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Influencer Review #2 - Sam Sulek


00:00.00

christophknoll

What a what an intro your your wife is our intro I Love it. Welcome back Everybody we're here we're here where where we're talking fitness stuff.

00:03.50

Paul

Um, oh yeah, she I don't even can hear her right there. Welcome Welcome Always fitness dick now. Um I think.

00:19.81

christophknoll

Despite despite Contrary Belief This is not a car or or Auto ah podcast like our last episode is.

00:26.41

Paul

Dude there is um so there's like there's so many podcasts out there now you know right? Um, and there's I've seen some dumbass ones where it's like ah where it's like guys will talk about how to get girls and shit like that.

00:33.60

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

00:43.70

Paul

Um, but that there's is what recently that's that people were talking about because like these guys on multiple episodes talked about how pigeons aren't real like that was like like a whole like ten fifteen minute conversation about how pigeons are government drones and you've never seen the babyby pigeon and shit and I'm like yeah. Try to provide some sort of quality content here.

01:05.62

christophknoll

Yeah, well today's content is going back to our ah a couple weeks back we did a rich piana deep dive and we'll just be grabbing another fitness person today. Um, you know we'll do our updates. But. This kind of series is one will do for a little bit just kind of doing deep dives on people in the the community and you know today's world is built up of influencers too. So today's is an influencer. Um, so if you get like you know if that's a red flag to you don't be because. Some of the guys are actually really interesting like the guy we're gonna cover today. Um, but in terms of updates. Um I am officially off of sarms because I did not gain £80 of lean muscle in the first day I took it so I'm I'm I'm I'm clean I'm kidding um, it tastes like dick.

01:45.29

Paul

Yeah.

01:54.20

Paul

The one dose me.

02:01.38

Paul

Now. Yeah.

02:01.80

christophknoll

It is terrible. It is it. It is the worst tasting thing I've ever had and um I chased it with water I Just you know dealt with it. But then I was like physically writhing like I was I was convulsing at at one point like.

02:13.47

Paul

Is.

02:18.83

christophknoll

Not like throwing up but like my body just you know like when you eat something. That's so foul that your body just doesn't know what to do with itself. That's that's where I was at and ah I know like we talked about it like.

02:23.68

Paul

Yeah.

02:32.26

christophknoll

Two weeks is probably 1 I'll start seeing any kind of actual results. So just staying on top of it until then is is the big thing but we'll see we'll see how much of the early days is fueled by the placebo effect like yesterday's leg day. My knee is still pretty messed up but I was able to pound my leg day pretty hard.

02:39.87

Paul

Ah.

02:50.45

christophknoll

Just because you know when you start taking anything new. You're like oh I'm so excited and you just start you know letting your mind go out the window while you while you work out which is nice. Um so crushed leg day yesterday. There's a lot of just really wonky stuff of anarchy that I'm able to use. Um.

02:59.39

Paul

I yeah.

03:10.10

christophknoll

And I like there's ah, there's a seated hamstring curl where you you have to like push the weight forward to even get into the thing and I've never seen that and then your legs are like at an incline almost so you're getting an even deeper range of motion. It's it's wild. So.

03:25.32

Paul

Is it The plate loaded one. Oh.

03:29.20

christophknoll

Ah know it's It's pen but it has like a ah belt so it looks like ah like a lawn more belt kind of um yeah I'll shoot you a picture later today when I'm there. Yeah, but you know overall we're getting slowly back into.

03:34.80

Paul

Yeah, if I if I saw what you're talking about I I know what you mean I Just can't think of it The top of my head. Yeah.

03:49.12

christophknoll

The the grind of things now that I'm somewhat close to healthy again. Um, but now that I got nothing else other than that going on for my update, My diet is still the exact fucking same.

04:01.63

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I mean really no difference on my end. Um I think that pct should be starting this week if not this week the next week. Um, you said in two weeks I wanted you to start on pct and those two weeks ago so um I think I should get an update from a coach of what the plan is I got everything in that I need so it's simply just running through it. Um, but typically with pcts and a health phase. The goal is to drop a little bit of fat. Um, so that's probably what's going to happen. Ideally, you know whenever we do pct that goes to drop like a percent or 2 of fat ideally so we'll drop a little bit of fat. Be natural, probably natural isn't just not on anything. Um probably for like 4 to six weeks clean out be healthy and then. Get into a blast from there but we'll see how that goes so um, timeline wise still I'm thinking like it's hard to say like end of like the earliest would be like mid -november would be like the earliest I'll probably start in a blast.

