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HGH #9 - No Nut November

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christophknoll

Welcome back to a brand new episode.

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Paul Garny

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christophknoll

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Paul Garny

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christophknoll

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Paul Garny

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Paul Garny

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christophknoll

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christophknoll

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Paul Garny

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christophknoll

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Paul Garny

Ah, just spreading the love spreading the knowledge that we have for fitness and hypertrophy and all of that. So hope you guys enjoying it. That's that's not that just made me so upset.

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christophknoll

Crotky.

02:22.44

christophknoll

That being said, we're going to get into our main topic for today and as it is the month of November many of you guys? Yeah, smack dab in the well all yeah smack them in the middle. It's the yeah 13 yeah.

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Paul Garny

Smack middle just about this is the closest version to the middle as possible for our podcast sessions.

02:41.18

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, and with it being November that brings up a longstanding tradition that men have engaged in oh god I mean I think this has been It's been around since I was in middle and high school I can't. I never talked to people older than me but I feel like it's been around a long long time. But um, essentially we're talking no nut November today. Um, and no not November branches off of some of the other November things. So there's obviously no shave November which is a.

03:06.22

Paul Garny

Nap.

03:16.69

christophknoll

Ah, thing that men do to promote cancer awareness within men because of course you know we've we've touched on it in the past but Paul and I both talk a lot about how men have to you know conceal a lot of what's going on so this the month in November is really one that. Men as a whole kind of took to raise awareness for different things going on. Um, but in the ah in the twenty ten era some Reddit folks took a little took a little stab at 1 of 1 of their own traditions for November and they created what's called no nut November and. Essentially what this is is that for the entire month of November you are not allowed to get yourself to completion whether that's with and another person if you're engaging in sexual acts or if you're by yourself. You're not allowed to ejectulate in any way and this is done so. While the idea behind it is that you will last a month without doing it to show your resilience and your um lack of of addiction to you know, spreading your seed. So.

04:33.30

christophknoll

That's kind of where it comes from um and obviously we're going to get into a lot of the scientific side of things but to give just anecdotal data I used to preach this in my you know in my high school years. There was the cool thing to talk about like. Ah, you would you would make a reference to it and people would talk like I don't know it was It was just something and growing up that you you belong to as ah as a guy and I mean in high school. We even had betting pools like we we we made we we made some money on this. Um, and so that's where.

04:59.81

Paul Garny

And.

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christophknoll

My personal side starts with this. Um, once I got into college you know I kind of stayed true to it. But then in my later years of college and now post college and my professional career I have since abandoned it because you know I've done. My. Own research and I also know that I'm not you know, crazed I'm not an addict so I am well within my controllable limits. Um, so for me I've kind of abandoned this one. Um, so what's it look like for you Paul.

05:47.54

Paul Garny

Um, I mean I've never participated in it I just found it to be just a meme. Um I mean it. It kind of you know, learning more about it over the years it kind of started from the no fat movement which started in 2011 I believe on Reddit it was a subreddit. Um, which then became a like website in kind of like um organizations like a support organization. It didn't it doesn't really make any money or anything like that. But it like kind of supports people in doing it. So the idea behind Nofap was to help people. Um. Kind of get a rid of their porn addiction is kind of where it all started. Um because you get so so much so many men watch so much porn they get addicted to it and desensitized to it to where like you have to watch the most ridiculous shit online just to get like a half cub going and like that's not okay. You can't get to that you should not be getting to that point. So that's what the no fap movement was originally about which I'm all for like that I'm all for that Porna addict is not something you should be addicted to it hinders. Um, your sexual ability it hinders your relationships, especially if you're in a relationship. Um it. It just ruins sex for you in general. Um and it just gives your psychologically it fucks with you because nothing is going to be as good as porn. You know like hypothetically if you're watching it so much that you're like addicted to it. Nothing's ever going to be as good as porn. So um, I'm all for that. But no, not november.

07:18.28

Paul Garny

Started out as a meme. Um, and then it kind of became like all these guys. The reason we're talking about this is because all these guys in the fitness and everything in fitness world and bodybuilding all that are like oh do to like skyrocket your testosterone and you get all these benefits and you make crazy muscle gains and all of that. Um. So we wanted to kind of touch on that and the scientific side to things and you know all the you know any sort of experiments that were focused on whether it was no november or no fap or just simply no ejaculation at all for extended period of time and kind of what those studies showed because. Christoph and I I brought it up to christoph as a topic I want to talk about and the first thing he says was yeah, there's no benefit and I was like yeah this's exactly where I'm at so um, you know I've done my own research regardless of the podcast and found that there wasn't really anything that was solid concrete for benefits. Um, I've never done it just because I just didn't really want to there was I had no interest in that. Um I'm in the same boat with Chris Sau if I never really had any sort of addiction of any kind and um, you know you can. It's totally It's totally healthy to do it. So um, there's really no, it's not bad to do it. It's just when you do excessively. And you do it watching porn and all of that and you just get so delved into porn. You don't really enjoy sex anymore. That's when it comes a problem so I support no fap in that sense. But for for fitness gains and testosterone and stuff like it's none of that's really.

08:51.20

Paul Garny

Backed by science. So we're going to be talking about that today. That's for sure.

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christophknoll

Yeah, and it's I know a couple people off the top. My head who I know actually struggle with a porn addiction and. Completely unrelated from the fitness side of things which we're going to dive into it just like you said it it makes it unhealthy because you you fan it you fantasize Unrealistic ah situations and that just is not a sustainable situation. Um, and.

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Paul Garny

I.

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christophknoll

For your own mental health you want to keep yourself in a realm of possibility unless you're unless your name is Johnny sins. You have absolutely no reason to be watching that much and creating a lifestyle out of that for yourself. Um. Another thing I wanted to mention too the the no fap part of it to promote like you know, taking yourself away from the addiction side of things is one of the positive sides of things but people were starting to claim at one point that.

10:00.73

Paul Garny

Um, okay.

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christophknoll

By not releasing for an entire month you were going to be showing signs of reduced prostate cancer which when I don't know where that initial report came from but people started to believe it and then ah. You know over the years different research has been done and people have started to realize that it's the opposite effect. Um, when you have ah there is a study done by Harvard and the people at Harvard might be some of the smartest people in the world. Um, and they ah. They did a study and let me find the year on this thing. 2022 super recent. Um and they ah they took a look at the um prostate cancer reportings and.

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Paul Garny

So.

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christophknoll

Did their interviews and their research on ah the amount of times these men were actually ejaculating and ah the men who had twenty one more 20 times sorry words 21 or more times a month showed a 31% lower risk of prostate cancer compared to the individuals who had 4 to 7 per month were showing considerably higher numbers of actual prostate cancer over time. So. The argument that it reduces prostate cancer by holding out for a month is completely garbage and I think people should kind of become more aware of that because this whole this whole idea of you know promoting awareness in and the month of November should be promoting an accurate awareness. Not a. Awareness that's been debunked and is no longer accurate. So I think it's important to really highlight that holding out for a month like that is going to if you do this like every single year. It's going to start to really mess with your chances of having.

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Paul Garny

Um.

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Paul Garny

Yeah.

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christophknoll

Well, it's going to increase your chances of having prostate cancer. Um, and we'll talk again more and more we're we're still in our more introduction side of things but there is so much data that backs that if you're not releasing for an entire month. You're. You're just screwing yourself over.

12:31.91

Paul Garny

Right? right? And there's no you know I just prepping for this session I mean just watching you know a handful of couple. Not even really that handful just a couple of videos talking about it. I mean it's every single scientific study that they show talking about the benefits. It's. Any sort of benefits that you hear is entirely anecdotal is entirely based off the person and so people say oh I have more focus or I have more energy. Um, you know I more motivated and all of that. But if you think about it from the opposite side. Maybe you have more focus and more energy because. You're not thinking about porn all day or you're not thinking about like when you're going to be able to do that you know like I think that that's um, a good representation of what these people are kind of experiencing grained when you don't for a while you're going to be thinking about sex all the time. And so it does eventually actually have diminishing returns so like for the first week. Maybe 2 you might feel more focused more energy. But then it's going to become you know all you're thinking about is sex so it's it's going to kind of become counter intuitive. Ah so. I'm also against that side of things as well. Not just to mention that your testosterone isn't actually affected at all and there's plenty of studies that show that testosterone. Um, you know before and after a three week period of no masturbation showed that their testosterone changed.

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Paul Garny

Not like there's no change actually so you know there's a couple studies. There's one that was shown to see if um, they they only took 10 guys for this. So the study was shown I think it was over like two weeks before and after masturbation they would measure their testosterone and their hormones to see if it would change and. Really wasn't much change at all which was kind of expected and then they measured it beforehand and then after a three week period um and they saw that there was an increase in testosterone but they think 1 the sample size is way too small to say that it's representative of the entire male population was only 10 guys but they also say that. They think the reason that testosterone went up after three weeks is because these guys were told that they'd have three weeks of no ejaculation if you're going to wait three weeks you're going to get fucking excited for that 3 the end of it. You're goingnna get excited. You're going to be full of energy. You're going to be hyped for it. Motivated. So. Naturally, their testosterone probably went up specifically because of the anticipation for you know the end of the study. So the people running the study were just like yeah this is hard to say if it's even remotely accurate. Let alone the sample size. So there's really no definitive proof that. Testosterone goes up at all during you know a 3 weekek period of of no ejaculation in general. But I mean no november if you're in a relationship is just fucking stupid because you need to maintain your relationship and part of relationships I tell my wife all the time you know it's a huge a huge part of relationships is.

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Paul Garny

Sexual aspect of things and if you're like if anybody's in a relationship that is not. You know, sexually active or just isn't sexually healthy. It's going to weigh heavily on the relationship so going a whole month that out without it regardless of what you guys are doing before cannot be healthy for the relationship. You know, even if you guys are doing it once every couple weeks that's still taking it out of your normal routine and you're going to feel a little less intimacy during that period. So no november in general is for relationship system and then all of those you know all of us bodybuilders or anyone who's on anabolics you know how. Difficult it is to go even just one day without it. So um, no no November for us is borderline fucking impossible. Um, but for the nat for natural guys who are relatively young. Ah not in a relationship. It's also just stupid. There's no benefits behind it. You're just doing it for meme in my opinion.

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christophknoll

Yeah, and that brings up the a really funny point that the meme side of things that is probably the only benefit to no not November the absolute hysterical memes that we get out of this i.

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Paul Garny

Um, yeah, a.

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christophknoll

I have just a string of tweets that I'm looking at right here and day 12 of no, not no or hashtag no not November and I have attained all knowledge and the truth behind world peace day 12 of Hashtag no nut November this one's great I can make wine out of water now.

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Paul Garny

Um.

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christophknoll

Sleep upside down like a bat and I can see demons I met with the grim reaper today and told him when he was going to die I can walk on water and melt ice by putting it in the freezer like the the only positive side.

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Paul Garny

Are. Yeah.

17:22.39

christophknoll

To no not November is the memes that have come out of it. But unfortunately the memes that come out of it make more people more likely to attempt it which is stupid. So it's it's the double edged sword.

17:30.50

Paul Garny

Right? I mean yeah, nobody's going to like really actually get hurt from it like at the end of the day you're not going to actually like be physically her iious. There's really like because guys argue all the time that there's benefits to it and you should do it if you're especially in the gym and. For fitness reasons and there's just no science backing it so we do I did want to say that is that you're you're not going to get hurt by doing this. We're just saying that it's kind of pointless. Um, and it is counterintuitive in many ways so or just kind of trying to steer people away from it just by bringing it it up because I think it's a good topic of conversation right now because it's.

