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HGH #8 - Commercial vs. Professional Gyms

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christophknoll

Welcome back. Everybody to a brand new episode.

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Paul Garny

Hall gains high pertrophy this is Paul we got christoph back welcome back. It's official.

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christophknoll

Ah I know finally back the row ahead me down but it couldn't hold me down forever.

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Paul Garny

Damn straight and then prior to that it was um, you're gone in Michigan it seemed and then we also had um the wedding and all of that. So it's ah it's been about a month since we've had just you and I on there on here huh.

00:31.35

christophknoll

Well yeah, our first real episode and I'm not discrediting the other ones but our first real episode with the 2 of us and like you said probably close to a month. So yeah, absolutely um and we got a spicy little topic for everybody today. Um.

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Paul Garny

What? what.

00:47.78

christophknoll

Be got a lot of friends on both sides of the on both sides of the coin. So I think it's going to be a good one for people to interact with post when we ended up posting this thing but ah, essentially our topic today is the kind of gym that you go to.

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Paul Garny

It's a good one.

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Paul Garny

So.

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christophknoll

Um, we'll touch a little bit more ind depth but it's basically commercial versus private. But there's also many different layers to that like I technically still go to a commercial gym but I don't consider it in the same category as where I came from so. Explain what? all that means. But essentially we're talking gyms today and as most of you guys who have been listening since the beginning of this podcast know. Um I come from planet fitness I no longer you know go to planet fitness and I am very glad that I'm out of that atmosphere but I was a person who went to planet fitness um and planet fitness is like you're just the epitome of what you would call a commercial gym. You have a very low. Membership rate like in terms of what you have to pay to go in. Ah, you have a pretty wide variety of different machinery that you can use um and generally speaking you have a pretty average Joe body class that's going into that gym and so that. Kind of sums up everything that a commercial gym is looking for a commercial gym is looking for you to buy membership and stay there for long periods of time. Not necessarily using your membership but just engaging in those long-term contracts. Um, because.

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christophknoll

These commercial gyms have so much space normally and they have to make ends meet for all their employees and whatnot and so planet fitness is like just the absolute you know definition of what a commercial gym can be thought of um they do a really good job with their. Organization like when you walk in, you feel like you're at a singular gym because all the machinery all the weights. Everything's color coordinated generally and I continue to say generally because like I came from planet fitness and there's also some absolute hulks that I've seen in planet fitness. But. Generally speaking when you walk into a planet fitness you are or you know general commercial gym for that matter. You're going to see guys who you know are not in the bodybuilding world such as Paul um, or in the you know higher I guess you could say.

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christophknoll

I'm not gonna say higher class of lifting but higher strategy of lifting like I am um and you're gonna find a lot of people who are there because you know their wife said they had to lose 10 pounds before Christmas or something like that and that. Is certainly a good environment to get started in I don't want to discredit the fact that it's a good place to start but too many people start there and end there and whether that's ending within 5 you know five months after getting their membership and they're just done with the gym or ending. Fifty years later and they spent their entire career at planet fitness because I've seen those dudes at planet fittness who have talked about back in the day when like planet fit is first opened in this excuse me when that first opened in this area and like that kind of stuff just shocks me and I can't stand it. Um, and so that is what a commercial gym by definition is now earlier I said I still go to a commercial gym and the reason I hesitate so much before throwing the commercial label on my gym is that it's not at all. Like a yeah franchise. So so many people think commercial and they think they think franchise where there's multiple locations all over the place and you can go to 1 like planet fitness with the black card I could go here where I live in the fitsburgh lemer spare area I could bounce over to gar gardner I did some maynard.

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christophknoll

Lifts with a buddy of mine and that is what a lot of people consider commercial now I go to empire athletics now which is just phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal Jim um, but by definition there a commercial gym as well because there's no. Restriction on who can join you just have to be able to pay and empire is you know a little bit more expensive I think if I paid monthly. It's like I know ten maybe fifteen bucks more than planet fitness but I paid out for the year so that's that's a different story but by definition it is a commercial gym where. You know, no restrictions like I said on membership you have a wide range of different tools and machinery within the gym just the atmosphere and the environment. That's what really changes when you switch gyms like to a um I'm gonna say I'm gonna throw a professional gym. For that label I feel like that kind of summar summarizes it a lot better than looping it in with commercial. Um and so ah, but the big difference too is that at planet you don't have planet fitness I should say you don't have a squat rack. You don't have a bench press. You don't have a true deadlift area. And a smith machine is all good and Dandy for someone who's just getting into it. But when you switch to one of these like professional gyms. You find that not only do you have that available to you but you have people around you that are going to motivate you to use those things and that's a big big part of it. The the motivation aspect. But.

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christophknoll

Um, huge change. It's a change that honestly I think everyone after maybe like a year of going to planet minus a year tops should make the change over because if you're training the way you should for your first year you should be at a point where you're ready for a more professional style gym. Um, and that's what I have within empire for anybody listening that has gone to it. You know that empire is as legit as it comes in the area I mean I looked at a whole bunch in the in the fitsburg leminster area an empire just tops the list. They just expanded as well. So. There's no lack of space anywhere. Um, just a very very good atmosphere for a continuing weightlifter now I know that we just threw a whole bunch of information at you. So while you as listener but Paul what was your.

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christophknoll

What was your I guess development into the gyms that you got into because obviously you work out at a much different level now. But what was your original kind of pathway through the gyms.

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Paul Garny

So the original start for me was planet fitness when I was like 16 I only went really for a couple weeks and then real. Okay, so let me let me backtrack here. Let me just say the business model for planet fitness is is genius. People who develop planet fitness and the idea of how they make money is genius. The idea for those that don't know is they want people to come in. Sign up for the cheap $10 a month plan. Usually there's no sign up for you. That's um, some sort of $1 sign up fee or some sort of promotion like that. There's there's always some sort of promotion going. Um and then they don't they want you to come for like a week and then stop coming and forget about your membership and never just keep paying it because. Ah let's say like the planet fitness and gardener for instance, pretty busy planet fitness if that planet fitness or really any planet fitness if all of their members came consistently It would be jam packed. People is not their business model. Their business model is for people not to come and essentially that's kind of the business model for every gym.

08:53.85

Paul Garny

Ah, unless it's a super expensive gym that knows that everybody who's coming is going to come um which is more of a private gym. Um private gyms. You don't find that often anymore there used to be a lot more common but not anymore. But in the case of planet fitness in most gyms. The less people come the less wear and tear on the machines the more money that they make so they don't typically a gym doesn't actually want their people to come consistently in order to make money if it's a good gym and the people who own the gym own it because they love fitness and they love working out and all of that. Um. Then they're going to actually care if people come. They're going to motivate people to come but typically with something commercial. For instance, they're in it for the profit they're in it for the money you know I want to own a gym one day and if it gets commercial great if not that's fine too. It's you know you can love fitness and still. Want to make money off your business. That's not a problem but the problem behind planet fitness is the the morality of a lot of the people that kind of go there and support their business practices the the business ethics they're they're ethically sound in a sense but the morality of the what. A lot of they do just as an organization is an hundred percent in check um but with that being said I started out with plan fitness and I fell for that business model. You know I went for like a month or something like that and then kind of stopped because.

10:19.63

Paul Garny

I never really knew what I was doing I didn't have any guidance I didn't have any motivation I just kind of went because I felt like I had to and then I just felt like I didn't have to anymore and just stop going. Um and then a few years later it started I got into body beast which is the Dvd c the Dvd set or whatever. That kind of gave me a good foundation of just like understanding like what the movements actually do and what the movements are and how to structure a workout because it's actually a lot of like pyramid sets in that workout program. It's actually a really solid program. Um, you know a lot of the sets are like. 16 to 12 reps like 16 14 twelve ten and there's like timed rests of like 30 seconds it's like it's actually solid for actual hypertrophy. It's it's a really good like backbone with scientific backing to it for what you can use in the gym and then from there. Um I went to. I kind of Mountett a couple times their gym and never really felt anything for it and then um, after body piece I was kind of finishing up on the program after like three months or whatever and I was asking around and a couple of people recommended vanarchy and Gardner. So. That's when I went to vanarchy for the first time and I was like I got to keep coming here I love it I absolutely love it here um so then that's when I got into um more serious lifting and understanding how it works and then I started with my coach shortly after that and the rest is history but vanarchy was really my stepping stone into.

11:48.48

Paul Garny

Something a bit more professional, um, bit more advanced and it's I mean vanarchy is essentially as advanced as it comes I mean hole in the wall. You wouldn't even know it's there if you don't know it's there. It's a brick building with a door like inset about four feet into the actual building so you can't even see you'd have to like. Perfectly you be looking at the door when you drive by to see the sign. Um, so you wouldn't know if it's there unless you know it's there. Um, and a lot of the equipment that they have there isn't like being created anymore a lot of it's been. You know a lot of it's like 90 s two thousand s machines that aren't allowed anymore to be created or manufactured. You know there's different. Laws and rules that these manufacturing companies have to follow for gym equipment and some of it's like you know people have gotten hurt from different pieces of equipment. So the you know government will outlaw that type of equipment and stuff like that is what they have there which is great. Great understanding of the different types of equipment and how to utilize it and all of that. So. That's where I started and then um I really got into ah more. On the commercial side moving down here to Charlotte going to a golds gym down in South Carolina and then now going to a Golds gym and in Huntersville um, but 1 thing to consider is commercial in a sense when you talk to anybody who's relatively intermediate or advanced in in the.

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Paul Garny

Fitness community knows that commercial is just a general definition of the type of gym. It is whether that like so like Golds is a commercial gym just like planet fitness is a commercial gym but the same time a lot of these gyms besides planning well plan fitness is a franchise but a lot of these franchise gyms like golds are kind of up to the owner. Of that franchise what they put in that gym. So no golds gym is equivalent. You know the gold gym in South Carolina is completely opposite from the gold gym in Huntersville ah they have a lot of the South Carolina 1 has a lot of life fitness equipment that looks pretty has like these fake wood paneling on it. Looks really nice and it has like the life fitness equipment that fucking drives me nuts when you're sitting in it or using it. It moves at the same time. So if you sit in it and do those curls the seat moves at the same time you're kind of like curling your own weight a little bit I hate that shit that shit's so annoying.

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christophknoll

So.

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christophknoll

It's like this stuff from the stuff from the Robert Frank videos where he's always on the tricep thing his whole body's moving.

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Paul Garny

Yeah, exactly that equipment I know exactly you're talking about. Um, he's like if you want to get pitchches. You got to get your chest swool. But yeah, that guy. Yeah mom me screaming you got to get your so your arms swoll. Yeah, that guy so that equipment drives me Nuts Crunch I think.

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christophknoll

So if you want to have a thick balmmy scream. Yeah.

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christophknoll

The a.

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Paul Garny

Those videos are taken out of crunch fitness um crunch is another example of franchises that are all kind of different I've gone to a couple crunches and they're all kind of different um empire um, much like most ah singular gyms like vanarchy was is very. I like those types of gyms because they don't have really any loyalty towards a specific brand of equipment which is nice. It's good to have a good mix of different brands because for instance life fitness doesn't really agree with the anatomy of my body personally but then like a brand like um. Kind of like prime prime or um, arsenal atlantis those ones agree with me more than something like life fitness even my body doesn't 100 % agree with hammer strength. So um, it's nice to see gems that gyms that don't have full loyalty and then at same time they have a good system. Support system the type of people there like you you know like what it's like to go there. You know? Ah so we went to went during when you were down here for our wedding. We went to fitness factory it's the same kind of thing. There's no loyalty to 1 particular brand. So. Everything's a little different which is nice. And then but at the same time when you go to a gym that's more particular like that it's oftentimes. You'll find. It's more expensive than a commercial gym because the commercial gyms more care about actual member count than they do care about actual profit per member in a sense so because.

