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HGH #57 - Derek Lunsford Controversy & Paul's PCT


00:00.00

christophknoll

This is how you remind me of what I really am.

00:02.90

Paul

What I really? yeah, we were before we recorded today we were singing nicko back for some reason I know yeah, it just hit it just hit right mean here. We are now singing it so but welcome welcome.

00:12.32

christophknoll

Um, it's It's a must. Ah.

00:18.50

christophknoll

Yeah.

00:21.66

Paul

To another episode. Did you see the um, did you see the whole thing with ah with um, why might ah Derek Lunsford's ah, intent Synthol usage. So if you look up his front double at the Olympia. Yeah.

00:31.32

christophknoll

No I didn't oh wait wait wait. It's in his in his lap right his lap. Yeah, okay, it's like a little ball.

00:40.94

Paul

Yeah, um, so yeah, a lot of controversial topics around that right now a lot of people talking about it. Um, at first I did degoynthol I thought it was maybe some sort of like inflamed lymph nodes or something um, something like that. Then I the more I was reading. People's thoughts on it and watching videos and stuff. Ah the more I was like you know what? I probably really actually in is synthalinthal is very heavily used among Olympia competitors Hai Jupin is actually one of them. Um, he. Use a lot of it in his dealts. Um, so I don't know if he use it or not I mean as far as like Heidi Shuin's usage I think it's just been speculation. Let me look up where that started.

01:31.94

christophknoll

Well so so so my thing with the sinthol conversation is like I feel like it is something that you can utilize in the right perspective. But if you over abuse it. Like for example, um, we've mentioned him in the past but that Russian the rushing Hindu just as a dorky looking biceps like that's obviously an over usage. Um, so I feel like if you're using it to you know, build out a little area I could see that like you know.

01:53.51

Paul

Um.

02:05.20

christophknoll

Small amounts not enough to make the muscle actually dependent on this on this and but like just some kind of supplementation towards a bigger product but you know if it's obvious like I mean the the ones for balls and his lats like I feel like that's a little bit too much.

02:17.71

Paul

Yeah, yeah, so the the reason I didn't think it was synthal for Derek at first was because ah, it's such a weird spot like he doesn't really gain anything from putting synthal there you know like he here he has a thickness in his back. He has the width. What does he gain from putting exercise in his lats from his front doubt side like that's like underneath his lats. Essentially it's just a weird place to put it. Um, so that's why I didn't really believe it at first because I'm like where does he? What does he really gain from having synthe here like having this like enhanced you know feature.

02:41.61

christophknoll

But yeah.

02:54.50

Paul

Ah, but people just keep saying that it's sit though you know a lot olympic competitors use it it' it's not you know, anything new which is true. It's not anything new. Heidi Chuupin has been accused of it multiple times for using in his Mediio Delta his side belts. Um. Because there's ah, there's been photos over the years where his doubts look very sharp and angled in a weird way which only sent thought would give that look and my thing is umynth all so like obviously with steroid use.

03:18.65

christophknoll

The.

03:29.62

Paul

You get an unnatural look right? You get this enhanced unnatural look so the way that natural competitors and people who stick by be natural look at Steroid Users is kind of the way that I look at synthol users where it's like at least with steroids like you have to put in even more effort because you're using them. You have to take more everything into account what you're eating how you're training. Everything's taken into account to actually maximize the effects and at the same time you know you're going to be dealing with side effects like there's a give and take there with synthal. There's literally no effort. You literally inject it and just let it sit. That's it. That's all you do you don't have to do anything different. And at the same time you get super super round muscle bellies that don't look natural and you didn't do anything for them. So like that's why I don't have much respect for anybody who uses synthol if there are instances where like you said you have. And extremely weak area that just looks all fucked up and use a little bit of sin thought and it just makes it just did you all just kind of brings it together. That's a little more Understandable. You know peoples hair muscles stuff like that where they yeah.

04:34.97

christophknoll

Well so that was what what I was gonna say I was gonna say think of Tom Platz as Olympia where he went in he tore the bicep two weeks prior to the olympia. Obviously I don't think since this was the the 80 s or or early ninety s so I really don't think cinthal was as you know commonly known as it is now. Um. But that would be 1 example where I see an actual decent usage of it because I mean there is the whole it know how much you know about that particular olympia but there was the whole controversy over how it got discovered because Tom Platz was very very secretive about it and he told one person do you know who that one person was no, he told Arnold and Arnold told the judges and so then heat and then they basically were like plat's can you come forward. Can you show us your left ah front bicep and he collects is like.

05:15.40

Paul

Um, Michael Hearn ah okay

05:29.97

Paul

The end is bullshit.

05:30.45

christophknoll

Bro come on so in that situation I I can see like and not like not using it like afterwards but just using it for that one performance to give yourself the look and then go into recovery and you know get your muscle back to where it was.

05:43.58

Paul

Yeah I mean it's like I know has um, Hassa Mustafa I think tors tri a step right before the other np of this year he had up showing up and he looked fine. Didn't andt look too bad. He didn't place that high. He's never really placed that high. Um, but I mean I can so like I can understand that. Aspect where it's like not even necessarily just prepping for a show. It's just like some people I know just have like 1 bad muscle like let's say like or if you're talking about like ah like a glue or something like that like you have like 1 fucked up muscle the other side's fine like if you use. Ah, tabt is inthal and it just brings it together just makes it look normal and then I can understand that. But then it's when you use it and it just looks fucking weird like hadies' um, if you look it up supposedly his He's gotten a few accusations of hadie troopin or hadi you kind of accusations of Synthol use 1 of his. Previous managers prior to the 2022 Olympia said that he used it in his deals and there are plenty of photos out there that would point evidence towards the fact that he does um his his cellsves look very angled very unnatural, very weird looking. Um, there's what there's more he does like a relaxed pose.

07:02.34

Paul

Um I don't know when their photo was taken. There's an article about it. But um.

07:03.57

christophknoll

Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. It's it's like he's got like I would almost say like a like a bone jutting out of it of his shoulders. That's how sharp it is. Yeah.

07:11.16

Paul

Yeah, yeah, and the other side's rounded the other side doesn't look like that. So like that's what's that's that's where I find a problem withynthal is you'll fuck up your system you mess up your muscles and it just looks weird and then you don't have to put any effort in in order to get to that point. Ah, so. Derek's it's like yes he could have used that sinthal but really at the end of the day it wasn't in an area that was going to win him the olyia. Oh excuse me a lot of people. Um I myself included i't even noticed it till after the olympia like it was like Monday or Tuesday after and I got sent in the photo of the um people pointing it out and I was like wow I didn't notice that until I see it now but now I can't unsee. It.

07:58.51

christophknoll

Well so here's the thing did we look at it from the video or was it just a picture because if I don't notice it in the in the video then I'm willing to claim doctored on it.

08:11.87

Paul

Um, um, it's not it's not doctored it's not photoshopped or anything like that. It's been posted many even even on Derek's ah Derek's Instagram you can see it his olympia post where he won you could see the round. Bumps um here I'll send it to you? Okay, yeah, so you can see it on even on his Instagram so it's not photoshopped like to like make him look bad. Ah he does have a muscle there if you look at like he did a I transformation post or someone did.

08:32.37

christophknoll

Oh I got it? Yeah I got it.

08:50.29

Paul

Um, from like 2015 to now or something like that and you can see that there actually he does actually have like a ah I guess like separate muscle there I don't really know what to call it like I wouldn to say like a strided muscle but like. And the previous post or like the previous photo I mean you could see an extra like so vertical muscle. That's right where that ball is so he just injected and thought into that one little muscle head. Not even sure what to call it, but it might have been one of his terrace maybe is my guess. But yeah, so he just injected that. So I mean. Like I said it it didn't win him the over the Olympia. So I'm not really like that upset about it. Um, even like there is there is a photo where he has like 1 arm raised like this and you could really fucking see it in that when he posted after the olympia.

09:30.86

christophknoll

True.

09:42.14

christophknoll

Yeah, and I mean that's that's like I mean you make him a great point there like it's not like he's supplementing his arms to be enormous like and chiseled and everything it's in like a very weird spot.

09:43.19

Paul

But yeah, if you.