17:55.68

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

18:07.81

Paul Garny

Smacked at middle of it I mean I'm I'm doing no no no shave November without even meaning to I haven't shaved since the wedding or touched my beard since the wedding and that's already been almost a month so I'm trying to grow it out for the winter. So I'm already kind of in the middle of no no shave November um, but no, not November it's just just stupid. Movement. No fap like I said I'm behind but no shave November is just dumb. Yeah yeah, sorry, no yeah, yeah, my bad, my bad. Yeah and when shade november is great. No not November is dumb. No fap is fine. That's what I trying to say there we go.

18:29.80

christophknoll

No, no, not November is dumb no shave November it's good. Yeah.

18:41.18

christophknoll

Yeah, and I remember seeing a I'm gonna I always feel like I mispronounce his name but Noel Noel um yeah the yeah, the the.

18:53.12

Paul Garny

Diesel No oil diesel.

18:56.84

christophknoll

Yeah, bodybuilder who's got just an absurd social media following he he did a video god when was it maybe it was last year's because I feel like he would have released this video in line with no not November but he released a video um that.

19:01.41

Paul Garny

Yep, Love that guy.

19:15.17

christophknoll

Of course he always takes a super comedic side to his video before he gets into the science which is why it's so easy to watch his videos. Um and he made some joke about um about ejaculating prior to a individual workout. So we're not talking long term here. We're talking short term effects and.

19:19.82

Paul Garny

Yeah.

19:34.58

christophknoll

He then proceeded to get into the science behind why there's not actually any kind of testosterone increase when you do do it prior to work I know this is stretching a little bit away from no not November and we'll loop back in a sec but it's just fresh on the mind but there's a thought.

19:46.52

Paul Garny

And. Yeah, now makes sense.

19:54.36

christophknoll

There's a thought process that when you're getting ready to go to a workout and you give yourself that release you're going to be able to move more weight or achieve a greater range of motion or something like that and that just isn't true like you. Release getting that release certainly does make you feel Better. So Your mental side might be better which is it can be both positive and negative I think that you have to be depressed to get true gains in the gym. But that's a side conversation. But um I think that.

20:27.43

Paul Garny

Um.

20:29.91

christophknoll

Telling yourself that making a you know personal release like that prior to a workout and justifying it by increased gains is not true because um, there's and again we kind of branching off of the overall no not November thing. But. I think there's just so much broscience that's used in the gym world and not enough of it is actually backed so like Paul is mentioning anecdotal data. That's just people talking about their own experiences and that kind of data is subjective to the individual.

20:50.94

Paul Garny

The word.

21:01.80

Paul Garny

Um, even.

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christophknoll

It's not something that should be taken to the masses. So I think that I mean if it works for you. It works for you. Go ahead and continue to do that because hell if you're able to push five ten extra pounds by doing that prior to a workout fucking. Do it. Why not. But we're just saying that.

21:09.83

Paul Garny

And.

21:27.96

christophknoll

A lot of what we're talking about today is not stuff that there are are the the effects that are spoken of by people who claim to have positive results is not scientifically backed. It's all like if you hear someone talking about positive results. It's on an individual basis. So that's kind of a major point that we want to focus on.

21:48.38

Paul Garny

Yeah, and I think that coming from you know my side of the fitness world I think that some of us you know it's so hard to not because libido just skyrockets when you're on anabolics I mean some anabolics can kind of hinder it but a lot most of them I would say to good. Vast majority of them um increases your libido drastically and shifting I mean if you've been on it a few times you know you kind of used to it. You kind of know what to expect and you kind of know how to live with it. But you know your first time being on anabolics and you don't know how to handle that level of libido. Um, sometimes like. Doing you know masturbation before the gym is actually beneficial in the sense that you're not thinking about sex the entire time you're at the gym. So um I think that that's a good way of um, representing that side of things because I mean I don't think you should be doing it for any sort of. You know potential benefits for testosterone or something like that. Well I think that mentally if all you're thinking about all day is sex because your libido is so high I think it can be beneficial to do it prior to it simply because you don't want to be distracted while in the gym, especially being. You know if you're a single guy. It's hard to not get distracted in the gym. Um, you know I feel like the further we go over the years the less and less women are wearing to the gym and the tighter. The clothing is getting um where it's actually quite the opposite for guys. It's a whole nother conversation. But um, it's tighter and tighter and less and less over the years. So.

23:23.59

Paul Garny

Um, it's harder and harder for guys to focus while at the gym regardless of how motivated or disciplined you are and stuff like that. We're all human. You know it's totally natural to look at ah you know a woman you think is attractive and be like damn she's gorgeous or she's very Attractive. She's hot as hell. Um, and then continue with your workout like that's totally natural but like you can get very distracted. Um, you know, especially like I said being single and you know your testosterone is so high. Your libido is so high. So I think that it can be beneficial to do it just for yourself mentally prior to going to the gym. Not. Really for the hormone reasons but just mental side of things.

24:04.77

christophknoll

And I think looping that exact point that you made into the reason why no not or no fap is around because of the porn addiction. Let's say we have a guy who is absolutely hooked on porn and can. Watches it so much and has such an unreal expectation of what his own or his or her own sexual. Ah anticipation will be like when they're in the gym like let's take the the single guy ah example and like if you're going to a gym that I mean. If you're going like empire like me or if you're going to Golds or like fitness factory like Paul, you're going to be seeing some women who are extremely good looking and like Paul was saying wearing either little to no clothing or extremely tight fittting clothing and if you have a guy who's absolutely addicted to porn. The unfortunate truth is that dude is going to spend more time staring and looking and being weird with that girl than is at all supposed to be okay I mean it shouldn't like Paul was saying it's it's unavoidable us like we're we're going to look at a gal. But if. You have if you do not have that kind of addiction. You're not going to be continuing to stare. You're not going to be continuing to be weird about it. So I think that kind of loops it into the greater conversation about this either? No not or no fap conversation because like we're saying if if you have this kind of addiction. You're.

25:42.14

christophknoll

You're going to be staring because that's the type of people that you're you've been watching like 9 times out of 10 the people you're watching on a porn video are extremely attractive and have extremely good like physical attributes. So when you see a. Either a gal or a guy at the gym who is boasting similar qualities. You're far more likely to like hyper fixate on that if you have that kind of addiction to porn. So I think that does a really great job of looping it into the bigger conversation. And why we need to try and distance ourselves from that porn addiction.

26:21.11

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean I I've also I've also praised that you know watching porn can totally be 100% healthy was in moderation. Um, you know moderation is key for most things in life. It's all about moderation and um porn is the same way just can't you can't.

26:26.32

christophknoll

Oh absolutely.

26:38.48

Paul Garny

Let it consume your life and you know there's those scenarios and porn that just will make um you think that these scenarios in real life are are normal. You know like they staring at the gym and like their scenario is important that'll make that sound okay and all of a sudden like they're doing it in the gym and shit you know what I mean. It's like it's these ridiculous situations that just would never happen in real life. Um, that kind of desensitize these guys to it. So um, in the fitness world. It's just I mean no never November for fitness is stupid but no fat porn. All of that. Yeah, you got to get off it. You got to focus on. Um. What's in front of you do it in moderation watch it moderation especially if you're single by all means but don't let it consume your life.

27:25.70

christophknoll

There's a timeless meme about attractive gals in the gym I I Forget I don't have no idea where it came from but it's made its way around our group chat decent amount. But. Counting the lights on the ceiling or counting the the pebbles on the ground or something like that and obviously like you know when we make that joke it's because there's.

27:39.53

Paul Garny

Um, the yeah.

27:49.90

christophknoll

Clearly some really attractive person and near us and we're doing anything in everything to look in opposite directions and um I feel like you know people and well that's okay that this conversation kind of gets a little off topic. But I think that.

27:55.88

Paul Garny

Yep.

28:08.58

christophknoll

Sometimes Gals know what they're doing when they dress in very very you know tight clothing. But then I think they have an understanding of how they can mess with a guy so when they're reracking rates weights ah right in front of like a guy doing a set or something like that. Obviously the guy's going to do anything in everything to look in a different direction just because like societal norms dictates. You do not look at a gal who's right in front of you when they're wearing gym clothing or something like that. So I think that that meme actually holds a shed of truth. To some of the I don't know I'm going to say mental obstacles that we tried to overcome while we're in the gym because you know dedicated guys like you and I to our craft to the gym craft Like. We are in there for a reason we have very specific purposes with our workouts. We're spending the time to do exactly what we need to do and we don't want to have distractions within those like I'm a social butterfly So I'll have conversations. But when it's time for me to do my sets or if I'm. In the middle of a set per se I'm not focusing on anything else. So you've got to be able to take that distraction side out of it so counting the lights on the seat like if you're doing a chest press with dumbbells count the lights in the ceiling if you like.

29:38.58

christophknoll

Yeah, that's there's actually like a shed of truth to these memes I don't know I I think it's a funny thing to think about.

29:43.50

Paul Garny

Yeah know I agree. Yeah I'm ah I'm on the I'm on the same page with you I mean it's especially like when you're new to the gym and you're going to a relatively popular gym. Um, it could be kind of daunting the kind of people you see. And guys and girls like there are some attractive as people these gyms and it's it's you got you get used to it. You know, um and then also at the same time. 1 thing I've noticed too is that like going from one area to the next will change the way people look to like going from gardener. Massachusetts to Charlotte North Carolina just a completely different level of guys and girls in the gym. it's it's insane um it's kind of oh oh I'm sure. Yeah especially if you're going to. You know if you're talking about.

30:23.19

christophknoll

I mean going from going from gardner to lemonster is already a change.

30:32.99

Paul Garny

Vanarchy or planet or something like that versus empire which is much more popular Jim in that area. That's for sure. Um, but they come in here. It's like it's it's wild the type of different people you see and like I remember back in mass like even just bodybuilding in general there was like. A couple local pros that you'd see every once in a while it's rare for me to be in the gym and not see a pro now like that's just the norm. So um, as far as female prose. It's not that common because a lot of women are not into bodybuilding and of any sort even bikini. So. I don't see a lot of female pros necessarily but a lot of male pros um is pretty common too. So it's like you see this next level of dudes in the gym and some dudes like are just yeah anyways like some dudes are just massive and it's just like I've never fucking seen that shit before and some women are just the same way. It's like. What like it's like how is that possible? Um, but I mean it's that's just that's just the industry that's just the world that we live in um and you know to your effect I mean you just learn to not look and you learn to just stay focused and. Put blinders on like a horse you know, just put some blinders on get tunnel vision and just focus on what the hell you're doing. But if you're new to fitness industry and not really know what you're doing I mean especially if you're you know teenager broccoli head motherfucker then you're going to be.

31:59.18

Paul Garny

Experiencing some wild um emotions and feelings when you're in the gym and um, it could be hard to not get turned on looking at some of these people. So no no november is only going to make that harder because you're gonna like I said just kind of intuitive you're going to think about sex more and more and being in the gym is just going to make you want like you're like. Almost feel like I mean I don't know if there's any science backing it. But I feel like testosterone and libido goes up naturally when you're lifting. Um like when you get a pump and all of that. So I feel like if you're getting a pump and you see like in your like 18 you're getting your like you know. You're in the gym for like a few months and you've only got a couple of pumps and you get a pump and Allison this girl walks by like yeah good luck. Good luck not like getting ah an erection right? then and there um so no November November would just make that even harder. So.

32:49.53

christophknoll

Well, there's ah, there's a quote from arnold back when he was in his I want to say it was after his first or second Olympia but he said that ah he he appreciates a pump more than he does coming.

33:03.26

Paul Garny

I Remember that.

33:05.31

christophknoll

He literally said that when he's in the gym like and the example that he uses is his biceps because you know man had the greatest biceps of all time. But um, yeah, but he was saying when he trains like biceps or example and he gets a bicep pump and he looks at that pump.

33:15.56

Paul Garny

That's up there definitely up there.