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Paul Garny

Fitness factor is not going to attract as many people as a golds gym will they have to charge more in order to meet their margins where gold's gym just by having that logo on their building is going to have enough members to then charge a decent price for me when I went to elite fitness in Huntersville which is a great gym. Um, very small, great gym lot of different equipment brands and all of that it's unheard of they were charging twenty five a month that's unheard of for an underground gym like that. Um you know that's less than goals as that's less than half fitness factory fit this factory sixty bucks a month elite was 25 so um, it's it's unheard of you kind of see stuff like that. So. It's there's a lot of the we'll we'll get more into the morality of things but at the end of the day. Planet fitness is a good starting point. But if you if you're consistent with it and stick with it then you're going to grow out of it pretty fast. Ah, simply because they don't have the 3 key pieces of equipment that are the foundation of pretty much every single movement ever existing which is squats deadlift and bench press. Um, ah, pretty much anything involving your back your legs and. Your chest are essentially branches off of those 3 tree trunks of exercises. Um, obviously shoulders and arms and stuff like that don't you can't really work on those with those 3 movements but um, those are the 3 foundational movements that I think that everybody should be able to execute properly with good form. So.

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Paul Garny

Just not them have just them not having that shows that you can grow out of it pretty quick. So like staff was saying you know a year in if you're consistent with it which most people aren't when it comes to planet fitness christ you're kind of the outlier in this case because usually people don't stick to planet fitness that long. So. Ah, if you're there for any longer than really six months and you start and you're at during those six months you're also learning and understanding how things work and understanding the human body and all of that then you'll grow out of it and you need to really start branching out if it's your only option then it is what it is but if there is another option. Test it out and see what you think and go from there. But yes, that's where I started and that's where I am now. Ultimately.

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christophknoll

Yeah, and another thing with the difference in Machines. It's not just the difference in like brand and whatnot. It's like like you we were talking about the the big 3 with squat deadlift Bench. There's other body parts and other movements that you have access to very specific machines that you don't like a planet fitness. Like ah I'm a person who trains my glutes I'm not I know there's the the whole thing I don't know you talked about in one of the solo episodes where oh it's good to work out glutes as a dude like ah and I Yeah, which I don't care I'll work out all of them. Um.

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Paul Garny

Yes, your adductors and abductors. That's what a lot of guys say is gay.

18:55.20

christophknoll

But I when I switched over to empire I you know convinced a couple other people to come with me to empire as well. Um, and working out with this one gal we hit um now of course I'm blanking on hip thrusts. Um, and. She had been so used to doing it on a smith machine because that's all that was available at the planet fitness. So when I you know brought her over to where the actual like literal hip thrust machine was she didn't know what it was and was completely mind blowing when we actually started hitting it and realized what a different pump you would get. Whereas doing it with the smith machine is just a lot more generalized. Um and it just blew her mind I mean it blew my mind too because I hadn't experienced any of that stuff coming from planet either. But that's the kind of difference in machinery that you get to see when you go to 1 of these more professional style gyms. Um, the one that always gets me is the chess fly machine never planet and I mean we have you know seeded flies at planet. But one of those um you're down on the ground I guess you could call it the incline fly machine where you're sitting way down on the ground. Um, and you just do a fly that stuff I I mean I saw it for the first time when I was down south with with you but then empire has one and we did that at the very end of my last chest workout and it's just absurd how much of a pump and how much you can you know like strain your body on one of those things. Um.

20:29.50

christophknoll

And that's one of the big things that you get to have when you switch to one of these gyms and no this this episode is not an advertisement for any of the gyms that Paul and I go to It's just a general you know public service announcement that you have so much more potential waiting for you at 1 of these other gyms. Um, I'm I'm a little bit lacking on my name recognition of machines I know Paul's able to list off everything that's in his gyms and every gym that he's gone to but ah. Empire has this one section right? when you walk in where it's all like bronzed out machines that look like they belong on like an 80 s movie set and it's completely out of place with everything else and they just don't care about the color. They don't care how it looks some of them are rusted out. And they get the job done and that's the kind of environment that you get to subject yourself to when you go to one of these you know more professional style gyms which I love I walked in and I saw right away there was. It's the first thing you see and it's the funniest thing.

21:34.50

Paul Garny

Yeah, empire is a good gym. Um I went there once a couple years ago during a Christmas time when I was visiting home so it was after I moved down here and went there and um, yeah, that's a solid as gym. Um, it's pretty for for a lot of the gyms I go into it's pretty comparable to a lot of that I've been to um the golds that I go to now is a lot of arsenal equipment. Um, so it's it's all like black and just like black powder coated. So. In that case, you know it does match pretty well for everything that they have but they're starting to get more equipment companies like Jim eighty is coming in more which is Jim Eighty is very interesting. Um, it's for the pieces that they have so far they did just recently get a hack squat finally so I'm so hyped about that.

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christophknoll

Live and die by the Hackswat live and die by it.

22:22.55

Paul Garny

Be able to use that hack squat. Oh I can't wait I missed it by day. They got it in yesterday Friday um, and I did legs on Thursday so I missed it by a day. But next time I do legs I'll be hitting that hack squat? Um, but yeah, it's. That's also the other thing too when you're going from gym to gym is that you're going to be looking for different pieces of equipment ah like the whole reason I want to go to a fitness factory ultimately is because of the the row machine that we used the strive one that we used that ro machine the incline bench machine. We used. And then also the tricep machine that we use the tricep push out machine there. Those 3 things are the reasons why I want to go there? Um, but it's also hard to justify $60 a month versus $30 a month at gold. So um, you know there's pros and cons. But yeah, you're going to be looking for different. Ah. Equipment at each gym for me for me. It depends on what they have at the end of the day I mean I went to elite because they had the atmosphere the kind of like bodybuilding hardcore kind of atmosphere to it ah with a little bit of rust here and there and. Um, small tightly packed machine stuff like that was what I really liked going to therefore but it just got to the point where I was kind of wanting to start going back to Golds Because I had golds and elite and when I signed up with elite I went there for a couple months straight didn't even go to golds.

23:53.97

Paul Garny

And then I went back to goals and started going back and forth and as goals keeps getting more equipment I started going to golds more and I'm just like you know what? at this point I should just cancel elite because I think I'm planning on going to fitness factory soon and I've been going a lot more golds and that's what's another thing too. So keep in mind like when you're going to a franchise like planet fitness. For instance, they don't really put much money into the equipment or their members in particular they they get what they need. And call it a day I have heard that they have to replace the treadmills every like 3 to 5 years or some ridiculous interval like that like because the treadmill really should be lasting way longer than that. But I heard planet fitness the corporation. Requires that their owners replace the treadmills every 3 to 5 years because there's that's their main focus is treadmills. Ah, there's 3000 treadmills in every single planet of fitness. Um, so I think that's I think they have to do that. But at other gyms like golds they. It's a good sign to see them put money back into the equipment. You know, put money into getting more piece of equipment or swapping out equipment for something that um is better. You know if they're getting rid of a piece and putting in something else. Um, that's also that's a really good sign to see that's part of the reason why.

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Paul Garny

You know I'm still motivated to keep going to golds is because um, like they just got this haxquat and now I have this all this new excitement to go to Golds where if it's the same thing over and over again I have to swap at least once a year different gyms because I just gonna get bored of it. But I am also blessed to be living in a relatively large city That's so. That can support multiple gym facilities. Um, and I have the ability to pick and choose I did go to a power lifting powerlifting focused gym which was olympus and ah great people that run it. Um. I think it was like forty forty five bucks a month it was pretty expensive for what it was but it just the communities don't really mesh well together bodybuilding and powerlifting don't really mesh. Well so they did have like power lifting or mostly power lifting equipment but also a solid bodybuilding section but it just didn't really. Mesh well and it just was for me actually toxic. Um, so I left for that reason I had to leave because of toxicity. Ah, but thankfully they had a month to month plan everything was month to month there's no contracts which is great. But.

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christophknoll

I.

26:30.20

Paul Garny

At the end of the day you need to do? What's right for you and if something is toxic like that then get the hell out of there I mean no gym is worth your mental health. So um, just get out of there if something is toxic but um I mean even back home Massachusetts I've tried every gym out there I mean even fitchburg strength and fitness. And that gym is fucking gnarly. Um, they got like this tropical carpet laying out the entire gym and they're only opened 8 a m to 8 ight p m every day. It's the wonkiiest fucking gym. But um. They had solid equipment there. So I mean I've tried a little bit of everything and you just got to find what's right for you and for mio's vanarchy for others. It might be um, muscleworks or whatever it is and gardener others. It's empire. Um, you know, whatever it is so for mio's vanarchy. But yeah, it's you got it. You got to. Know the human body know what you're looking for when you go to if you're going to be picky about a gym. Ultimately.

27:29.37

christophknoll

I Think you brought up a really good point and it's one that we saw one of our friends do actually but when you go to a gym that you might be new to you. Want to go and just even if you don't work out everything just go and see everything that's available, especially if it's one that you're considering about going to um.

27:46.00

Paul Garny

Um.

27:46.94

christophknoll

I'm referencing when we were down at fitness factory and and that's Charlotte right? Yeah, um, and so when we were down in fitness factory in Charlotte you know between you to.

27:53.53

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah Charlotte yeah yeah.

28:04.73

christophknoll

Caleb and I we were you know doing our workout like we were like I was following you guys but we were kind of driving with what we were doing. We were there working out. We're getting good pump and that's what we were looking for um and while all that was going on our buddy Hamel just disappears I mean gone for what must have been like.

28:22.61

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah I don't know what the hell you want.

28:23.27

christophknoll

Ten fifteen minutes and well well so that's what my point being he I mean he told me afterwards was that he just went and just walked around and explored the whole thing just walking around looking at all the different things and and that's the kind of stuff that you should be doing when you are considering and not just.

28:32.77

Paul Garny

Yeah.

28:42.85

christophknoll

When you're considering a new gym. But when you get to go to a new gym like for example, when Paul flies up here or when we fly down there We have the you know opportunity to go to a bunch of different gyms with each other and try out different things. Um, and if you have that Opportunity. You should do that just kind of disappear for a while and go check out everything. That's there because if you don't have someone that's going to show you all the cool different parts of that gym. You need to find it for yourself. Um, like I would have never found I think we did what a decline chest machine. Absolutely blew my mind never would have found it on my own. Um, and it's just yeah.

29:22.59

Paul Garny

I Yeah that was um I think it was atlanis I think it was an atlanis like slight decline press machine at Fitness it was like it wasn't fully flat bench but it wasn't fully declined So I think it was a slight decline I believe.

29:36.23

christophknoll

Yeah, but it was enough to be noticeable.

29:40.27

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, I'd have to look to see exactly what equipment it was I want to say was Atlantis ah, but I'm not hundred percent sure what the machine was called. But yeah, that was a pretty wild machine.

29:49.88

christophknoll

Yeah, but that's the kind of stuff that if you don't explore the gym and you just do what you know how to do you won't want you want. You won't get the the crazy pump because I mean that was such a wild thing to work out with but you also won't get to experience just all these. Wonky little you know workout devices that people have spent years developing and coming up with um so I think that's a huge huge part like when I first went to empire to test it out. You know I I was coming from pf I knew a lot more than what I'm going to say I know more than. Ninety Ninety five percent of the people and ah planet fitness just because of how deep into the world I am so when I came to empire I kind of knew a lot of what I was looking at but there was still a lot that I didn't know what I was looking at and I was stoked because when there's something that I don't know. That means I have to now learn a new exercise a new movement. It keeps me if I'm working out by myself. It keeps me motivated to push myself in different ways. Obviously when I work out with other people. There's you know the the drive coming from someone else and you. Can start to experience different things that way. But when you're by yourself and you just happen upon a new machine you can kind of like look up what it is on your phone in between sets you can kind of start to experiment with different things like the the best example I can give is my ah my dame my only Damon but.

31:21.84

christophknoll

Membership to empire my test drive was my leg day because I go hard on my leg day like that's my that's my one day that I absolutely demolish and um I was just doing my normal stuff and by the end of of the workout I was looking at all the different things. 1 a seatded cafres machine I had never had before and that love it. You can get such a deep and powerful burn and pump through a seeded cafres compared to standing with dumbbells. Um, but another one was a vertical. Well. I'm gonna call it a vertical but basically an overhead leg press where your back is on the ground and you push upwards towards the sky with the leg press that yeah okay I had it right? Cool um a vertical leg press is wild if you've never used one before for like.

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Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, vertical like press. Yep.

