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HGH #52 - Olympia Anticipation and the Science of Enclomiphene


00:01.37

christophknoll

I can't say welcome back everybody I won't I won't do the old intro again. Yeah, but we're back everybody we're here and we're ah we're on the heels of a big announcement from a big Olympia competitor. We're gonna run just.

00:04.43

Paul

Never never again.

00:18.67

christophknoll

Start with that right away.

00:21.87

Paul

Yeah, yeah is is ah surprising to see it but big Rami has pulled out of the 2023 Olympia so that's ah yeah, where the yeah we're exclusive we got exclusive rights to announce this.

00:27.50

christophknoll

You heard it here first nowhere else nowhere else. We're breaking the news.

00:39.41

Paul

On Apple Podcasts because that's where everybody's going to hear it not Instagram not Youtube Apple and Spotify Podcasts is where all the news comes out yes, Spotify.

00:40.53

christophknoll

Exactly everyone comes to us for yeah.

00:50.91

christophknoll

And Anchor if you're if you're listening on hunt.

00:59.50

Paul

Ah, Spotify for for podcasters is now is what it's called was anchor but now it's if you if you look it up. It's podcasters.spotify.com is the site and that's where we that's where you post our episodes is our distribution. Um. Site basically and it when we post our podcast there. It distributes to all the outlets that we have gotten approval for for posting which is like basically all of them. Um, and ah yeah, you could you could listen to our um.

01:25.30

christophknoll

But that's where that's where I go to get my breaking news on and on the bodybuilding world.

01:35.50

Paul

You could listen to our podcasts on there but now it's called spot pods Spotify for podcasters and that's where all the ah the important people go for for news. It's the good stuff. It's the unbiased opinions. Yeah, just.

01:46.51

christophknoll

On unabridged versions of everything.

01:53.19

Paul

Yeah, unabridged on Bias Straight Center No bias nothing.

01:58.44

christophknoll

We're not even in the bodybuilding world. We're breaking news as we hear it. Ah we we see Derek for more plates more dates do an entire podcast on it and then we turn his fifteen one into

02:00.96

Paul

Yeah, we're just we see Nick Strength at power post and then we talk about it. That's a strategy.

02:15.86

christophknoll

15 minute 1 into a 2 hour 1

02:19.57

Paul

Essentially yeah, we'll just stretch it out. We'll talk about a ton of different things and then touch on that. Um, but yeah so big romney did pull out of the 2023 Olympia um, which I mean I'm I'm surprised he's not like retired yet. He's been competating for a while.

02:23.37

christophknoll

And yeah.

02:31.55

christophknoll

He yeah I it's it said he's 39 years old so I mean he's gotten there. He's almost masters masters what 50

02:39.63

Paul

Yeah, now it's well it depends on the the competition you're in I want to say managers for the olympia is 45 and up. Yeah, he's almost there. Um I know play. There's a plenty of guys in men's physique that compete at.

02:47.68

christophknoll

So he's basically there.

02:57.10

Paul

You know in their 40 s but men's su seek is a different world than men's open I mean you just men's open size. You can only hold on to that for typically maybe 10 years at the most. But then it starts to fall off.

03:04.90

christophknoll

Yeah, and and ingesting what you ingest like just in terms of the the supplements at that size like that's that's absurd.

03:16.59

Paul

yeah yeah I mean it's a lot on the body. There's a bodybuilder I forget who it was had might have been from a generation iron documentary but he was talking about how he's like there's no way that any of this is healthy like if you think about it regardless of like. Anything supplement wise he said the food alone were eaten enough for like 10 people in a lifetime. He's like that's not how the human body is built. You know we're not built to digest this amount of food. Ah and that was a really good point that he had.

03:40.49

christophknoll

Yeah.

03:51.26

Paul

Because I never thought about the food aspect of things. It was just like oh you got to eat to feel your body but then he was like yeah you're eating 6 7 eight Thousand calories a day when really we should be having a quarter of that almost to be healthy.

04:00.28

christophknoll

Well, if you if you look at I mean prior to modern civilization like old like cavemen or or the the hunter gatherer people they realistically they were super skinny because they ate literally just what the body needed and I mean maybe. Maybe getting to like two thousand calories that's maybe so.

04:22.85

Paul

Yeah, it's it was also just the difficulty of gathering the food to just getting. It is not even necessarily just what they needed it was they had trouble getting it too.

04:26.77

christophknoll

But my yeah yeah I'm just saying I'm just saying my my point that on on your unhealthy food like how much we eat. It's like absolutely because we know the body can operate on far less.

04:42.69

Paul

Yeah, yeah I mean there's there are diets out there that are obviously focused on how the neanderthals at paleo is one of them. But there's people who even to kind of take it a step further and they'll do paleo. But then they'll only have like meat a couple times a week because that's really how it was back then. They'd only have meat whenever they could actually catch an animal or kill an animal which wasn't very often because we weren't super experienced hunters at the time and we didn't have all these tools like bows or guts or anything like that to make hunting a lot easier so it was just like sticks you know and just beating the fucking piss out of animals with rocks or something. Like that's all they. That's all he could do you know and like we're slow as shit for animals. Typically we are very slow animals. So It's not like we can just catch an animal by running after it typically. So.

05:28.31

christophknoll

Yeah, you you can only eat meat when you hunt something and if you live in New York City you're just going after the fats fucking squirrels and rats.

05:37.85

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you just go after the the gigantic rats that somehow live in the sewers and shit. Um, there's sewer people and I think vegas I want to say is there's howless people that live in the sewers in Vegas.

05:44.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

05:52.41

christophknoll

Interesting. Yeah.

05:54.95

Paul

Because there's like a bunch of abandoned tunnels and shit and it to get so hot that they have to stay down there because it's cool down there and it's just pure dark all the time. It's wild. Yeah, they're just like Hiss at the sun vitamin d no I don't want it.

06:01.80

christophknoll

And they come up to the surface once a month

06:10.76

christophknoll

See the see the human body doesn't need what we eat.

06:13.24

Paul

Instant Burn. No no, it doesn't need suter anything to folks should we just die and that's it that that's our only that's only job.

06:23.10

christophknoll

See would you would you rather eat six thousand calories a day or chew on this piece of cardboard. You tell me.

06:31.14

Paul

Yeah, this boot leather 1 eat some boot leather and or do you want to eat six thousand calories of chicken you pick.

06:38.22

christophknoll

Two hundred and fifty grams of protein or stick.

06:43.11

Paul

Yeah, more nutritional value there. A lot of micronutrients in that stick, especially if you use it as a gun first builds up micronutrients.

06:49.80

christophknoll

He was going to say what? whatever is like slathered onto it from stabbing an animal.