05:14.70

Paul

The latest like beginning of January but at all, we all just got to play it by year I'm not sure how long he wants to make my pct whether he wants to go two weeks or four weeks and then I'm not sure how long he's gonna want to run our health phase whether that's four weeks or six weeks obviously most of it's just playing with by ear. That's a lot of what like bodybuilding comes down to. He's just playing it by ear and and and adapting as you go. So we'll have to see um what ends up happening down the road. It's hard to say exactly right now. It's going to happen I mean we we are pushing off my show by first show for like a year and a half um my original plan was the original plan was January I twenty twenty two. We didn't end up heading until June Twenty Twenty three um we just kept putting on size and size and size and size. Um and then. Hit prep and that really like transformed my body like I'm approaching £200 now where on stage it was like lower one eighty s so I'm approaching 200 now and I still got you no visible abs and um, you know I still got pretty vascular and like pretty vascular arms and and forearms still. Um, with some good definition. So my fat distribution overall has improved drastically. Um I think a lot of my fat now actually sits kind of like in my glutes I've noticed a lot a lot of fats sit in my gluts right now. Um a little bit in my hips. Um, you female.

06:38.70

christophknoll

You're a woman.

06:42.54

Paul

Um, and then I think that's about it I mean my hands hold onto some so some fat as well. They don't really ever get super defined. Um, but I'm just glad to keep it off by Abs Sexs because they set your bitch ah to have full of fat. Cause like you could like crush it and everything else look fine with a shirt on but then you take off your shirt and your abs aren't there. It's fucking annoying and there's just me myself yesterday I meant to send it to you I don't know why I didn't but I was like oh you go to the gym where your abs and it was like this like this like.

07:06.83

christophknoll

Who.

07:18.10

Paul

Animatomically drawn like person slowly punching someone to the face like it was like I was supposed to show up. Muscles are used when you're punching someone in the face but it was like you just want to hit him in the face I'm like yeah I've been there I know what that's like.

07:31.37

christophknoll

Well, the other one is the the other joke with that is like oh I've got a 6 pack where yours and you're like yeah how much do you weigh and it's like a buck 30

07:40.21

Paul

Yeah, that's not a 6 pack. That's just so destinal fat. You're just skinny. Yes, skinny. Yeah oh I hate that shit might yeah.

07:44.51

christophknoll

So yeah, Skinny Abs. With your pct. Do you have to do any blood work or tests to see like what your levels are at.

07:59.14

Paul

Yeah, so once we run through the pct and we're done that I'll get some blood work done. Check my lipids um, check my lir check my um, my hormone stuff like that basically just get like a whole general panel done. Just to see where everything's at so I'll find out plenty of quality information. My biggest thing going into is going be my lipids my fsh and LH um levels fsh and Lh will kind of show me like where my fertility is at which is good roughly and. So finding out. Basically my ldl and hdl cholesterol my fsation and lh my estrogen my total test and my free test those are the the main things that I'll be looking for in the the panel There's a lot of other things to like create and and proactin is also a big one I want to look for I want to look at. When I say look forward to I mean like looking forward into the future I want to look into um ah prolactin is a big one too because that's the only reason like that's one of the biggest side effects that I have um in general, not really even side effect. It's just the way my body's built I just take out a I just.

08:54.93

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

09:13.60

Paul

Produce a lot of prolactin and I could tell just coming off of caber goaling alone which literally inhibits your prolactin levels because not that my gyno is showing really but like ah my like gyno areas are kind of painful and that's like the one side effect I get from. Like testosterone that aromaizes. So um, but you can't really take caergoing forever. You know I mean it's not something you should be taken for forever. So I hopped off it for a rebound and I'm going to stay off it until potentially my blast. Whatever that's going to be um I'm hoping the blast can be fun. And don't know Goingnna be yet. Um I kind of be like hey let's take something interesting to really put on the size because that's really what I need so we'll see what the plan is ah my coach is very health conscious so we generally lean healthier. Easier on the body anabolics especially consider. We're not doing like something like men's open or some shit. Um, so we don't have to go too harsh. But yeah, so really, just got to get blood work done and see where I'm at and then kind of go from there. Um I remember think he he was on like twelve weeks of nothing last year I think after all of his shows and you just talking my how like at first he was like dying he got used to it. You get used to it after some time but like for a few weeks like it sucks being off shit because you feel like it's super human and then you become normal again and you're like wow I feel like shit. So. That's not gonna be fun.