32:16.20

christophknoll

First just getting into it and like understanding that you're going to lie straight on your back and push upwards and plate loading that thing is cool because you have at least the one I have has different pegs. You can choose where the weight is actually being distributed I know you and I have talked about that one. We worked out. Ah. Fitness factory with that. Um, was you mentioned it already earlier the one with the ah 3 different pegs for the weights. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly? um, ah basically a machine that allows you to load weight on different pegs that will.

32:41.35

Paul Garny

Yeah, prime it used to be strive now. It's prime fitness.

32:55.40

christophknoll

Determine at what point in the rep that you feel the weight that is not. You don't get that at Planet Fitness and that's that's an experience I feel like everyone should have like even if you just go once and feel a machine like that. It's wild.

32:59.18

Paul Garny

Um I know God know.

33:10.80

Paul Garny

With her web.

33:13.23

christophknoll

And that's stuff that people miss out on I feel like planet fitness inside of their memberships should incorporate a one day pass to some other like obviously that goes against everything they stand for you. They want to hook you forever. But I feel like. Just morally as a person you should if you never change year to year just one day a year go to a different gym and experience all these other random things that you otherwise wouldn't get a chance to I don't know I feel like that would be a good idea.

33:41.77

Paul Garny

I think it's just fun too. I think it's just enjoyable to go try something different. That's why it's hard for me to stick to 1 gym for so long because I want to try out different things for a period of time and see how it goes for like For instance I mean when I went to olympus that was when um, due to the. Plan that I was on at the time I was making the most gains in my life like most amount of gains in my life and I think that was a big reason why I stayed there for as long as I did which was like six months or something which is not long. That's like for a gym membership. That's not long as at all. But. Um, I stay there for so long because I associated gains with that gym because of the plan that I was on and it wasn't because of the gym that I was making those gains but it was because of what I was taking and eating and all of that. But yeah, it's wild to try something different and when I moved down here. That's what I did I tried I got a membership at Golds right? off the bat just so that. Um I had a gym to go to consistently. But then shortly after go into goals I was like man I I just don't really like this gym I'm like we got one like press and um. I mean also it wasn't very experienced I didn't start with my coach now until October that year and a couple of months after that I started out the new golds but at the time I was like man I was like I just they don't really have they only have one leg press option and they don't really got much like equipment in general and I feel like a lot of the equipment. My body isn't ready to agree with and then.

35:06.55

Paul Garny

Um, I went to a golds up in Cornelius which if you're from Charlotte you'll know which one I'm talking about the the um the the wiley lake Wiley was it Lake Wiley Lake Norman like Norman I think it is like Norman um, gold's gym writing Cornelius that one is solid. Then they told me to go to the Huntersville Golds and I was like all right bet so I went like a couple days later to the Huntersville Golds and I was like I can't not go here now and I ended up driving like 35 minutes one way. Um, just to go there which for me is just way too far I mean that's that's like. The overall drive has taken over an hour where I'm not even spending that much time at the gym itself I mean most my workouts are under an hour so um I'm only about 10 minutes from there now part of the reason we live where we live is because of the gym for me and my my wife's work at the time. Was. We're both 10 minutes away from both her work and my gym so that's part of the reason we moved to where we are now. But it's always good to experiment and you know I got to experience crush it col a scene which we'll do you know if you guys ever end up down here again. Um, we'll go to crush it um crush it is very.

36:18.47

Paul Garny

Don't even know what the right word is a really good gym. Um stupid placement awful placement. They did not place it in a good area but um, very very good gym with a lot of prime and a lot of atlanis equipment. Um, so I got to try out there and every time I can. That makes sense I'll drive up there. It's about 45 minutes away I'll drive up and get get there just like how I think you should check out impact fitness and Auburn. Um, if you're Massachusetts definitely check out impact fitness go take a day pass or something there. It's kind of out of the way. It's all the way in Auburn near Worcester. So um, it takes a while to get there. But it's good to have. The experience of those 2 different types of gyms versus just sticking to one gym at all times because you don't know what's out there. You don't know what your body could truly agree with everybody's aergonomics and anatomy is is a little bit different. So don't always say what people say is going to be a good gym as you know. Truth and because you you never know? Um, but yeah, it's it's fun. It's it's so much fun see new equipment. It's so much fun trying something different and just trying it out and it's so awkward too because you're just like trying to figure it out and don't want to look like an idiot. So like.

37:30.81

christophknoll

If this.

37:32.81

Paul Garny

Getting into the new equipment and I'm just like okay I think this is how this works and then I'll use it I'm like okay let me move this way. Oh there it is got it. Okay now I don't look like an idiot anymore. It's like like a lot of the leg equipment of fitness factories like that. It's like what the fuck am I looking at like. You got to get up inside the machine.

37:52.17

christophknoll

That's like the ah that's like the ah Christ I'm gonna at at Vanarchy the 1 time we went way back when um in the corner near I think the women's locker room I want to say like that 1 machine where you. Are pushing against like hydraulic force did do you remember that one it cut if that's what it was but you there was like no weight it was just all hydraulics you were pushing up against yeah.

38:10.20

Paul Garny

All the squats the squat machine.

38:18.28

Paul Garny

Yeah, that what is so weird that one is kind of like almost imagine is like ah good for rehabilitation and good for physical therapy because it's all resistance so you could put resistance Bandans on there but there is like a suspension bracket. Whatever you want to call it.

38:24.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

38:34.97

Paul Garny

In the middle of it and you can change how much like pressure is required to pull the suspension apart. So it wants to come together. But you fight the resistance of this of the suspension bracket to lift away I mean I'd have to do one ah hundred reps on there now to feel it. But. Um, it was a really good It's a really good place like I asked van the owner of the gym I was like hey I need to get better at form for squats. What's a good way and he said that that machine is a good way to do it because you kind of fight your own body weight your squat in your own body weight and then at the same time you squat in that suspension and kind of locks you in place the way that it works so it was it was a good foundation. Um, but yeah, it's it is.

39:16.14

christophknoll

I just bring it up because of how awkward and like first first time loading into it especially with your feet like angled back a little or forward I mean yeah, it's like such a weird like you don't know if you're supposed to go front or back into it. Um, yeah.

39:22.28

Paul Garny

Yeah.

39:29.00

Paul Garny

It's so weird and it's like you could like slowly apply strength to it and it'll slowly open up so it's not even like because like you can't just like put ah a 200 like two hundred pounds on a hack squat and all of a sudden press it with your shoulders. But like this swat machine if you slowly apply pressure. It'll slowly go up. It's the weirdest thing ever. But yeah, that's that's 1 machine. That's like what the hell is this? Um there's there's so many that are like that out there like that. Um there's a trap machine at um crush a coliseum that I tried figuring out with chewy and it was like.

39:47.73

christophknoll

For the.

40:03.54

Paul Garny

You have to like tuck your arms into it and they they said that they only got it just to say they have it because it's a hard machine to find and it's not a good the best trot machine ever is not even close but you'll like put your hands on top of this pad and there's a other pad that tucks inside your elbow and then you like. Shrug that way you're sitting in a chair with a pad pulling from the inside of your elbow. It's the weirdest machine and we're trying to figure it out. We're like is this like a curling machine or is it like like a shoulder machine so we actually have to ask to figure it out and it was a trap machine. It's for shrugs. So. It is kind of fun figuring out these different machines and going you know trying to figure it out and understanding how it utilizes whatever muscle group. It's attacking and it's funny seeing like older equipment too because a lot of the new equipment which I hate is very focused on like for. Okay, so my i'm. So picky with equipment that I actually prefer different pulley systems within cable machines. So I know which pulley systems I like versus ones I don't like and the pulley systems I don't like are like double triple or quadruple pulley systems which take more into account the resistance than the actual weight. So. Nowadays you're starting to see more and more 2 3 4 pulley system cable machines where back in the day it was like 1 or 2 like you were literally like there is 1 wheel and on one end is what you're polling and on the other end is the weight ah or 2 pulley system where ah, there's 2 wheels that.

41:37.54

Paul Garny

You know you can pull from you know up or down or you know when you move it, you could do both sides at 1 time like you're doing like let's say like um, like ah lateral races on a machine. You know that's a double pulling system. So there's a pulling on each side and then pulling in the middle. So that way you can attack both sides the same time even though you're using 1 cable. So. It's weird seeing so manyey like at the goals I go to there's this cable machine that's like 3 or 4 pulleys. So when I'm doing cross push downs for triceps I can only really do like think it's like £30 per arm which is almost nothing but because there's so many pulleys it's so heavy in the problem that I don't. The the reason I don't like it is because each weight is so much heavier than the previous one because of the resistance. So when you're doing something like ah when you're slowly going down in overall volume like let's say you're going like 16 down to 12 reps.

42:35.30

Paul Garny

You know going up 1 increment for each set. You end up lifting lifting like double the fucking weight by the time you're at your last set because of how much resistance that the machine adds. It's just it's so annoying to me. But then you got the single pulley systems where like each increment. Is only the amount of weight that you're adding. So if it's £30 for the first set and you put on you do £40 it's really only £10 difference. It's not like you're adding £10 and then another £15 of resistance because of the way the machine's built. So. I I missed the old cable machines I missed the old style of cable machines. They were just so much better and they're just so much heavy like it's actual weight. It's not resistance I just miss actual weight. That's my problem too with the equipment and a lot of newer gyms. Don't have equipment that are light. That's like that anymore you know, vanarchy's like that vannery is like. You know it's actual fucking weight. But.

43:28.10

christophknoll

Another thing with like when you start incorporating more and more wheels into the pulley system if one of those bastards isn't oiled up or like well lubricated you just feel it in the middle of your rep. You could be pulling back the weight and then.

43:41.70

Paul Garny

Yep.

43:46.94

christophknoll

It'll go down super quick. Come back, easy and then so all of a sudden the resistance picks back up again and it's just not consistent and when you do stuff like ah Paul and I have talked about in the past like time under tension when you're as you know into the world as Paul and I are in your count your.

43:50.41

Paul Garny

Me.

44:03.78

christophknoll

Quite literally in your head or I mean if you've built an internal rhythm that's good too. But if you get to the point where you're actually like timing and like working on the exact amount of time like I'm going use rose for example, like I you know pull back for 3 and I'm letting it go over the course of 2 and if you do that. And it starts to get messed up with because of just the wheels not working white right? white not not working right? then it really messes with your internal clock when it comes to that and your workouts. Um, so I agree I like.

44:26.22

Paul Garny

White.

44:38.10

Paul Garny

Um, and.

44:41.72

christophknoll

Finding older things and that's why you know I've gravitated I talked about when I went into empire and it's just this Bronze disgusting colored old stuff and like that that kind of stuff grabbed me, um, another thing that I really want to focus on you.

44:46.33

Paul Garny

Me.

44:51.83

Paul Garny

Yeah.

44:59.77

christophknoll

So when I was still at planet you planet you had mentioned something to me called like I think they're called like the V bars for pull downs or something like that and or maybe that's I don't know what they're called, but they um, yeah yeah, yeah, exactly. Um.

45:13.84

Paul Garny

Um, are like neutral grip. Yeah for like close grip bulldowns.

45:18.74

christophknoll

Yeah, and I you know we didn't have that because we had the you know the wide bar for lats we had handles. You could do like 1 armed if you wanted to and then we had more um, just the the metal piece I'm blanking on all the names I really should look them up. Um. Actually I have it in front of me. Um, but ah, let's see yeah like a lat pull down bar. Um, but all these things and I didn't have these very specific. Um the the very specific kind of grip piece and empire had it. And on my first back day I think I honestly sat between my rows on my pulldowns probably spent twenty thirty minutes just on those you just spamming the 2 of them just because I was so like intensely motivated to do that kind of work because I had that one particular kind of grip.

46:13.68

Paul Garny

And.

46:15.82

christophknoll

And you just don't find that if you don't explore you rarely don't Um, and obviously you you can't bring your own gear to planet that that doesn't fly so going out and finding these different things is huge Because. You start to unlock different abilities like I know you mentioned going to Fitness Factory just for that row machine like the ah nut machine the ah plate loaded Row. Um, okay, and just being able to do that.

46:40.45

Paul Garny

Yes, machine.