06:57.38

Paul

Yeah, exactly all the blood just some iron you got some iron and nickel tasting nickel tasting stick is my favorite meal. Um, we did kind of go off on a tangent. But. Ah, yeah, so to add to it? Um, So you're saying it was like what was the issue with big rami you were saying.

07:15.22

christophknoll

Yeah, um, big rami not hardy I misspoker before the pad podcast started and Paul was just like fuck. Um, but yeah, ah, big Rami has some kind of elbow inflammation. It's not super specific on the injury. Um, he yeah went on a.

07:19.17

Paul

Yeah.

07:29.43

Paul

Not surprise.

07:32.63

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, he went on a interview with um god who was the guy who broke it? Um I'm blanking on the on the on the agency that covered it. Um, actually if I have it here on my phone give me 1 sec.

07:50.15

christophknoll

He told it to ah um, I have it right here. All these ads gosh start it ah voice of bodybuilding. There's a Youtube channel um voice of bodybuilding and he broke it to them and just said like. Hey I've got severe you know inflammation in my elbow doctor says I need to you know seriously take some time and cool off with it and I mean the elbow is one of the joints that gets used a ton in the gym if you think about like benching you're hinging on your like I mean not. Truly hinging on the elbow but you you are utilizing it on your bicep curls and or triceps your your elbow is engaged as well. Just moving it in the direction that it moves for those exercises. So like it's a big big part of it and I mean someone who's. Had torn tendons in his elbow. You can't really lift when it's really messed up so I'm surprised he you know made it this far before pulling out or unless he just has already been taking time off to you know heal and he just decided to break the news now I can understand that too. Um, but.

09:00.31

Paul

See that's what I think I think that he was kind of holding off on it because you don't get like these guys are in prep for 8 to twelve weeks um yeah he would have been most of the way there either way.

09:00.91

christophknoll

Yeah.

09:05.50

christophknoll

Which means they would have been halfway through at least in their prep.

09:14.96

Paul

And then now he decides to pull out like that's 8 he would have been in prep for 8 to twelve weeks prior to announcing it at least so he would have been in hell for 8 twelve weeks just to pull out like I think you pull that weight like this second. He'd be like we'd have to like really. Do some damage in order to compete at this olympia I you'd pull out immediately. You call it a quits because you just don't you don't want to go through that anymore. If you're not even going to compete in it. You just don't go through it obviously you got a taper off shit like anabolics and all that. But. The food wise the training the cardio all of that he immediately I would have assumed immediately pulled back this second he was like hey I can't really do it this year that's what I would do.

09:53.76

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean like we're saying he's 39 so I mean if any if you have not just a severe an injury but any injury that you think is going to you know hinder your your longevity. You probably want to take time for yourself. So.

10:09.50

Paul

Yeah.

10:12.36

christophknoll

You know we I understand it. Um, certainly going to I wish he was going to perform because you know he brought such a you know Midpackage last year that I was hoping he would so like have a super overhaul and comeback just absolutely diced like he did in like 21 um so um.

10:28.64

Paul

A.

10:31.48

christophknoll

Unfortunately have gonna have to wait a year for that because I'm sure he's going to return at least once like you can't end your your Olympia career on saying no because of an injury I think you have to come back, especially as a previous winner you have to come back and just even if you place you know top 10 and not.

10:42.60

Paul

Yeah.

10:50.70

christophknoll

Even top 3 or top 5 like just top 10 you still have to come back and you know just do it one last time because a lot of it like we've talked about in the past is like a lot of these body bones are doing it for the love of it like at least I mean old generations but even some people now are just doing it for the for the love of it and like.

11:02.25

Paul

Yeah, no yeah.

11:10.62

christophknoll

You just want to be on stage like I've never been on stage but I'm a performer like I love like performer for people in real life like and everything else I do and I want to be on stage and I haven't even you know you know gotten the the itch yet and you've been on stage and like you want to get back to it too like it's just like that that craving you know.

11:25.44

Paul

Yeah.

11:28.87

christophknoll

And especially with these big time like you know the guys who are in the olympia. They're only doing a couple shows a year if they don't have to qualify you know like so yeah, well so that was the other thing though.

11:36.58

Paul

Oh just one if they don't have to qualify they do. They'll just do the olympia. Okay, maybe the arnold depending a lot of the time. The arnold is for the money a lot of time. The arnold is for the money now.

11:47.80

christophknoll

And that's the other thing there's a potential ah Arnold return because arnold happens in March so that's ah, five months so from what I was reading from what I was reading. He said that you know the arnold is a pretty pretty good chance. So if you misses the olympia we might be able to get big rami. Ah.

11:56.14

Paul

Yeah.

12:03.90

Paul

Yeah I could see that.

12:07.42

christophknoll

Arnold and then that'll be him like you know, basically gearing up for the next olympia in 24 so we might get him earlier than that than the next olympia. But even if we don't gonna be gonna be sad to ah not see him this year

12:12.31

Paul

Yeah I can see that happening.

12:23.70

Paul

Yeah I mean that's ah, that's big. Rami's problem is that he's always come in like like he always looks insane on social media like even just even four weeks out like he'll look fucking crazy like he'll look dice to the gills and then you show up on stage. He's like who the fuck is this guy.

12:35.85

christophknoll

Yeah.

12:38.68

Paul

Like he's all washed out like he lost a lot of conditioning stuff like that. So. It's just for some reason you could never nail his peak and I think 21 like he semi-nailed it but then also everybody else came in worse than he did is what I think is like sometimes sometimes with Bodybuilding. Um. You say the the saying is that if you lose you just weren't the best bodyboder that day but sometimes also um, winning. You'll see some shows where the guy who won didn't really bring something super spectacular and that just kind of shows that like. Just because some people win at these giant shows doesn't necessarily mean that they like came in 100%. It just everybody else came in worse and they did which is unfortunate but that's just how that's how the game is it's It's like any other sport Sometimes you don't even have to be the better Team. You just don't have to be the worst Team. You know if the.

13:19.30

christophknoll

Yep.

13:26.23

christophknoll

Who.

13:30.50

Paul

You know if you're watching a basketball game or football game or something like that. You just need to perform technically better than the other team or they need to perform worse than you are um, but that was that was big romney I think in 21 and 2020 all that is just I think he just ah performed or he just came in better than everybody else did but everybody else came in worse than he did. Ah, but I think now even without Rob even with brimney competing I think it's ah I think it's Derek Lunford's time to ah to rain champ. Yeah.

13:59.31

christophknoll

Well, we thought he was going to bring it last year I mean good for Houghty we ah, we obviously love the haughty story but I know you and I I lo well more so you but we're at least saying you know that last year should have been it already so this year is probably you know. Lot of revenge like the revenge tour kind of you know.