09:51.77

Paul

Yeah.

09:57.44

christophknoll

It's obviously for some function or just to finish rounding out a look like not when his arms are raised but maybe like when he's doing like his front lat spread and his arms are kind of covering that area and it's just giving him a little bit more depth like maybe um.

10:11.32

Paul

I had.

10:15.34

christophknoll

But yeah, like you said it it didn't win him the olympia. So it's not something that I think we really need to care too too much about you know, like if it was like for example, hotty shoulders like let's say in the judging book the hotughty shoulders 1

10:21.20

Paul

The app.

10:33.62

christophknoll

Like that was the part that won and then we see these pictures that would be a different story but like you said such an obscure little spot like I'm not too worried.

10:39.75

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, it's it's fine I mean I'm not really that upset about it and I'm not surprised either something that is kind of funny to me is that um top 2 of the olympia were both honey rambod clients same with classic olympia which is funny.

10:55.16

christophknoll

E.

10:59.15

Paul

Um, not men's physique I don't think Ryan works with Haughney. But um, the top 2 at the top men's ah open and then also Chris Palmstead I'll work with Haney um, also I don't know if I don't think you.

11:13.64

christophknoll

He's the man.

11:17.38

Paul

So I didn't post about it. Ah, but um, Julaware Board shorts so team tula fitness they just came out with a new board short. Let me send it to you.

11:29.46

christophknoll

Five Inch insem

11:33.83

Paul

Fucking I I wait I hope I Hope there's a version of it with it. Um, let me see you, youll be this is cool I got to buy these with I a message it to you and then we'll talk about it.

11:52.22

christophknoll

Bet.

11:52.70

Paul

Obviously fucking max sucks I Hate coffee pasting on Mac come on there. We go all boom.

12:10.81

Paul

Read the title of that.

12:11.10

christophknoll

Alright.

12:18.40

christophknoll

Unchained preorder.

12:19.75

Paul

Yeah, so team I on has a ah official board short with shulaware but just got a cool prop. Yeah probably I would think I I don't think I'll have to but um.

12:24.61

christophknoll

Ah, which means you now have to wear it.

12:36.10

Paul

It's pretty sick that they came out with that and I actually like the design too I actually like it which is good.

12:42.31

christophknoll

Yeah I mean they look comfortable enough to just wear out in general I mean I know that's a whole point of men's physique like your what you look like is what you would look like on the beach. Um, but those actually look like decent enough that you'd like I don't know I always.

12:49.96

Paul

Um, yeah.

12:59.46

christophknoll

Stay away from super baggy board shorts. But that's why I mean you and I both love high end seem kind of tight fitting tight fitting shorts. So I could definitely wear those around town.

13:05.93

Paul

Yeah, like yeah I think they cool. There's there's a bunch that they got that are pretty dope. But maybe those would be my next my next pair or something we'll see.

13:19.70

christophknoll

Hell yeah I Just can't I Just can't pay that price tag.

13:21.91

Paul

Yeah, it's for I mean for what it is I mean it is what it is it. It is expensive but you just got to have them. You know I mean and there's there's again, men's Physique and ivb is starting to crack down on the way Boardworth fit. So.

13:30.47

christophknoll

Yeah.

13:40.62

Paul

Got to put more emphasis on it. The Npc board shorts that they use like as example, board shorts are too baggy so they got they've got to start changing stuff around and.

13:50.72

christophknoll

Now do do class of esi can open you you you bring your own speedo thon thing. You don't go ah high I need a size 10

13:57.86

Paul

Yeah, yeah, they I don't even know where like yeah know you don't There's nothing like that. But you could buy classic Physique shorts from um, truelaware as well. They make classic Physique shorts.

14:06.96

christophknoll

Um, menzol.

14:11.24

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, you can get them. You can get them from Amazon too.

14:13.41

Paul

Um, yeah I mean it's it all just depends on where you want to get them from but ah the men's basically yeah, they have bodybuilding trunks.

14:23.50

christophknoll

Men's open. You're just you're buying in the women's lingerie section.

14:30.57

Paul

Like so like Julaware has something for everybody you know like all the divisions for men's they'll have something for you. Um, a lot of women's stuff is actually um, a lot of them get custom made shit ah, where like they get it rhndstone and bedazzled and shit like in a way that they want it to be done.

14:47.15

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

14:49.10

Paul

Ah, you could buy woman stuff from ah chiware as Well. I believe I could be wrong. Yeah, maybe not actually I mean there is like swimwere I guess you could buy women's. Socks from them I get I don't know they don't really have anything posing wise but there are plenty of ah.

15:13.31

christophknoll

What what warned you? the olympia I was wearing a new pair of socks.

15:19.90

Paul

Trueleware socks that gave me extra gains plus 2 gains.

15:23.66

christophknoll

You got you guys couldn't even tell but their skin color like they're they same as my skin color I made my calves look bigger. They're knee Highgh socks. Ah, there's ah, there's there's a pillow stuffed in there.

15:28.67

Paul

They a yeah their thigh highs with bigger calves their skin tight. Oh god I eat too much. There is something I saw. Recently what was it? Well there a comedian that was talking about having sex with a female bodybuilder and he said he had that Hugh do you tell was a woman at first he was like I had to check her. Go check her Instagram for a second to make sure she she is a woman and he's like she was indeed originally a woman and he goes he goes.

15:56.49

christophknoll

Ah, be.

16:03.59

christophknoll

Um, originally up moment. Um.

16:04.40

Paul

When I was having sex with her. He's like we're about like 30 seconds in and she thought I was trying to choke her like it's part of sex. But really I was just feeling for her Adam's Apple and I was like damn dude and he's like because you know 30 seconds in you could pull out and still be still be straight. You know that ain't gay yet.

16:12.82

christophknoll

This.

16:20.63

Paul

Like but a minute in you're gay as hell bro. It was funny. That's cracking up that is there some it's it sounds like it. Yeah, it could be um, but yeah he is. It was funny and there are some female body bones out there that are more masculine and men out there.

16:25.10

christophknoll

Right? That sound that sounds like something Theo von would say.

16:39.71

christophknoll

Complete side tangent. But if you haven't seen Shane Gillis's new special. Go fucking watch it. It's so good. It's called like blue blue dog or something like that. But unbelievable.

16:40.50

Paul

So what.

16:43.91

Paul

How so good. Jane Gillis is so good. He's he is top notch s tr comedian. He's so good. It's the way he says shit like it's it's not It's what he says but it's also the way he says it. And his impersonations like when he's talking about how Biden Trump can't get in Biden's head and when he yeah, he's like Biden's not even in there did and he like turn he's like he's like talking shit to him when Biden he like turns and says Biden's what like what and it's like the way he said it was like so perfect.

17:06.70

christophknoll

Because and Biden's not even in there.

17:21.51

Paul

I start cracking off I like how do you just Nail Biden's what I didn't even know a thing until he did it his original special too is really really good. He was talking about Trump's ah ah way to debate and he's just like he's like Rand Paul is gay. They're like oh.

17:21.59

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, um.

17:40.82

Paul

Ah, you could just like do that I don't just like do that is this like you're thing now like you just like do that I was cracking up at that. It's the way he says it. It's like it's like your thing you guys like do that now. Oh yeah, yeah, his comedic timing is absurd and the his funniest bet on Joe Rogan

17:47.18

christophknoll

Yeah, he's he's got great timing. That's really what it comes down to yeah.

17:59.48

Paul

Went so viral I was so happy to listen to it when it was a new episode so it was a brand new episode and Joe Rokin said that he liked he was talking about how he likes some mascu some some like muscular women a little bit and then he was saying that he doesn't mind if they're you know. They have hair or not. He's like it's you know they could wear wa or whatever and then he also said if she has the little armpit hair. It's fine. It's no big deal and he goes dude like Bald like armpit hair muscular you're getting close dude and he start Joe work is like crying laughing.

18:33.81

christophknoll

And.

18:34.95

Paul

And I was like I risk I listened to that originally on the episode and I was cracking up and they went viral because he's like dude you get real close it like it went on it went on like Youtube shorts and shit like it went everywhere. It was so good. He's so he's still fucking on it. It's so good. Um.