46:48.17

christophknoll

Is a whole whole beast within itself if you don't have that at your other ah your other gym. So really at the end of the day like we mention all the time find what works for you but this is paulinize you know announcement telling you to get off your ass and go try something that isn't you because you're going to find what. Next version of you is going to like um if you're happy for 50 years at a plan of fitness god bless I don't know what to tell you I really don't because that I mean just being able to bench by itself like that. But as a guy you should want to ego lift on a bench.

47:16.44

Paul Garny

That's wallabe.

47:25.68

christophknoll

And you can't post the same kind of like you can't post a video where you're benching on a smith machine and call it 2 25 like you got to you got to go to a real bench.

47:36.14

Paul Garny

Oh it's not even close. You're like like 2 25 on a smith is like one fifty on a bench. It's not not even close to the same weight. Um, just just because you don't have to balance it and that's half of freeways half of freeways is simply balancing it and keeping.

47:43.48

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

47:54.11

Paul Garny

For instance, like bench press keeping each side perfectly parallel making sure your shoulders are betting the right angles and stuff like that where Smith takes away all of that for you. Um, and.

48:01.60

christophknoll

Smith is also lighter too. It's it's not as heavy as a metal bar.

48:05.86

Paul Garny

Yeah, the actual bar typically is less than that I mean if a good smith machine the best smith machine I've ever used was at Olympus and I still miss it to this day. It's straight up and down. There's no angle to it I don't understand why Smith machines have an angle I don't understand it is it. I mean I get. It's probably to like lift some of the weight off, it's not so heavy because it is at an angle but straight up and down smith machine and the actual bar was a £45 bar and what's cool about smith machines like that. Ah vanarchy has one where. It's it's slaned. We can replace it. You can replace the bar if the bar goes bad or starts to bend over time or warp or whatever gets used down or you get a new bar. You can just unscrew a latch pull it out and put in the new bar. Um, and it's a £45 bar so I missed that because you can do like really solid squats on it. You can actually do real spinth machine squats because it's straight up and down. Um, you don't have to worry about the slant. You don't have to compensate for it. You don't have to angle yourself in a weird way to fight the angle of the smith machine. Um. So that's what's really cool about a smith machine like that. Um, but yeah I mean it's you gotta I think you should just experiment I mean if you're you can still get a really good workout with just free weights free weights and a little bit of resistance stuff like that. Um.

49:32.40

Paul Garny

But at the end of the day I mean if you're getting bored of what you're doing and you're doing the same thing over and over again. I mean if you're not having fun or enjoying it Then? What's the point like why would I would not if I didn't love lifting I wouldn't do any of this shit like the I hate the like food is like I don't. I Love to eat so therefore eating chicken and rice and steak and low carbon all of that it sucks I wouldn't do that if it wasn't for lifting I wouldn't compete if it wasn't for lifting or even posing for that matter like if we just stood up on a stage and was like this is how I look then I wouldn't do it. You know I mean for me most of it is lifting and posing and that's part of the reason why I love experimenting with new gyms and going to different gyms. Um, but also to kind of branch into the biggest part of the reason I'm so against Planet Fitness is because they don't support. People who are serious about it. They don't support people who want to truly progress in the gym. Um, yeah, judgment free zone quoted by the most judgmental gym on the planet on the face of the fucking planet I mean you walk in, you got a stringer on nope.

50:32.91

christophknoll

The judgment-free zone.

50:48.00

Paul Garny

Kick you Out. You got a gallon jug of water. They're supposed to kick you out like you make any noise while lifting supposed to kick you out like this is a like I understand that it's not my equipment and I'm paying to use it and stuff like that is you know the gym owners own it. We're just paying to use it for our workout stuff like that. But. They say it's a judgment free zone and every single commercial is the people are like oh I'm not comfortable at other gyms I don't know if you remember these commercials. They're not really around anymore. But they're like oh I'm just not comfortable at other gyms and they'll show like like.. It's like a bodybuilder like posing and like checking out their muscles or whatever or like a girl like these girls in the locker room checking themselves out and calling each other hot and shit and it's like you're doing exactly what you're saying not to do which is judging and go to any serious gym I bet you it's. Significantly less judgmental than any plane of Fitness ever is and like it just it's very.. It's really sad to me because they say oh it's a judgmental free Zone. We want these types of people in here. We don't want these types of people in here. But it's like you're kind of you're judging it off the bat Obviously but Then. You're not helping support your members overall because not at a scene not at any point have I ever walked into a planet fitness and seen the front desk person be like yeah they know what the hell they're doing in the gym. It's just the not type of people that they attract it's just how it is and it's unfortunate, but most of.

52:19.52

Paul Garny

The people that or most of the knowledge that I get from other people in the gym are from people who are advanced who might be wearing strings carrying a gallon jug and like I just met this guy the other day doing legs and nicest guy I've ever like not nicest guy I've ever met but such a nice guy I asked him to just dropset me on Squats. And then all of a sudden he's going off and giving me advice on what app to use to make sure that the bar is going up and down because apparently I didn't know this.. There's an app that you can get in your phone where you set up to the side of you and it'll actually follow the path of the bar so you can see what your squat looks like because your squat's supposed to be straight up and down with the bar specifically. Um, so he's like show me that and he's talking about shows recently because he was a judge and um, he's a opposing coach and all that he he got pro a couple years ago and went through this injury like yeah I would never have had that conversation because he was wearing a muscle shirt and those aren't allowed in Planet fitness. Um, you know it's just it's really unfortunate that the most some of the nicest people I've met in the gym would not be allowed in Planet Fitness The nicest bodybuilder I've ever met is a fucking powerhouse. Absolutely massive guy. The second you talked to him. Dude's got a smile on his face. It's the nicest guy ever met like he just his size Alone. He would not have been loud in Planet Fitness If You're a big dude. They won't let you in which is really Unfortunate. Um I mean you know it is a franchise you're going to see some.

53:48.46

Paul Garny

Variance between gyms I mean there's There's a lot of Platinum fitnesses who are like the people who went there or the people who worked there like I've never heard the lunka alarm. Go off once? Um, but then there's some who really do enforce the rules and luk alarm people and kick people out for Gallon Jugs and stuff like that and it's just it's It's really unfortunate and they're not.. They're not a gym or fitness Center. They're just a corporation or franchise that wants to make money. Um, you know there's pros and cons to it but the morality of it is just not there in my opinion and it's really unfortunate for a lot of the people who do truly want to make gains in the gym and who truly do want to make progress. It's just it's not the right place.

54:26.77

christophknoll

The lemonster location always sets off the lunk alarm and it's they never kick people out. It's always this one short glassed short dude with glasses who does it just be passive aggressive because he clearly doesn't you know he's not as dedicated to the gym.

54:27.14

Paul Garny

It's just not and it's unfortunate.

54:44.12

christophknoll

Craft as you know I am or something like that or someone like me so he'll set it off just when we're doing something like that. But um, your point on the old commercials with the the big bodybuilderers or the hot girls posing and hyping each other out like.

54:57.63

Paul Garny

Um, ah.

55:01.59

christophknoll

When someone isn't comfortable by that I have to ask them Why the hell are in the gym because if you go to the gym and your purpose is to sculpt yourself into a better version of yourself. Why the hell would you not want to surround yourself with those people. Why wouldn't you want someone even if they're in a stringer who's. Bulging muscles that you didn't even know existed like go ask him about his muscles If. There's a gal who's got an absolute dump truck and you're trying to sculpt yourself to have ah you know your booty like that. Why wouldn't you want to surround yourself with people like that so that their their whole judgment free zone makes no sense because.

55:32.22

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, yeah.

55:39.11

christophknoll

You're I mean granted, it plays back into their marketing scheme because they want people to forget about their memberships. But when you don't want to incentivize yourself to become a better version of yourself. You're no longer in the gym For the reason you should be you're in there because and it's.

55:52.81

Paul Garny

Are you.

55:57.58

christophknoll

What I see all the time like hey going to the gym takes a picture leaves a half hour later like or not even doesn't even make it to a half hour but that's the whole thing like people do it just because oh I'm going to go to the gym and they consider plain fitness the gym and they do it just for the little bit of clout that they might get. And you're not actually driving yourself to become a bigger better version of yourself like when I went to empire for example, um, my friend, my friend and I who you know we mean and him are training buddies now. But at the time we just went there. We were deadlifting there. Empire's deadlift area. Pretty nice and we had I think three zero five on either like or three five total which you know for me is a decent amount on my deadlift I got to get that number up but still a decent amount and this dude next to us is doing like six thirty like absolutely just.

56:52.13

Paul Garny

I mean.

56:54.89

christophknoll

An unreal amount of weight and he sets himself up and he's obviously wearing you know, not a stringer but I think it was just some muscle cut shirt where you can see a lot of what he's got going on. Um and he's a very physically intimidating person and. During his rep he started struggle struggle. So both me and my buddy started shouting like up up up up like trying to push him through to help him get that weight up he gets his rep up. He throws his weight down and immediately just takes off his headphones and goes hey guys my name's this how you guys doing like like said 1 of the nicest dudes. And he was like I wasn't gonna get that weight up I appreciate you guys hyping me on he would later try for I think six fifty five and didn't get that one but it's just like he's like like you were saying such a nice guy and like this guy has become one of my absolute best Jim Bros from and not even. Maybe a month ago when I when I converted over. Um and that's what ah, that's what Paul and I are saying like these big mammoth dudes are just people who don't adhere to the judgment free zone of planet fitness are the nicest people. The people you're gonna learn the most from like it just. Doesn't make sense to me why you wouldn't want like for example, Ronnie Coleman in his prime all in noises he makes and all the all the weight he moves all the his outfits he would be I mean he would get out of his car. He would get out of his Hummer and they would immediately set off the alarm and send him away.

58:15.83

Paul Garny

Um, no.

58:27.27

Paul Garny

Are.

58:29.45

christophknoll

And you're telling me you wouldn't want to learn from Ronnie Coleman like fucking kidding me that like that that's the stuff that blows me blows my mind with this whole zone like these people that you're driving away that you don't want working out in your establishment are the people that are going to help.

58:39.85

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

58:48.80

christophknoll

You're right and I'm calling them residents because they never leave but you're residents of planet fitness you're going to help them get their gains by people like that like can you imagine Kicking Ronnie Coleman out of a gym I could never imagine that.

59:02.65

Paul Garny

Yeah, and there's I mean the commercials First of all are just so overly exaggerated. There's no one like that in any sort of commercial gym or private gym or anything like that. They're just ridiculous, um and like 1 of the most popular commercials from them was that I picked dunes up and put them down. And like that's all he ever said and it's like there's no one. That's like that. No one is like that. Um and to be in the bodybuilding world. You actually have typically as long as you're not super blessed with genetics. You typically actually have to be relatively smart to understand you know the laws of thermal dynamics and. How the body works and how you know anatomy works and physiology and um psychology even at that point you know you need to understand a little bit of everything in order to understand how the human body works and what you should be doing. You know there. There requires a little bit of mental aptitude behind it. But um I mean there's a video Brian Shaw did who's. Um, world's strongest man competitor and has one he went to power a um planet fitness and followed all over the rules. He had a small water bottle didn't make any noise was just regularly lifting and they kicked him out because a lot of their members were saying that he was intimidating because he's like six nine

01:00:14.78

christophknoll

Is huge. Yeah.

01:00:16.55

Paul Garny

Four hundred plus pounds yeah so he's just a big ass dude and they kicked him out because he was intimidating and making people uncomfortable and it's like he wasn't actually doing anything actually wrong. It was in it was on video and they were following all of the rules to see what would actually happen. Um, and.

01:00:31.67

christophknoll

I Think that is the the videos like maxing out machines at Pf I think he does a video like that. Oh yeah.