14:19.88

Paul

Yeah I get yeah again last year we did talk about it last year when it happened um I get why heie won he put in his he put in the year as he put in the time and it could have been a tossup either way like I was happy with Heidi weded because he brought a great package and it could have been Derek as well. It literally could have been either 1 of them. Um, first and second it could have been. It could have gone either way. So that's why I'm like okay that's why I'm actually in a way happy that they picked Heidi because Heidi's been busing his ass for a longass time in the olympia to try to win and he's come so close so many times so when it's as tossup.

14:54.88

Paul

I think you should give it to the person who's been working towards it longer than the other person. Um, he's hadi's been very influential, especially in the Middle East um he's been doing it for a very long time at the olympia specifically not even just bodybuilding but competing in the olympia for a very long time and he. You also need to understand too like that's why it must have been. That's that's the other reason I think that big Rami held out on the announcement was that when it comes to society and culture in the Middle East heidi did talk about it in 1 of the generation iron documentaries that he was in he they talk about how. Ah, it's the middle east um you know arabic culture is very much built off of ah honor you know, honor and success and pride and all of that. So when you come back to your country even in second place you're basically like. They just throw you to the wolves like they don't give a shit about you anymore you know like they they don't care they they are in a way they almost hate you because you lost like you should have won blah blah blah but what he won he came back like literally a god like like they were like borderline worshiping him when he came back because he brought that the world's best title back you know.

16:09.94

christophknoll

Well the the videos of of hadies are sorry the ah the airport and the streets lining the airport I mean it was like do you remember back when Brazil won the world cup and when rio filled up and they.

16:10.96

Paul

So.

16:17.84

Paul

Yep.

16:22.86

christophknoll

Like it was just absolutely every single person inside of the country of Brazil was in this one city. That's basically that's basically what it was for for hadi coming back to um to Iran.

16:30.18

Paul

Yeah, it's wild. Yeah, yeah, it was every people who didn't even watch bodybuilding were were celebrate with them because it's just an accomplishment for Them. Ah. So. That's also why I'm okay with it because he he was able to experience that Glory. You know he brought glory back to his country. That's that was the word I was looking for.. It's It's a little bit of ah honor and it's a lot of glory. It's all about glory I think and he brought that back to his country.

16:54.13

christophknoll

I Think they I think they enacted a giant statue form too. Um I feel I I feel like I remember seeing that hold on.

17:03.68

Paul

I'm not surprised and not surprised. That's what he yeah.

17:07.72

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, how do you had each open immortalized with massive ten foot statue in Iran.

17:17.36

Paul

That's wild good for him. But.

17:21.80

christophknoll

Let me see if I could see a picture of it. Wow Yeah, that thing is massive. Ah, that's insane.

17:24.64

Paul

Let me take a look at it high chooping statue. Yeah, yeah, it is that that thing makes them the proportions on it are a bit better.

17:32.81

christophknoll

It's enormous. Ah.

17:44.30

Paul

But that's wild that thing is sick. He's diced to the gills as a statue.

17:45.87

christophknoll

You know how you know how we used to. We used to like look at Greek statues and whatnot and because those were the the relics of the past. So now. If if our civilization ever goes by the wayside and a new modern civilization comes around. They're going to see like the arnold one they're going to see the haughty one and be like wow. That's ah that that that those were the the peak things of of their time.

18:12.93

Paul

Yeah, yeah, they're gonna see the statues and be like is this what they looked like they're gonna see the hotughty cuin statue and be like is just what every human looked like oh my gosh.

18:19.26

christophknoll

Ha Ha and it's goingnna be Ah, it's gonna be a bunch of multihair colored like wheelchair driving people and they're gonna be like that's disgusts me.

18:33.24

Paul

That makes me feel bad about myself. So that's bad I'm proud to be who I am and not put any effort into it. Um, but yeah, so good for him anyways, with that with that olympia last year but with that being said I do think that is Derek's time to win. Um, I think that he's going to bring a package that's going to be insane. Um I also am very much looking forward to hunter Labrada Hunter is looking absolutely diced for weeks out like he looks insane right now. Ah, so we'll see how that goes so I'm looking forward to that for him as far as I think overall I think Derek's going to win as long as he can nail his peak like he did last year I think hunter I I could see him top 3 potentially. Ah. Top 3 for hunter as far as the other top 3 I'm not sure it's hard to say ah it it could be um, what's his why am I drawing I always draw blank whenever I want to talk about bodybuilders. Um. Brendan yes curry. Yes Brandon it could be Breon Curry top 3 but he always comes in a bit unconditioned. He just never nails it. Ah so I think he's just kind of come down to hunt elbrada derek maybe Brandon Curry

19:47.35

christophknoll

Curry.

20:04.86

Paul

Ah, maybe hotty potentially if he nails his peak again I could see that happening I think I want recon grimes in top 5 But I don't think that's going to happen maybe top 10

20:16.42

christophknoll

Dude I thought Regan grinds miss the ah the qualifie from that show. He got it. Okay, okay.

20:21.72

Paul

No, he got it. He got it. Yeah, he he did compete in 2 he lot he didn't he he didn't win the first one but then he won the second one and he got his olympia qualification. Um I think it came down to his peak and prep for those shows like.

20:27.19

christophknoll

Yeah.

20:39.64

Paul

It was like okay, let's so like let's say like you had ten weeks of prep you can use a show for prep. So maybe they were like hey you know what? let's hit the show if we win it great if not. We'll use it as a way to push your body to get to the next show and. He had ended up place in second so they're like all right now. Let's do this show because you can typically for most shows you can register like I think it's like up at up to about 24 hours out I want to say you have to register at least 24 hours out from the show and then you can compete in it. But so he could they could.

21:11.00

christophknoll

Yeah.

21:16.61

Paul

Potentially not even know what show he's going to hit until he registers for it. So I think that's what really happened I'm always been in I've always been a big fan of Regan Grimes um I think if he he just needs the size really.

21:27.41

christophknoll

Well I remember I remember seeing Regan Grime um on one of the first generation irons like because when he was like super early on in his career. You know like like he's almost.

21:35.58

Paul

It was 3 actually he wasn't even pro yet I don't think.

21:44.51

christophknoll

Yeah, he's almost like you like unrecognizable like to who what he what? he's become now you know and something like that.

21:52.62

Paul

Yeah I think he was in generation I two I want to say um yeah, Regan's gone through a bunch of ah different periods within his bodybuding career. It was like he competed in classic originally and then he went to oxygen gym which is where big Robbie trains.

22:07.38

christophknoll

Ah.

22:07.87

Paul

So actually he and ba brand and curry big robbing brand and curry I believe were both at oxygen I don't if Bri and curry still with it. But I know big rommi still is so Regan goes to to to oxygen gym puts on an insane amount of size just so much fucking size. He got up to like over £300 in like a year when he was like two fifty he was crazy. Um, pushed obviously copious amounts of gear. Ah 8 tons of food and the thing with oxygen is that I want to say it's obviously it's obviously like invite only these guys are in by only to to this gym.