18:42.35

christophknoll

Um.

18:47.83

christophknoll

That's funny.

18:53.39

Paul

Yeah, great comedian great comedian. Um, but yeah, so with that being said, um, something that started last weekend which I could have theoretically talked about last week and but last week it was the olympia is my new pct plan.

18:55.72

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

19:02.33

christophknoll

no no no paul you need to prioritize your Pcd over the results of the olympia god have your priorities that man.

19:08.60

Paul

Go wrong whether or not cbum One is is prioritized that it's everything. It's all about Sebum Everything is seebum. It's like that like Earth that meme with the astronauts in the earth. It's like.

19:14.39

christophknoll

See bum when Paul New P C T which is the headline.

19:27.73

Paul

It's all cbum. It always was the that shit. It's always cbum. Um, but yeah, so new pct started on Monday six now so it should change up after today a little bit.

19:32.70

christophknoll

Ah.

19:40.70

christophknoll

It looked like a pretty hefty pct cycle. You posted it and it was like 6 different compounds.

19:44.29

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it looks like it. It's really not because I'm not really using much of anything like it's not a lot of each thing. So um, which I'll go over so be so after date so days 1 through 6 my hcg and hmg will most likely change we will see. Um.

19:51.42

christophknoll

Yeah.

20:03.45

Paul

But overall right now I'm taking essentially four things no longer aroma sin I'm not taking aroma sin anymore. So it was five that I posted aroma sta and I've been taken for a long time. It just helps with the estrogen suppression I don't I don't need to take that anymore. So that's out now. But. Um, I'm taking Hcg Hmg chloid and um reloxoene so each thing has its own usage hcg and chlomet are kind of in my system to get my and androninous ah hormone production back in order essentially so I'm off testosterone entirely. Ah, so I'm taking hcg and klomets a klomet is essentially like um, let make sure I say the right wording. Um, so cloid is used for infertility in women. Um, so essentially what it does. For my understanding is that essentially shuts down your estrogen in a way it lowers your estrogen. So I see each. Yeah there's all these side effects and whatnot. But that's webmd for you. Um.

21:14.79

christophknoll

Yeah Webmd will tell you that the stick you picked up outside is going to give you skin cancer. Yeah.

21:21.29

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you, you're just dying. You're dead. Ah so it's it's all about ovulation. Ah, as far as Chlomafine which is the official name then common brand names is ch cloid or saraphie so it depends on what you call it I call it chloid um. But really the actual name is and is is chlomafine. Ah, so essentially it helps women's bodies by ah, producing an egg like it helps you produce eggs the way it works for men in bodybu is essentially it's ah it it lowers your estrogen. So that way you know you're you're getting the benefits of lack of estrogen in certain aspects and then with the half-life of it. It's a longer half -life so eventually your estrogen goes back up and you get the benefits of higher estrogen and then you take it again and it goes back down goes back up goes back down goes back up. We were going to take in chlomafine that has a shorter half-life and which most clinics actually prefer now at this point where so when you lower your estrogen essentially your testosterone' is going to kind of bounce back in the opposite direction. So and chlomopine right now is is a supplement that a lot of like natural guys take ah and they say oh it doubles. My. My testosterone stuff like that. But really, it just kind of shuts down your estrogen which then increases your testosterone. Ah, it doesn't directly increase it really what it does is is it it alters your fsh and lh levels so that you essentially get ah from my understanding you get more free testosterone. So.

22:56.22

Paul

We we're going to use Chlomafine because it's a shorter halflife so you get essentially the benefits of lower estrogen and higher estrogen at the same time because you get the lower aspect and then sooner it goes back up and then you get the benefits there and then sooner goes back down so it goes up and down faster which a lot of Pct clinics prefer.

23:08.50

christophknoll

Ah.

23:15.80

Paul

So we're were going to use that I never ended up getting it so we just I think I just is either out of stock and I never ordered it because it was without a stock or I never got it and I ordered it I had ch cloid yeah I'm talking about Chlomafine and ch clomapine was the original plan. Yeah, that's mine. Yeah I should have clarifyed that so and chlomapine was the original plan.

23:22.59

christophknoll

I thought I saw in the picture that you had clomed oh Erica.

23:34.64

Paul

Um, and I never got that in the mail I don't know if it was because it was out of stock when I went to order it or if I ordered it and then I went out a stock I'm not sure what happened but long story short I never got it. Um, so we swapped a clo me which already had I've had chlomet for a long time I just have had it on hand for for a while. So started using that. Ah, then we're using re relaxxoeneloxoe is going to help with really ultimately just like my gyno because it's really my only side effect is with my estrogen production. It's just gyno I don't really get much else I don't really get much acne. You know obviously hair loss is just genetic so anything I take that has some sort of Dt in it. There a d she derivative I mean um, is gonna affect my hair loss but outside that my estrogen wise that's really the only side effect they get is Guyno so relaxoine is gonna help with that. Ah, at least for my coach. He says that it's what he's found has helped the best for. For overall athletes in general in the past I've taken cabra goaling to help fight that because my proacting levels were high so we're just gonna try like redloxoinene for now to see if that can help it because cabra goaling is a lot harsher on the body than than relockoinene is and and caber as well. Is something that you shouldn't take for a long period of time because it's harsh on the body. There are other alternatives out there. Ah for prolactant levels to take that are more on the you know not nearly as harsh but not nearly as effective side so to cycle off caber.

25:09.24

Paul

At some point like essentially if I wanted to just cycle off ca or give my body a rest from it I could cycle off four or six weeks or whatever take a lighter supplement that achieves something similar and then get back on. Clomen are not clomen. Sorry caber. But um. I pulled out cabra after my show in August gota became kind of an issue ah and then now that we're doing pct it's not as bad of an issue. It wasn't really ever super super bad in the first place it just was kind of inflamed a little bit. Um, it was a little noticeable if you looked for it. Um, and it was like a bruise you know. It's sore so excuse me I fucking hate yawning whenever we do this always Yll when we recording. No, it's not even just that is every time we record I just yawn I don't know why? Um, so that was.

25:51.40

christophknoll

Gotta have your coffee man.

26:05.13

Paul

Something we pulled out so I'm on reloxofi now to help with the gyo issues that I have again, it's not too bad. It's just sore really at the end of the day a little puffy but that's about it. Cabri did basically make it go away. It's almost like I never had go in the first place which is awesome. Um I loved to prep because I was losing a ton of fat. My vascularity was becoming more prominent I was making daily changes and at the same time. My gyno was also nonexistent like it literally was it like no matter how hard I flexed no matter what way I I I posed there was no assign I ever had Guyno. So we know that kabrah at least works for works for me when it's a prolactin issue.

26:36.68

christophknoll

Wow.

26:43.30

Paul

And it it affects basically immediately when I start taking caver. So um, so we know at least that's a solution for the future. Especially when we get onto a a push phase hopefully around Christmas time we'll do that. Um, or sooner is what I'm hoping to so we'll. When we get into a push phase and start taking potentially more testosterone and anything else along with it cable I'll probably just put cable right back in just because it's just it worked for me. So with that being said, we also have hcg and hmg so hm b is entirely for future fertility.

27:11.20

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

27:21.28

Paul

In men not at least for me, not not really actually used for fertility in men but hmg is going to increase your fertility like a motherfucker your fsh and Lh levels gonna go right back to normal or even higher really and your sperm cow's gonna jump through the roof so that's rather the reason we're taking hmg and then ah. We're also taking hcg which is human corionic. Ah gonanotropin. Um, essentially what hcg is going to do like I said is help with producing my androginous hormones again. So we're taking all of that which sounds like a lot. So let me break it down. So basically. I'm taking 16 to 1700 I use of ah of Hcg every three days which is like about five thousand a week they're a little just just about 5000 every so like in these six days I'll be hitting 5000 which is the goal um because it's day one day four and then day 6 or whatever it was it was it was Sunday Wednesday and then today is essentially like the days that I pin that um so get the 5000 of that. And then I'm taking 25 I use every three days of hmg which I'll go through bottle in the same amount of time. So those 2 little tiny bottles that you saw in that photo little tiny vials was hg g and hmg all this you lie online amino asylum is where you get certain things.