10:46.13

Paul

But the pct itself is pretty fine because you're still taking test. Um Hcg is also something that a lot of guys run as well that helps with ah a lot of different things within the the male body and you can actually gain muscle like loose fat with it to hmg is going to be interesting. Chlomate if we run that novidext if we run that all that's gonna like even though it's bringing it kind of back to normal. It's also like anabolic in a sense you can use it in anabolic ways chloid so like there's a star right now that everybody's talking about called in Chlomafine ah so in Chlomafine is what. All these different influencers say they're taking now they're still natural but it doubles your test production blah blah blah it doesn't actually do that they're saying that oh because it raises it doubles your fsh and lh hormones so therefore or your fs h and Lh levels. So therefore you're doubling your testosterone blah blah blah and it's like not really what your fsation lh means your fsh and Lh more so kind of actually means like your fertility rather than your actual testosterone production. Yes, it. It is tied to your testosterone but it's not like oh my fsation l h are high so therefore my test is high and it's like that's not really what it is.

12:00.11

christophknoll

So it's a penis bill.

12:02.60

Paul

But in a way It's a testicular pill. But it's ah, let me even let me just tell you what exactly it is um, just ton and ton to seamen.

12:09.58

christophknoll

Finally, the growth hormone us men want.

12:19.70

Paul

Um, yeah, it's an e esussian receptor antagonist. Okay, um, yeah, so it's basically just it let me see if I can read exactly what this abstract says. Um I even know we're gonna read about this or other sort of brought it up. Um. Potential to increase serum testosterone levels in men with secondary hypogonaism. Yeah yeah, okay, hypogonaism by restoring physiological endogenous testosterone secretion while maintaining testicular volume and potentially sperma togens spermo sperma tojaness to it's it's a fucking word. Burma togenesis um, so it's basically um and like honestly I would almost see it as like something you'd use in in pct honestly, rather than something that you'd actually use like in a cycle and the reason. That also makes me think that is because one of the forums I'm in who that I reference actually I've been referencing a lot recently. He talked about how he said basically in Chlomafine is ch cloid with more side effects. So I'm like okay, interesting. Um. So I don't even know you could really like these guys are saying oh they're using and commafine for their blast or whatever. That's how they put almost weight and this muscle and stuff like that. Oh this this fucking abstract was written 2009? Wow okay, it's been around that long interesting. Um, but it really just became popular as Asarm. Um.

13:50.67

Paul

But really, it's not a sarm It's not a selective androgen receptor odulator. It's a esurgen receptor antagonist. But yeah, so like so clomate I guess you can also use for cycle 2 so that'll be interesting. Um I think my last pct was 8 Cg and novadex I think and. It was 5000 I use every three days of the hcg I think it was also tied with the novidex as well. I forget what the dosage was but when I get all that I'll you know obviously let everybody know what what? the plan is something. That's also interesting too. Now I'm thinking about it is my coach posted one of his athletes who's competing um and he actually posted with a story of him. What his cycle was which is interesting and it was my so it was essentially my cycle which is 300 test e or sorry test prop.

14:37.41

christophknoll

Ah huh.

14:46.85

Paul

Um, 300 a mass prop and 150 megs of trend. He was running the same thing as me. Basically so it's just in granted, he's also like twelve thirteen weeks out like they started way the fuck out you mean he's probably now actually more like 10 but when I started that I was like five 6 weeks out. So. You know he'll be He'll be on it a lot longer than I was um, but yeah, it's it's pretty light for for prep dos and it was kind of cool to see him transparent about it. But.

15:16.43

christophknoll

I Was gonna say like we talk about it and people talk about it but to see people actually post a cycle that's that's that's breaking even further into the transparency but like window.

15:22.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah. Yeah I think he he probably asked him if he was cool with him posting what his cycle was because I'd be like like I wouldn't care but at least like ask like if you just like posted it I'd be like I don't like I'll talk about it and you could talk about it if you ask me if it's cool.

15:36.59

christophknoll

Yeah.

15:46.64

Paul

Um, so I mean that's what my assumption is is he probably asked him but I was like I was like I like the transparency and he said that like the guy who runs the team. Um that I'm on he said so my coach said that he would never have been okay with that. But now that the team. Has a bunch of pro guys who are open about their Anabolic usage. It's now the pan doors box is open Now. You can't go back So He's like now I'm going to start talking about it because they're talking about it. So There's no difference. Um, so it's just kind of cool to see that they're all transparent and he's transparent.

16:11.98

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

16:18.70

christophknoll

He posts he postes he posts it anonymously and he's like 1 of my clients is doing this and everyone goes shit is that me or is that am I am I taking the wrong thing did I read the email wrong.

16:29.50

Paul

Is he shocking about me. Yeah, he he? yeah but did I fuck up. Yeah there's this. Um there's this video he posted and he was like I just wanted to show you guys exactly what like is like a perfect way in. He's like 1 of my clients sends me this every single week. He talks about his. His food his sleep his stress his hunger levels. He sends me training videos and like I already knew like 4 other clients that that could have fit including myself I'm like who the fuck is he talking about this could be like 10 different people and then ended up being the same client that he's talking about like what he's taking right now as far as drugs goes. Um.