22:29.56

christophknoll

Yeah.

22:44.33

Paul

And the guy who runs it just loves bodybuilding. He's never a bodybuilder. Never really not. He's the into fitness but he's not really like he's never even come close to bodybuilding but he's just filthy fucking rich and he just loves a sport. So I think it's like a like kind of like a full ride like he pays for everything they do like um like like ah electricity.

22:52.45

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:04.21

Paul

Monitoring and like electronic ah like stimulation and all of that they do all these different blood tests and like they always got these machines hooked up to them when they're doing cardio and shit like all this different stuff. They're using to to try to enhance the human body through. Guy's money and through Kuwait and all of that because that's where oxygen gym is based off of of is ah Kuwait um, so Regan put on all the size. But then I think something either happened with his health or like he wasn't happy with where he was at so that he came back to Canada. For a while downsized a bit but focused on quality tissue rather than just overall size and getting bloated in shit and then from there he then eventually broke up with his wife I think at the time which was kind of sad because he had his wife I think in generation iron I think it was the second one I think.

23:57.69

christophknoll

Yep.

23:58.72

Paul

Um, and then now they're got together and they have been together for a while and then he moved to Vegas um, and that's where he's at now and he he trains with isn't is it is a honey rambod off. No I don't think it's.

24:12.93

christophknoll

Ah, well.

24:15.46

Paul

No I don't think it's Tony it's um oh my gosh I could name him normally if he also trains Logan Franklin I believe the guy the coach not he doesn't really wel me he trains with Regan but he is a coach. Um.

24:33.88

Paul

Not Matt Jansen it's ah oh my gosh. Why am I drawing a blank.

24:38.35

christophknoll

I'm just looking on his Instagram trying to see it.

24:43.80

Paul

It's ah Milosarkev duh wow why did I not think of that it's milosarkev that he is his coach. So Milos is also the coach for. Ah, Logan Franklin I believe and meis has been a big ah a big coach over the years he's one of those ones that a lot of people would like love to work with and he just picks who he works with um so he started working with Regan um, you know sar cave.

25:16.14

Paul

Let me see if I could find out who who else he coaches.

25:23.97

Paul

Um, there's not really like a list I wish there's like a list. Um, apparently he's coached also athletes in the Nba and Nhl as well for just performance in general. Um. But yeah, his Regan is like his like main athlete Regan's the one that he focuses the most on for sure. But yeah, so so he trains with Milos in Vegas now and that's kind of what's kind of pushed him over into a more high quality.

25:42.13

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:57.52

Paul

Ah, physique is working with reep with Milos oh Sam's and doubta.

25:59.27

christophknoll

Well looking through his his looking through his Instagram too like he's he has a lot of recovery stuff on there now too like he's obviously getting diced for the for the olympia. Um, but he's got like ivy.

26:11.37

Paul

Yeah, no.

26:15.94

christophknoll

Therapy treatments on here. He's got um his other kind of relaxation type things so it looks like it's a lot healthier. Um, and ah.

26:26.94

Paul

Well, he is probably rebounding out of it for a few weeks putting on a little bit of quality tissue while keeping the conditioning like really low um in really good conditioning I mean and then now he's probably very very very soon. He's probably going to bounce out of that rebound if he's not already done. It. Like there's a photo you posted a day ago. Whoa holy shit. He's posted 5 times in a day. No, that's four weeks ago these are pinned never mind 5 hours okay 11 hours yes so he has posted a few times of the past day or so but ah, he.

26:55.30

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

27:04.20

Paul

Posted yesterday I saw this he said seven days low at one hundred twenty grams of carbs per day and then now two days at seven hundred grams of carbs. So he's carving up. Um, it's it's just going to be to spike his insulin sensitivity his overall metabolism and all of that so that that way he. Is more so more susceptible to utilizing the nutrients that he takes in going forward. That's kind of what like a cheat day is or cheat meal is is for is so that you're more sensitive to the food you're gonna be eating so once you push that food now like today he's in Vegas. So. Today or whatever he's posting all this other stuff like today tomorrow so on he's probably now low carb again and ah, really pushing the cardio and everything now that his metabolism is in a better place and his insulin sensitivity is much higher because seven hundred grams of carbs versus 120 is a fucking shit ton like he's probably like.

27:57.95

christophknoll

Um, oh yeah.

28:02.20

Paul

Force feeding that amount of carbs because you're when you're when you're going through a prep like that I did to I mean obviously I'm nowhere near as experienced as he is you know a drop in the bucket comparison. But when I was going through prep and I'm sure he goes through the same thing your stomach shrinks because you're eating such a little amount of food and your body adapts to. Having that so that way more food feels like a lot more than it or less food feels like a lot more than it is so going from one hundred twenty grams of carbs for him then jump into 700 like he totally had to like stretch out his stomach to eat all that ah, which apparently people were saying somebody asked what carbs they were and he said.

28:31.40

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:39.85

Paul

Rice and different mixes of potato like different potatoes excuse me mo yawning their recordings ah rice and mix of different potatoes is what he said so you probably had some like sweet potato. Maybe some purple japanese potatoes russet potatoes. Potentially whatever it is but. Yeah, if he's just doing the rice and potatoes that shit's gonna stack up and it's gonna be hard to eat that. So I wonder how he felt those two days but he looked fucking like felled out in that photo that he posted just absolutely wild looking.

29:14.69

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean I just sent you it from his Instagram but um, he's he's got some really cool you know workout things on here I mean obviously when you get to that level you ah you get to you. You probably have some really cool techniques but like he's. what what I sent you is. He's doing rack pulls but it's from a from a bench. It's like it's it's such like a unique way of doing. It's not like it's not achieving anything different from doing it from a rack but it's like an idea to use for when you for when you.

29:33.98

Paul

Yeah I see that.

29:46.45

christophknoll

Don't have a rack available or something like that like that's just real interesting to see. Um.

29:51.80

Paul

I mean I feel like he has a record available but my my thinking probably what he's going for right now in that I can see the video right here I think yeah so somebody's asking what it's good for I think um, somebody's saying. Now. It's not for Hammies's you're fucking. Yeah I was gonna say you're crazy. Ah, yeah, it's just for back. 0 Hams are glutes the way I do this this exercise. It's all back I think the reason he's doing it with a bench is actually because it keeps his knees kind of spaced out exactly where he needs it to be.

30:24.56

christophknoll

I get that.

30:28.60

Paul

You know like it's just it just he doesn't have to think about it but he's also doing 2 plates doing really slow reps and just squeezing the fuck out of it for sure.