01:00:38.50

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, I mean that's like lightweight for him I mean those these dudes are so unbelievably strongly Edie Hall had that tick talk or something that went viral where he was doing um one of those pinloaded press machines and he was like talking at the full stack he was talking while he was pressing it. And then he lifted up 1 hand and pressed it with 1 hand like the amount of actual strength in these dudes is almost uncomprehensible like I've never seen that in my life. It's absurd. But yeah, it's a good example because even if you are following the rules they can still tell you to leave which is unfortunate because. At other gyms. It takes a lot for you to be kicked out like it takes a serious lot like I can understand like the only thing I disagree with at some gyms is no chalk and it's just because it takes a lot to clean up. Um, but if you can be like clean with your chalk and like just apply just enough to. To provide some extra grip on the bar. So it's not slipping. That's the only rule I disagree with a lot of gyms but like any other rule. It's easy to just follow any other gym is just easy to follow the rules gold is easy to follow rules and um, most gyms are easy to follow the rules and even if you are following the rules of planus planet fitness it doesn't matter.

01:01:50.31

Paul Garny

I mean I don't think I've ever heard of anyone getting kicked out of any gym I've ever gone to besides playing if it is so it's just unfortunate that this is what people assume is how gyms should be because it's not at all. It's quite the opposite. It's a good beginner gym just to kind of understand what you're doing in a place that. A lot of people like that are together at the same time. But if you can get past intimidation and the insecurities that you feel going into a more professional gym. It's going to be so much better in the long run and now I'll preach that all day long and I'll preach against planet fitness all day long. There are so many better options. Crunch is a better beginner option. Um, any goals is a better beginner option. 24 hour fitness lifetime fitness any of those larger commercial gyms are much a better beginner option and a lot of these gyms nowadays too even have like ah free personal training sessions right? off the bat like the goals I go to has like a free personal training session for every member. It's like that. Like that's a good place to start. They'll show you a general idea of a little bit of everything in a half hour so you have you have a little bit of know how? um and but like plan of fitness doesn't really have that did your plan fit is even have any personal trainers. Okay I don't think so.

01:03:01.18

christophknoll

Yeah, there was a garden gardener I don't think does but ah, the lemonster one there's 1 dude he's this one hispanic duty he's the only dude that I ever gave respect to in planet fitness he he does their entire thing. Of course he's working with all the.

01:03:06.24

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:03:18.75

christophknoll

You know, average Joes and Joe Schmos who are never going to you know, push themselves in the way they should and he's dealing with those guys but there's I know for a fact, there's at least 1 in the lemester one. But.

01:03:23.25

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:03:30.35

Paul Garny

Um, okay yeah I didn't think most of them did yeah, definitely definitely? Um I mean my coach went to a planet fitness I don't know if its like a year ago or something like that he was in Charlotte he when to planet fitness in Charlotte it was like.

01:03:33.86

christophknoll

Out outlier in in the Planet Fitness world I would say.

01:03:47.66

Paul Garny

Labor day I don't know what the hell it was. It's some sort of holiday where most gyms were closed to non-members for the day except for planet fitness and I'm like you haven't fun at Planet Fitness He's like brother such sucks. He's like again, such a shitty workout and it's like because they just don't have anything that's. Like even like the weight itself. The actual dumbbells aren't That's not heavy enough if I'm doing dumbbells I'm going over a hundred typically depends on what I'm doing I mean especially legs or chest I'm going past 75.

01:04:09.39

christophknoll

Dumbbells only go at like 75

01:04:20.85

Paul Garny

You know, especially like if I'm doing inclined chests or like if I'm doing like some sort of deadlift for like hams or glutes or something like that I'm going way beyond 75 so like that alone I would be macked like plateaued essentially on that way I'd have to do 5 sets of 75 or something like that on you know, straight like deadlifts for me to really utilize. The dumbbells like it's that's the limit their people in that sense too. Um I mean in the 24 hours yeah it yeah and it's just unfortunate that is like that. Um, but what's cool is that you can also kind of tell like.

01:04:46.89

christophknoll

That was me for my for my ah my my calf phrases capped at the seventy five s and it just you can't go anywhere.

01:05:00.65

Paul Garny

Let's type a gym. It is um because you're bringing up ah earlier you mentioned? um you know keys and how to get into the gyms and stuff like that before we recorded and um, what the vanarchy my first real gym when I was going there the way you you got in. Was you had a medical metal physical key that would unlock the lock to the door. He'd give you a copy of the key and it says on it like do not copy or something so you couldn't just like go to a locksmith and get it copied but um. You could just go up to the door put the physical key in the lock and then unlock the door go inside and then lock the door behind you. That's how it was and the way that Van was at the gym was like you I mean it was like 8 to maybe noon eight am to noon and most of the time he's lifting most of that he was lifting or training people so he wasn't really at the front desk. And then from like 4 to 8 there were someone sometimes so it's like outside of those hours. It was. There was no one there. So um, it was it was kind of wild to see that. But then you go to like a planet fitness where it's staffed 24 hours it kind of also says to me that also says a lot about um. How much money they're making because it's not viable to make someone be at the front desk for the entire night I mean anytime I go to the gym before 6 a m or after like ten p m even at Golds which is pretty popular. There's no more than maybe.

01:06:32.37

Paul Garny

Maximum 5 people in the entire gym when I'm there. Planet fitness is I guess has a different story but it's like that also says a lot to me too because you can afford constant staff then it like that's kind of a red flag to me because this front desk staff is simply for account typically account issues you're not like like almost never am I going up to a front desk staff or anything besides buying a drink or something or like um you know if I need to change something on my account like to card or something or um, signing up most of the reason they have those front desk pupils for signing up and it's like that kind of says a lot about. Ah, how much money they're bringing in that they think that there's a necessity to actually have them there at night which is wild. Um, and I think you know I mean to each their own if. You think that's a good thing I mean I just don't I don't like it's you're it's a business It's not like.

01:07:31.21

Paul Garny

You don't. I just don't think you need people there twenty four seven that's just me. But yeah, it's wild to see that.

01:07:33.44

christophknoll

And it's it's almost counter and it's almost counterintuitive to their exit policy because in order to actually quit the gym and have the billing stop. You have to go in person and file a paperwork in person You can't do it online. You can't do it over the phone and it's to have someone there at.

01:07:47.75

Paul Garny

Um.

01:07:51.33

christophknoll

All times is almost counterintuitive to that particular marketing scheme because if you wanted to hook people and like let's say you know, let's say someone works and the only time for them to go and cancel their gym membership is like eight zero pm around now. Let's say ten maybe Eleven zero p M after the kids have gone to bed.

01:07:56.70

Paul Garny

Um.

01:08:10.65

christophknoll

Drive over there real quick if you just didn't have someone at the desk. You'd be golden. Yeah, they they could never quit. But.

01:08:13.43

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, that was what was hard about anarchy like getting signed up was because you're just trying to find fucking someone to be there like for me was like I'm like I every time I go there's it's locked and there's no one there I'm like this is annoying. But I mean that's it also like. They don't need to live there. You know like van doesn't need to be there constantly? Um, the people at like elite was like air like Golds and elite is how I would think that a gym should be run. You know have someone there kind of early like six a m and then the latest somebody should be there is like probably like 8 p m. Um, that's just my opinion and then when I go into the gym like late at night or something like that I don't expect a lot of people and if you treat it, you treat your members like they're adults and they have access to the gym when they need it and there's a locking mechanism themselves of some sort then I think that's just a good. Thing to have I think it's just a kind of a green flag to me. It's kind of weird that I think that way I guess it's kind of just like the way that I think about it. Well I mean it's like it's weird to me that it's kind of a red flag that there's somebody at a gym all the time because no other gyms like that know it's kind of like.

01:09:15.97

christophknoll

It's It's weird that that adults should be allowed to be adults.

01:09:26.41

Paul Garny

Interesting, no gym has someone there twenty four seven so why is planet fitness like that it's just kind of weird. Um, most gyms who are worth even going to? Um there's not even really like management. There's like. Ah, like there's people. There's like a manager and like an owner and stuff like that. But like the like front desk and most of those people aren't management. You know like I don't expect a manager to be sitting at the front desk or anything like that. Um, or I expect a manager and owner to be walking around the gym talking to people. That's what I imagine so you know just knowing that I don't think I've ever seen a planet fitness owner and a planet fitness is wild to me. It's wild. But that's just also coming from where i'm.

01:10:09.26

christophknoll

So I think.

01:10:12.95

Paul Garny

Where I've experienced as far as gyms. Go.

01:10:14.14

christophknoll

I Think Empire has arguably the best front setup that I've ever seen and I don't know as you said it's been a couple years since you've been there so I don't know if this was the case but that's that's the thing that the cafe store.

01:10:19.88

Paul Garny

You It's the same walk in. Yeah because there's the cafe and like the little store and then you go right to get into the actual gym.

01:10:32.36

christophknoll

Is I mean I don't go in the morning because I don't I teach so no way I'm waking up and going to the gym before I have to be in the building at seven o'clock like no chance of that. But ah, it's um, such an ingenious idea like that for those who don't know at empire when you walk in.

01:10:40.13

Paul Garny

Um.

01:10:50.22

christophknoll

Right? away like the first thing you see like not even the desk for the gym. Not even the bathrooms or the locker rooms. It's this just store. It's ah it's a store and the the door is the exterior door is always unlocked. That's not the one you have to scan into so you could hypothetically just walk in and go to this cafe and it's.

01:10:54.36

Paul Garny

Um, finish.

01:11:09.32

christophknoll

Brilliant because they have real roast like real roast coffee that they'll make a brood cup for you right? there you can buy your protein and your other supplements there if you want to you can buy merch there and it's such an eye grabbing and appealing way to enter a gym.

01:11:18.24

Paul Garny

Um, okay.

01:11:25.41

christophknoll

And of course you know they have their hanging plants and whatnot to make give it like that earthy vibe to the left are like the the full wood coffee tables like this really awesome environment and if you just if you weren't even there to go to the gym. You could have a good time because they'll they'll make you shakes and whatnot and like.

01:11:30.49

Paul Garny

Um, me.

01:11:43.84

Paul Garny

Um.

01:11:45.11

christophknoll

That store has you know, staffed at normal like 9 to 5 hours um I've seen them there later a couple times like I think 1 time at 8 I saw them but they must have been just closing up but pretty regular hours for them and so if you walk in during that time. And there's not someone working the desk. It's totally fine because all the people that run the cafe. They know the owners by like speed dial. Basically so they can get someone in the building for you and that is such a good business model because let's say I went there for the very first time and I'm interested in joining.

01:12:15.14

Paul Garny

Yep.

01:12:23.67

christophknoll

I Could wait for someone to open up the gym doors. But there's cameras everywhere and you could run the risk of that person who opened the door getting in trouble like it's It's not worth it for that person whereas when you have other businesses that co exist next to your gym and use the same door.

01:12:39.38

Paul Garny

A.

01:12:41.54

christophknoll

You're able to access such another avenue of business because you hypothetically empire would never have to staff their desk because you could just run off of the people working the cafe which is a brilliant method because you could save so obviously they don't because they want to have. That 1 person working at the desk and walking around and whatnot which is good but hypothetically they could save thousands just by. You know, not staffing and just running off of the people of the cafe and if every gym did that who your I mean you. Equipment fees would probably go up because you'd be getting a lot more equipment because they could funnel money into that but it would be just awesome. Yeah, absolutely. Um.

01:13:23.66

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's a good business model. Yeah, and it's it's it's cool to see the progression because um, a lot of the people that not the owners of vampire but the owners of the cafe. Um Alex and Brian.

01:13:39.51

christophknoll

There There's a there's a gal that works there now too I think.

01:13:41.90

Paul Garny

nice guys. really nice guys um I think that's cat I might be cat I'm not sure I forget but um, Alex and Brian They were really nice guys are running metal clothing company long time prior to running that cafe and then empire started out when I was going to Anarchy Empire was like. Kind of like underground you either went to empire. You went to vanarchy it was like it was like his weird feud and if you talk to people who went to both. It was like it was either. They loved one and didn't like the other or vice versa. Um, so.

01:14:18.77

Paul Garny

It was cool to see the progression because Empire started out there and they were slowly gathering material and slowly gathering equipment and then they went into the new building. That's where they are now the like factory almost building in the middle of I don't even know what it is lemonster like the backside of leminster. Um, and then.

01:14:36.74

christophknoll

Yep.