17:01.40

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

17:06.30

Paul

So it was just um, which I mean I'm fine with he was also in prep too. So like he's only going to show guys who look the best you know or like stuff like that. So like he like even though we send all almost all of us like I've been stay the same way in for years essentially with him so since ah, almost all of us probably I'm assuming.

17:14.74

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

17:24.78

Paul

Said in the same way in he just want to show like the better looking one at the time which he's more deep in prep and he already had good fat distribution going into prep so it wasn't like he was um, you know me starting out with a lot of fat going into my prep for my 2 shows. Um, so he looks pretty decent right Now. So. He ended up posting that but it was just it's just funny because he could be talking about any one of us because there's so us not necessarily would just my coach in general but other athletes as Well. That also take gear and a lot of us, especially men's phsique take very similar cycles. So It's like who is he talking about who are these people calling out because this could be any of us.

18:02.54

christophknoll

When you ah when you hop back on your blast I'm going to ah write your cycle I call it the liver King um, and we're just going to put you on what everything that's on that email. Um, so hope you have some money saved.

18:02.64

Paul

So.

18:11.75

Paul

Um.

18:15.74

Paul

Yeah, 11 grade a month I'll get that all saved up I actually um, speaking of that I've I watched a video of rich Piana talking about what his craziest cycle was that he ever took it was.

18:29.97

Paul

I think he said like 2 I use roughly of GH every hour and a half to two hours um and then he said it was two grams of of test. Um, yeah, two grams of test. Ah it was.

18:39.21

christophknoll

Two grams

18:47.51

Paul

He said 6 to 800 megs of trend and then he said 600 megs of Equipoise. Um, so roughly twenty I use of hgh ah two grams of test 600 to eight hundred Milligrams of trend. And 600 echopoy. So we're talking like lower end. We're talking 3 point two grams of gear and then twenty I use of ghaday sorry not a day the the gears sorry three point two grams of gear typically is what they talk about in a week um and then 20 I use of ghaday um gh just as it measured makes it's measured and I use so can't really say what the make what the milligrams dosage is um I doubt it's even in milligram dosages or if you can even bite at that. But.

19:27.33

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

19:41.76

christophknoll

It's like when you do It's like when you do an ounce to cup conversion it just it's not. It's not like equittable equitable. Sorry.

19:41.78

Paul

Yeah, that was his crazy cycle.

19:48.90

Paul

Yeah, exactly? yeah, it's it's not quite the same. Yeah I know you're good. It's not quite the same so that is and is interesting to hear. Um I also want to preface last episode with ah. We never said that ri pian is the reason he the reason he died was because it's inthal. We never said that we were just we were speculating his usage based off what other people have said as well off his visual looks before he died and then we're talking about how I'm sure that if ah. Synthol just bursts randomly you could potentially die from it. But that's not the recent he died. So I just wanted to mention that about last episode in the case, any of you guys are listening also listen to the bridge pana episode because I know some people thought that we're saying that his synthal is the reason he died and that's not the case. So.

20:40.55

christophknoll

Yeah I was gonna say what a transition.

20:41.60

Paul

Just want to say that but speaking speaking of rich pianoa and yeah, speaking of rich pianoa and people somebody who a lot of people compare to rich pianoa is Sam Selik and he is a hot topic right now who's going crazy fucking viral. So um, we figured. We just talk about him and when we when we do these influencer reviews. It's more just like kind of just talking about him. It's not really like critiquing them or anything like that. It's just what are what our individual thoughts are um sometimes we've mentioned what other people have said um. What other people feel but really just comes down to what we think and what we've seen and how we've interpreted it stuff like that so figure we just kind of do another influencer review about Sam Stulik and talk about him since he's a hot topic and dudes 21 is fucking massive so mine as well.

21:37.86

christophknoll

You know when he first popped up on my page. So I I found him on Instagram um I had no idea who he was it was just popping up like in my for you page and I thought it was just some like random like I didn't think he was big at all because the the car camera angle.

21:43.29

Paul

I Mean yeah.

21:54.26

christophknoll

For him. It's just like it's it's so clearly just like a a um ac vent phone holder like 1 of those little clips that you put in your car. Um and like just a super regular camera angle. So I was like okay this is just like some video some dude like.

21:55.90

Paul

Um, yeah.

22:02.92

Paul

Um.

22:12.87

christophknoll

Just kind of whipped together wasn't anything special but then he continued to pop up and he actually is super super smart and like in-dep with what he does. Um, so it's pretty interesting to see that and like how it's kind of like how um Derek from more plates more dates like he doesn't care for. Like his environment. He just records. You know he's got that little little tiny room that he records in and that's like all he does um with with Sam. It's like the same thing you like it's like here's my car I'm just going to talk um and vice versa in the gym like he's not like.