28:47.21

christophknoll

Oh.

28:55.51

Paul

And I say it because it's for research purposes. Um, these are not human consumption I do not take any of this. This is all just something that I'm saying is being pinned.

28:56.17

christophknoll

Um, who don't plug on the spot like that bro. We're both researchers.

29:11.16

christophknoll

You can You can you can admit that ah you if you take it not saying you do, but you're allowed to say that you are you are just for research purposes.

29:20.34

Paul

Yes, Okay, that's fair. Yeah, they say they say you're supposed to ah the thing with like sarms stuff like that you buy online is that you're supposed to say you're using it for research on other animals is the gray area. But let's say for research on myself.

29:32.67

christophknoll

Yeah, I'm point I'm I'm putting this shit in my cat. Ah.

29:37.10

Paul

Yeah, straighten my dog's ash you straight into ash their tail is getting fucking huge ah so with the hcgh mg. It's tiny pins insulin syringe using it my doubts so it's not a big deal. Don't even really feel it too much and we also use backwater instead of something like ah mct oil or something like that. So. It's super easy to pin like because with the oils that are that supplements are suspended and it's harder to push through it in until and pin because this ins Instantin Pin is so fucking tiny um.

30:10.48

christophknoll

A.

30:13.35

Paul

It's like a trying to squeeze maple syrup through like through like a pen. You know it's like fucking. Ah, it'd be a bitch because it's it's so thick. So with the ah insululate and syringe. That's so tiny using backwater b a c water. Um, it's so much easier to to to. Inject it. It just goes right in and in a split second because it's so thin backwater so thin. So. It's nice and then we take um the aromain the reloxafate and the chlomate all oral so they're the reloxxihe and the aroma sin were both liquids. You can get pill versions of both. Happen to have liquids so essentially do half a milliter of a romuston 2 milliliters of relaxafene I just pour that in glass water with this Ah basically this like ah plunger that they gave me with it measure it out shooting some water put chloma in my mouth which is just half a pill. Um, because we're only taking twenty five Milligrams of chlomin and the pill itself has fifty fifty Milligrams take half that and just drink it. That's it tastes like shit tastes like absolute shit. Ah you know what? that's like um.

31:20.60

christophknoll

Yep, that's that that's how the sarms are yeah.

31:24.67

Paul

Yeah, it's just sharp. It's almost like rubbing alcohol or something that they put it in I'm not even sure what it is but it tastes fucking terrible. So um I just try to drink it down usually have something else.

31:40.39

Paul

Like Chase it with whether that's like a soda or a coffee or something like that just that I'm not really tasting it. Um I just drink the whole bottle and swished around my mouth and.

31:44.23

christophknoll

I challenge myself I try and keep it in my mouth for as long as I can. You know I get real worried whenever like someone comes over to my house and goes to my bathroom and is like knows knows that I'm you know what? what I do in regards to you know supplementation and they're like this must be it down the hatch.

32:08.41

Paul

Yeah, yeah, wo Woa you're gonna like you're gonna die. It's like ah it's like ah literally like you're yeah and not's the problem. That's not a good thing.

32:09.00

christophknoll

And just takes like fifty milliliters ah

32:19.21

christophknoll

Let's go. Let's go to the hospital and get you your stomach pumped.

32:26.40

Paul

There's a video this check drink a whole bottle of Magnesium citrate to like go poop because she was I don't I think I don't know she was pregnant or something something happened and she hadn't pooped in like almost a week so she just drink a whole bottle and somebody's like nobody going to tell her that you're not supposed to drink the whole bottle.

32:28.40

christophknoll

Well g.

32:45.92

Paul

And she ended up like destroying her toilet I mean it's no big deal. It just you know she just it just is a really strong laxative but with something like that you know sarms. Whatever it could be dangerous to dress the early like that all of it but well like if you and Aro in. Basically just shut down my estrogen and I could feel it. It feels weird. Um, it's like you don't realize how much your body needs estrogen until you don't have it and it really does feel weird to have it like basically shut down. Ah, which is on purpose is to make to see if the guy is going to go away and it's only going to be like this for like a week so it's not gonna be a big deal. Um, but it is interesting to at least experience that. But yeah, so that's ah, that's kind of where we're at with it after today. So we got. <unk>mate until he basically tells me no more relaxoine I'm gonna do ten days of sixty milligrams which is 2 millilitters and then ten days of thirty milliliters so you just said ten days of sixty and then ten days or ten days of sixty and do thirty until I run out which is gonna be another ten days. So it's thirty milliliters. So in the first 10 days I'll use 20 millilitterers the next ten days I'll use 10 so that's the 30 right there so such just could take me twenty days so to treat through the eulockopinene and then a hg and hmg if we're going at the same pace I'll be pretty much done like just after next weekend so it so it'd be just about two weeks

34:15.92

Paul

Um, on Hcg and hmg that'll be pulled out and then aurroma sta is already done so really at the end of the next weekend. It's all going to be theoretically relaxoine and chlomet and probably at that point we probably pull ch cloid and just keep relaxoine is my guess and then that'll be my pct. Um, so basically the gist of this pct we weren't originally actually going to run this and the reason that changed. So originally, we're just going to do I believe a trt cruise um and potentially something like just like ah. Acg and Kloome or something just to kind of clean out my system I believe I could be wrong. There. It's just from context clues. That's what it sounded like we're going to do like a minor pct while running a cruise not to get my testosterone and estrogen back to where they're supposed to be but to kind of clear out the rest of my system get my fshandls ah fsh and Lh levels back. Um, you know obviously get my lipids under control stuff like that make sure they're under control at least because you know we're taking stuff that my body's not used to during my prep. Um, you know something like clen is very very harsh on your body trend is very harsh in your body aht 3 2 4 which I was taking. Very harsh in your body granted t three c four you don't need to do a pct with ah your your thyroids on a feedback loop so you just taper off over a couple of weeks and you're good to go stuff like that so because I was taking that stuff I think we were going to go in the direction of just like a basic pct to make sure I'm good to go and then just cruise and then get back into a push phase. But.

35:49.77

Paul

But changed um is that my wife and I have decided to start trying for a baby. Um, so we started like middle of October a few weeks ago and so this pct is entirely focused on fertility.

35:56.77

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

36:07.67

Paul

Because when you're taking testosterone it shuts down your pituitary gland and your sperm product. Your sperm production is fucking in the toilet. It's like um, every time I think of shutting down your pituitary gland I think of that scene from Ted where flash Gordon's like of a sperm count of 1 he's having his own I am legend in there like that's what I think of every single time like like when you take testos and you shuts on your pituitary gle. So you have your you have like a little I am legend going on in your and you're nuts stuck um in your prostate and yeah, kind of.

36:30.61

christophknoll

Ah.

36:38.67

christophknoll

Well, that means there's a dog so a one and a half

36:45.90

Paul

It's like ah it's like I don't know walking dead or something is just a bunch of dead sperm cells and like some alive ones. So It's you know it's very low, very low sperm count because of you know, ship on your petduary Gland and that's the thing a lot of guys. Um, don't talk about and a lot of clinics. Don't. Mention before getting on something like Trt is that when your body starts relying on an artificial source of testosterone. It'll automatically shut down your pituitary Gland and make it much harder to to give birth or to get pregnant and have kids so it's not impossible I know. I Know bodybuilders personally that have gotten. Yeah, it's.

37:25.13

christophknoll

Derek Lunsford Derek Lunsford's wife came up on stage when he won and she's like I know like four or five months pregnant yeah

37:30.15

Paul

Yeah, that would be like just about starting prep so he's like the end of push phase beginning of prep when he did that So he's probably on a ton of shit and he's also men's open so he's not a ton of shit but like I know but bodybuilders personally like.

37:38.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

37:46.40

Paul

In Charlotte that have gotten you know their wives or girlfriends pregnant while on cycle and like harsh cycle like even dirt prep like fucking on everything and still got them pregnant. So I mean it's definitely possible. But it's way more unlikely. So.

37:58.79

christophknoll

Imagine imagine she goes like hey do you have protection and you're like yeah I'm pinning what's up.