30:32.70

christophknoll

I was good I was going to say like for rack pulls like 2 plates is like that's less than what I do when I do like my working set. So it's definitely weight that he's like slowly moving and controlling and really focusing on his contraction.

30:48.00

Paul

Yeah, ah, it's actually my warmup weight my warm up weight on rack pulse is 2 plates I get like I could easily get like 14 or fifteen out of those like before I really start struggling. Ah so for him this is super lightweight. He's putting the ego aside obviously and just focusing on.

30:52.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:07.55

Paul

Just most contraction and just building it up. Ah, somebody said your your traps have their own post code. Ah, but yeah, it's sick. That's an interesting way to do it it Maybe I'll try it later on.

31:20.91

christophknoll

Yeah, now you know what? what always happens is every time we do one of these podcasts and it's not supposed to be 1 of my lifting days like today I'm not supposed to lift I always want to go and lift because I just I get in the mood for you know.

31:32.94

Paul

Yeah, we had the same thing happens for me too. That's why I like to have a training day after our recording sessions. But today's quads unfortunately so I'm really too excited about that. Um.

31:45.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:50.25

Paul

But if you look at five days ago he posted a transformation ten years ago. He was one hundred and seventy pounds versus 270 and I'm like like that's that's how you know when you're built from ends open because you can just put on a shit 10 of size. Yeah, you just like.

31:51.86

christophknoll

Yeah I saw that.

32:02.58

christophknoll

You're able to do that. Even even with anabolics. Not everyone can do that.

32:08.29

Paul

Hundred pounds yeah hundred pounds over 10 years like that's a lot of size to put on I mean I think realistically he probably puts on a good like eight nine pounds of lean muscle tissue a year which is a stall about a lean muscle tissue. That's what my goal is over this next year

32:21.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

32:27.33

Paul

Is is anywhere from 7 to £9 so that way I'm closer to one ninety on stage. That's that's my goal so we'll see but for steroids versus after steroids shut shut the fuck up.

32:42.40

christophknoll

I'm Naddy now.

32:43.77

Paul

Yeah I was I was I wasn't adddie. Not anymore after 10 years what even like 30 minutes

32:51.81

christophknoll

That's what I hate about people will post like that. It's like you know you take an absurd amount of stuff and then it's like I'm natty now it's like ah we go back to the liver king stuff where he's taken like you know $14000 worth of stuff and it's like well I'm naddy now even though he's.

33:02.20

Paul

The okay.

33:07.54

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah, exactly um here, let's ah, let's see and we're back. Sorry guys we my wife came in.

33:09.33

christophknoll

Not but yeah side tangent.

33:25.75

Paul

She army crawled in if you guys are watching ah on Youtube when it gets posted ah you'll probably see that she was just saying by. Um, yeah when I what I posted up is like halfway through probably.

33:31.20

christophknoll

I didn't even see her so I'll have to off to look back in the tape and see because because Paul's camera blurs the background for anybody who doesn't have ah who doesn't watch this so like you can sit. You can see it but like it's it's you know. Slightly blurred to emphasize Paul in the picture. So I wonder if you can even see any when you just see the arms crawling in.

33:48.86

Paul

Yeah, yeah, she was touching my like hip and I was like what the hell is going off is the dog because the dog came in and then I saw the dog on the bed and my hip was still getting touched so like that's not the dog. So looked to know her and she would just say bye cause she was leaving but um, yeah, so we were talking about you can Grimes Emillo saev and all of that. Um, so I think I'd love it if you was in top 3 I just don't think it's read I don't think it's um, doable like I don't think that's reasonable. As far as a prediction for this for this olympia for men's open I think top 10 is very doable hopefully top 5 but it's hard to say because last time I think he got like thirteenth or something last Olympia he was like second or third call out it wasn't. That high grade and he looked great like Reagan always looks great and he's got one of my favorite men's open physiques currently. But um, it just isn't up there with the other guys quite yet which excuse me maybe comes down to. I think a lot of size issues is part of it. Um, but he's put on a lot of size over the time and I think he's in a much better place now. Um I think the biggest places that may pull him back a little bit is simply just as lats I think I think he just needs.

35:04.48

christophknoll

You know.

35:20.99

Paul

Maybe some more width. But I think he still looks great like it's that's the only place he could potentially see them docking him points. It's just his lats and then just from there be his conditioning maybe his legs but his legs are crazy so I can't imagine that. Um. To see his like career double or something to see if his legs looks well. But overall he does look great so we'll see how that goes. But yeah so I think ah I think Derek and Hunter Lebrada Top 3 maybe Nick Walker Top 3 we'll see. We'll see how that goes ah people compared Nick Walker and Hunter Labrada pretty often often I think a lasts olympia I think it was um, hunter third or fourth and then Nick right behind him fourth or fifth. Whatever the placing was I can't quite remember let me look it up.

36:13.23

christophknoll

Yeah I mean we've been talking about Nick Walker a long time. He just has that freakish appearance you know because of how much he takes and how much he puts in his body.

36:16.90

Paul

Um.

36:22.54

Paul

Yeah, yeah, he's ah he's just a freak and that's what he gets rewarded for. Yeah, so's hotty then Derek then Nick then Brandon then big rommi. Really okay I could have sworn. Ah. Huntta Lebrada placed higher. Maybe I'm thinking of the arnold or something. But yes so Nick got third so it's very possible that instead of ah top 3 being Derek Hunter and Hotie it could be Derek Nick and hotty. I mean I would love to see a top 3 of Derek Hunter and and nick andnna be a great top 3 but we'll have to see I mean it's just I'm not the biggest fan of Hunter's midsection it's just the way he's built. It's just not my favorite but ah outside that I think he's got a really great physique.

37:14.65

christophknoll

And we could be entirely wrong too. That's a good like 1 of the most fun things about bodybuilding we could spit all these predictions and then something like 2022 ah big rommi happens where just not at all coming in with the package and then someone else steps up.

37:16.61

Paul

Good.

37:31.60

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it is completely missing his peak entirely. Ah, you know 1 of them Derek had completely missed it hypothetically and just just come in completely washed out and just lacking all conditioning. Ah but we'll see I mean.

37:31.69

christophknoll

Like we could be entirely wrong about it.

37:48.10

Paul

Either way I think I truly think that I got hunter at first or not Hunter Derek at First. Ah, regardless, that's kind of who I'm I'm not going to put any money on it. I don't bet but I think Derek I'm put in first for sure everybody after that I think Nick Third is very reasonable in my opinion considering he's also put on a lot more size and conditioning this year too so far from what we've seen Hadie could be anywhere in there Bret and curry maybe top 5 is my guess. Ah. That's where kind of where I got him. He's getting older is conditioning is is harder to get dialed in I think Hunter Top 5 so I think top 5 is probably gonna be easier than top 3 I think Hadi Derek Nick Hunter Top 4 Potentially Brandon Top 5 like that was my top 5 right there but I think I got Derek first nick top 3 and then everybody else is a toss up. No no, no, he's unlike 2 or 3 um.