33:24.46

christophknoll

For him. It is more rewarding to see that pump than it is to finish with a woman which I I heard that and I you know at first I was like that's crazy. There's no way that's real and then when you know I made the change to this real gym and I got that. I think it was my first or second chess day that I did there and I got just a gnarly chest pump and like for me I have like chest is one of my areas that I struggle with like that I need to build more size on so to get the pump for my chest.

33:55.96

Paul Garny

Um I guess.

33:58.22

christophknoll

I I immediately resonated with what Arnold was saying there because I honestly appreciated that way more than I did being with a woman and of course that's where you know there's an ego side of thing to that as well. But it's healthy to you know, appreciate your own pump. But um, you also brought up a really really funny point with um talking about if you are you know fasting from the release with no not November and you get turned on in the gym if you're wearing anything other than baggy ass sweatpants. There's no hiding. There is.

34:35.92

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, people now think.

34:37.19

christophknoll

Absolutely no hiding if you get hard in the gym like especially especially like for me like when I like for example, when I train legs or if it's a hot day. My gym shorts. The insim is so far up like like there is just nowhere for me to hide. So if you are just. Putting yourself in a detriment where you know you're going to get turned on because you're not giving yourself that release outside of the gym you're you're going to put yourself in some real uncomfortable situations at the gym which is not I mean you're not supposed to be doing that at the gym like you're there for either. And getting your workout if you'd want to try and talk to someone in the gym like for the purpose of getting their number. Whatever that's fine. But imagine you go up, you've you've been fasting for let's say what it's the it's the thirteenth today so let's say you've been fasting for thirteen days from the release. You've got all this built up fucking aggression inside of you because that's another thing like you get an anger aggression built up when you don't get that release and let's say you take all that and you walk right up to this fine looking girl and you try and talk to her and then all of a sudden boom you just you're there like that. 1 would become one of the most uncomfortable situations of all time and 2 you probably like I mean I don't think you can get kicked out of the gym. Well actually you might be able to get kicked out of the gym for something like that like you're just putting yourself in a hole that is very very deep if you do something like that.

36:05.48

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, you don't want to put yourself in a situation like that. Um, but to add on to what Arnold said I mean I get where he's coming from because he was saying that it's better than coming like get in a pump is better than coming but I think I mean you can't to me, you can't really compare it. Um, because coming for a guy. It's kind of like a release. Um you know everything? It's like pressure that builds up and then releases where pump is like I can't even really describe it. It's like a balloon filling up like you can't really like describe a good pump. Um.

36:36.39

christophknoll

Oh there's no, no, no, no, there's there's a way to describe it. Oh man, what's his name. Um, it's ah he's he's a bodybuilder. He's got a beard and he always wears a thick Headband that says some shit on it and he goes he goes listen a pump.

36:42.94

Paul Garny

I Don't know Oh yeah, the the yeah I know you talked about.

36:54.26

christophknoll

Is like a Bona for your whole body.

36:55.80

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's I mean it's the same kind of thing. It just has it's just is blood flow. That's all it is it just blood flow. But I mean when you get like like a skin splitting like insane pump chest biceps I mean legs. And sort of pump along those lines even shoulders like any sort of pump it. You can't really compare it to sex because is to me it' drastically different but I could see it go in both ways I could see someone who would prefer a pump versus someone who prefers sex I mean. Obviously to me sex is you can't even like that's so much better than getting a pump in the gym but pumps in the gym are amazing and they are they release an insane amount oforphins and I mean the first time you get like and you get a pump where like your muscle group actually turns purple. That's also a huge but milestone as well. I mean there is a couple times for me specifically. Um, my chest is decent and I grow pretty well on chest. So my pumps and chests are solid whenever I actually really go for a pump focused workout which isn't that often but sometimes I will. And when I do like making it turned purple and just feel like like you can't even like I can't even like reach across my body like getting in my car and like I can't even put my seat belt on I have to like turn sideways to like grab my seatbelt and put that on that's a good feeling to have but um to me, it's nothing compared to sex. Um.

38:22.41

Paul Garny

But I can understand were kind of um, kind of understand where Arnold's coming from at least but that is a big quote that he's had for a while that everybody a lot of people reference all the time is that get the poem of the gym is better than coming.

38:35.39

christophknoll

Yeah, and I was just digging around trying to see if um, excuse me. Um I was just digging around trying to see if I could find any kind of research back data to show a. Hormonal increase when posing because if you think about a ah a pump like and in order to you know, accentuate that pump you need to do a pose like if you just trained arm and you like if you just train biceps and you really want to show.

38:49.65

Paul Garny

Things.

39:05.95

christophknoll

Yourself that pump you need to do like a front double bicep or something like that in order to actually see like all the different results. So I was trying to find research to back that there's some kind of hormonal release when you do a pose. Um, and there is nothing.

39:16.89

Paul Garny

Um, and.

39:24.34

christophknoll

Specific to um, working out posing but power posing. You know what that shit is power posing is like being taking a confidence stance So like obviously the mean the meme is like teaposing but I'm talking like if you're.

39:29.65

Paul Garny

I Have no idea.

39:35.91

Paul Garny

Oh my likes.

39:43.62

christophknoll

Like let's think like stage presence for like a Politician you know how they always have their they they have like a presence up there. That's power posting basically and there is actually research based which I hate but there's actually research based data to show that there is um.

39:50.70

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

40:02.76

christophknoll

Well proper posture is more so what they're linking it to but proper posture will um, lead to hold on I have it here in front of me the researchers found that 2 minutes of high power posing lowered the stress hormone cortisol and increased levels of testosterone from.

40:19.88

Paul Garny

So.

40:22.69

christophknoll

Um, power Posing. So I figure there has to be some link in the gym world to ah you know doing like a side like a side chest like you do a good chest Day. You got a nice Pump. You do a side chest that there has to be some correlation to a testosterone or. Testosterone Boost or like that was saying stress hormone being decreased but I feel like you just get some kind of a like an actual endorphin boost when you feel good about yourself. So There has to be some kind of correlation.

40:58.81

Paul Garny

See what I was going to say was I think it's either endorphins or dopamine like when you get when you're working on a pose for a while and it finally clicks like how it's supposed to look um and you get something just right or like something changes that you notice it. Um, that's a huge dopamine hit.

41:04.67

christophknoll

A.

41:15.64

Paul Garny

Um, So that's what I was going to argue is that it probably wasn't necessarily testosterone. It's more you know, ah dopamine or endorphins because you can't just like alter testosterone like immediately just from feeling something or like doing something like that. Um you won't really feel like an increase like that but like dopamine or endorphins or. Something along those lines. Um, even cortisol, it's like kind of arguable if you even feel cortisol change immediately. Um is more just an overall effect throughout the day. Um, but yet dopamine endorphins are immediate. So um, that's definitely up there.

41:49.70

christophknoll

Yeah I don't I don't think you can feel your stress level decrease I think it just happens and it's it's almost like I mean this is a terrible comparison but it's almost like a blackout like you. You just come out of it whenever it happens like.

42:04.66

Paul Garny

Um, it.

42:07.46

christophknoll

Like I don't know I just feel like with with stress levels. If you're very stressed. You're not going to notice that you're not stressed until well after the fact.

42:14.75

Paul Garny

Yeah, you're only going to notice when you are stressed. It's not like it's like you all of a sudden just like a a wave comes over you know all of your stress is gone Nothing really like that it just kind of slowly dissipates and I feel like lowering cortisol levels in general it' just kind of kind of you just got to notice your your.

42:23.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

42:33.20

Paul Garny

Less stressed over time is it's yeah, that's I agree with that point at least.

42:39.57

christophknoll

Yeah, but I mean when we talk like dopamine is is that social um aspect that we talked about when if you. You need more information on hormones please reference one of our previous episodes in which we discuss all sorts of hormone levels I believe that's episode 5 but I could be wrong on that. But that being said, dopamine is that you know.

42:54.78

Paul Garny

Even.

43:05.20

christophknoll

That that social aspect so I don't know about you but when I do posing I generally have like I have a tripod but I generally have a camera person that finds angles finds good downlighting for me finds or sometimes we'll take the camera and do like 3 60 on my poses. So I have videos as well. Um, and so when that happens I'm of course going to have a dopamine increase because I feel a social connection to the experience I feel that because there's someone else there. I'm not just impressing myself but I could be potentially impressing another person and that makes me feel good. So I think that that is also a big part of the posing. But how the hell did we get here from no not November man that's great.

43:41.56

Paul Garny

Are you.

43:53.69

Paul Garny

Yeah I know you did kind of drift a bit. We did definitely drift. But yeah know I mean I agree with all of that and um I think that at the end of the day. No not November is not something that many guys will ever benefit from um I mean even talking from. Like so there's a video more plates more dates talks specifically about Nofap I think it's a really good video to kind of give the gist of everything it's about 14 minutes long I think but he talks about it from bodybuilder's perspective and he's like when you're hyped up on you know testosterone Dt's um alpha nine nos like stuff like that like you're going to um your your libido's going be through the fucking roof and like I can't quite explain like if you've been on anabolics. You'll know what I'm talking about but I can't quite explain the level of libido that you get to? um, it's like. Like it's imagine like you're hitting the gym for like a year straight and then all of a sudden so I kind of I kind of experienced borderline anabolic results when covid hit for the first time because I was in the gym consistently at least six days a week a lot for a while is doing seven days a week which is just dumb. You shouldn't be doing seven days a week but um I was in the gym for at least six days a week and then all of a sudden I moved to Colorado and that was like right? The start of covid. So even back home gyms were shut down. So for 2 months I couldn't hit the gym and then when I moved to Charlotte gyms were open here when I moved here so I immediately started going back to the gym and because like everything was going back to normal physically with me.

45:24.67

Paul Garny

Ah, my test asone spiked and I mean I don't I don't actually hundred percent know if it did necessarily because I didn't get any bloodwork done but at the same time. Um I could drastically feel a difference in my libido and it's like you. That's the only time of. Before anabolics I ever experienced anything remotely close to anabolics and it's like when you're on testosterone. Um, and you're you're lowering your estrogen through an ai of some sort. Um which is an aromatase inhibitor um lowers your estrogen um because when you produce tech. When you have more testosterone your body the male body also produces more estrogen so you got to lower the estrogen but also keep up the testosterone so that's what ai does. Um, so when you take an Ai and something that increases it just like test your libido just is through the damn roof like I can't like you could probably. Have sex 3 4 Times a day and just about be satisfied um to not think about sex all day. Um, you do kind of learn ways of coping with it and ways of not think about sex all day but it's like it's just it really hinders you at first and it's something you really got to get used to. Um, that's just one of the effects of testosterone or you know anabolics in general and it's going to happen. Um, regardless of what you're taking pretty much um, but it's something that we have all all of us who've taken abolics have had to work with um.

46:55.69

Paul Garny

And it can definitely hinder relationships too. You got to be careful on anabolics because um, you're going to have different requirements in the bedroom than your partner is going to have um and that's something you're going to have to be okay with I mean very very few. Women out there will ever be able to keep up with a bodybuilder as far as sexually. Um, that's why so many bodybuilders end up with female bodybuilders because they have a similar sex drive especially female bodybuilders who are on testosterone. Um, they don't take as much not nearly as much as guys take but there are female bodybuilders who take testosterone. Um, and that's why some of those relationships work really well is because um, their sexual drive is in the same ballpark. Um, so you know being on anabolics is just like just getting through no November would sound like actual fucking torture. Um like actual hell. Feel like hell to me would just be taking five hundred megs a test and not being able to have sex at all like that sounds like actual hell to me um's you just can't stop thinking about it. Your anger starts going up your irritability starts going up all of your emotions get worse. Um. And to to add to that too something that people don't talk about when it comes to no not November is men are biologically built to ejaculate on a regular basis. There is a reason we want to do it every day or a lot of guys. Want to do it every day.