22:43.89

Paul

Yeah.

22:49.67

christophknoll

1 of the videos I saw recently about him doing leg extensions like he doesn't care how he looks. He's just he just does this thing and he he says what he wants to say and then he just that's that's him. There's no like putting on a facade or anything like that.

23:03.59

Paul

Yeah, he he very much records very similarly to rich where it was like he just kind of like vlogs almost in a sense like he posts 45 minutes to like an hour every day a life and that's just just his in general life. Typically it's it evolves it evolves around training. But um, yeah, it's it's.

23:10.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

23:21.59

Paul

He's just he at first. Um, my opinion of him originally was like oh this guy's just kind of a funny meme. But then I started seeing him more and more and I'm like okay I'm not really liking what this guy preaches because or like the way he lives because he doesn't really trained with good form. He takes way too much gear as far as speculation goes people talk about what it is and dude definite it takes way too much gear. He's 21 looking like that you can have less genetics in the world. You can never look like that without aomic gear. That's just a reality. Um, even cbom who's like a genetics specimen naturally at his age.

23:46.93

christophknoll

Yeah.

24:00.74

Paul

Was nowhere near what Sam was granted obviously Sam is like kind of like more men's open size. Um, but I mean considering his fat levels. He's more men's open size but ah, still it's like c mom is arguably one of the most naturally gifted bodybuilders of all time and he was nowhere near that. So. Um there's a lot of he's definitely out of lot stuff. I'm not gonna say exactly what I'm not that much of an expert into what he could be taking potentially but um, but ah yeah, he starts a counter I'm just not a big fan of that and then his diet is fucking ludicrous I'm just like this this is not good. Um, like these people people kids and teenagers and stuff like that should not really ever eat the way Sam eats like that is fucking bad. So my thing is when with sam specifically I think that.

24:48.56

christophknoll

Yeah.

24:55.94

Paul

As much as I respect him now I think that he's not going to live a long life with the way he's eating with the way he's training with the way he with the gear that he's taking um, he's not going to live a long life. Um, he's going to have to pull it back in order to live a longer life. Might not be his goal There's a lot of guys who don't care how long they live as long as they can be as big and crazy looking as they as they can ah what is just seeing what Sam is doing. He's not going to live long, especially if he's doing it at the h he's at when you're doing it the younger you do it the more i. I want to say this is true I could be wrong, but I want to say the rule. Ah ah 1 rule of thumb is that the younger you do it the more years you're taking off in the end. It's like you're you're damaging your body more when you're taking more shit when you're younger than when you're older. Um, so yeah, ah, that's my.

25:41.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:48.87

Paul

Initial thing with Sam but there's a lot of good that Sam has to offer especially when it just comes with like just being who you are and um, loving what you do and just doing it like he's not very much like ah um, like like rich does all these like he used to do all these like ah. Motivational videos like just get up and do it like he's like you got this like whatever he'd say and he's like you got to fucking eat you time you got to eat big to get big god damn it but like Sam Heel just be like yeah his leg day.

26:13.88

christophknoll

So.

26:25.35

Paul

Gotta go hit legs and I'm like that's literally me I'm like I don't fucking say shit that's motivational. Whatever like I'm just like you just gotta fucking. Do it like it's um, one of my favorite memes of him was ah when you experience almost traumatizing days as a man and was like it was Sam and he goes well that was weird anyways.

26:33.65

christophknoll

Yep.

26:44.79

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, ah.

26:44.87

Paul

Ah, stay and I'm like that's literally what it's like being a guy Well that now is rough. Um I guess Chess now. Yeah, but yeah.

26:53.40

christophknoll

Let's go yeah I was going to say that's like that gives them the relatability that makes them like a lot easier to follow and like because like a lot of like people who are in the bodybuilding world and they post videos and um. Yeah, like you know, especially like training videos people will like you know will watch them. But it's more so to see like form. They're not going to actually be able to relate to the video because the dude is just so much bigger to them and like just lives a lifestyle. They can't whereas Sam like yeah, he looks so much bigger and he is way way way more lean and toned than.

27:21.20

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

27:28.71

christophknoll

Anybody like his age will be but we look at him and he's like he's so casual and he's like yeah, whatever that that's how you know way more of the population is how people are just like all right I'm going to train today like. And so there's way more casual fitness people than there are bodybuilder fitness people. So I think that's what he bridges the gap really well with his demeanor.

27:43.98

Paul

And.