38:39.15

christophknoll

No, and this is this is Regan Grimes First Olympia isn't it written in. No but in the in the open I mean sorry now. Okay, okay.

38:58.64

Paul

Yeah let me see if I could find his like overall like um placings usually like people will have like placings of each show. Yeah, this is old. Okay, that's to be determined um and he didn't do the 2022 Olympia he took time off last year he wasn't the 2021? Yeah, he said so basically ah he didn't he use he was competing consistently over the few years prior to the Twenty Twenty Two Olympia I know he did the 21 Olympia ah and really stark have. Points out that size is the biggest factor he wants to bring to the Olympia. So Sark have agreed basically with Grimes that basically just that size is their main main focus over the past I guess now 2 years which is putting on size.

39:50.67

christophknoll

Yeah.

39:53.62

Paul

He thinks that so Milo star if was thin that he thinks he has better symmetry Grant Grimes has better symmetry than most of the competition including Hadty Nick big Rami Braon um but simply there's a lot of those guys just have way too much size. Um for rabi for for rican at the time to compete with. So he's got to put on some more size. Ah so with that being said, what is I've trying to find his placings over the years maybe generation hot iron has it. Let's see.

40:28.30

Paul

It's possible. Yeah there we go. Okay so 2023 he got first of the europa pro in 21 he got third place of the prague pro and first place at the egypt pro which I think is how he qualified for the olympia. Um, and Twenty Twenty he got fifteenth for men's open in the olympia and 2021. He also got fifteenth of the men's open Olympia. So um, that's where all that came in I think so twenty eighteen he was doing New York Pro Classic Men's physique is where he got. Where he stopped classic I think because obviously like if you look back. There's like all the junior stuff fitness events. Yes, a middle weight men's bodybuilding. So I think really where he came in was like 2017 because it's saying ib men's bodybuilding ibb men's bodybuilding ib men's open bodybuilding so twenty seventeen he must have won a national show in order to get his ibb pro card and then oh wait maybe it was twenty fourteen no junior bodybuiling no I love one worked so 17 he must have won his pro card. Some pro competitions in men's men's bodybuilding moved down in size to classic physique got first at the New York pro but then eighth at the olympia and classic physique in 2018 so 2018 he did the classic physique at the Olympia which is wow they didn't know that he got eighth and then.

41:55.58

Paul

19 he did men's bodybuilding twenty twenty men's bodybuilding twenty twenty one men's bodybuilding so he moved up to men's bodybuil at 2019 and that's where he's competing and now he just needs to put on size so he did down he did downsize. So I think they must have.

42:03.37

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:12.79

Paul

Forget when oxygen picked him up. Um, it might have been 2016 maybe when they picked him up maybe 2017 as an athlete and then he put all that size for 2017 but then he down size for 2018 to do classic physique but he was like he must have been right on the cusp of like the the.

42:24.78

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:31.10

Paul

The top weight cap for for classic he had to have been because he wasn't too far off from ah men's open size. You know you didn't have to put on too much size.

42:37.56

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean yeah and we talked about how big he got so I mean slimming down probably must have been you know little bit easier than putting on all that size.

42:49.39

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you just do right? like literally just rest you just like to downsize. Really you you train less you eat less less Maybe more cardio potentially just for overall health. But that's really it and you just do less which is like.

43:03.89

christophknoll

Yeah.

43:08.83

Paul

You talk to any bodybuilder, especially those that have gone through severe like hard off seasons are are hard on seasons like preps and taking a rest period. They'll love it. Trust me like what I went through prep and like I'm still going through my rebound and shit and it's hard and ah. I can't wait for my rest period soon like to to get healthy and all that um so speaking of which I think I got my update from last weekend. Um I believe last weekend is when he told me my coach told me what the play it is so we're tapering from. So testosterone we' tapering down to one hundred and fifty migs which is inquitaious to t r t dose. It's still an anabolic amount I think my total test on one hundred fifty megs is like thirteen hundred nanograms which is a solid amount like that's anabolic level like I'm still making gains with that.

44:01.95

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:04.48

Paul

Ah, realistically if I want to do like a tr t dose probably like a hundred megs maybe like 80 at the least that's like a true t r t dose like six hundred nanograms probably where I'll be in that ballpark with that but total test at 150 is like is like 121300 so getting down to that. Um.

44:23.72

Paul

And then we're adding so have everything in stock now except ch clomapine but we're doing klomet. We're potentially doinglomet nolvidex hcg h mg and then and chlomapine potentially all of these things it sounds like a lot but it's really not a lot because we're only running potentially like Acg for a week you know might blow through it in like a week week and a half um so whatever the plan is for novidex and chlomet I'm not sure and chlomafine. So um I think I mentioned and we did talk about en chlommaine in the past. Ah it was hard to find exactly what it does because it's not as far as like bodybuilding goes. It's not really been. Talked about too much but basically after looking into other trt clinics and stuff like that who talk about it essentially what in chlomapine and it it does because the problem that I was having when I was researching this was like every time I I looked up in ch clomafine I'd always find chloid right? It was like why why am I always finding results for chloide when I'm looking up in ch clolommaine. Ah, it was hard to find true information about and chlomapine only. So basically the result of this is in chlomma feed and chloid are essentially the same thing essentially shuts down your estrogen production. It just stops and essentially your body building up estrogen the difference is is that. ch cloid has a multiple day halflife where chlommaine has like so like a few hours for halflife and what a half -life is is let's say a half -life is a day what that means is let's say you're at 100%. You just took something and ah in 24 hours it'll 24 hours hat's leftover is in your system still.

45:59.53

Paul

Then 24 hours after that is' 25% then 24 hours of that as twelve and a half percent every day it cuts down the amount by half essentially is is what a halflife is so by my headset isne for second so by having en chlomapine being a shorter half life. Trt Clinics talk about how they prefer that because what they can do is you could take en chlomafine and your estrogen drops down right? You get the benefits of low etrogen your total test will go up your testosterone and gets more effective. You get more results then. When the half -life starts to deteriorate your estrogen goes back up. So then you get the benefits of the estrogen and then you take your en chlomopine and it goes back down. You get the benefits of no estrogen then then benefits of estrogen. So. That's why they prefer it because you can get the benefits of both worlds essentially essentially ah by taking chlomafine where with chloid. Your half-life. You're essentially shutting down your estrogen for like four or five days straight so it's harder to get like that up and down cycle of estrogen and no estrogen. So. That's why these trt clinics are saying like for like a pct or some sort of cycling off or you know anything that you need an an estrogen antagonist. That's why they prefer chlomafine over kolobi I also want to say that ch cloid can be kind of hard on the liver and kidneys I want to say but I couldn't really find much about and chlomafine in that aspect. So we'll see what the actual plan is there.