38:07.97

Paul

I'm taking testosterone that's good enough protection as it is. It's basically like we're at a condom constantly whoops got to go bus did cookie other way to the gym you like.

38:14.18

christophknoll

Ah, gets pregnant the very first time busted. But.

38:25.47

Paul

Baby on the way to prep there some I don't know. But yeah, so that's the focus right now is just getting fertility back up and with everything I'm taking my fertility is through the fucking roof. Um, it's my sperm counts really high.

38:28.89

christophknoll

Ah, ridiculous.

38:40.17

christophknoll

And if if ah if it could if it happens and you know you know god willing you you are able to produce the child are you are you hopping back on another cycle and then going for another show or you going to take like the year to help.

38:47.26

Paul

The.

38:56.64

christophknoll

You know your wife deal with it or deal with it's the run word but ah.

38:56.79

Paul

No so great question. No I got I got you? That's a great question. So basically um, the plan is I think so like he said most likely two months off everything like I mean when all said and done I think two months would probably be like. Christmas time maybe before just before that I'm not sure so really, the goal is let's take this stuff to to boost fertility like crazy get pregnant then push phase. Um and then after push phase prep for next show. So.

39:28.26

christophknoll

So you'd be. You'd be in prep right around the time it happens.

39:32.67

Paul

I Ideally what I would like is I want to be done my show like just before we get Birth is what I want to be like that's my goal I'm just like dice is fuck like flexing like kids like fuck.

39:42.26

christophknoll

The baby comes out and you're just hitting the zip is ah.

39:50.58

christophknoll

The that the doctor looks to you and goes I was going to ask if you're the father but you're the daddy.

39:52.60

Paul

No, but I would be I'd be great.

39:58.47

Paul

Yeah, you're not dad. You're daddy now. So um, yeah, so that's the goal. That's what I'm hoping for is to be done my next show by the time we have a kid which is very doable I think.

40:01.70

christophknoll

Ah.

40:11.60

Paul

Ah, it really just comes down to how long we wanted to do push phase 4 and how long we want to do a prep for so like if we do a three month push three month cut or prep then that's totally doable. You know, definitely doable it all just depends. Ah because I would.

40:18.60

christophknoll

Yeah, and you've been. You've been packing on the size as is so.

40:27.71

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I'm getting fuck it up there dude and wait. So the push phase I think what like is going to be in quotations of push phase will probably like a recomp most likely shed some fat maybe put on a tad bit of muscle get into a light light bulk for a few months and then ah and then from there get into prep. Mostly like what I'm expecting to see because we're put on a lot of fat right now just like genetics and ah being off everything. My body is just putting on a ton of fat and a ton of water right now I'm approaching two hundred and five pounds now so I was on stage at one I need. One eighty three dozen 84 I think so I put on over £20 always span of um, three months roughly so we put on a lot of lot of weight. Ah and it's I'm starting to feel chunky I'm starting to really like stretch out all the clothes I'm wearing.

41:24.50

christophknoll

Are.

41:26.90

Paul

Ah, especially around my belly area. It's fucking drive me Nuts I'm just my abs are basically gone at this point you know I still have Quad vein self caffeine stuff like that. My arm veins are still kind of there. My bicep veins still there. So it's like my penages are fine. It's just my trunk that's fucking got all my fat you know so that kind of sucks. But ah.

41:31.62

christophknoll

Um.

41:45.60

Paul

I want to be done my next show by the time we have a kid because even even by then it's going to be financially difficult to um, get through the show and getting ready for a baby you know, obviously you know we have people around us and. And all of that and if there's any sort of like handme downs or something that like any of our friends have or whatever. That's 1 thing. Um and we're going to go? Yeah, yeah, he that kind of that sentimental. He's that sentimental.

42:10.52

christophknoll

Guarantee you guarantee you hamils got his baby clothes like like his own guarantee. He still has his own. Ah.

42:23.36

Paul

He's like oh to be a baby again. Go who Gaga he like puts on the bib. It's like choking gu it's like ah I miss it. But.

42:26.73

christophknoll

He he role plays.

42:37.64

christophknoll

Jesus.

42:40.72

Paul

Yeah, so we'll see I mean it's the thing. The good thing about me in my life is that we're both on the same page when they're babies is we don't give a fuck what they look like like I don't care if they're wearing like. Like she wants to put them in. Um she she works here a daycare she she knows how to obviously not like an ugly kid I don't want an ugly kid I hate that shit Dude I Hate Ugly babies. It strikes me Nuts. So The the parents are always like do so cute I like dude you have an alien for a kid like that's disgusting like come on.

43:02.77

christophknoll

Um.

43:07.92

christophknoll

But that is a potato with hair.

43:11.94

Paul

Like you're like oh so cute I'm like dude like the the dad I'm like dude you gotta be come on. Dude you got to be like dude this is an ugly ass baby like so you got it? Yeah, you gotta be like dude what the fuck happened like of all the sperm to make it. You made it like really um, no, but ah we it's I'm saying.

43:17.34

christophknoll

Ah, got to be disappointed in your sperm.

43:31.24

Paul

Looks wise I'm saying like what they're wearing stuff like that. Um, she works at a daycare so you know she knows how to take care of kids and all of that and she just knows that she wants to put them in. You know, like these like basically like 1 Z's constantly essentially because at the day they they look good. Um, they're cheap and they're comfortable and warm. They'd kind of hit all the marks. It's just at the end of the day what we care about is is saving money because it's not like the baby is going to remember what clothing they were wearing or what stroller they're being pushed in you know all that matters is we can get through. You know we we raise them as comfortably as possible. Um, so for me.

43:59.94

christophknoll

Ah, yeah.

44:09.23

Paul

Especially in the beginning like I really don't need like all this aesthetic shit or like an aesthetic baby rumor some shit like that like if we get his raise our kid one inch in seems because of the legs kind of legs are those fucking.

44:14.42

christophknoll

That kid that kid better be wearing stringers and five inch in seams.

44:24.26

christophknoll

Just stop rating start parating your baby the fuck kind of biceps or that baby 5 more.

44:26.55

Paul

You gonna hit some leg press 5 more 5 more and I'm like changing them changing them I'm like you grown a failure.

44:37.12

christophknoll

What your wife comes in Paul you've gone through all the diapers and they're all clean, 5 more 5 more.

44:42.38

Paul

Yeah I gonna keep practice and I got to go it a failure. You're like drench and sweat and you're like okay that' mechanical failure I'm done. But yeah, no, it's we'll see we'll see I mean my thing too like which you obviously you'll be invited to is I Want to throw a diaper party I think be sick.

44:50.99

christophknoll

Are.

45:02.00

Paul

Nobody does them anymore. But all the boys. Yeah, we all wear adult diapers. We all show up. We all got stogies and whiskey and we just yeah, that's a great idea. Um, everybody just shows up with as much diapers as they can afford.

45:02.74

christophknoll

We show up in diapers Man. We could. We could make that into a bodybuilding show.

45:19.43

Paul

And we'll stuff him in the walls like can sponge Bob and shit and we'll be good to go for a while. That's that's the goal you know, um you know, baby shower all that like whatever we can get from people would be great and then we'll try to use as much as you can for our next kid. You know if or when we ever have a second one.

45:24.27

christophknoll

How yeah.

45:38.58

Paul

So um, I mean I would like at least 2 but we'll see what happens with the future. But yeah, so that's the plan right now is's just fertility getting pregnant I want to hit my next show probably going to need to take some time off to get the kid ready to go because like we can so with my wife working out a daycare. She gets maternity leave not really paid but she gets it and it's fine. You know she doesn't lose her job or anything um, and then what's great is that at six weeks old she can put our kid in the daycare for free. So yeah, exactly so right.

46:07.11

christophknoll

Oh that's perfect because that's that's an expense that's a big mother I can expense.

46:15.46

Paul

So the daycare she works at she heart arguably helps run. She's the assistant director the director as the daughter of the owner so she arguably helps run it. So um, the daycare there is like some of the ages are like the prices is between like 1600 and like $2000 a month is like the cost. So.

46:32.42

christophknoll

Absurd.