48:26.75

Paul Garny

Biologically, we're supposed to do it like this is what's supposed to happen. Um, you know, especially if you know back in the day when men were out hunting and protecting the tribe and stuff like that. There were a lot more women than there were men because men were being killed while hunting. Um, and men were being killed protecting the tribe while fighting wars and stuff like that. So there were more women than there were men so men biologically were built so that we can impregnate more women. Um, you know a guy can impregnate essentially as many women as he wants every year where only women can really get pregnant once a year essentially so that's how we're built so to say that we're supposed to go a month without doing it like that's entirely against our biological you know responsibilities to our species. So it's It's completely counterintuitive. So not even is it. There's no evidence supporting it supporting any sort of actual data that it's beneficial in any way. It's actually um, inhibiting a lot of shit and making your prostate cancer chances worse. Um, you know it's. Not not just that is also just doesn't actually biologically make any sense for women. It's a lot easier I mean it's that's going to be more anecdotal but women. It's easier for them to go longer without sex because they're not built to do it every single day. They're not. That's not how they're built. Um, so for guys.

49:52.38

Paul Garny

It's it's a very different world and I think that um you know ejaculation is a very normal thing to do and it's a very mental thing as well. I mean you need to you need to have that sort of release and I think that um without it. It's going to actually hurt you mentally um I mean just talking about post-net clarity I mean. Every single guy knows exactly what postnet clarity is and it's like you could be laying there after it and you just you could feel like you could solve world hunger or like like that's like the best like postnet clarity is a phenomenal feeling so like just not having that alone like just having that like escape from your mind for a minute. Um, is also going to hinder you as well. I mean you're just going to be pent up inside. You're going to have all this pressure built up in your head of everything and you're not going to have that release and it's just not healthy. It's just like the gym if you don't go to the gym for a month you're going to get a lot of anger and irritability built up and then all of a sudden. Like you go after a month and you're saying oh yeah, going to without not going to the gym for a month is beneficial you know not having some sort of physical activities. But it's not It's yeah, maybe you might get some sort of rest for your body but at the end of the day I mean one or two weeks without it will benefit. Just as much as a month and after a month I mean or close to a month you're probably going to start getting um, diminishing returns and having it start being worse for you so the same kind of thing goes for that. So that's my entire stance on it and I just think that it's it's a stupid movement at the end of the day and you got to do? What's right for you and I think that.

51:25.22

christophknoll

Paul you win the ah you win the two two billion dollar powerball what's the first thing you're doing.

51:25.30

Paul Garny

Ejaculate.

51:31.68

Paul Garny

What first thing I'm doing oh okay, yeah yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, let me just yeah, that would yeah.

51:33.37

christophknoll

Post not put post not clarity. That's that's what we were going with that. You would be you win. You wouldn't the highest powerball in history and you need to clear the mind a little bit.

51:49.89

Paul Garny

Yeah, you got to calm. Yeah, yeah, definitely so you don't do anything fucking rash. Um, like yeah I remember Joe Rogan and Andrew Schulz are talking about about post not clarity because they're like when you're on a date with a girl um and like. Or like you're dating a girl and you're not sure you you like her or not um, sometimes like it's sad, but like sometimes you guys have sex for the first time and you realize you don't actually like her or you're just horny which is fucking sad. But that's post not clarity for you. You know your mind you do a lot of stupid shit just to get that you know release and.

52:13.79

christophknoll

Her.

52:23.36

Paul Garny

You know that Postnet clarity kind of opens up your mind a lot so that would be that would be a good idea Actually thatd be I would even know what I I mean I play That's a good idea for powerball and then also I would shut off my phone I would escapee reality until I can cash that check. Um, and then I.

52:35.36

christophknoll

Oh yeah, oh yeah.

52:42.79

Paul Garny

Pop back up because I don't want anybody trying to take that shit from me I'd sign the back of it too. That's the first you need to you sign the back of it. Um, but yeah, that's a good point post not clarity for that would be would be better very beneficial.

52:55.95

christophknoll

Ah, there was another point somewhere in there that I was going to make but um, another thing like you brought up. Ah how your testosterone levels like you can't feel the the stress ah levels dislike the the cortisol levels to diminishing. But you can feel increased testosterone like you were saying how you didn't get blood work done but you could just feel your testosterone levels rising that? yeah that is linked to confidence as well because when you're test. Ah and I mean this is anecdotal data from my own perspective. But.

53:19.90

Paul Garny

Yeah, over time.

53:33.70

christophknoll

When my testosterone levels get elevated. So let's say I like have a really good week in the gym like things are going well in my professional life and like my diet is good like those are the big 3 for me. So let's say for some somehow all 3 of those line up and I know my testosterone levels are going to be slightly elevated.

53:43.42

Paul Garny

Beginning.

53:52.79

christophknoll

Um, I just feel far more confident than I do in a normal situation and to take away like obviously I need the release of of this of this what we've been talked about with no not November I need that release in order to keep.

53:56.00

Paul Garny

Yeah.

54:11.81

christophknoll

My mental side intact and so in order to do that and have those things those 3 line up I will then immediately start to see direct results of you know confidence levels rising. Maybe i've.

54:14.10

Paul Garny

Um, okay.

54:27.92

christophknoll

Start to perform better in my professional life like when I'm on a role doing what I do to make money like you. You can directly feel results from those ah particular Avenues. So I Think that's a really important thing to to note because. If you're if you're putting yourself in a situation where you're deliberately building up more stress and deliberately building up more tension for yourself by fasting from the release your fuck. Yeah I mean.

54:58.29

Paul Garny

Are a.

55:02.69

christophknoll

It's not directly fucking up your testosterone levels but you're not going to be able to see at the increase that we're talking about that's more so. My point like without blood work obviously like just self-regulating and self-monitoring. You can feel when your levels are higher. And you won't be able to tap into that same kind of felon if you are you know are deliberately hindering yourself like which is again why this is such a fucking stupid thing like no not November is ridiculous I don't know.

55:23.24

Paul Garny

Um.

55:36.23

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean I'm in the same boat I mean you just it's not beneficial. Um, that is a really biggest thing that we want to talk about today. Um, there's something else was going to add to damn it I forget now because you were talking about.

55:49.46

christophknoll

Well I was I was also going to bring up that um when you ah when you when you don't release for. Let's say you go thirty days into the entire. No not November and you.

55:52.24

Paul Garny

How confident this was gonna bring up, go ahead.

56:05.76

christophknoll

Don't have any release during that time you will have been aroused at some point during that month there is no chance in hell. Especially if you're a dude that you went an entire month without getting aroused like just no chance, especially if you're in the gym war like if you're listening this podcast I'm gonna say where you're.

56:06.15

Paul Garny

Are.

56:16.40

Paul Garny

Right.

56:24.59

christophknoll

Like so at least 70% of our people are gym goers because why else would you be listening this but um, yeah, at least that percentage so you are in the gym and you know you're gonna be seeing like if you're a guy you know you're gonna be seeing at least 1 gal that you find a physical attraction to.

56:28.85

Paul Garny

Um, I mean at least at least that percentage.

56:42.97

christophknoll

At least once during an entire month even if you're only going like 2 or 3 days a week. You cannot tell me I'm wrong in that and if you are spending an entire month getting aroused and not giving yourself the release this is when and I'm going to use some big words here. But ah science backed epidytmal hypertension which is the science words for saying you got blue balls and that's a real thing and it's really fucky it does and to kind of just explain.

57:13.14

Paul Garny

Um, fucking sucks. We all sucks.

57:22.52

christophknoll

What that is I'm going to use the science term again because I like saying this. It's a fun word to say but epididtmal hypertension is when you have ah a blood buildup down in your in your Ben and Jerry's because when you get aroused I mean.

57:29.45

Paul Garny

But.

57:36.83

Paul Garny

A.

57:42.36

christophknoll

If you do not understand how the human anatomy works when you become aroused blood rushes down to that part of your body that is how that works. It's exactly why we're talking about how a pump is just a bonu for your whole body because blood rushes to that area. So when you become aroused blood rushes down to the Ben and jerry's.

57:55.25

Paul Garny

Yes.

58:01.62

christophknoll

And like Paul was saying the male species is built to release that when you get that blood flow down there. The male body is like intended to have some kind of release like just whether it's from the. Biological reproduction or the mental side like we are just built to have some kind of release and if you don't do that release. That's when you're when we get this, you know, epididtmal hypertension or as you are. Probably far more common with is blue balls because you actually will get cranky like as a male you will actually get like visibly upset over time if you have consistent blue balls because it's painful. It's just it. It just sucks like.

58:48.35

Paul Garny

Yeah, it actually physically hurts.

58:53.87

christophknoll

We're talking about a blood flow going down and then just being there like when you when you get aroused and you take care of it whether it's solo or with and and with like your relationship like.

58:58.54

Paul Garny

Yeah.

59:10.30

christophknoll

You are able to relieve yourself of that tension from the blood flow. But if you don't it physically hurts like especially this also goes for like if you ah you you might have heard getting blueballed by somebody. When you thought things were going to go somewhere you get aroused and then nothing happens that like maybe once or twice that doesn't hurt. But if that like consistently happens or it's a long period of time that it happens like that physically fucking hurts and you are subjecting yourself to that when you. Engage in no not November like there I mean there's the memes of like you know, a dude's balls being carried in a wheel where that's the south park meme from from's like there's that meme behind it. But ah, it's there's truth behind that like you.

59:52.97

Paul Garny

He picks up in a microwave so can get medicinal weed.

01:00:05.24

christophknoll

You physically get hurt like we we talked about how no not November doesn't actually like hurt you but that's subjective to the amount of times you're getting aroused because if you're getting aroused at least 3 times a day and you're not relieving yourself. You're by day 10 you. Forget any kind of knowing like how to end world hunger. You don't even know how to end your own hunger at that point like it's it is not a fun time.

01:00:32.21

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, it's like not every guy experiences it? Um, but it just feels like you got kicked in the balls and like before it fully goes away. There's still some of that pain left over. Um, like that soreness that's kind of what it feels like but just constant. It's just like you get a stomach ache and like it just hurts and it's just uncomfortable and sore just feels sore. Um, it's not something that I think any guy should ever experience. So That's why like you just just be careful to not. You know if you're gonna if you're not gonna get. Any sort of you know attention down there then don't be feeding into it. Um, but that just it makes it harder depending on what you're doing and I mean and anybody in the gym you're going to your testosterone is going to naturally be elevated from fitness and from lifting and all of that it can be higher. Um than if you're not. And so it's it's just going to make it harder um to to not get them. So yeah, good luck if you get them and you're not, you're doing No No November good luck that's going to actually be fucking Hell? um.

01:01:35.25

christophknoll

Good luck not getting aroused in the gym too like it's just natural for for men to get aroused when they see a gal who is generally speaking a Jim gal because gym gals generally have very good physiques. So best of luck not getting aroused going. 2 to 3 times a week I mean but imagine if you're on like a gym grind like Paul and I like like best a luck man you won't survive.

01:01:53.36

Paul Garny

Yeah, right.

01:02:04.69

Paul Garny

But I did want to I remember now what I was going to talk about earlier was confidence and um I did want to tie that into anabolics because that's one of the things That's one of the side effects of having increased test and anabolics and all of that is it increases your confidence and you feel like tough shit like you feel like.

01:02:07.31

christophknoll

And.