27:51.83

Paul

Yeah I mean he even has like the gymnast swimmer background to you know so like that kind of ties him to it as well. I think he just kind of I mean I don't like it taught there's there's links like generation iron had an article about him which is actually fucking crazy good for him. Um.

27:53.74

christophknoll

Yeah.

28:09.60

Paul

He was a former gymnast and diver not a swimmer a diver but as far as the reason his transition to bodybuilding is or not really even bodybuilding because he hasn't competed just more like his transition to like building up his body. Um I'm not nobody really has talked about that. Um. I think my guess is just he kind of just found that he had like a knack for it like his genetics kind of just like pointed in that direction and that's the reason he went that way and there's a lot of body voters that are like that honestly, the best bodybos in the world are like that Flex Wheeler for instance he was a martial artist I want to say was Jujitsu. And his somebody else that he knew said hey you should try bodybuilding because you look crazy. You're not even trying and so he started you started training like a bodybuilder and you came fucking crazy and he basically there's and there's a video of him talking about how. He said he had to choose between martial arts and bodybuilding and he went to his I think his s sensesaers whoever it was or whatever master or whatever you want to call it in newjitsu and was like look this is what I have to choose between and I don't know what to choose between and I want to say he's his his master told him look you're going to have more success probably in bodybuilding because you're.

29:25.69

christophknoll

Yeah.

29:26.40

Paul

Built for it like you're gifted for it and he's really good at jujitsu too like he's he's phenomenal at that too. But it's just that point in that direction. It's like Ronnie too like he just wanted to be a cop that's it. He just trained and want to be a cop like he just lifted the gym that was it but then he found the guy who owned the gym he went to and was like. If you let me train you and do your diet and all that you could be the best in the world and that's kind of what got him into bodybuilding so like there's a lot of these guys who don't realize they have the jetics for it because everything just kind of works for them. They don't think that that like it doesn't compute to them that that doesn't happen for other people right? so.

30:00.73

christophknoll

Yeah.

30:04.15

Paul

Then they get into bodybuilding and I think that's kind of what happened with Sam was like he was just getting bigger and bigger and he probably like was was gifted genetically and then he is just like hey let's just kind of see what happens when I push it in this direction and now he is where he is um and you know he's genetically gifted because of his fucking. Bullshit food eats every day and the dude still looks the way that he does you know like it's did that's not supposed to happen.

30:29.71

christophknoll

I I just looked at his Instagram and there's not much on his Instagram um, but his most recent post is he goes ah breakfast three hundred calories 30 grams protein

30:35.17

Paul

Um, yeah.

30:43.32

christophknoll

And it's 2 ham and cheese fucking sandwiches that he heated up hip.

30:48.29

Paul

He's on a cut right now. He's cutting with that Im like you motherfucker due to dude just having fucking ham sandwiches for breakfast with cheese and.

31:02.47

christophknoll

Ah, hey have he slammys here.

31:06.50

Paul

Ah, that's mustard. Yeah, and he's cutting right now. Um, there's ah so so generation iron does talk about his ah diet I think at the time of them running this August Twenty Eighth this is just before his books. His cut started. I believe he's only a couple weeks into his cut. Yeah day 24 so he started I think probably September first probably um or maybe like August thirty first or something but this article was written on August Twenty Eighth so really, they probably talked to him like within the week of August Twenty Eighth like probably within the week prior to that.

31:31.28

christophknoll

Yeah.

31:43.85

Paul

So his bulk diet was a quart of chocolate milk which is lot that's a a core is like I think a coret isn't that like a quarter or gallon isn't that why it's called a quark.

31:47.22

christophknoll

Ah, what a start already? Yeah, the the core is the verticals like the the one that's more vertical than than width. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:00.93

Paul

Yeah, the skinny one. Yeah, let me let me just make sure I'm thinking of the right like I wanna make sure I know the other measurement. Um I mean it. It's four cups. Hes a quarter of milk is four cups of milk. Really.

32:05.34

christophknoll

Imagine how expensive it is to buy that much milk.

32:16.37

christophknoll

That doesn't sound right? yeah.

32:18.58

Paul

Ah, thought he had more than that. Yeah I could have swo he had he had more than that thirty two fluid ounces so okay so it's a it's a quarter of a gallon. Yeah, so it's a quarter of a gallon. So it's like the skinny skinny gallon that he gets not skinny gallon the skinny jug. But.

32:30.13

christophknoll

Yeah.

32:36.60

Paul

Um, so he starts off with that then he has cereal for his pre-workout meal and it says in parentheses. It says he wants four hundred grams of carbs in his system before he trains. So between meal one and two. He's getting four hundred grams of carbs in that's more than I've had in a day.