01:14:38.69

Paul Garny

Then metal clothing which had like a little section in nutrashop and like they kind of just did their online thing then they opened that store in that building and then ran the cafe and that's when they really took off. Um, so it's kind of cool to see the progression because. It really started from the ground up like this whole organization really did start from the ground up which is really nice to see. It's not like they were all of a sudden because like you only know them now but I never went to empire before they went to the factory because the factory building because it just to me. It wasn't worth it. They weren't at that level yet. So. Um, you know some of these gyms do require some support to get to the level that they need to get to in order to become truly successful. But now that they're at the level that they are. They're the go to gym for pretty much the gardener to lemaster area I mean if I lived in gardener still or Templeton I probably would drive out to empire. Um.

01:15:31.22

christophknoll

Especially with their with their new section. They just opened that you got you got to come check that out when you're up for whenever you're next, but it's it's crazy.

01:15:32.57

Paul Garny

Maybe maybe not yeah the legacy section. Yeah I'll be up in a few weeks I'll be up in about a month so I'll check it out in about a month. But um, yeah, it's. They like vanarchy I mean I lived literally 4 minutes from vanarchy I was I was just about on the same road as vanarchy so that made more sense to go to. But if I lived in garner or anything beyond gardner I just drive to empire. Um, just because it's just worth the drive. But. Yeah, empire never was never huge until just recently I mean even just the past couple years like when I moved down here I want to say that that building was pretty fresh when I moved down here. Um, they weren't that big back then and then I went there in December and at the time was pretty good. Um. From what I can remember. It was a pretty solid gym. It wasn't like um mind blowing like there wasn't any equipment there that I hadn't seen before um but I mean I've heard now that with the new leg section I think it's a like section that's also kind of like cross fidish I think.

01:16:40.14

christophknoll

That's the new sex and the just open. Yeah, it's it's it's tiered towards legs but they've got a whole bunch other stuff like they also put in a brand new boxing section which I'll be checking out pretty soon.

01:16:50.62

Paul Garny

Ah.

01:16:51.45

christophknoll

There's a lot of versatility to it. But in Essence there's just so many squat racks there and it's it's all Rogue plates too. So it's the ah the stuff you can make cool videos with because Rogue plates in my opinion just look the best from the side angle. So.

01:16:56.66

Paul Garny

Um, yeah I wish.

01:17:07.15

Paul Garny

Um, what there are they the like colored plates like what makes them look what look good. They the colored. Okay, so it's like are they? yeah yeah, right is associated with the 45 green is 35 or

01:17:10.94

christophknoll

Yep, yeah, it's it's it's it's the colored ones the the red red Forty five S or whatever. But. Yeah.

01:17:23.31

Paul Garny

No green is ten blue is 35 yellow is 25 green is 10 You typically don't see a £5 plate. That's that size. But um yet when back in the day I wish I wish I can go back in time because when I was a kid. I was doing boxing for a little while and I was like eleven twelve two thousand and ten and I remember walking you had to walk through kind of like this bodybuilding gym to get into the boxing ring and I would spend I would drop some serious money to go back in time and try out that gym because looking back from what I can remember it was like. The backside of kind of where the gardenner library is the building's not even there anymore. The the building was knocked down but it was near the library right next to the library you could throw a rock from the like gardener library and hit it and it ah man it was just like you walked in in the the flooring under you creaked.

01:18:15.84

christophknoll

System.

01:18:17.13

Paul Garny

Wood creaked as you walked and like the steps going up into the actual facility. It was on the second floor and the steps going up to it were like um each step was a different length like that's how old this fucking building was and I would just kill to go back and try it again because that was like. You can't get that atmosphere anymore that type of atmosphere is just long gone and you know it's like that's why if I ever go to Texas for anything. Um I want to drive out to um, where Ronnie went which was ah my god ah why am I drawn to blank. Um. Go to the Ronnie Gym Ronnie Coleman Gym let me look get up Ronnie Coleman yeah what Ron what Jim mittro Metrolex Metrolex that's what it's called so metrolex it's one of those gyms. It's just like doesn't even have Ac running in in Texas and.

01:18:55.42

christophknoll

Yeah, it's it's the yeah buddy Jim that's.

01:19:13.43

Paul Garny

Just rusted out metal just like you hear clang and and banging and of everything and it's just ah that I just missed those types of James I mean vanarchy was like that. But then because of um, the Cdc they kind of had to get to um, a much more health standard a much higher health standard. Um, not that they were unhealthy before but like they didn't care about brain down equipment. They didn't care people lifted without their shirts on stuff like that but like because of covid and the Cdc and all of that they really had to start following these rules and it just kind of stayed that way which is kind of unfortunate because they were that type of gym. You walked in. It was stuffy. There was no ac. You're drenched in sweat when it was hot and you could take off your shirt and lift and um during the winter There's not really much heat. There's like space heaters and that's about it and you'd have to like lift with a sweatshirt and sweatpants just to stay stay warm and like. Half the time you wouldn't even I want to wear gloves just because the metal is so cold when I'm lifting. Um, you know that that's the type of gym I kind of miss because you don't see those gyms anymore and it's just really unfortunate, but we did get to see a taste of that with um fitness factory. It's kind of like that because during the summer they don't really run the ac they just open up all those garage gym doors that's around the facility. Um, so it's nice and warm in there.

01:20:28.19

christophknoll

That was that was actually the point I was going to make about switching to a ah gym that's almost in a warehouse type thing you get the garage door effect which is it's a crazy effect in itself.

01:20:36.67

Paul Garny

Yeah, which is also great lighting. Yeah, it's great lighting and um, it's the the air rushing in is really nice. So yeah I Just miss those types of gyms and you just don't We don't get that anymore and it's kind of sad you know the old bodybuilding.

01:20:50.73

christophknoll

I know when I when I first went to my first night at empire after I had joined not my test night but like my first night after I joined there's practically nobody in there besides my training partner and I and.

01:20:54.29

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:21:00.60

Paul Garny

Yeah.

01:21:07.34

christophknoll

We were both you know feeling it because we had both switched to a new gym and it was just a really cool experience because we both were ego lifting. At one point we just both took our shirts off. Obviously I I texted with one of the owners afterwards he was like yeah I don't do that shit anymore. But ah.

01:21:27.30

christophknoll

It was just such a you know I had always wanted that experience being able to work out in front of a mirror like let's say I'm doing some kind of chest like if it was you know an inclined press or something like that and being able to watch my muscles.

01:21:37.60

Paul Garny

A.

01:21:44.81

christophknoll

Without a shirt on while I'm doing the movement that is such an exhilarating experience because not only do you learn more about your body and your muscles when you're able to do that. But it just is such a cool thing like I got such a release from that because I was able to see because for me my chest is. 1 area that I find that I lack in and being able to see the the muscles move and just actually fully understand what's going on that was such a cool experience so you're right me not being able to go to that is it sucks. But I understand why.

01:22:12.52

Paul Garny

A.

01:22:21.50

christophknoll

But it it was certainly a really awesome experience and I I recommend everyone try it. Go go super late at night and just text to all your apologies to the owner afterwards. But ah yeah, ah.

01:22:31.98

Paul Garny

Is better to ask for forgiveness than for permission. Yeah, there was there is 1 time when I went to Olympus because Olympus is kind of ish kind of at that level but it was just too toxic for me to really enjoy it the way that I wanted to but there was a day where it was a it was kind of like um. Like ah like a heat wave kind of it shows dumb hot here and ah it was was it last year might have been last year maybe like June yeah, it's hot. It's hot. But last year maybe June um, and.

01:22:57.71

christophknoll

I mean it's it's so it's South Carolina you guys get it all the time.

01:23:07.64

Paul Garny

They didn't have any power in the facility where typically they would have Ac but they didn't have any power so I just went in and just took off my shirt and was just drenched in sweat because of how hot it was in there and like some of those workouts are just the best workouts you'll ever get and I just miss gyms that are like that. Um. You know I don't need to take off my shirt. You know if especially if I'm bulkking or have an excess of fat like right now I'm trying to trim down the fat that I gain from the honeymoon and wedding and all of that. But um, so like right now I wouldn't take off my shirt but it is fun to do that every once in while especially once you have like. Visible abs and all that and like like the way you look in the mirror for the first time it's like this is the best workout ever because you actually get to see the progress we made in the pump forming and all of that which is fun. But yes, you don't get stuff like that at planet fitness you don't get to like even make any noise or really enjoy your workout I mean i. Really would wonder what would happen if I went to planet fitness I don't think I get kicked out but I definitely would not fit in that's for sure.

01:24:05.95

christophknoll

I think you and I had texted I know maybe a year ago and you were like it's my dream to just walk into the place and have the alarm go off as I walk through the front door.

01:24:15.60

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, what good would made if they they they kick me out before I even and get in there that'd be a good day.

01:24:28.42

christophknoll

I think um, something that I also want to kind of touch upon. So obviously I talked about my personal journey switching from planet fitness and we've talked about a couple of these other name gyms. But the the biggest name Jim that we've dropped today is Golds Jim and that's for the bodybuilding aspect and obviously like if you ever watch like old school videos of like Arnold working out most of his stringers were like golds gym stringers and things like that. Um, so Paul I'm I'm going to put you on the spot. A little bit here. But if you want to kind of break down. From your own personal experience too. But why golds is kind of like obviously it's going to sound super fucking corny for me to call it the gold standard. But why golds is kind of like the metric for the big name Jim and why like when you make that jump. If you go through a golds you feel like you're doing it right.

01:25:22.80

Paul Garny

Yeah, so that all happened actually because of arnold it's essentially because of arnold it all started in the Venice Beach Golds which is the first one. Um, it's well it's Venice California um, just south of Santa Monica I don't know. But.

01:25:28.62

christophknoll

The Miami workout beach.

01:25:36.57

christophknoll

I why why was I thinking Miami group. Ah the the beach I'm I ah it's I bet you it's Venice I just messed up my yeah yeah yeah there that? yeah yeah.

01:25:39.97

Paul Garny

You're thinking of probably um, well it's muscle beach muscle beach. There's also a gym called muscle beach gym in Venice which is the outdoor gym. Um, it's entirely outdoors but Venice California golds gym is where a lot of those guys were lifting. Um, Arnold Schwarzenegger ah Loof Rigno ah Frank Zane I believe it was there was tons of guys who were lifting at that Venice gym. Um, so that's kind of where gold started and where the standard became that like Golds was like the best gym around was because it's. Considered the mecca um, but then another bit of history was powerhouse gym built by Bev Francis in I think it's Brooklyn New York that became like the east coast mecca so you got the west coast mecca which is golds in Venice. And then you got the East Coast Mecca which is powerhouse in in Brooklyn which I would love to go to? Um, it looks like so much fun. But um, yeah, so it started with that golds gym in Venice and then they started licensing the franchise rights out to different gyms. And so now they're just a big franchise that you know are kind of everywhere in most places that you can go. Um, that's relatively popular will have a golds gym nearby which is nice because with the golds gym membership. You get essentially like this thing called a passport.

01:27:13.86

Paul Garny

Think he gives you fourteen days at other goals gyms in the country. Um, total each year or something like that or ten days or something along those lines. So when I went out the destin last year. Stayed there for a week. Um I was able to go to the golds gym there. For free essentially so there's you know and that golds gym is so unbelievably different from the gold gym I go to now? Um, but yeah, so that's where that all started was arnold and you know those guys were lifting four or five hours a day and then they'd go and run along the beach for their cardio and then go have like steak. And stuff like that for like their they'll go out to dinner for their post workout meal and stuff. But that's where it all started and Arnold's really who the one who like brought bodybuilding to the forefront of society like as far as like popularity goes before. Before arnold it really wasn't that popular and then arnold kind of made it popular because of his like um Tv appearances and stuff like that and then he got into movies and his governorship and so that's where like bodybuilding really took off and then the 90 s got huge. And two thousand s got huge and now it's bigger than ever because of social media. But that's why Golds is known as the um, you know mecca of bodybuilding is because of arnold because of that gold's Venice location.

01:28:37.52

christophknoll

And I think one of the one of the funniest videos. Well I mean for me seeing Bodybuilders run is always just comedy to me because you know to see the size of these guys and their muscles bouncing around. But um, it's ah.

01:28:44.10

Paul Garny

Okay.