01:02:19.99

Paul Garny

You're the best of the best and it's such a weird feeling. Um I got it when I was taking dh to which is anovva. Um and of our for me just really increases my confidence levels and you just feel like you like you feel like you look good. You feel good. You feel like you're like. Your top shit when you're at the gym you feel like you're the best looking one there. It's the weirdest thing because it's like there's really no reason to feel that way like like it's not like I took invar and then all of a sudden I'm like fucking diced to my fucking gills and like got the perfect physique in the world. I looked the fucking same when I started to but it was like just mentally it puts you in a different place. Um, so that that yeah, that's exactly 1 of the things that higher testosterone does do is that increases your confidence. Um, but then it increases all of your your paranoia and stuff like that increases everything else. Um, whatever. Whatever you are emotionally or mentally it's going to increase that but um, confidence is definitely up there as far as the things that increases. Um and it's such a weird thing to experience I can't really explain it. Ah you talk to anybody who's like single and goes to clubs and stuff like that and is on anabolics like they'll they'll talk to like any girl and. Um, they'll try to hit up everybody and they think that like um, you know they? yeah basically it's such a weird thing to like experience like nobody has that kind of confidence. So. It's a very weird thing to experience.

01:03:37.80

christophknoll

God's gift to the world.

01:03:46.74

Paul Garny

Um, at least people don't shouldn't have that confidence. That's just cockiness at the same like that in a sense that's just cockiness like be confident by the same time. Don't feel like you're the best fucking thing in the world like that's just not a good thing to feel. Um, you know have some humility but when you're on anabolics you just sometimes you just can't help. It is such a weird thing. Um, and then also at the same time like when you're on something like dht's that kind of in ah evalates it ah elevates everything now eviates elevates everything um, you also feel like you can fucking win fights like a so weird experiencing that like I was just like I could fucking fight anyone and win like I'm like i. Like that guy is pissing me off I want to fight them I never did but like it's such a weird thing to experience and that kind of probably stems from the confidence. Um, but I can only imagine how irritable I will I would be if I I was doing that and I always do no note November or no faff in general that would have been just. Awful. That would not that would have been a recipe for disaster I would have it would just be a ticking time. Bomb at that point. So if you're taking anabolics. Do not do some shit like that like you just take a second take 10 minutes probably not even 10 minutes and be okay

01:04:58.36

christophknoll

I Mean that that I mean this is a whole conversation within itself but that gives me another reason why I should stay natural because if my confidence is already so high that if I start taking something that boosts my confidence level I mean True. So I mean obviously that's a conversation one within itself. But I don't think it would be a very good combination for me to be doing something like that. Um, one point that I did want to bring up is um.

01:05:17.34

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:05:30.99

christophknoll

Obviously ah, the the reason why we're recording today's episode is to spread awareness for why in the fitness industry. It doesn't make sense to um, it doesn't make sense to you know, engage in no not November especially with considering what Paul just provided with the anabolic side of things. Um, so. This is a far less known movement. But there's something called yes, not November which essentially promotes men to be engaging in. You know some kind of of Ejaculatory release which I think is a far more positive spin. To be promoting for at least the fitness side of things because with everything that we've talked about with how your confidence levels can be increased testosterone and also the different hormonal increases you want to be. Kind of engaging in some kind of release like that. Um, so we I mean obviously that the yes not November comes from a porn site. So obviously they have ulterior motives. But I think it is a positive message that can be spread into.

01:06:37.83

Paul Garny

Um.

01:06:42.34

christophknoll

Fitness industry because if you let the like taking Paul's example if you're on different anabolics and you're on a bunch of different. You know testosterone things you're gonna fucking kill someone if you don't if you don't release for an entire month like Paul was talking about. Feeling like you can win a fight like it. That's not even related to like a guy wronging you. He could just be standing there and you just look at him and say yeah I'm going to fucking kill you like for no reason at all. Yeah, exactly so that's kind of.

01:07:03.62

Paul Garny

Um, again.

01:07:10.14

Paul Garny

Yeah, that's the paranoia.

01:07:17.18

christophknoll

Ah, big and that can happen to people who aren't on anabox as well. Which is the the reason why I'm bringing it up like I have a history of Anger problems I have a history of resorting to the fistic cuffs when I don't feel like things are going my way and so.

01:07:36.20

christophknoll

You have to be able to give yourself some kind of release because otherwise you're going to deliberately put yourself in a situation where you may end up either seriously fucking up someone else fucking up yourself or losing everything you have like I know that if I tried to like if I had pent up aggression from not. You know releasing and I tried to fight someone at Empire either I'm dying because there's some big motherfuckers at Empire or I'm getting kicked out of empire and and then I lose the best gym in the area like there's a lot more to lose than there is a lot more to gain like.

01:08:08.27

Paul Garny

Um.

01:08:12.40

christophknoll

Yeah, that's my point. There's far more to you have far more to lose than you have to gain when you take a look at no not November within the fitness industry. So pros and cons. But you have far more pros of not doing no not november.

01:08:19.20

Paul Garny

A.

01:08:27.84

Paul Garny

Right? right? I agree. Um, yeah, it's pretty much like exactly everything we wanted to talk about um is there anything you wanted to drive this towards.

01:08:40.85

christophknoll

So Olympic Village have you heard stories about this stuff. Ah, yeah, yeah, so Olympic athletes stay in what's called Olympic Village and it changes from locational location.

01:08:45.28

Paul Garny

No, what is no is that is that where the Olympic athletes stay or something. Okay, yeah. Um, yeah.

01:08:58.64

christophknoll

Ah, and look off you if you're listening look into what Dubai is doing or Qatar wherever this thing is but they're having people stay in shipping containers. It's fucked but anyways olympic athletes stay in what's called olympic village and take a look at any of like any olympic athlete.

01:09:11.25

Paul Garny

Okay.

01:09:18.60

christophknoll

These are essentially the most attractive individuals that our world has to offer because you have you know that just I think about just the gals who run like those gals are toned. They're slimmed down and they're they're gorgeous. Yeah, and.

01:09:24.55

Paul Garny

Um.

01:09:31.75

Paul Garny

Yeah I know we go with this.

01:09:37.49

christophknoll

Olympic Village is the cumulation of hundreds of the best looking people in the world and best athletes in the world too And at some point some coach tried to tell these people that.

01:09:41.50

Paul Garny

Um, best athletes in the world.

01:09:54.91

christophknoll

You having sex prior to your event is detrimental to your success which some people believe for a while but then people started calling bull and that led us to the Olympic Village. Um, ah God I Even know what word I want to. Throw with this but essentially we've got a bunch of sex hungry athletes at Olympic Village and this is just looping to the the discussion of how people think that you get some kind of athletic boon when you.

01:10:16.93

Paul Garny

And.

01:10:33.65

christophknoll

Don't release excuse me, you get some kind of athletic boon when you don't release and you somehow you know partake and no not November which is not true like the these athletes are. Being subjected to I mean it's not it doesn't happen as much anymore. But in there were parts of the 80 s in the in the eighty s especially the 88 Olympics um people they they were told like you need to be abstinent. You can't be doing this stuff and when you tell. A bunch of and these people have very high levels of testosterone because you don't become the best athletes in the world by not having high levels of testosterone or just elevated hormonal levels in general and you try telling them to be abstinent, not happening and there is ah i. Can't recall who it was but there is a female athlete who talked with some of the men at olympic village and the guys were like yeah we're we're not doing anything and this was for a um, what's it called when they do a race in it's mixed sexes. Um. It's the relay but it's it I don't know if it has a specific word but it's the it's the relay where it's both men and women and the the gal just looked at the men and said I mean good luck I'm going to wipe the floor with you guys then because you have when you have built up you know aggression like that or if you're.

01:11:51.85

Paul Garny

Okay.

01:12:02.14

Paul Garny

The.

01:12:06.56

christophknoll

Essentially blue balling yourself because tell me you tell tell me, um, ah, you're not going to be aroused if you're an olympic athlete seeing all these other olympic athletes. So essentially blueballing yourself into a world class event terrible idea. So. I know this is ah branching from no not November and it's it's an interesting conversation but the the reports that have come out over the past two two and a half decades of people coming out and talking about how. Silly it is to abstain from sex while at olympic village is just hilarious.

01:12:45.36

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah I Can only imagine that that because like especially if you're single and you're just cooped up with all these different kinds of people and those hotels and all of that I can imagine how gnarly it gets. It's like it's probably like ah almost like a um like dorm like like a college dorm and. Like you know I never dorn in college but I know what the hull goes on there and it's I Can only imagine it's It's along the same lines of that. So That's a funny situation.

01:13:13.69

christophknoll

There's a report that came out from ah the irish times. So essentially you know the the irish version of The New York Times so a very respectable magazine but obviously digital but they ah. Released a report talking about the two thousand s olympics in Australia and this was one of those one of the Olympics where coaches are really pushing abstinence and trying not to um, get their not having their athletes. You know have sex with each other. But.

01:13:44.35

Paul Garny

If.

01:13:47.22

christophknoll

They and this was reported by a um by a Us member. Um, there is a property that was dubbed shooter's house and it's it became a house for all these olympic athletes to go escape their coaches and just. Go to town and they.

01:14:08.87

Paul Garny

Geez that sounds like a call of Duty map. It sounds like shoothouse.

01:14:12.90

christophknoll

Ah, they had reported duffel bags filled with condoms and a medical clinic was on hand because all these people needed to have their release and they like think about getting yourself to.

01:14:20.50

Paul Garny

Um, what the hell.

01:14:27.75

christophknoll

The highest level like you're an Olympic athlete you know that you need to have some kind of sexual release of some kind so you do you know you have to do it so that so I mean the report hold on but I they they threw the number for how many people came through this house. But.

01:14:33.57

Paul Garny

And.

01:14:46.72

christophknoll

It was just an absurd amount of people that okay recalls dozens of olympians trooping through the property dubbed shooter's house for pleasures of the flesh over 8 sweaty days. Ah so we're talking people really understanding.

01:14:57.71

Paul Garny

Um, Jesus.

01:15:05.47

christophknoll

And the the point that I'm making here is that these olympic athletes understand the bullshit behind no nut November and well this is a no-nut November for them because the olympics don't take place in November but um, we're talking they understand the bullshit behind the argument of abstinence is the point that I'm making.

01:15:23.44

Paul Garny

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01:15:25.27

christophknoll

So when you think about doing no not November from a fitness standpoint and yet you have these olympic athletes who understand that they even need to have a release that should be a you know a green light for you as a you know individual in the fitness industry because these world class athletes are the ones who are.

01:15:37.18

Paul Garny

More.

01:15:45.13

christophknoll

Understanding and fully cognizant that they need to have some kind of release as well. Absolutely.

01:15:49.50

Paul Garny

Sex Also burns a shit ton of calories too. So if so if you're trying to if you're trying to cut or something or try to lose weight sex is a great way of burning calories. It's phenomenal, Um, especially like.

01:16:00.26

christophknoll

I call it cardio.

01:16:03.62

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's but it is basically cardio. It's like intense cardio. Um you burn a lot of calories and it just helps you up mentally. Overall so it's's it's a great form of exercise I think they they're saying that it's like um, 10 minutes of sex or something is like equivalent to like an hour of running as far as calories. Go. And running doesn't really burn that many calories for a source of cardio. But um I think that that's kind of funny um and the same point though one minute of jump rope burns I think the same amount as an hour of running or something like that. But that's a whole that's that's just a side note there. But yeah. Sex is a great form of ah cardio or weight loss for calorie cutting. So if you're yeah, you're you're all of a sudden you're losing less weight good luck. Yeah, nice, good job and you're handing your relationship so in 1 fell sweep in one month

01:16:45.57

christophknoll

Which you hinder yourself if you take part in Nona november.

01:16:58.78

christophknoll

That's lose lose.

01:17:00.10

Paul Garny

Yeah, one month you lose less weight and you lost your girlfriend. good job. congratulation you're an idiot yeah good job you get to say to your friends. You did no no not November and they'll say nice job and then all of a sudden the conversation changes. That's all you get? That's your prize like oh sick. Nice.

01:17:03.58

christophknoll

You have you have won november.