46:35.43

Paul

Great perk to be able to have that available to us. What's good is that theoretically if we we know we get to that point she could like open the daycare at like six thirty be done at 4 leave our kid there while I'm hitting the gym. She'd come home. Take a nap relax for a couple hours. I'll pick up the our our child after the gym at like 6 6 30 and then come home. You know it's like that could be like the routine you know which would be perfect. You know she gets some time off from the kid I'm working from home. So you know I don't have to worry about watching our kid at home or anything like that. Um, and then she gets some time off. After coming home from work to relax I come home with the kid. We're all fresh, rejuminated good to go. You know so it's it's kind of like the perfect time to have 1 right now. Ah.

47:23.36

christophknoll

Your wife is like ah Paul we we're saving 1600 on not having to pay for daycare. What are we going to invest it in trend you become your own trend dealer.

47:30.20

Paul

Just vials upon vials of trend. So what fucking trend.

47:41.53

christophknoll

And you just start distributing. Ah.

47:43.90

Paul

Paying yourself? Yeah I just pay myself my own money fakes bro. He's like bet. But.

47:50.48

christophknoll

The arnold meme where it's him clasping hands with the the guy who plays Apollo from rocky.

47:56.17

Paul

Yeah, just flexing hard of shit all sweaty and oiled up. But yeah I know so I'm looking forward to it. I'm really excited to become a dad one day hopefully soon hopefully this time next year is what is the goal. You know, obviously like what sucks is that. My wife. She's very hot generally she's the opposite of most women where most women are cold all the time she's hot all the time she's she's very easily overheats so she didn't want to be pregnant like third trimester pregnant during summer because that would be brutal especially down here. You know it gets hot. It gets really hot in North Carolina

48:25.24

christophknoll

Yeah.

48:34.14

Paul

Ah, not quite the humidity of down south or even up north you guys have a lot more humidity up north but the heat gets really high gets close to a hundred most of the summer so it would be brutal for her to be third trimester pregnant. But at this rate it's like we're starting to try like I wanted to like in a way I almost want to wait to like.

48:53.90

Paul

Like February March to start trying but at the same time she's like she did make a good point which is the reason we started early was like who knows how long it's going to take us to get pregnant and she's like if we get pregnant right away. She'll deal with being pregnant in the summer but at least that way we know we're good to go where like if we tried.

49:03.92

christophknoll

Yep.

49:11.92

Paul

Like at the ideal time and we weren't able to get pregnant then we would see that window closing and all of a sudden. We know we're starting to get pregnant. We're starting to look at like given birth in the summer anyways so she's like let's not wait. Let's just do it now and start trying and if it takes a while it takes a while.

49:28.00

christophknoll

And especially like your whole pcd going for the fertility plus package like that that like if that doesn't produce the ability to have a child then it means that you have like you Paul will have to go like to a fertility expert and like. Get like more medical attention just to be able to produce that because like if you can't do it in the pct then on cycle. It's going to be even harder not saying it's impossible but it would be harder. So it's like this is the perfect time like you and your coach identify was like all right? We're doing this.

49:56.26

Paul

Yeah.

50:05.61

christophknoll

If this doesn't work fuck.

50:06.53

Paul

Yeah, so that's the other thing too was that I did tell like obviously I would want to wait into February March theoretically like let's say I said that we also would be talking about like peak like middle of my prep push phase like basically regardless so. With being in pct right now I'm like there's no better time than now to do it. You know it's like even regardless of when we wanted to I was like it's it's still a better time now for me and for her you know it's just it's the best time to do it right now and theoretically if we do um or don't get pregnant during my pct theoretically. We could get checked out to both of us and see like hey you know was there an issue is there. An issue was it just the fact that we just didn't like was it just a luck or the draw something like that. Um, after my reloxoine which would be like end of next week roughly? Um, mostly right after that I'll be getting blood work done. So. With that being said, the blood work will show me fsation lh levels and that gives you a rough idea of where your sperm count was at. It's not an exact. It's it's kind of like it's it's there's a correlation but it's not causation. You know so it's not like just because your fsation lh levels are high or low doesn't necessarily mean your sperm count was high or low. But typically it's they're they're kind of they're kind of connected. So um, yeah, it's well that's kind of how it is like it's like um your it's your fsation Lh levels are the the typically the the the one that I get.

51:25.82

christophknoll

So it comes back as one.

51:41.50

Paul

The the blood levels you get the blood tests you get here's the thing with blood tests. Let me just kind of preface this you can spend as much money on a blood test as you want you can spend thousands of dollars in blood tests. The differences between the the prices is the accuracy and what you get so what I get for just under twenty hundred bucks with Merrick. Ah, Clinic Meic Health Clinic which is run by I think it's like financed by Derek More plates more dates. Um, so that one it's like gender two hundred bucks you get like a full panel. You know, lipids hormones. Um.

52:09.45

christophknoll

Ah.

52:17.23

Paul

You know which includes like free testosterone total testosterone estrogen um checkglyceride stuff like that gets all of that. The only difference is that sometimes with like testosterone some tests won't be like oh if you're over 20500 nanograms total we just stop.

52:35.33

Paul

Counting like you're over this somewhere you know somewhere over this. That's all we know, um, same with like FsH and l h so when I got tested for my last blood test. My fsation l la levels were less than like point three nanograms or whatever it is so they they wouldn't they wouldn't measure any lower than that.

52:37.95

christophknoll

Ah.

52:53.53

Paul

But basically what that means is that my festation la levels were literally basically in the toilet like according to my festation lh I had like no a sperm count during peak bulk when I got when I got tested I think it was peak bulk. Um I don't think it was during prep I think it was peak book when it got tested just to make sure everything was fine. Everything's okay. And that was expected something like that is expected when you're on you know gear. Um, so when we get tested again at the end of next week I'm expecting my festation Lh levels to be relatively normal. Maybe a little higher than usual and if that shows then that should theoretically mean that my sperm count is either like. In a normal range or higher than usual, um, and that's what I'm hoping for at the end of the day next week we get the blood test done. So um, as far as any issues from there. Um, you know it's not like it could be me or could be her. It could be either of us. We don't know we can just both get checked.

53:38.31

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

53:52.19

Paul

And see what happens. But ideally we just hope that we're pregnant soon. You know, um because we're trying and that's the that's the other bullshit thing too is that ah, when what's like with a lot of a lot of cases is that what's unfortunate is not as common now but like. Back in the day teen pregnancy was a problem and what's so fucked up was that especially back in the day teen pregnancy was so abundant you know they obviously had the reality Tv shows about it 16 and pregnant and whatnot and at the same time there wasn't the tools out there that there is today for like.

54:20.25

christophknoll

I have.

54:28.15

Paul

Parents or future parents who are trying for a baby to have more help you know? So it's like the people who are trying were having less kids. But then the people who weren't trying were having more kids. Um, so it's just a weird backed up backwards situation where it's like we see a lot of time people who should be having kids who who don't want kids right now.

54:37.58

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

54:47.91

Paul

And I'm getting pregnant way easier than those that are trying and I wonder at the same time if that's like a mental thing if there's some sort of like mental aspect to it where because you're so stressed out or anxious about trying that it ends up affecting it or something. But yeah.

54:58.68

christophknoll

Oh hundred percent hundred percent there's emotional side of this.

55:04.25

Paul

Oh I know that I know there's emotional side to it too I Just don't know like how it affects it in a negative way because like my you know my wife. She's get to point where she's kind of getting anxious about it because like so she was having and she's still kind of having like almost like in a way kind of morning sickness Ish symptoms not quite.. It's like she's nauseous at night doesn't want to eat during in the day. So It's like this weird thing that she's going through and you know we got a test done just to see if there's something you it was negative. Granted it would have been way too soon. But it's like now that we tested She's like worried. She's never going to get Pregnant. You know so it's like this. There's this whole emotional mental thing especially on the women side of things.

55:38.18

christophknoll

A.

55:43.53

Paul

That like affects them so we'll see what happens. Um, hopefully you know it doesn't take too long. Obviously you know I want to be able to to have a little one. Um, but we're still still arguing about names that's still our problem.

55:58.25

christophknoll

Have you ever watched have you ever watched shame us.

56:03.20

Paul

I Know about it I haven't watched it I Just know it's super dark. So I've never tried it.