47:28.85

Paul

So potentially looking at like like mid to late October potentially for starting my pct because we're going. We're going down fifty megs per week. So we're slowly tapering down from four hundred down to one fifty so that's going to take. You know, whatever it was if we're going down six seven ten seven weeks to get down to that. Ah, so we're going to taper down to that I think do a pct from there probably a two week pct based off how long's taken the taper down everything. And then once everything's back up and running naturally then we'll probably get blood work done see where that's at see where things's at and then plan the off season from there so probably like probably like late october is when we'll probably actually touch the pct and then probably like two weeks after that I'll find out what the plan is maybe three weeks ah so we'll see how that goes but.

48:15.54

christophknoll

Yeah.

48:22.15

Paul

Um I am ready for prep again in a way. It's like like you were mentioning earlier. It's like we love it and like you talk to any bodybuilder in prep they'll say the shit sucks. But then you, you'll talk to them after a show and you're like I loved it. I didn't realize how much I loved it until I didn't have it anymore and it's like it. It really is super super predicting. Ah. Not really even like the the addicting and thing is like the results. It's like the the goal you know, like to me it's it's like it's almost like the deadline is addicting. You know, keeping your eye on the prize at all times like I was super motivated and disciplined. Because I had this deadline when you don't have a deadline like right now. It's very difficult for me to stay disciplined because there's no deadline There's no goal for something. That's just all right. We're just gonna taper down. We're just gonna stick to this plan like that's that's hard for me to stay disciplined because I don't have like okay. October Tenth is when I need to come and dialed in or whatever it is like this is like this is what I'm building up to is this particular day and every day we're going to evaluate make sure that we're getting closer and closer to that day. But then now it's like there's no day. There's there's even like I can even tell what week we're even petition looking at for making a change. You know what? I mean. So.

49:27.91

christophknoll

And yeah.

49:31.47

Paul

It's more difficult there but I was talking my coach about it yesterday and how like um, how much I miss prep and how much I loved it and I was like man the Monday after the show I missed it like almost like it was like I missed it almost immediately and he he was talking about how he's been in the oss season for about 2 years now putting on size and he's like. I was like man I can even imagine 2 years off like I can even imagine how much I'd miss it at that point considering I'm only a been out or I haven't even competed for like seven weeks now and yet I still miss it. Um, as much as I do seven weeks out let alone

49:59.62

christophknoll

Yeah.

50:07.65

Paul

2 years you know like that's a fucking long-ass time. Ah, but we should be able to compete year after year now every single year. So I'm looking forward to that at least.

50:14.36

christophknoll

And I was going to say I mean it took two and a half years for you to to even hit the stage too. So it's like that that feeling of you finally made it and then it's like and now we're back to you know time off.

50:28.83

Paul

Yeah, yeah, we did talk about that when coach was like yeah we're gonna um, you know compete each year no more 3 year offseasons like this is your you where you need to be to start competing every year and um, what's wild is that like I didn't realize this but.

50:33.65

christophknoll

Yeah.

50:46.13

Paul

When you're going through the prep the other the other addicting thing is you're also improving your body for after your show too right? So like even though like so like if I compared myself because right now I'm approaching 200 again if I compare myself at the way I am now versus the way I was before my shows at the same weight. Like the look that I had at the same weight I'm in much better conditioning now than I was then and it's you're getting rid of all the stubborn fat. You know you're a lot of the size I'm putting on right now is a lot of its muscle some of it's some of it's fat for sure like a lot of it's sitting in my belly but like there's.

51:10.86

christophknoll

Ah.

51:22.67

Paul

You know my fat distribution is much more even now than it was I wasn't it's not so lobsided anymore. So that's also exciting too is that I get to look forward to each show that I hit I'll be more conditioned year-round afterwards you know so like that's exciting. So the next show I hit you know I'll probably have potentially like a 6 packck year round and then after that I'll be like pretty condition year-round and then after that it's like I'm not too far off from like saying let's do prep anytime they like like you know what? I mean it's just kind of keep improving and improve improving. Ah so it's just it's it's exciting I'm looking forward to it but it is. It is very addicting. Ah, to go through prep and all of that it is I miss it. Yeah be you Olympia conditioned just dice of the gills. But yeah.

52:00.65

christophknoll

And eventually eventually you'll be Olympia ready year-round.

52:09.86

christophknoll

Body literally craving just a drop of water.

52:17.44

Paul

I mean there's dudes like cbum talked about how like he was on diuretics four weeks out from the olympia one year I'm like that's fucking crazy like I don't even understand the point of that I'm like that's so far out that's like i't that's like eating a meal and being like yeah this is my pureicout for three days from now.

52:28.78

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

52:36.25

Paul

It's like what the fuck are you talking about. But.

52:38.39

christophknoll

Well so on that note too. You had a interesting thing that you texted me earlier this week about sebum um, since we're talking about the olympia.

52:44.99

Paul

Yeah, so it was just a conversation my coach and I were having about classic and and open and all of that and the people that are in it and stuff and he mentioned that he thinks it's a good chance that cbum might retire after this year's Olympia. Which I would not be surprised. Ah he I mean here's my thing I think if he doesn't retire this year I would put my money on next year because yes, he looks the best he's ever looked. But also you know he just got married They're probably talking about kids soon or. Engage are they are they married yet I don't even know.

53:25.13

christophknoll

I don't remember um I know that I'll just check real quick I know they were engaged a while back.

53:29.72

Paul

Ah, yeah, they've been engaged for a while I can't remember if they got married or not probably not. But um, he's at the point where he he's got. He's got like raw nutrition and all of that he's got everything in that. Ballpark. He's got business. He's got social media all of that to focus on. There's a lot going on I think that could potentially pull him away from the Olympia. Ah but again, he might not It's it's hard to say but it's it's possible that this year he will. I mean sebum to me seems like someone who would ah retire after a win. He wouldn't push it until a loss he would push it.

54:10.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

54:14.00

Paul

Until he's like okay I think I'm the best that could possibly be like even last year it's like he can he's he's having trouble I'm pretty sure hitting the weight cap like that's his problem right now is that he has to like really like get diled into like just barely make the weight cap and that's a problem. So I think. That like he'd have to like just kind of maintain essentially is is where he's at now for each olympia and just maybe a little bit of size but then like a little better conditioning a little less water just so you can hit the weight cap and like that's a lot of stress like hitting that weight cap is a lot of stress. Ah so I think. And like he also had that William Stevenson podcast episode or whatever it is that he was on. He talked about like different anabolics. He wouldn't touch and stuff because it's not worth the health risk and whatever and like you wouldn't touch trend for instance because it's just too much of a health risk and it's like okay if he's not willing to touch trend for instance, which. Which trying you can take in a healthy manner. It's just how you how you take it is what matters. Yes, it is. It is very toxic to the body especially compared to other anabolics. But it's not going to take years off your life if you're smart with it. So for him to be like I'm not going to touch the shrug because it's it's too toxic.