32:51.17

christophknoll

How much so um, ah how muchereal is he eating. Ah.

32:56.60

Paul

Gotta to be a shit Tod. It has to be um and we see if I can find out like the nutrition of ah of chocolate milk for a core. Let's see what it says so this is Walmart true value, 1% lowfat um, it's so he's probably taken in like twelve hundred calories it looks like because one cup. Oh no, this is a half gallon sorry never mind that's not that's not correct the hell google fucking buthole. Yeah, so okay, so this is.

33:25.43

christophknoll

Well, that's it's going to be based off serving size. So.

33:33.34

Paul

Prairie farms he's from Iowa Ohio so I'm not sure what brands and milky has up there. It comparison to elsewhere. Um, but for for this this is chocolate milk. It just has chocolate milk. That's it doesn't say what kind of milk it is but it's 4 servings. 1 cup is 1 serving and that's 210 calories in one cup. So we're talking eight hundred fifty Ish calories um in in basically his breakfast which is I mean when you're bulking and he's trying to hit five thousand calories that's I feel like that's pretty typical. Um, that's not very surprising for what it actually is.

33:54.88

christophknoll

Yeah.

34:11.41

Paul

Um, but it's just that the fact that he drink fucking chocolate milk is what's about the dairy as far as cereal doesn't say how much cereal. Um, he has posted ah like his his meals when he trains and stuff like that like he'll talk about.

34:13.63

christophknoll

For.

34:31.19

Paul

But he's eating and stuff um his meal 3 which is his postworkout meal is a protein shake then at the time of this article writing it said Sam and the hostile team stop at 5 guys. So I guess that like part of this article writing hostile was also hanging out with them too or like doing something with them too.

34:46.72

christophknoll

Well, it's in his it's in his bio. He's and a hostile athlete.

34:48.27

Paul

Um, and then meal. Yeah no I know that but he's in Ohio and I don't think everybody in hostiles in Ohio I think they all flew out to him to like hang out and train and shit and I think that.

34:58.99

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:04.00

Paul

Part of that was generation iron being there writing an article. So I think Hawstyle wanted to show support when they're going to write the article and they showed up for him. That's my guess is he's like hey look you know Generation Iron is going to come to an article on me. They asked me to do it and I think um, foad.

35:10.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:22.10

Paul

And whoever else showed up came out to show support for the article but they got a 5 guys not his post workout but meal 4 and then meal five is crispy cream donuts and another quart of milk. So. That's his. That's his food every day that's his that's his food the only real like actual like quality food he got in there was that protein shake like 5 guys is not quality. It's quantity.

35:41.59

christophknoll

Oh absurd.

35:55.10

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:58.36

Paul

You know so the only like actually good for you thing he had in there was that protein shake and even then it's a protein shake you should have whole food instead. So that's his meals. That's why I'm just like I'm not the biggest fan of his diet I don't think I mean nobody really everybody knows his diet is fucking ridiculous. But.

36:05.37

christophknoll

Yeah.

36:17.21

Paul

It's just.

36:17.62

christophknoll

Ah I mean it's It's like milk too like you you you're getting the calories but you'd prefer to be and you know something a little different.

36:23.57

Paul

Yeah, easier to digest better on the system and we're not supposed to have dairy in the first place. So having chocolate milk and then having another quarter of milk at meal five is ridiculous. That's insane.

36:28.12

christophknoll

Yeah.

36:38.54

christophknoll

That's one hundred percent like just his little kid like addiction that just never got kicked in adulthood.

36:43.86

Paul

Yeah, he just loves it and then how the fuck do you have just like crispy cream donuts every day I mean I dont know this is every day.

36:51.79

christophknoll

And it's not he's not having 1 or 2 like he's having a box of crispy cream donughnuts I've seen his videos on it.

37:00.10

Paul

Oh yeah, but um, you can crush. It's easy to crush a dozen you know, crispy cream donuts. They're pretty small. Ah they're like you know, gay big. Oh yeah, well yeah, if you get them hot and ready. Yeah, if they're hot, especially.

37:05.74

christophknoll

Yeah, but they're they're they're packed the the amount of glazing and stuff on there. They're they're packed in calories. Yeah.

37:17.37

Paul

They'll be they'll be covered in glaze. But if they're not hot. The glaze will kind of just drip off over time. But ah yeah, cruspy creepb is wild I've had it a couple times and it's it's wild. But ah, that's that's his meals I mean they generation I to talk about whether or not he's natural. They said he's not really talked about it openly but he said we can only make assumptions and he's well over two hundred and forty pounds and it says which most most of which is street muscle mass in order to get to this level bodybuilding oftentimes performance and tencing drugs are utilized.