56:07.18

christophknoll

I Mean there's there's comedic sides to it like this couple is trying to get pregnant and she can't get pregnant and they can't afford a surrogate so he just starts paying her mom and then. Out of like to be a surrogate without paying for the surrogate and you know everyone's everyone is on board with it but ones that what ends up happening is both the mom and his wife get pregnant at the same time.

56:24.53

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

56:35.65

Paul

What the fuck that's so dumb. No, we would never do some shit like that we would if we couldn't get pregnant at all. We would just adopt is really what would end up happening. Um, what sucks is I've always been.

56:37.11

christophknoll

Ah, so there are options out there brother don't worry. Ah.

56:46.41

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:53.90

Paul

Like for for family I'm always been one that I want to have my kids you know I want to have our kids she was in the space when I met her that she wanted to have a couple of our own kids and then adopt one and I super commend her for that. But I kind of set the the expectation to beginning I'm like look.

56:57.30

christophknoll

E.

57:12.23

Paul

I Really commend you for that and if that's a deal breaker for us I understand like just when we were dating I'm like but for me I don't want to adopt because I want to have my own biological kids and I was like I want to be able to pass on my name to.

57:21.78

christophknoll

Yeah.

57:27.97

Paul

I Know it's stupid but my bloodline I'm ah I'm I'm a big person who says that your bloodline doesn't mean shit see I see bloodline to me doesn't mean shit if you're not going to treat me properly like I'm close I'm very close to my family that treats me properly.

57:28.88

christophknoll

Oh trust me I'm oh I'm I'm actually old school with that believing and and.

57:41.40

christophknoll

True.

57:47.17

Paul

But just because you're blood related to me doesn't mean you have to be in my life. That's that's what I'm trying to say so I want to be able to pass on my name through my bloodline and because really at the day it's up to me my younger brother to pass on my last name and at the same time you know there. The.

57:50.60

christophknoll

And.

58:05.62

Paul

The further we get in human society the less blond hair blue-eyed kids. There are out there and on those sides that sounds done but like literally it's expected. We're going to go extinct like in our lifetime. Um, where it's It's going to become so recessive that blond Hair Blue Eyes is never going to happen. So if I have the chance to be able to pass that on.

58:24.21

christophknoll

Yeah.

58:24.43

Paul

That's what I'm hoping to be able to do Um, just it's like it's you know, just to have more diversity. You know it's It's great to have diversity and and if like I think that if red hair is going to die out at some point I think I would know Yeah damn.

58:36.77

christophknoll

We'd let it. Ah.

58:41.54

Paul

That was quick that was quick that was good Those those witty those witty. Um I think if yeah we got to tell him that now. Um how they give Red hair is going to die out I think that those people who have naturally genetic red hair should try their best to have.

58:46.58

christophknoll

Ah I'm calling misner.

59:00.49

Paul

You know, obviously like if you're a couple kids in and you don't anymore then stop but like I think that you should be able to try to have if you can have the ability to finances in a privileged place to be able to afford the luxury of having a kid and have them have red hair. That's what my goal would be if I was in their shoes. So That's kind of where I'm at is like I want to be able to have a kid with blond Hair Blue Eyes if I can um and whether or not we have a weird girl I'm okay with I want one of each but at the end of the day. Um I'm just excited to be a father either way whether I have a boy or a girl.

59:33.28

christophknoll

Only.

59:36.28

Paul

And I'll be happy either way I can't stand it when people are sad about having what they don't want to have I think that's ludicrous I think that's fucking shameful to me. Um, and I know people who have done that they've gotten really upset that they're not having what they want to have and I'm like do you even hear yourself like you're upset.

59:55.25

christophknoll

Yeah, that you've created life.

59:55.44

Paul

That your kid's going to be who they are like that makes me so fucking. Sad yeah, like imagine that imagine finding out like oh mommy and Daddy didn't want you. We wanted something else like that sucks. You know? So I'm going to be happy with whatever we have and I want a boy and I want a girl. And different. You know for different reasons like I want a daddy's girl like I want to grow that.

01:00:16.20

christophknoll

I Thought you I thought you're about to say indiff child in different children like instead of you get a boy and a girl in the same child like yeah, ah past.

01:00:21.34

Paul

What yeah I want I want a tranny I we're gonna raise a tranny I want to harm aphrodite I want both I want them to get themselves pregnant.

01:00:35.50

christophknoll

And as ah, ah ah, all right? That's it guys. We're going on.

01:00:41.24

Paul

Ah, ah, we'll call out a day. Yeah, no so anyways, thanks for um, listen to my pct chat. Um, yeah, So what will hopefully we'll have a kid soon and it's fucking. Okay, here's the other thing real quick. Who who fucking came up with the whole thing that you have to have a kid on ovulation window like what it's fucking whack Z So This is new to me this drop this thing This is new to me right? So I thought.

01:01:04.62

christophknoll

I I Yeah I got nothing man I don't get I don't really look into that.

01:01:17.26

Paul

Going into it. You know, obviously like when you're when you're ovulating then you know it was just like a certain amount of time after your period when you're ovulating you have a better chance of getting pregnant but it's at the point now where like studies have been done and supposedly it's like virtually impossible to have a kid when you're not ovulating I'm like. Fucking why? like why is that a thing why can't like what the like female reproductive organs make fucking. There's so much going on like there is so much going on with that shit female hormones are so complex. It is a fucking miracle. We have female contraceptives in the first place because.

01:01:38.47

christophknoll

3

01:01:55.30

Paul

How the hell we're able to shut any shit down is beyond me but the fact that like the female body is just like and if it's not this like literal almost two day window I'm good I don't want anything. It's like fucking what and then these like sixteen year olds and fifteen Fourteen year olds at this point. Fucking having kids out of nowhere I'm like dude I have to time it like down to the day and then that makes sex a chore which is fucking annoying. So like I thought that trying for a baby was gonna be awesome.

01:02:24.30

christophknoll

Here. Go again on my own Burningham Oh down the only road I've ever known.

01:02:27.70

Paul

It fucking? Yeah, it's it's it's like dude, it's like yeah, it's rough. It's a good.. It's good song for it. But yeah, it's just ah, it's like you have to time it and it ends up becoming a fucking chore and it's like you have to like. You know it's just a different.. It's different which sucks which sucks. But um at the same time.. It's just like I mean obviously I'm willing to do it for our kid but pct all this shits for our kid. You know I wouldn't be running this if we weren't trying for a kid This pct wouldn't be happening which.

01:02:45.44

christophknoll

Yeah I get that.

01:03:01.47

Paul

Which is also a good thing too. So like when I we were looking at pct one of my homies who's borderline and endocrinologist. You know so much about hormones and all of that and he's like you know pct doesn't really make any sense right now, especially since you're going to be competing every year now and competing probably a couple times a year. He's like I don't see why you would run a pct and completely come off everything. And it. It makes me feel better knowing now that it was just for fertility and other than that we basically just run a cruise you know we would taper down run a cruise clean out the system with some health like a health rest phase like I'm doing right now with 2 on one off which I'm also doing 2 on 1 off, it's chest.

01:03:25.51

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:03:40.11

Paul

By back. Try rest legs and then a dealt with the chests movement and a back movement just for a touchup and then a rest. So. It's two I one off to on one off. Um, so now I know we're going to do cruise for that going into the future. Um, so we're not going to come off completely off of everything ideally is dont we don't want to do it's it's really harsh in the body to do pct. It's arguably harsher to do a pct than it is to do steroids. Um, it's like how I explain it. it's like there's not it's like okay it's like withdrawals it's kind of like withdrawals like you can die from withdrawals. You know you're addicted to something you can die from withdrawals.

01:04:12.64

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:04:17.66

Paul

And arguably sometimes withdrawals are more dangerous than than taking something which obviously you should go through you need to go through withdrawals but like there are things to help you survive withdrawals and all that but like that's kind of what pct is like it's it's harsher on the body to come off everything and go through Pct than it is to like stay on theoretically so like that's why.

01:04:32.72

christophknoll

Yeah, it's it's harsher but it's better long term. Yeah.