01:17:15.41

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:17:18.92

Paul Garny

You guys gonna be on later for video games like that's that's exactly what you're gonna get and all of that just a lose your girlfriend and lose less weight to who knows I mean you can get shredded if you're like during November if you just were having sex but you know what you didn't want the 6 pack. So here you are nice job.

01:17:23.67

christophknoll

Ah.

01:17:34.40

christophknoll

Yeah, that's that'll be our marketing ploy. You want a 6 pack. Don't do no not no, but.

01:17:42.77

Paul Garny

You want six back have sex. Don't you bitch Sex is the key to abs.

01:17:51.39

christophknoll

Ah, you won't pause. Yeah, ah yeah, you can either do crunches 4 times a week or have sex.

01:18:00.53

Paul Garny

You're right after like day you pussy do it What your legs are sore.

01:18:04.89

christophknoll

I Think we're on to something here I think we've got the world's greatest marketing ploy here. Yeah.

01:18:08.78

Paul Garny

Yes, yes, it's just a new. This is the new exercise program. We're going to start launching. We're going to write a whole. We're going to it' could be nine hundred ninety seven dollars for this program and all it is is going to be having sex every day. It's gonna be 1 page long have sex.

01:18:23.68

christophknoll

Are.

01:18:26.15

Paul Garny

Yeah, to girl a guy and have sex every day get a consistent consistent plan of sex and all of a sudden you're going to be shredded shredded to your gills and then afterwards Chuck half a gall of water after and you begin to go.

01:18:37.26

christophknoll

Um, I'm fucking dying I'm fucking dying. Um and in the conversation. Ah and with Olympic Village too.

01:18:43.17

Paul Garny

Yeah, that's how that's how it is.

01:18:53.91

christophknoll

Um, in 2020 we had the Tokyo games which already had so much controversy from the political landscape and we're not going to talk about that at all. But ah, they had um they they came up with a interesting theory. Um, so obviously whenever a city hosts or a country hosts. The olympics. They're basically scramble mode to find enough hotels and everything to provide like lodging for everybody and that goes for the athletes too and what the Tokyo games did was they made not. They didn't use wood. They didn't use ah steel bedframes they made cardboard.

01:19:17.39

Paul Garny

I mean.

01:19:32.51

christophknoll

Bed frames and if you think about a and like think about an Amazon shipping box and let's say you put take like and um seven eight of them like we're talking big boxes and you try and support your bed on that you're telling me, you're gonna have sex on that and not fucking break the thing.

01:19:51.71

Paul Garny

It had to be like it had to be like 12 layers of corrugated cardboard order for it to actually hold your body weight like that's such a bad idea I remember Russia the russian um olympics whenever that was going on like 2012 or something like that. Um I remember they like the hotels that they were staying in were just so bad like the I remember the like some doors were having trouble just like opening or something and I remember like the break. The guy in the back of Bob Sled try no not Bob Sled what the hell was it. Maybe it was the winter olympics. It was the winter olympics for 1 year and it was a Bob sled guy. He was the the back of the Bob sub which is the guy who uses the brakes and they're the biggest dudes I'm pretty sure. Um he had to like break down some door to like get into the bathroom take a shit or something like that like it was like some stupid like that. Um. But yeah, it's every year I mean we were they were talking about the olympics for Boston for like 2016 or 2020 or something I forget what year they were talking about it. Um, it didn't end up passing it for a vote because they have to like change the entire infrastructure. Like the city in order to support the olympics and they have to build up like stadiums and shit for like sports that don't typically take place there. Um, so it's it's pretty wild. So I mean and you know Boston didn't want to be turned upside down in order to host the olympics. But.

01:21:07.72

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:21:17.20

Paul Garny

Um I can understand why they have to cut corners. But I think Cardboardish is to kind of a stretch there next thing you know they're could be making it out of just straight paper or something like that plastic I can understand but Cardboard is a bit ridiculous.

01:21:27.94

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, yeah, and it just again loops back to that conversation of you know people claiming abstinence as a key to their success which just isn't true. The 1 thing that I'll bring up though that. I will be in that I speak in favor of you know, channeling abstinence or something like that is that you can build a mental toughness and a mental fortitude if you train yourself to not have those desires like.

01:22:03.63

christophknoll

It's basically the the reverse psychology of the Porn Addiction. So with the porn addiction you get um, hooked on you know,? whatever you're watching you build Unrealistic expectations. It starts to everything we've talked about how it will mess with your gym craft as well. But if you can train yourself to have or to to if you can train yourself to not have constant desires that builds a mental toughness for yourself that you can then use when you're in the gym. So if you can train yourself to you know? Yeah, like. If you see an attractive gal in the Gym. You take a look at her and you know you might get aroused a little bit but if you can train yourself to not go full blown like you know gamer boy on on this attractive gal. Yeah, but.

01:22:53.50

Paul Garny

Fedora.

01:22:56.85

christophknoll

You can train yourself not to have those uncontrollable desires that actually will help you in the gym because you start to build a resilience and you start to realize that the commitment that you're making with the gym is one that requires the same level of dedication. So I think that that is the only. Positive to um, partaking and I wouldn't say a full week of no not November but maybe like abstaining for a week or so and just training yourself to not go full blown hound dog every time you see like a woman. Like I think that there are positive mental sides to that. So.

01:23:37.15

Paul Garny

Yeah I mean there I mean that just comes down to moderation. Um, there was a something I was listening to and this guy was talking about how it can be detrimental like it can be kind of distracting to um, partaking. Not like quite a porn addiction but in in it frequently because um, you're you're given your body. It might have been I think it was part of Joe Rogan Podcast I think goes somes might have been Andrew Huberman I forget who it was I was talking about it. Um, you're you're given your because like. Sex is kind of like in a sense like a reward in a way because you have to build up to it. Um, you know it's not just like all of a sudden you just start it so where porn in masturbation is just like that. There's no, you didn't do anything to earn it. Um, you just kind of give yourself. That reward so in this sense it kind of like kind of pulls from other things too. So like um, you kind of start expecting rewards from things well that actually really put into the work I think that's more of a psychological thing and I think that's going to vary from more person to person. Um. But there is ah I think there is some truth behind it because if all you're doing is given yourself that reward then you're going to just start expecting that out of people without having to put that you know effort in and that kind of could correlate to.

01:24:58.89

Paul Garny

The fitness industry as well and what you're expecting out of the gym because so many people nowadays expect um, instant gratification. That's exactly what I'm talking about is instant gratification. There is no like actual you know effort put in in order to get that instant gratification where in the gym. Those types of people will also feel the same way where fitness in the gym and everything is such a marathon that you need to really stay focused and I could understand like especially people in the olympics and all of that like abstaining from sex not necessarily from orgasms but sex in general because it can be very distracting. Um, especially if that's what you're kind of focusing on for a center a period of time. Um, but I think that you know ejaculation in orgasms and all that is very healthy. Um, but you need to understand that gratification isn't necessari necessarily a real thing. And a lot of these porn videos especially like online people who are like if you don't pay for it which Ninety nine Point Nine Nine nine percent of people don't pay for online porn. Let's be honest, um, they're all previews of videos right? That's essentially how the how it works right? They they record full movies are in half two hours however long it is of these different situations. Um. And then these free videos are essentially previews of that movie. So a lot of times these videos will skip essentially the buildup to the actual sex in the movie. Um, but we don't see that necessarily from the free perspective. So it's instant gratification. It's like it just immediately starts.

01:26:29.99

Paul Garny

Um, you know there might be like a minute of like kind of context setting because a lot of it like realistically, um, a lot of these companies that like run you know these pornographic websites and stuff that make movies. It is an art to them. It's and it's kind of like making actual movies. It's an art and to them. It's it's acting it's. You know the less taboo side of things that film and you know general media doesn't show so what we're seeing is just the reward of what is a scenario that takes place over an extended period of time. Um, you can look up these full of videos and they're like. Some videos that build up to this point they' they'll take like an hour like you can like look it up and find it. It'll take an hour before they actually even actually have sex in the movie and the idea is you're supposed to watch the entire thing as an art form. Um, so you know there's that instant gratification that these guys are getting from not building up to it. Um, but then if you're watching like like I feel like a lot of people are much more into or get much more turned on if they're watching a movie or Tv show that then has a sex scene in it regardless of what your sensitivity is to sex and pornography and stuff like that. I think a lot of people get more turned on from that because there was that buildup to that point there was an underlying story of the relationship getting to that point. Um, so no fap in general can be beneficial in that way because you're you're desensitizing yourself from the instant gratification.

01:28:00.78

Paul Garny

And it kind of correlates to the rest of your life too because you know work most people's work is not instant gratification that you don't just work and then all of a sudden get tons of money you have to build up. Um, you know, talk to anybody who buys like a lamborghini. Anybody who buy I talked about this the other day. Anybody who buys a lamborghini. Almost every single one of them said that actually buying it getting to the point where they can actually afford it and buy it was much more exciting than actually having it because of that long dropout process that was a marathon rather than instant gratification like winning you know, lottery. Of course we want to be rich. Of course we did but they didn't actually earn anything so you have to fulfill yourself with some sort of um purpose. So like that's why these rich people if you're super rich you get into philanthropy you get into charity you get into. Um, these different organizations and investing in small businesses and stuff like that because it gives you that ah sort of sense of purpose um in life and there's no insta instagram like you're not just going to be instantly happy that when you the moment you win the marathon. You'll be excited or not marathon. Sorry um, ah lottery you're going to be happy. Um, and excited but you're not really going to be fulfilling any sort of life dream. Um, and I think that that kind of goes really ties into um you know bodybuilding and this whole conversation that we're having is just ultimately comes down to incident gratification and no not november.

01:29:26.27

Paul Garny

In a sense kind of pulls you away from that. But it's not beneficial to go that long I think it's kind of the gist of what we're trying to say here. Um, you shouldn't be going that long with it and if you're really desensitized to porn and you're having this problem. Um, a lot of bodybuilers I have this problem. They think that like you get like erectile dysfunction from taking anabolics Because. You're you know you can't really get it up and you're you're not really having good sex anymore and and that's not really the problem. The problem is is that.

01:29:49.99

christophknoll

Oh you, you get? ah you get erectile dysfunction from no no November over time giving yourself blue balls that much. Yeah.

01:29:52.58

Paul Garny

Yeah, you can yeah and like it's also not necessarily that you're getting any any sort of electal erectile dysfunction from what you're taking. It's more because your libido is so high and you're jerking off so much you get so desensitized. From porn which then just kind of loops into what we're saying at the beginning that you're watching the most hardcore shit and all you can get is like half chub. You don't actually have erectile dysfunction. You're just desensitized to section general and I think that um in order to break that cycle. That's what Nofap was was built for was you know go a week or are two weeks at the most. Of just abstaining from entirely all of a sudden you can watch the most soft core porn ever and be totally satisfied. Um, and just stay there like don't like get yourself if you're if you're breaking the cycle of this addiction. Don't then go back into the same shit you're watching before. Um, or the same type of sex you were having before um you need to have healthy. You know a healthy relationship with this process. Um and a healthy relationship with yourself and with your partner. Um, and I think that you know this instant gratification world that we live in now just really does not support that. Um, tiktok is a perfect example of that I have a problem with Tiktok. You know I watched so much of it. Um, and it's because of that instant gratification is those instant dopamine hits um from each video because if you're not interested in a video you swipe on to the next one all of a sudden you're interested in the video and you watch the whole thing and.