01:28:49.83

Paul Garny

Yeah, watching want you able to do anything athletic is fucking hilarious.

01:28:56.23

christophknoll

I watched a video of sebum dunking a basketball and it just it seems so out of place because he's so wide and he's he's so built. But um I watching those old school videos from the 70 s and eighty s of Arnold running in the streets of Venice.

01:29:02.37

Paul Garny

Um, even.

01:29:11.86

christophknoll

I I Want to say this must have been like a post show or post workout thing because there was there's one video I can think of where there's just hundreds of bodybuilders just running through the streets of this and it's such a goofy thing because they're in there. You know they're they their show speedos and then just wearing sneakers and running around.

01:29:23.93

Paul Garny

Yep.

01:29:29.39

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's there's I did see that video That's pretty funny on buses and shit. Yeah yeah, I've seen that I don't know what the hell that was I was pretty recent. It wasn't like that long ago that that was recorded I don't know what the hell it was though. But.

01:29:31.82

christophknoll

And they're flexing like doing doing like traffic control. Ah.

01:29:44.32

Paul Garny

Yeah, that's how it was I mean watching any body bullet do anything athletic is just funny because they just look like a bigger version of whatever's supposed to be like there's ah, there's a photo of John Cina riding a bicycle and it's like it just looks wonky just doesn't look the way it's supposed to look which is funny. Um, but like Kevin Hart had a whole skit about that. He's like why would you be.

01:30:00.27

christophknoll

Ah.

01:30:03.71

Paul Garny

Like enormous at the gym just to go work at a t-mobile like what do you get like dude you won like why are you still here like you're bigger than everybody else you won. That's it, You're done. But yeah, it's the same kind of point. It's just it's just funny to see that but competing is ah the reason we all get to that point.

01:30:07.93

christophknoll

Um.

01:30:20.21

christophknoll

Yeah, and you don't see I'm going to put this at at most the 1 percentile of people at a pf who could take that to that level like. Because you just don't have the ability to and again we're just I'm just shifting back to how much we hate this place but you don't get the same level of gains that you would if you were to like as like we talked about go to any of these other type of gyms. Um, the.

01:30:36.64

Paul Garny

But.

01:30:52.52

Paul Garny

I mean I was going to say I do see people who compete lifting at planet fitness not regularly. Um, they'll they'll lift there out of convenience or like if that's the only thing open or whatever they'll do that. So it's not unheard of. But typically you don't yeah but I mean I seen like guys Instagram and stuff like that where ah like quite a few of their photos on their Instagram for posts are from planet fitness but you don't typically see like um, you don't typically see.

01:31:07.80

christophknoll

Yeah, like ah you you mentioned your your your trainer did that.

01:31:26.88

Paul Garny

The average bodybuilder or like the average competitor going to a plaintiff fitness consistently and I think a lot of that comes down to like um convenience if it's closer and they just need to to go do cardio or something something like that or like tanning beds like it's It's a pretty good. A lot of the gyms are pretty good deal for like tening beds and maha's rooms and then to do your cardio to like start your day to like get all that out and then start your day. It's a pretty good Deal. So I think that's a lot of the motivation for these different gyms. Um, very few commercial gyms will have those available. Ah,, there's a gym near here. That's called the office gym that has a sauna Saunas are huge too. If You don't a lot of gyms don't have Saunas um a lot of gyms used to have saunas but they don't anymore. Um, they have saunas.

01:32:05.20

christophknoll

Move Love it.

01:32:13.69

Paul Garny

And then they also have tening beds as part of their membership like you have to pay a little like $5 extra per month for each 1 or something but it's like that's a huge incentive for going there like I want to go there for that reason, but they're almost 40 minutes away and it's like I just can't it's 40 minutes of highway so like doing the math. It's like 40 almost forty miles. ah one way which with gas I mean you're but right now that's like six seven bucks a day and if I went there 6 times a week like I normally do I'm paying a couple hundred dollars a month in gas just to go there. So it's not worth it. But yeah, exactly so.

01:32:46.23

christophknoll

I Can't relate.

01:32:52.26

Paul Garny

It's just you know that could be a motivation but it it does happen. We do see it I did I did want to mention that.

01:32:58.57

christophknoll

Yeah, so I guess I'm not entirely accurate with that. But um, certainly you're gonna reach new levels going to 1 of these gyms and just I'm gonna keep doubling down on all the. Cool different machinery. You'll you'll find like if you think it takes a while to find and use all the things that a planet fitness going to 1 or 2 of these you know higher scale gyms that we've talked about you'll spend years in there and still just get baffled because most of these gyms also do a really good job of. Bringing in new stuff I know we haven't talked a ton about that yet. But a lot of the gyms that we go to between Paul and I like it's well more paul but they bring in New New Equipment New machinery new kinds of weights and that is huge because for a gym goer.

01:33:37.17

Paul Garny

Um.

01:33:46.68

Paul Garny

Um, you.

01:33:55.22

christophknoll

We fall into routines very very frequently it's like it's just a trait of ours most of us I will say that we fall into a routine and we get comfortable with it and you know if you're getting gains. That's 1 thing. But if you're not you, you've fallen into a routine and that's not great, but. When you go to a gym that prioritizes you know, bringing in new things for its members. That's huge because not only do you find new things to work out with you feel like a member of that gym because for me I went to this pf for I mean I bounce between 3 different locations for.

01:34:19.13

Paul Garny

Are.

01:34:34.31

christophknoll

North of a year and there was just never anything new like I knew exactly what I was doing I knew where I could almost do it like blindfolded walking in and that comfortability is nice and like ah on a day where I really just want to go in and get my work done. But.

01:34:40.76

Paul Garny

It.

01:34:51.20

christophknoll

On a day where I have time to kind of experiment and try some new exercises like having new equipment and not being able to walk in blindfolded and know where everything is like that that is an experience that's awesome. So like I talked about here at empire how we just had a and I mean just now like a week ago last Friday. We had a whole new section open up and you know because of my covid I haven't been able to go yet. But um, being able to have stuff like that is huge when it comes to going to a gym because you get like I said you feel like a member but you you get a better. Experience when it comes to what you're working out like with this new section of empire. For example, we have literally what we I've done. Oh who organized it. It's not one of the owners but it's a social squat night night where it's the seventeenth of November you.

01:35:42.85

Paul Garny

He.

01:35:47.45

christophknoll

Everyone's just going between the hours of 3 to 5 and you just go and socialize while squatting because it's a leg leg. Um, you know it's a specialized leg area. You can do other things there but it's specific to legs because there's just so many squat racks there and it's literally just a squat social i've.

01:35:50.59

Paul Garny

Who.

01:36:07.18

christophknoll

Like I've never been to a gym that I've seen that before and then bunch of people are going to like a brewery afterwards and it's just a social event where you can meet other like minded people and that's just an awesome awesome experience. Yeah, it's great I.

01:36:15.47

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, yeah, they have the young car show there too. The cars and coffee thing. Whatever yeah, which is kind of dope.

01:36:25.77

christophknoll

Never been to one of those but I was looking at pictures of them today and I mean the 2 owners have their their I want to say they're Lambos like absolutely nice cars but the car show is crazy like it's right next to the gym. The gym doors are open. You can see people getting a pump on in the background and then there's just these mul. Like multi $100000 cars just pulled up and just people just chilling like get you a gym that does something like that.

01:36:47.65

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've seen photos of it. It looks pretty fun. Um, yeah, yeah, the the um the elite fitness that I used to go to they would have occasionally get in um, like this. Body fat scanning bus every once in a while. It's like this truck and like you can get like your blood glucose measured your your like hormones measured and then like your your like body composition measured um through in body analysis which is like this machine that you stand in. And it's like forty five bucks which is like kind of cool because nobody else for the offer or something like that. Um, but yeah, they ah it's kind of fun to have events like that and it's because it's it is a lifestyle and you're going to have it's there is a social aspect to the gym as well and I feel like. Ah, Jim like planet fitness because it's like people who they entice people who are intimidated by others. You're going to get less social people because of that you know if you're not It's like unfortunate to say that a lot of the people who do go to plate and fitness. Go there because of insecurities that they have and they want to work on which I'm in full support of but they're not going to other gyms because of those insecurities so they're not going to have social people typically that would go up to anybody and say hey how do you do this? How do you like? Why are you doing this like how do you look like this like what is it that you're doing itself like that.

01:38:18.36

Paul Garny

Where at a gym like Empire. It's a lot more social people So you're going to have an event like that that actually truly works because you're going to have more confident people people who fit in better together like-minded Lifestyle people. So it's. Is a good atmosphere to be a part of and it pulls a lot of people out of their shells if they do finally make the leap to a new gym like that.

01:38:35.69

christophknoll

If I ever tried to organize a squat social at planet fit first I was gonna say first. First off, you can't do it because you have to do it on a smith machine. Secondly the Smith Machines would all be taken because those are the first things to go like it. It just wouldn't work.

01:38:40.31

Paul Garny

You can't even do it. There's no squaw racks.

01:38:50.47

Paul Garny

Right.

01:38:54.71

christophknoll

And but ah, not just for the equipment purposes too. But I would not want to socialize while squatting with the people at Planet Fitness I would not want to? yeah but um, yeah, but you're right about the environment part too because when you go to a gym.

01:39:00.85

Paul Garny

Just unfortunate. This is a testament to how they run their business.

01:39:14.70

christophknoll

Like you know I go to Empire Paul goes to gold and some of those other ones in the Charlotte area like when you go to these higher scale gyms. You can interact with people so much easier like for example, people don't ego lift as much I feel like ah. And like for me empire people aren't ego lifting as much because they don't have anything to prove because I mean the biggest guy in that pond is huge and we are never going to get to that side like me personally I'm never going to get to that size. So I don't have to worry about ego lifting because he's got me beat by miles.

01:39:50.22

Paul Garny

A.

01:39:52.24

christophknoll

But ah I for example, there is a guy doing a shoulder press next to me. Um the other day. Well I say the other day. It was a couple weeks ago because you know the Rona but um, he was doing his shoulder press next to me and he was doing 40 s which you know. 40 s for me isn't even that much weight for my shoulder press and this guy was bigger than me so I and know it wasn't a lot of weight for him but I could it was either the end of his workout or it was like a superset of some kind and he was really like struggling to get the 40 s up and down. And so I said like I was like motivating him I was like come on get those up like you can do this. You got another? Let's go. Let's go and he had absolutely no problem shaking and showing himself being vulnerable holding 40 s doing a shoulder press which if I was at planet fitness like you. Oh what? you only have people that are doing their max weight on whatever exercise they're doing and they're doing it for like 1 or 2 reps and they're not doing their you know ref out like like a burnout set or something like that they're they're not doing those kind of sets and obviously you know that's.

01:40:44.92

Paul Garny

Ha.

01:41:01.64

christophknoll

We can talk about what those sets have in coordination with hypertrophree. But ah when it comes to being that kind of vulnerable around other dudes that are big and you know know what they're doing. It takes a lot of guts and. This guy was like no shame like just struggling along and I helped him get him up for a couple of them and it was such an awesome experience because afterwards he was like yeah man I you know I was just doing my thing I I know it's not a ton of weight but it's ah it's a set that I really need to be doing and ah. I Appreciate you not being like an asshole about it and I was like yeah man for sure and you just don't get that kind of experience at ah you know a full blown commercial gym such as planet.

01:41:39.88

Paul Garny

Um.

01:41:47.97

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean it's I was thinking about like what how I would get down to 40 s because my shoulder press like my warmup is usually like 60 S um so I'm like 40 s but my guess is he probably did a drop set because if I'm doing a drop set on. Pretty much anything usually a cut the top set weight in half. Um, so going from. Let's say let's say I'm doing shoulder press for 80 s I'd cut it down to 40 for my drop set. Um, so that's that's my guess. But then again I was not there so I have no idea. But that's that's a good that's a good story at least. In regards to you know the type of people you experience and the atmosphere and all of that that's for sure.