01:04:34.82

Paul

You do like your blast and cruise yeah in the long term of course like you have to do pct to fully come off everything in the long term long term but in the short term since we're gonna be competing pretty frequently in the future a is gonna be a cruise and if we go to try for another baby because like for me I want our kids close together not like. Back to back. But like you have 1 kid maybe like a year later or something start getting ready for the next one or something like that. So whenever we go to go for another kid. We'll do a pct or something similar to what we are now. It's probably gonna be my next pct. So it's probably just gonna be blast crewise blast Cruise um, until then after this pct. Um, but. We'll see what happens so long story short the gist of it is almost um I'm about halfway down my pct roughly. Um, getting bloodwork done probably the end of November I'll be up beginning in December in Massachusetts so I'll see all you guys and then blast. Push phase maybe like end of December ish and then we'll see from there.

01:05:34.51

christophknoll

And when you're back in the area when I'll go on to the home gym.

01:05:38.34

Paul

Yeah, what it's It's annoying like every time I go up I'm like I want to go to Van Ay's so bad but I have to plan around it because of when they're open and when Van's gonna be there and shit. So yeah, so here is my thing I was gonna propose to you is that we'll talk about it more. But.

01:05:48.98

christophknoll

I Got my scanner.

01:05:56.37

Paul

Like when I go to co-op maybe like I could have you pay him or something and because he knows obviously who I am so like he wouldn't care if I go with you and he's not there. You know I was there for years.

01:06:04.50

christophknoll

You you you don't have to bring you. He doesn't have to be there for guests anymore. Yeah.

01:06:09.38

Paul

Right? right? But like I don' I've already signed plenty of waivers I was there I was a member there for a few years so if if I just had you pay him or if I just paid him once I'm sure he'd be fine with me going whenever and I just go with you whenever whenever we can go so we'll do that but I won't be strong or anything like that I do I am able to bench two forty five or 8 right now and you're pretty happy about.

01:06:17.38

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

01:06:28.51

Paul

Um, so pretty happy I could push that deadlifting 3 plates in a quarter for like 8 or 9 reps right now. It's with solid reps so pretty happy about all that.

01:06:28.75

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

01:06:34.17

christophknoll

I I have I haven't done a bench max in a while or I really don't do a lot of strength like or a low volume high strength on on bench. But I do that for my I do rack pulls instead of Dead Bliffs just because i'm.

01:06:51.32

Paul

Um, yeah, nice.

01:06:51.48

christophknoll

Super isolating the back and just taking legs out of it and I hit 4 plates for the first time since my injuries and because yeah I know I mentioned it way at the beginning of the summer before my legs went to shit um that I was doing 4 plates and I finally got back to it. So.

01:07:02.92

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

01:07:09.45

Paul

Yeah I was doing 4 plates pretty regularly. Um before starting pct on rackpoles I was actually like slowly increasing the weight. So what I would do is like I put like a two and a half or like a £5 plate on the the inside of the bar.

01:07:14.89

christophknoll

I.

01:07:22.84

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:07:25.00

Paul

And then just put my put my normal weight on top. So like I would start with 1 plate then 2 plates and 3 plates and 4 plates. But I would increase whatever is on the inside the bar so that way I don't have to keep changing it out. You know, pull it off put the plate on put it back stuff like that. So I got to like £15 added to each side and then 4 plates on top of that is essentially what I got up to.

01:07:30.99

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:07:43.93

Paul

And then the rep started becoming shit because I was losing my strength so I started going down a little bit and then I was like you know what? since we're doing twelve one off I was gonna like do the movements I enjoy doing because like the gym right now is kind of a chore. You know I just I don't have the energy anymore that I used to have it's not as motivating. Um.

01:07:50.33

christophknoll

A.

01:08:01.43

Paul

To get to the gym. You know I'm not really making any progress I'm just kind of like I'm kind of putting on fat. So like kind of feels like it's worthless. Even though it's not so I'm doing stuff that I enjoy doing so I can look forward to that. So like I'm doing bench press again. So I'm doing two forty five or eight I could probably do more if I had a spotter I just don't feel comfortable doing more on my own.

01:08:17.91

christophknoll

I Got that.

01:08:20.46

Paul

And it is a lot of my shoulders. So I don't want to do too too much there I'm still doing like just over 3 plates on the incline bench machine which is awesome. The hamish strength one um and the deadlifting I'm dead liftfting again because because I did rack pulls for so long that I was like can honor do deadlifts from the floor. And I'm doing like 3 plates in a quarter for like I saw like 8 or 9 um, and I could probably do more I just like want to make sure I'm focusing my back like the entire rep. Even though I'm pulling it from the floor I'm still focusing my back if I focused everything I could probably get like maybe like four to quarter for like 1.

01:08:41.50

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

01:08:48.14

christophknoll

E.

01:08:54.21

christophknoll

Yeah Sumo bro.

01:08:56.94

Paul

Something like that. Um, but dude Sumo if you fucking Pull Sumo Dude you do all right.

01:09:01.38

christophknoll

I did I did 8 plates and I lifted the bar an inch so I'm kind of the strongest one in the gym.

01:09:09.20

Paul

There's this one guy who talked about how he did like he was like the fastest progressor in in powerlifting. Whatever he did like a sumo lift of like over a thousand pounds which like don't get me wrong I could never sumo dead left over a thousand pounds like that's nothing something I could do even if I tried to but there's no way I could do it but he was like comparing himself to Eddie Hall

01:09:19.89

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:09:26.98

Paul

And somebody's like do it conventional then you could fucking talk like if he was like over a thousand. He's doing conventional at his body weight of like maybe like 54 like that's fucking crazy but he's doing sumo at that much and the reps super fast.

01:09:29.56

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:09:43.35

Paul

And it's only like really a couple inches off the ground. So it's like all right and it's all legs too. Sumo Dead Lifts is all legs like none of it's back. So it's like all do conventional then we'll talk but I'm glad that we're going in the direction where we're shaming Sumo dead liftfting we're shaming arching in your back on the bench. We're going back to proper.

01:09:44.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:09:49.85

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

01:10:01.95

christophknoll

Ah, oh yeah, for all you ladies taking videos in the gym just stop.

01:10:02.78

Paul

Training Joywall is a big big role in that. Fucking cut it out leave I Want a men's only gym. There's women's only gym. Why not men's only gym. We just trained in speedos all day we smack each other's Asses. We could just train and like.

01:10:21.80

christophknoll

But that would actually be incredible. Yeah, literally that would be incredible.

01:10:27.74

Paul

Posing trunks. You see that clip of Steve getting upset that um c bum and Ramon um patded each other's ass those so dumb. Oh my gosh Steve was like yeah, it's their thing and Steve literally goes stop touching like you got upset about it.

01:10:34.84

christophknoll

At each other's butt I didn't see the video but they do it it. They do it every year though.

01:10:45.16

christophknoll

Oh he said? oh he said it in the Mike Oh damn Oh damn? Yeah yeah.

01:10:47.10

Paul

And he said in the mic. Yes, like everybody heard it. It was on the speakers and everything and he goes stop touching I'm like what the fuck dude is a show. It's literally a bodybuilding show. They're making it entertaining. It's for entertainment in a sense.

01:11:00.85

christophknoll

And that's I mean it's their thing but it was Dino's thing like Dino does that to every person he stands next to.

01:11:06.74

Paul

Yeah, and Jay did it to like Ronnie they did it back and forth like it's been something that's been done for a while. It's just stupid that he's like upset about it. So he's like Steve's just jealous that he can't touch sea bums ass. Yeah I would be jealous too I'd be like damn man I want to fucking gill a pinch of that butt.

01:11:11.69

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:11:21.98

christophknoll

Looking like I cut a flank steak.

01:11:26.48

Paul

Yeah I just pinch it my thumb breaks like ah fuck you go to pinch. He just like grabs it. He's like clenches you're coming with me.

01:11:32.54

christophknoll

Is when you try and touch sea Bum's ass. It touches you.

01:11:37.25

Paul

Yeah, big it grabs you right back. His triations are so so deep it just grabs you back but already thanks for listening guys. See you guys.

01:11:49.34

christophknoll

Ah, all right? Oh we will see you next week peace.


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