01:31:22.51

Paul Garny

You get that dopamine hit and then you move on to the next one another dopamine hit and so on and so forth this this ends instant gratification. Um, but if you can kind of get out of that and into the more um you know longer gratification where you have to kind of earn it. It's much more desirable to do something along those lines for your actual mental health and physical. Well-being. Than it is to have that instant gratification and that's why I've been preaching from the beginning that fitness and bodybuilding and all of that you know, physically altering your body is a marathon not a sprint and it's going to take time I mean I just recently had that problem I kind of fell off the program because you know. It's been taking me a while to get to the point where I want to get to in bodybuilding. But finally, we're like I had to get my eye on the prize. So I talk with my coach and we kind of got back on plan. Um, he held me accountable. He said look this, you're not meet at the standard that I hold to my clients and he's like I need you to get back on this because it's only hindering you in the future and. He's like just send me the photos of your cardio make sure you're on point with the meal plan. You should be losing weight right now. Um, so he called me on the phone said that I sent him all my photos in cardio and he said great. You're doing awesome. He's like I know how hard it can be sometimes with this marathon and um, you know I haven't really had like even though you know I've been ah in the bodybuilding community for. Over two years now consistently as far as like actual seriousness goes there has been no actual gratification yet as far as shows go so that's my that was recently my problem but finally he called me yesterday and he's like look you know we got to put in this work. There is no instant gratification. We can get you good to a good point in january.

01:32:56.44

Paul Garny

Then from January we'll put on some size and then from there we're going to cut down. Get you into regional show and then put you on the national stage and see how you compare to national competitors and then from there even potentially pro competitors shortly after that. So um. You know that was like enough for me to be like okay next year is my year twenty twenty three is my year and this is the marathon that's going to take It's not instant gratification. You're not going to all of a sudden like like there's 1 guy who you know I'm not going to say who he's involved with or anything but he started lifting or not started lifting but like he got involved with um you know. Bodybuilding and three months later he steps on his show and just got absolutely demolished. Um because that's just not how it works you don't just like you could have abs and stuff like that and think that you're going to do good on stage. But then you're not going to You're not going to do well and it's not There's no instant gratification. You need to put in the time and I think that november.

01:33:50.74

Paul Garny

Um, isn't beneficial but you know staying away from Porn addiction stuff like that is just a good stepping stone to get you to that point where you know Instant gratification isn't what you start expecting anymore kind of went on a rant there. But.

01:34:05.90

christophknoll

Yeah, no, you're good. You're good. Um, so many good points there though. But with the instant gratification too like in the gym like we're we are our own biggest um Cri critics and so when we.

01:34:08.76

Paul Garny

Therapy.

01:34:17.84

Paul Garny

And.

01:34:21.60

christophknoll

Are in the gym and you know we do different poses and we do different pictures. Um, we don't see the gains in ourselves until someone else points it out for us generally speaking like you might notice you know, kind of smaller things like I noticed my bicep vein before.

01:34:30.75

Paul Garny

Okay.

01:34:40.57

christophknoll

Anyone commented on it like because I was paying attention for stuff like that. But in general like you do you just don't see your own gains unless someone points it out for you which is looping to that instant gratification because if you're every day looking for somebody to say something you're in the gym for the wrong reason. You got to be committed to like Paul was saying the the marathon the the grind it's it's not a sprint if there was a sprint then I mean you would just have sex for abs like you wouldn't you wouldn't need to to do the hard work that comes with being involved with our craft and that's what I mean.

01:35:03.61

Paul Garny

Um, and then.

01:35:16.16

christophknoll

Almost every single conversation that Paul and I have on this podcast comes back to you needing to be dedicated to your craft because in the fitness world. There are no shortcuts. There are no easy. Turns you need to put in the goddamn work in order to get the results. Um, Arnold's favorite famous quote you know you can have. Ah, excuses or results not both and that that loops back to you know we're talking about this instant gratification or just gratification in general doesn't have to be instant like if your sole purpose is to have someone else comment on your physique.

01:35:34.15

Paul Garny

Is.

01:35:52.61

christophknoll

That can't be your sole purpose. You got to be in there for yourself and your your does constant desire to have somebody tell you that you look good. That's an ego problem that you need to start to work through and um, yeah, no.

01:36:06.41

Paul Garny

It's not going to happen. It is not going to happen often.

01:36:09.91

christophknoll

Like I do my best to try and hype up people around me at the gym but that's more so for a motivational side. Not for a gratta grat fakeret out words gratta gratification there go Jesus Christ um so in order to achieve.

01:36:17.97

Paul Garny

Um, gratification. Yeah.

01:36:28.50

christophknoll

Proper gains. You need to get your mindset right? and when you have an underlying um hindrance such as no, not November where you are subjecting your body to potential physical pain and more so mental and emotional pain because you're not. Releasing the hormonal levels as you should. You're not going to be able to achieve those kind of gratification results that you want to be seeing so if you want people to be commenting and you want people to be telling you and praising you and hyping you up, you got to do what you need to do in terms of your release side because.

01:36:54.82

Paul Garny

We have.

01:37:07.29

christophknoll

Testosterone levels and hormone and levels are just so so important to your success. Um, and that's nothing in comparison to Paul's friend that he just went on. But yeah.

01:37:17.75

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah, it's it like having that kind of thought process that the the thought train that I had kind of put exactly how I feel about it into perspective. Um, because it's just like i. Have like a a borderline I would actually probably say tiktok addiction and it's a problem and I keep saying oh I'm going to delete it but then somebody sends me a good tiktok and it's like I don't want to delete you because you're go to so yourself and it's like it's a problem. Um, that. I have personally um, which I mean you know we all got we all have these things we got to work on I'm working on different stuff mentally right now that I'm trying to find out underlying conditions that I might have but which kind of ties into it but just for for the average person. You know instant gratification is just something that a lot of people nowadays seek and. So a lot of things that a lot of older generations will say is our problem is that we expect things handed down to us. But it's because older generations kind of made that the standard um you know participation trophies and stuff like that like you didn't earn anything really What's the point of putting in the effort if you're going to get a trophy either way. Um, and you know like I always tell people um like regardless of what they're doing like. For instance, if you're doing some sort of competition or doing some sort of race or something and you get second. Um, it's like oh yeah I got second that's awesome. It's like well you I mean you lost.

01:38:43.48

Paul Garny

Like you didn't win and it's like that's great like you like for bodybuilding for instance, like oh I placed third great. You got essentially on the podium. You didn't get poll position in you know the competition you didn't get well I mean that's more racing talk actually. But um, you know you didn't you you didn't win First you didn't like. Like that's my okay here's actually a good example of what I'm talking about the the ifvb industry right? or the ifbb organization in international federation of bodybuilding. They are been have been handing out more pro cards in the past few years because they need to build up. They want to build up financially more more shows. Um, which is I understand that they want to build up more shows but they're starting to hand out these pro cards. Um, so like to show that my coach won at last year where he became national champion. Um for amateur bodybuilders which he got pro from that show. He um, got first. Overall. But everybody in the every top 2 of every single class of that show gets their pro card which to me is just absurd because pro cards used to mean that like you were the best of the best um and then Olympia was just the next level you were the best of the best of the pros but pros were the best of the best of the. Of people competing. Um now it's like you can just pick the right show and come in at 75% and still win your pro card and so it's like you're not putting in the effort that really should be a deserving of the pro card and I think that's kind of what I was trying to like tie to is that. Um.

01:40:16.98

Paul Garny

Nowadays people it's getting so watered down now that like a pro card doesn't mean as much as it used to mean and like if you're in the bodybuilding world. It's like oh you're an ibb pro like it used to be that like if you're an I vb pro you're on like covers of magazines and like. You're being featured in in Tv shows and stuff like that for interviews and on the news like that's how like crazy these guys looked but now it's like you could find newsdes online like on Instagram who are like ibb pros and they have like a hundred followers on Instagram which I mean is what I have for my bodybuilding pay or Instagram but like. These guys were ipb pros probably went to some tinyasss like show in Iowa with like 20 competitors in the entire show and as long as they get top 2 you know it's like these kinds of shows you just picked the right show and you can win your pro card but like these guys like you if you're a second you lost. You lost? That's a reality you lost. You didn't win. Um, overall it's a different story but like if you lost in your your class you lost I don't see why you should be getting a pro card and it's kind of like a participation medal. You know you didn't you didn't win but you're still getting the same reward that first got let alone overall but. Um, you're still getting the same reward and it's this gratification that people are seeking now and it's like oh like oh I'm going I like I also see it in social media which is what we talked about in our first episode is like these guys who have like like very subpar physiques who've just been in the gym for a couple months

01:41:47.77

Paul Garny

Trying to say like what works and what doesn't because and then ah, they're like getting followers for it and like they just happen to have like the right music and the right angles for people to like hype them up and make them go viral and it's like this is the gratification that people are seeking but it's not the reality. Um. And it's just really unfortunate because social media doesn't really reflect. Um, how this person looks in in real life and they're going to keep striving for better and better. But it's never going to be enough. Um,, there's no interest of gratification here. You got to keep going for it and no, no, no November is not a good start. But no fap is definitely a good start in my opinion. Um, so that's kind of where I'm sitting here.

01:42:29.16

christophknoll

To take that ah to take that note that you were making about the bodybuilding and pro cards for a second place and whatnot. There is a way for the nonbodybuilding world to see that in their everyday life as well and that's this is when I see.

01:42:33.13

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

01:42:45.95

christophknoll

People essentially plateauing themselves in the gym so something that a lot like a lot of us push ourselves to is pushing ourselves to failure because when you push yourself to failure. There's only one way to go and that's up so when you are able to. Push your body to the point that it cannot physically push any more weight or pull weight depending on what you're doing if you get to that point where the weight has made you um, failed that is where you want to be getting to and people who. Seek the gratification of let's say social media and posting want to post a cool video and I I've been victim of this as well like I I will not shy away from that posting a video of weight that you can move a lot like do it for a lot of reps and it looks like you're doing a lot of weight. My big one is like leg press people posting leg press videos because when you post anything more than 4 plates on a side. It looks like a fucking ton of weight I mean don't get me wrong like when you push north of like 6 or 7 plates on a side. You're pushing a lot of weight. But.

01:43:40.46

Paul Garny

Yeah, yeah.

01:43:55.40

christophknoll

You can make a cool looking video having just 3 or 4 plates on a side and people will make those videos and stop pushing themselves to get gains because they want to have that little gratification from a social media aspect same thing with squats. Nobody wants to squat anymore I don't know why squatting is.

01:43:59.90

Paul Garny

Um.

01:44:11.79

Paul Garny

Yeah, for real.

01:44:15.33

christophknoll

Best motion in my personal opinion for hitting quads and when you don't push yourself to failure and when I say failure I mean either that bar's coming off you or you're hitting the ground like that I don't like to do it too too often because it I mean it. It sucks. But. You at some point need to put enough weight on that or try and go down for one last rep when you probably shouldn't be and getting yourself to that point of failure because then you know from there you can only go up and that's not enough exactly.

01:44:47.21

Paul Garny

That's why I need to spotter.

01:44:49.68

christophknoll

But that's what not enough people are doing not enough people are pushing themselves to failure. Granted going to the gym alone is ah is a leading contributor to that because you can't like Paul mentioned spotting just now you can get yourself to failure and still do more reps if you have a spotter.

01:44:51.32

Paul Garny

Um.

01:45:07.75

christophknoll

Helping get that weight a little bit so you can just ah, you can um, squeeze it out. Yes I was searching for it. Um, and you're able to do that with the spot. So if you don't have that social aspect. You're not able to achieve something like that.

01:45:13.18

Paul Garny

Squeeze it out.

01:45:25.65

christophknoll

And that's what loops back to this? No not November conversation because this unrealistic expectation will affect your social life. It will affect your ability to connect with others and if you're not able to connect with others then you find yourself self- isolatolated words self-isolating. And when you self isolate with the gym. You won't be able to push yourself to failure or push yourself to failure in a healthy way. So that's just a big overarching connection to it because for us in the gym like when we Paul and I push ourselves to levels that.

