the gym right now like 5 to five thirty every single day you can build rapport with like 1 or 2 people and there's a couple of guys in the gym.

56:32.40

christophknoll

Um, yep.

56:34.65

Paul

Pretty much anybody any day I go that if I need a spot. You know I can ask them and they'll say yes so that's good to to have too is that like there's like there's 1 guy at the other gym. The hot gym that I have to ask for a spot. He's always at the same time as me. Um I try to think there's another one. Like probably all ask the owner he probably would say yes of course and then the other gym I have the front desk guy Christian he's always there whenever I'm there so he always spots for me if I need it and this other guy. So the guy Ryan that I ask if I need anything. He would absolutely spot. So it's good to have that those people to ask that you know you can rely on be like hey. Kind a spot and they'd take a spot for you and then then I do the same return. Um, so I was good to have but then it's also annoying where like like I kind of experienced that eagle lifting side of things when I went to um when I went to Olympus a long time ago. Um, shortly after moving here I started going there so it was like 2021 from like April to August I went there for like four or five months because I just it was all as a power very very heavy power lifting community there and it's very it was very power. Lifting is very egocentric. It's kind of you. It kind of had to be who you are is you have to be.

57:50.16

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:50.83

Paul

You have to want to be stronger than everybody else. So because of that it's just really toxic and all of that and they'd they'd like hog to squat rack for fucking an hour and the benches for an hour and you'd ask them any questions or anything they act like they're you're bothering them all that shit. So like. I know exactly what you're talking about when it comes to like the people are talking about with the ego and what them you know, just power liftfting and shit and going for 1 rep maxes and all that I know exactly what? that's like and that's not a very good atmosphere to be in so it's it's good I think it'll be good to be going to a gym like vanarchy does they have the best lighting. It's got some good lighting here and there but I think the atmosphere and the equipment will make up for it. 1 thing. That's gonna be interesting for you to experience is that they don't have much heating in the winter. Um, it's like spot like spot heaters. It's like.

58:44.64

christophknoll

Yeah, but that's that's what I love I Love extreme temperatures.

58:45.31

Paul

Like kind of like area heaters. So whateverever I train there. What's that? Yeah so when I train there in the winter I'd have to train with like a sweatshirt and sweatpants on and I'd still be kind of cold no matter how hard I train because it was just so fucking freezing in there and then in the summer. It's pretty hot because there's not much Ac.

58:58.82

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:05.21

Paul

Like there's a little bit but also Massachusetts doesn't really ever get that hot anyways. But um, it's hotter in there because there's no ac I think there's like those spot heaters can also be coolers or like their fans at least there's fans that blow around I think but that's about it. So um.

59:11.28

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:23.41

Paul

That'd be interesting for you to experience with the winter and how cold it gets in there.

59:26.18

christophknoll

Hell yeah I mean I do cold plunges and jump in the snow. Anyways I'm not really too worried about the cold side of things. Yeah I will ah teach you my ways.

59:33.70

Paul

Yeah I need a house just so I can get a cold plunge I Want a coluch pool thing you know, low. Yeah and I also want to the other problem that I have with that too is that I going to be able to do it before training because I don't want it to affect my training and recovery and all that.

59:47.52

christophknoll

Yeah I mean the.

59:50.40

Paul

Because they say they say if you do it within 6 hours after trading it mitigates a lot of what you did.

59:55.38

christophknoll

Waking up right in the morning and doing it then is your best time to do it because that also gets you woken up for the day too and like it's It's the best. That's what I mean that's when I do it. So obviously I'm a little biased but.

59:57.61

Paul

Yeah, that's what I've heard. Yeah I'll just I'll get a freezer I'll just get a freezer and just break it up every morning just grab like an ice pick and just break it up and then just hop in that for 2 minutes 3 minutes

01:00:10.97

christophknoll

Yep. Yeah, well that's the 1 thing about living in New England that I get to enjoy that you know five months of the year I don't have to fill up that ice like I don't have to fill it up with ice I just leave it outside and it's just good.

01:00:17.90

Paul

Suffer for a couple minutes and then get out.

01:00:28.47

Paul

Exactly? Yeah, yeah, that's all you got to do the snow will build up and shit around it too. It would be nice and cold.

01:00:33.98

christophknoll

Ah, in the middle of December and February I have to take an ice pick and break the first layer before I can get in. Yeah.

01:00:40.00

Paul

Yeah, it's just chunks of ice just floating around you while you get in? Oh that sounds awful but also amazing to get out afterwards. Everything's going to feel warm. Everything's gonna like you get inside your house even if it's like ° and there's gonna be feel warm as shit.

01:00:48.87

christophknoll

Yep.

01:00:55.69

christophknoll

Ah, guys. Well we we had fun talking about our updates and some other stuff as well. But we'll be back next week with some more ah some more topics for you guys to enjoy bye everybody.

01:01:05.35

Paul

Absolutely thanks for listening guys see up.


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