01:42:29.83

christophknoll

Yeah, and you also mentioned confidence. Um, a lot of confidence on the fuckers at at Empire or you know as you scale your way up through higher and higher tier gyms and that's a good thing I don't want people to think that being around. Confident gym. People is a bad thing. Yes, there's the stereotypical you know people who but can't fit through the door and they make it well known that they can't fit through the door but being around confident people is such a benefit to your own confidence because I mean it's quite literally osmosis. When you're around someone else who you know reeks of confidence you will pick up confidence and that's something that I feel like people should be striving to attain when they go to a gym. Yes, you want to sculpt yourself into a better version of yourself. But you're building mental aspects emotional aspects as Well. And you should want to try and get a better level of confidence and it takes a lot to walk into a gym like that and it takes a lot to talk to someone in a gym like that. But by you subjecting yourself to do that you bit by bit.

01:43:35.27

Paul Garny

Um.

01:43:41.15

christophknoll

Slowly but I slowly begin to you know, build your own confidence levels and no one get me started about talking to the gals in a gym like that because the gals are next level when it comes to looks and they've all sculpted themselves to be you know behemoths of the booty. And to be able to talk to someone like that you need to just you got to be so sure of yourself and that's something that people should strive towards Obviously you can go over the top and that's when you start to become a dick or a fuck boy or something like that and that's not great. But just being able to build your confidence levels in whatever way possible in a big gym like that is something that I think everybody should try and try and incorporate a little bit I don't know if you see the same way. But I think confidence is a part of the gym.

01:44:31.25

Paul Garny

Yeah, well you you typically gather it from the gym you you get more confidence.. There's also um, a fine line between confidence and kacky so you know don't surround yourself with cocky people. But it you know, talk to anybody who's made a lot of money in life. Surrounding themselves with people who make more money than them help them make more money. Um, so it's it's the same kind of idea you know you you got to surround yourself with the type of people that you want to be like um so for me when I'm in the gym or you know just trying to strive for a specific look physically. Try to surround myself with people who look better than me or people who are already at the place that I want to be at because it'll help me get to that point or people who are simply past that point if people who are past that point much further past that point I like to surround myself with those types of people as well. Um, and then like. Overall my friends too like you're part of the friend group like I surround myself with people who I think are better people than me, you know, nicer or whatever it is. You know the the circle to me is different aspects of those people I strive to be like. So. It's better to have people like that around you in confidence is one of those things that if you don't have it surround yourself with confident people because if you're not confident and you just surround yourself with people who are self-conscious then it's only going to pull you down too So surround yourself with more confident people. Um can go a long way and it's.

01:46:02.10

Paul Garny

A good first step is going to. You know if you're not going to a gym that supports that then go to a gym that supports that and see how you feel talk to a couple people. Um branch out, try new things. Um, and even like if there's like some sort of expo going on near you or something like that then go do that. Um I would love to go to the l a fit expo I can't wait to go to that? Um, but I mean obviously that's not super viable for a lot of people but going to bodybuilding shows is another example of that. Um sometimes bigger bodybuilding shows depending on where you live um, will prove to. Teach you a lot. You know the types of people who are on stage and you'll see ah the different posing and what people look for and the atmosphere is usually very positive and very exciting like people are dancing going out onto the stage and stuff like that. So. That's also good avenue as well. If you wanted to get into that world. I mean if you're not looking at bodybuilding by any sort then don't. I mean you don't really got to bother with it. But I mean it's cool to see you know the occasional regional show or national show if you get the chance to go as well.

01:47:06.37

christophknoll

Well I think you brought up a really good point and that you can look for interests outside of strictly working out within a gym. So Obviously you know bodybuilding and shows that's very very much incorporated within the gym but excuse me. Um, just that mental aspect of going in to talk. Well not going into talk but being open to conversation and um, engaging within conversation that. Expands outside of the gym is a part that you will find far easier to do within a gym that is higher tiered like for example I I teach in my you know, professional life like that's what I do to make money and. I've talked about it before at Planet Fitness with some of the people around me just because you know just making conversation while I'm lifting. Maybe I was alone and I wanted to talk to someone, etc, etc and like it's almost like you're casting a line upon Deaf ears like they they nod along they'll they'll make their. You know a little bit of an acknowledgement but they're not actually engaging with it whereas when I open up at Empire I got people asking me like if what like what the process is for their kids to get in like it's almost like networking and that is huge like obviously um.

01:48:27.39

Paul Garny

Are.

01:48:34.23

christophknoll

Networking in itself like if you are in a marketing field. You're going to find success inside of 1 of these bigger gyms because the people they're generally speaking are well establishlished. They're mature people and they're wellestabished like individually whether that's financially or like emotionally. And you're able to you know I'm not going to say capitalized because that's a terrible way of looking at it. But you're able to build connections in that sense. Um, and I think that's a huge part of the gym that a lot of people think is. Reserved for like the golf course because like you think of the golf course as like your cliched like business meeting place when it's not in the office like you go there like or 1 of the betting. That's a big one for thinking about a golf course. But if you open up that mindset to the gym. And allow yourself to talk to others in the gym that could be of similar. You know, build as you or if you're just talking to random people. You'll find a lot of different opportunities there um like well I keep bringing up empire. But if I were to talk to you know.

01:49:37.20

Paul Garny

You.

01:49:45.75

christophknoll

There's the small handful of guys that partake in that car show and let's say I wanted to get into car sales which was something that I was seriously considering like I have a avenue for that exact industry like. You have all these opportunities in front of you as long as you're willing to take that first step and make conversation.

01:50:08.20

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's it's a good point I mean um, it's it's kind of like the industry I mean ah the community I mean as many of you know is just very like if you know you know you know and it's like um, just recently I found out my boss where I work he um. He used to like he lifted in the early two thousand s back when like Dma a was pretty common and pure cows and ephedron was in protein powders and shit like and he was benching like serious weight and I'm like damn I would never have guessed that um but it's like if you know you know's there's a certain kind of. Atmosphere around it and the same kind of people are kind of pulled towards it. Um, you know you typically get more extroverted people going to. You know these bigger and better gyms and um, especially those who are kind of chatting around I mean whenever I'm in the gym I'm not reallyating much. Um I've also been going to the same gym for. Just about 2 years now next month would be 2 years So um, I've seen most of the people Darren probably talked to a lot of them. But um, it's for me I mean I'm not I'm kind of zoned out and tuned into my own thing and you know not really talking. But. Um, you typically see people who are having a lot of conversations who are kind of expanding out and I mean um, you're going to end up getting people like the people. The guy who owns the golds also owns other businesses too. So you're going to get you know you surround yourself with those types of people you're going to get.

01:51:35.55

Paul Garny

To that level I mean I haven't surrounded myself with that type of person. Um I don't really know anyone along those lines and um, you know money isn't everything to me so you know obviously that's not the avenue I want to take I want to take the avenue of being able to live off bodybuilding one day. That's why I surround myself with the bigger. Dudes in the gym and who are lean and competing in all of that. But um, yeah, it's a good point I mean there could. There's absolutely networking opportunities especially at like dosey car show events I mean um I went to this I didn't even go to it but I saw this pop up car show a few months ago not a few months maybe a couple months ago maybe 1 or 2 and it was in Ballentine down north south of Charlotte and random and just pulled up and all of a sudden I was talking to um, the guy who manages a team that um races internationally in the lamborghini jufeo. League like it's like you don't know who you're going to end up talking to if you just go up to someone and like for the golds I go to? Um, the manager got to go to a um emsa ah race I think it was that Virginia Raceway he was going to a Gt. . 3 I think it was a Gt 3 race. Um, because um, a couple of the engineers lift at the golds so because he networked with them. He got to get like behind he got to get into the paddock and he got to go around the car.

01:53:05.73

Paul Garny

And see the driver and say hi to people and get to see what's going on so like he got to experience that because he networked with the people who happen to be going to the gym that he manages so you never know you're going to meet at these gyms. Ah you know you would never guess that this person is you know, traveling the country every couple weeks. To write to for this car that he engineered to this degree that it's racing on a track professionally so it's pretty wild I mean there's definitely a lot of opportunity there I mean um even surrounding yourself with like um. Was trying when I lived in Massachusetts I was trying to surround myself with the crew that like ran the the cafe I was trying to branch into that but I wasn't at the degree that I should have been as far as like physically goes and I feel like that kind of hindered me I needed more time in the gym and more experience but like now if I were to go back. Like I definitely would be chatting more with those types of people to surround myself with because I do eventually want to own like a clothing company of some sort and having that type of guidance. You know goes a long way and you're going to you never know who you're going to meet in these gyms. But if you go to a place that there's not going to be much social interactions. You're not going to get. That type of experience like you're saying so um, you never know who you're going to meet and you need to I think just branch out and even if you just go for a day pass I mean you'd be surprised with the types of people you see and I mean fitness factory is the gym that a lot of these pro bodybuilders go to and they do come to Charlotte.

01:54:33.18

Paul Garny

And it's wild to see like these pro like the golds and fitness factory every time I go. There's at least 1 pro lifting. You know so it's like it's pretty wild to see stuff like that because I'm not used to that vanarchy had 1 pro and he only went there sporadically. But. Going to where I go now. It's common for me to see a pro which is really exciting. So um, you know branch out and experience life in different ways and you'll be You'll be surprised how far you can take it.

01:55:02.88

christophknoll

And I know you said surrounding yourself in the friend group to with better people I'm not at all taking the better person ah list. But I'm taking the confident friend and our night at top golf is the only justification I need for that. But.

01:55:06.46

Paul Garny

Um.

01:55:17.59

Paul Garny

Yeah, it was a sixty four degree day um to actually expand now that I think about it. The reason I'm working with my coach now is because I went to the gold dimma go to I asked the manager there I said hey do you know anybody.

01:55:20.53

christophknoll

There's a ° ah the

01:55:34.22

Paul Garny

Who coaches you know, prospective body boders and who wants to get to that degree. You know, hypertrophy coaches who also write meal plans and all that they they told me to go to Tom and Tom he was at the degree then and still is now where he has to consult like. Not really consult, but like have I guess have a consultation to see if he wants to take you on as a client and now he's like for the past couple of years he's been fully booked with clients which is cool because you have to kind of wait for him to be like all right? Yeah I'm accepting more people now and then he has to pick you too. So it wasn't like oh I want to work with him and he'll just take me on so that was cool. Um, if it wasn't for me going to this golds I have no idea where the hell I'd be like I've always wondered that like if I never went to that this golds and went for like a month before asking and started or no it wasn't even a month. Actually no I went there for a day pass. And I asked I wasn't even a member there yet I asked where the day passed because I started December Twenty Twenty and I went in a day pass in October and asked in September it was September when they opened and I asked and then I started with my coach October tenth was my first way in. So. Um, October Tenth Twenty Twenty was my first way I went with my coach just over two years now with him and I would have never have started working with him if if it wasn't for going into that Golds which is pretty wild to think about.

01:56:56.53

christophknoll

Yeah I mean just to think about where your life could have been and that's that's the opportunity as the listener that you might be missing out on if you stay at Planet Fitness I I feel like if.

01:57:00.32

Paul Garny

Man.

01:57:07.00

Paul Garny

Exactly.

01:57:12.58

christophknoll

You know you get paid from ads. Do we have to pay from anti-adds as we've been trashing on planet so much. But that'd be funny where we're basically getting paid to be um Jeff Ross just roasting people.

01:57:18.68

Paul Garny

Yeah, can we get paid to trash on a company.

01:57:27.13

Paul Garny

Yeah, just just professional assholes just trashing on the people that go to Planet fitness.

01:57:31.60

christophknoll

Ah I mean we're we're we're from the Massachusetts area. So I mean being a dix in our nature.

01:57:38.32

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's just part of who we are. We're mass holes through and through.

01:57:43.61

christophknoll

Oh yeah, man. But now I think this was a really fun conversation talking about the gyms this already has me thinking about so many other episodes so we have a lot more content coming for you guys I'm back and healthy so I should be up and running for.

01:57:50.85

Paul Garny

Um.

01:57:57.90

Paul Garny

Definitely.

01:58:02.34

christophknoll

Future episodes Paul thank you for running things solo for the past couple weeks but ah we are gonna be rocking rolling every single week now. So thank you guys for tuning in and we will see you guys next week bye guys

01:58:04.24

Paul Garny

My pleasure my pleasure.

01:58:13.66

Paul Garny

So you guys.


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