01:45:54.93

Paul Garny

Um, and.

01:46:04.11

christophknoll

If you were an individual in the gym. First time coming to the gym you probably would look at us and call us crazy like we push ourselves extremely hard. But obviously it's because we're goal-driven and we're motivated individuals but you can't achieve that level of dedication that level of determination if you have some pre-existing. A situation such as pent up aggression pent up. You know, hormonal levels. You're not releasing. So do do the right thing squeeze one out and then go to the gym.

01:46:28.31

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

01:46:36.41

Paul Garny

Yeah, if you have to do it then then do it then just do it whenever Um, do you think is good for you like the other day but don't don't feed into the stupid meme um of no, no, no november. Because you're really not going to gain anything Socially. It's such a stupid thing. It's not.. It's not as big as it used to be I remember I remember back in like probably like 2015 2016 maybe 2014 that was like really its peak. Um, it's not as big as it used to be but um, it's a good conversation just kind of general idea of like the human body How that human body works And. Um, male human body work specifically. Um and testosterone just basic hormone you know optimization and understanding um and just overall like what libido even fucking is um when you just sex drive essentially and um. Yeah I think to Innc gratification is a good point as far as no fap goes but um, just don't feed into these stupid anecdotal bullshit ah because you need to do your own research and there is seriously no scientific backing behind.

01:47:44.67

Paul Garny

Ah, no, no remember actually having or no fap in general having physical benefits besides just being becoming unaddicted to something. So um, you know it's a good point. They brought up the Olympic Village That's a good. Ah, it's a good addition. That's for sure. But um.

01:47:55.67

christophknoll

Yes.

01:48:01.90

Paul Garny

Yeah, it's you know and a lot of people who are kind of participating in shit like this are like like I said like the Broccoli heads um like high school kids and who are taking sarms and shit and they think that it's like yeah a little sarm goblins. Um, which sarms is a lot of sarms are not good. That's a whole nother conversation. We'd have to stay.

01:48:12.39

christophknoll

Sarm goblin.

01:48:21.20

Paul Garny

We'd have to do that on another another session. But um, yeah, sarms can hinder your testosterone drastically? Um, and one of the top ones that guys use are teenagers use is rad one forty um which is a bulking agent and it's originally supposed to be like. Ah, kind of like the replacement of DBall it's kind of like a bulking agent that they said that increases your testosterone but studies show that it it decreases your testosterone so these kids are doing rad one forty for however, long, probably consistently because they don't know how the hell a cycle works. Um, and then not. And then doing no not November and thinking that they're like their testosterone is through the damn roof thinking that they're like next level like I'm making serious fucking gains in the gym and then all of a sudden like nothing really actually happens and then Christmas comes around.

01:49:10.37

christophknoll

Um, under birth.

01:49:15.80

Paul Garny

And they're gaining weight because they're eating with people all of a sudden January comes around and there's tons of people in the gym. They can't hit anything and all of a sudden for three months straight then you made no progress. So it's just like this is the time that you really need to get dialed in. Um, with your with your food with your training. Um, a lot of people kind of you know slack for Thanksgiving which most as long as you're not prepping for a show prep or you know enjoying your thanksgiving is 1 thing but then like yeah enjoy your thanksgiving enjoy your time with your family typically is what ends up happening. Um.

01:49:40.22

christophknoll

Enjoy your enjoy your carbo load.

01:49:49.57

Paul Garny

Enjoy your Christmas as well. But besides that you got to be dialed in because come january a lot of people are in the gym for a couple weeks and you're not going to be able to hit any sort of equipment. Um, so you need to be focused and not doing some bullshit like November thinking that you're going to be next level by the time you know next summer comes around or some shit like right now is the time to be. Putting on size putting on weight and putting on strength so that you can lean out for summer next year hypothetically like from now to February um, you need to be focusing on that and no no november is only going to hinder that and then February comes around. You need to cut and then all of a sudden you're gonna be looking good for summer and. You can kind of maintain. Enjoy yourself for summer. That's typically what we end up seeing for lifestyle people. Um, but yeah, so it's a good It's a good thing to steer away from and um, just be human guys just be human. Ah, you're human, you're not this machine that you know can. Go without shit for long periods of time and you know you can eat like a bird and not jerk off and be next level like that's just not how this works you need to give your body um vices. You know you have to have these vices. Um, that allows you to escape reality and be healthy and be human, whatever those are. Um, is completely up to you but don't let no, not no, not November hinder ah your life in general.

01:51:12.61

christophknoll

You made such a good point that I hadn't even realized no no, not November comes at the worst time because I think they only do it because you know with the a litter with the um alliteration of of and and and no no november.

01:51:19.36

Paul Garny

Um, um.

01:51:28.12

Paul Garny

Um, and and and yep.

01:51:29.62

christophknoll

Um I think it was solely November was solely chosen for that purpose but timing wise in the gym in the fitness industry. It is the absolute worst time because the months of November and December are one going to test you the hardest in the fitness industry because you have more opportunities to. Ruin your diet and ruin your gains over the four week period that takes place of Thanksgiving to Christmas and so that in itself is going to test your determination and your will just by itself but Paul brought up how um, the.

01:51:55.10

Paul Garny

Um.

01:52:05.61

christophknoll

The January rush is going to happen November and December is your time to absolutely hulk the hell out because when January rolls around and the people that you know are only going to be there for a week or 2 you want to be so physically dominant compared to them that you can hit whatever you want because you know like. For me For example when I go to empire I know a de amount of the people that are at empire I can fit in sets on different machines with other people. Even if I'm not working out with them just because I've built rapport with them. But when new people come to the gym. They generally don't have that understanding. But if you're physically dominant and you're just an. Alpha male I'm going to use I know that's a meme. But if you're like looking yourself as an alpha male and you're a big dude and obviously this goes for gals as well. You're able to more or less peer pressure these people into letting you in to do sets like for example. If I my I know come january people are going to be hawking over the vertical like leg press at empire because that's such a cool machine. You don't get the other gyms in this area at least and if I want to hit that.

01:53:08.61

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

01:53:19.42

christophknoll

I'm gonna wear my shortest shorts and just quad fex as I like when I enter the gym and walk all the way down and just because you want to be able to show that you are that much of a physical specimen and November obviously we talked. Just listen to this entire podcast if you need any reason for why? it's terrible. But if you subject yourself to? no not November and you hinder your own gains and then you try to make up for it in the single month of December. It's not possible. This is a marathon not a sprint sure you can get some gains over the month of December but you really want to be. Grinding an on your craft for November to December so that when January rolls around you can scare off the little puppies that have come to your gym. You're the big dog be the big dog and I know I've a lot of what I like said used words that are memes and whatnot. But there's truth to it if you want to. Take your claim as one of the people in the gym that's going to be there after the January rush leaves make sure that you look the part and no not November hinders that so that's that's just such a big piece like.

01:54:27.63

Paul Garny

Um.

01:54:28.15

christophknoll

I hadn't even thought about that until you brought that up with the January rush and I'm not sure this will be my first time seeing the january rush at a big boy gym but at planet this was exactly what you had to do you had to make yourself the biggest person because at planet you get not just average Joes but you got the people that have never even. Been in a gym before and you have to be able to you know, get to your machinery like you know at at planet. There was such a competition for the smiths because that was your only way to do deadlift squats bench press. Not even the real way but like that's just the only way you could do them at a planet and.

01:54:47.45

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

01:55:06.62

christophknoll

You had to fight for those and the January rush was terrible at planet January Rush lasted well into March so you had to be able to fight for what you wanted to do and if you allow yourself to have a month of setbacks like. No, not November will or could potentially lead you to you just screwing yourself over. So do what you need to do but at the end of the day. No not November is not going to help you. It's a meme and just don't let yourself lose sight of what you want to accomplish in the gym because if you want to have.

01:55:29.11

Paul Garny

Um, yeah.

01:55:44.77

christophknoll

Consistent gains like your goal is to like. For example, Paul talked about how one 23 is gonna be his year because his goal is to get to that pro stage in that year that is a absolute but it's it's a goal that you're driven towards and you have a set mindset for that.

01:55:49.49

Paul Garny

1 of.

01:55:56.10

Paul Garny

Um, if possible. Yeah.

01:56:04.72

christophknoll

You're like if if someone in Paul's shoes decided to fast from from the the spreading of the seed in the month of November like you just you lose an entire month of your goal and that's fucked. That's fine I could never like. Maybe it's because I'm such a driven person for whatever goal I have in mind but I could never imagine putting myself in a detriment where I am self-indulging into an act that reduces my ability to achieve my goal I don't know maybe not everyone's as driven as you as as you and I but.

01:56:36.11

Paul Garny

Um.

01:56:40.38

christophknoll

I Just can't see that justification in you know a mature adult.

01:56:45.87

Paul Garny

Um, I mean I think I mean to what you're saying about January and you know knowing making it look like you know what you're doing making sure you look like you know what you're doing I think I mean probably what I'll end up doing this year I mean it's from my experience that it wasn't like. The most drasic change. Um at least at the golds that I I go to last year. It wasn't like you know, just seriously packed plight of fitness I can totally assume that um, but at the goals I don't think it was too much worse. But I also go right now. I've been ah lately I'm going to the at the busiest time which is like.

01:57:21.27

Paul Garny

And be getting there around five thirty five Forty five. so I think what I might end up doing is like go late at night like ten o'clock or something like hit the gym then come home eat my postwork at me and go to bed. Um, just so that I'm avoiding all of those people because for me januaryw is going be a very important start to my growth phase. Um, you know. Getting ready for the show in so in summer so I need to be focused and don't want to have to wait around for 10 minutes to use any sort of machine that's part of my program because consistency is going to be key at least for me so that's probably what I'll end up doing but um, no no november is just a stupid meme. So just don't participate in it is generally what we were just wanted to touch on Paul and today. Ah, for sure.

01:57:59.19

christophknoll

I'm gonna end with the with one meme that I that I found here. But it's said teenagers in 2040 why is no one in our generation born in August millennial dads you wouldn't get it all right? y'all? well.

01:58:07.84

Paul Garny

Yeah, exactly. But.

01:58:14.83

christophknoll

I I hope you enjoyed hearing about no not November Paul and I are back on our grind even with next week being a thanksgiving week. Yeah I have that right is next week thanks you know week after yeah.

01:58:18.38

Paul Garny

Yes, sir. Yeah, next? Well the weekend following but I think we should be fine for that Sunday I don't think I'm doing anything that Sunday I think the focus is gonna be Thanksgiving day. Maybe the day after.

01:58:36.41

christophknoll

Yep, so we are back on track y'all are gonna continue to get content every single week stay tuned to our social stay tuned to the website send us emails HgH one or sorry, what's our Hg something.

01:58:50.57

Paul Garny

Um, h and h podcast one at gmail.com

01:58:53.41

christophknoll

Hgh podcast one at gmail.com feel free to email any questions comments concerns you have topics you want us to talk about people. You want us to potentially interview. We've got you know a slight of that that we might be having come up. Maybe a new year thing

01:58:59.42

Paul Garny

Um.

01:59:09.12

christophknoll

Um, but please continue to send us anything and everything you want us to talk about. We appreciate every single one of you. We talked at the beginning of this but Paul and I honestly sat there and we're just like. We we didn't know how to react when we saw we went international and that was like we went international like week three we went international and we just didn't even know how to how to react to that so you guys are what makes us continue to want to do this. We obviously can talk for a long long time. But you guys make it why we're able to do this so keep listening keep.

01:59:26.67

Paul Garny

Um, yeah, yeah, something like that.

01:59:39.21

Paul Garny

Who.

01:59:43.30

christophknoll

Keep giving us anything you want us to talk about and we will see you all next week bye everybody

01:59:47.80

Paul Garny

Thanks guys See ya.


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