55:08.86

christophknoll

Yeah.

55:25.91

Paul

It kind of puts you in like okay maybe he's like very, he's much more health conscious than a lot of these other bodybuilders so he's probably going to call it earlier than other bodybuilders would um is kind of what my my mind is thinking when I heard something like that. So. I would not be surprised if he was like you know what? I think I brought the best package it could possibly bring I don't think there's anymore we could do now I've won five olympias I think this year be 5 if he wins. Ah you know I think I'm at.

55:51.71

christophknoll

Yeah, he's the 4 time I know.

55:56.46

Paul

Yeah, so five this year that's a whole hand of rings. Potentially if you had if it's rings. It's 5 is one hand. Um I think you do you like I think that that's something that he would do I would not be surprised if he was like you know what for me to really like I can't really bring anything better and. I'm pushing all this through my body and all these other guys are coming up and I think he's just he might be like it's just my time to step down like it's my time I crushed it to the best of that I could got the 5 wins I'm very satisfied with that my career and like he's got like twelve thirteen million fucking instagram followers. He's got his businesses to focus on his family coming up.

56:32.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:34.82

Paul

There's a lot more going on and like the other thing too is that just because he's done Potentially not obviously he isn't yet, but just because he could be done the olympia done competing doesn't mean he's not done training and he's not done the lifestyle you you still live the lifestyle. You know you're like I'll always train. Like bodybuilderers always train. It's part of who we are you know I'll always eat that same way I always have like kind of like a meal plan like it might be more relaxed once I'm once one day I'm done bodybuiling same with Seabum but it's kind of part of you So It's not like you will stop posting Social media. It's not like you just won't stop. Working on his physique like you'll always want to be like and have a very impressive physique and still young so you still have an insane physique is just competing specifically is probably where he's gonna call it a day. Oh dude.

57:22.77

christophknoll

And he'll even still do guest posing too hundred percent big money right? there.

57:32.10

Paul

To get fucking c bumed guest pose because I don't think he does any guest posting right now. So in the future bro fuck man some of these like fucking b tier olympia competitors like getting like twentieth are doing guest posing and they're getting paid like 10 grand to do testpo guest posing. So I mean to get cbum to guest pose.

57:33.16

christophknoll

Now. Yeah.

57:44.29

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:51.65

Paul

Are you shitting me? That's like fucking 50 grand yeah, like just to do 1 guest pose and he'll come in like he'll just show up, get a quick tan pose for 2 minutes and then bounce like you know what? I mean it's wild I mean I think like I know.

57:52.10

christophknoll

That's like my Ill bit I was going to say it's gonna be like my year's salary.

58:00.69

christophknoll

Yeah.

58:10.90

Paul

I think like Logan's like 15 grand for something like that I want to say like hunters like 20 is what I heard onto labrada like it's fucking crazy like these the amount of money that these guys make and then like.

58:18.90

christophknoll

And Sebum is you know, considered the most aesthetic men of man of like all time. So like that premium is going to be absurd.

58:27.37

Paul

Oh yeah, he he's seaba you can't if they get Arnold the like Arnold in his prime getting Arnold and his prime to guest post somewhere like that's what it'd be like.

58:36.26

christophknoll

Which is crazy because back then back then Arnold's guest posing was him going to places trying to raise you know attention for bodybuilding so he was doing it more or less for free. Yeah.

58:49.19

Paul

Yeah, yeah, is to get the sport bigger but the sport is where it is now I mean partially because of him. But oh actually I meant to mention that so there's this videos watching recently about um.

58:54.89

christophknoll

Because yeah.

59:05.58

Paul

Was it was it Franco Fuck who was it Um, it was a video no shit.

59:19.93

Paul

Sergio Leva so okay so I was watching this video is a motivational video talking about surgio oliva and how he was like the most underrated bodybuilder back in the day and all of that and somebody said in the comments they said there is an interview that's hard to find where arnold said. That Sergio Oliva had the best physique of all time or something and people were talking about in the comments they were like oh I was raised. You know I was born in the 60 s and grew up in the 70 s and all of that and they said I went to a bodybuilding show that had Sergio Oliva and they said. You have to you'd have to see him in person to truly believe what physi he had because photos don't do him justice. But apparently Sergio Oliva had like the best physique full time. He's the one who kind of like invented not the scorpion pose but kind of like this like praying Mantis kind of thing up up high and like he's the only one who can do that because it's his.

01:00:04.34

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:00:16.80

Paul

That's what his physique calls for and people are arguing in the comments like if it wasn't for Arnold Sergio would have gone like if it wasn't for arnold being influential Sergio would I've gone down as one of the best physiques of all time. Um, that's what people were arguing but Sergio was before kind of before Arnold's time so

01:00:25.39

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

01:00:35.44

Paul

Um, and photos and videos and all of that weren't where they are today. So it's hard to say exactly but just just a kind of food for thought there ah surgery leave a junior I think looks crazy. He just he hasn't really brightest career to the top yet and I think he just because of his focus I think it's just his focus hasn't been there. Hard to say but I think Sergulliva could have had a really good physique if if you really wanted to and really compete at the top level top top top level I called that a few years ago I was like man Sir Ju Oliva is gonna be fucking crazy and you just never really went anywhere with it in the Olympia level. Um, but yeah, so um.

01:01:08.47

christophknoll

Ah.

01:01:14.37

Paul

To kind of loop it back I think classic physique this year I think top 3 I'm thinking Ramon Ors Cbom maybe Loan Franklin is top 3 1 of those I'd see bum for sure first. Um I think if I could have my top 3 of anybody I think I'd go cbom Logan. Ers then Ramon, but that should be because of my own personal preference. But I think top 3 realistically price see bum maybe Logan like it's like either Logan or ers and then Ramon probably second is probably what's gonna end up happening. But.

01:01:46.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:01:51.20

Paul

I just wish Ramon's arms and forearms were a bit smaller I mean that's that's something that it just really pulls away from his physique for me. He's very like Popeye you know so we'll see.

01:01:58.43

christophknoll

Yeah, guys. Well there is a little olympia preview for you were about a month away so get hyped. Oh yeah.

01:02:08.71

Paul

Yeah, it's exciting exciting stuff all right? We'll see you guys later. Thanks for listening see yep.

01:02:15.76

christophknoll

Peace everybody.


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