37:53.80

christophknoll

Well so here's the thing like he hasn't performed yet. He hasn't stepped on stage yet has he I haven't seen anything well like that's that's such a wild thing like like why why get yourself to that.

37:54.57

Paul

So.

37:59.10

Paul

No I don't I don't know if he ever will honestly I don't know if he ever will.

38:10.48

christophknoll

Point and not ever step on stage.

38:11.62

Paul

But here's the thing though most people on steroids will never compete competing in bodybuilding is a niche side of fitness. It's a very niche side of fitness. It doesn't seem like that because that's where all the influencers aren't shit but it really actually is. It's very very niche. Ah you know I mean in the gyms that I go to even like out of everybody there at the busiest time maybe 2 to 3 of us actually compete and I know that. It's a niche because the gym owner came up to me and said hey do you compete I saw you wereossing I'm like so if he noticed that I pose and he came up to me about it that not many people compete here because it it caught Him. He noticed it. You know like he it caught him like they didn't really catch him off guard but like he was like oh that's.

38:58.44

christophknoll

Yeah.

39:06.52

Paul

You don't see that you know so it is on the more niche side of things. So most people who do take steroids one don't look like they take steroids and 2 don't compete so that's the thing and it's just that's why anybody who competes in Bodybuil says you really shouldn't be taking it unless you are competing. There's really no point.

39:06.94

christophknoll

Yeah.

39:24.70

christophknoll

Yeah.

39:26.27

Paul

But there's a lot of reasons people take it. Um Sam I mean obviously he takes it. You could just help based off his acne alone and no fake news.

39:34.45

christophknoll

No, he's natural. He's natural I take him I take a multivitamin. Yeah fight it the the meme of.

39:46.12

Paul

It's a flintstone gummies I take 30 flintstone gummies a day.

39:52.84

christophknoll

Cancer cells in my body in the one flintstone yummy eight thirteen years ago and then it's like some battle scene.

39:57.82

Paul

Yeah, literally just fighting everything off. Yeah yeah, so this this generation iron ah article does mention his acne and his consistent shortness of breath which is true. A lot of people also talk about his midsection Sam's midsection points to a lot of um I mean all right, not necessarily a lot but it points to growth hormone usage um because his abs have gradually built up over time and that's a big sign of gh use as well as. If you're looking at someone who's got their abs out and they got bumps on their abs like these little knots that's oftentime gh use most likely not necessarily all the time but most likely because ah when you're taking gh. Just realized every single one of his Instagram photos have the same. He has the exact same hat on this is September fourth and then this one September fourth of last year wait was it? No, it's not.

40:55.83

christophknoll

Yeah, is a.

41:04.60

christophknoll

Is the GH thing just because of where the the GH cells no I'll not GH cells that's not what I mean. Um just where they're they're kept in the body like because of the you talk about like the bumps on the abs or.

41:14.28

Paul

No, no so sorry I got sidetracked because he went the same hat every single post. Um, he the the bums of the knots from Gh is because when you're injecting in the same spot every day. Your body's gonna build up natural. Occurring Scar tissue essentially and fat and that's why when you see guys with ah with like bumps on their abs. It's because they're they're pitting in the same spot and it builds up over time. So That's one. Way of knowing hey this guy's probably on Gh because you you inject gh typically subcutaneously in your fat and the easiest place to do that is in your belly fat. Most guys like myself most of my fat sits in my belly so you just basically pinch a little bit of skin and just inject it. No problem for B anytime.

41:58.81

christophknoll

Interesting I didn't know people pinned in the in the front I for I mean obviously I don't do any of that but to me penning is always in the ass or like the or like the arm. But I've never thought about it like give me it. Ja.

42:04.55

Paul

No no is. Yeah, so you do basically little rundown of pinning so I pin in my glutes which is one inch it's a one inch 32 gauge I think it's 32 gauge needle called the harpoon. That's what I use for my for my glutes because I need the distance for one inch and in order to get. Deep into the muscle I can get into the muscle with a half inch needle but an inch is is for sure all the way in. Um, then you have you can pin essentially wherever you want. The problem is is you want an area with more oils in order to absorb. Whatever you're taking in better. So that's why the most common placess to pin are your glutes and your delts but there are plenty of guys. So when you do your delts you do half inch typically like ah insulin syringe. It's it's a very tiny syringe. It's like it's like 36 gauge 38 gauge something like that like really really tiny syringe.

43:11.60

Paul

Pin in your doubts some guys pin in their packcs I don't know why you would, but that's up to them some guys pinning their quads which you should never do do not ever fucking pin into your quads. A lot of guys now are starting to pin in their lats so they'll they'll hunch over. Something like that take the syringe and just go right here on their outer lap. But when you're doing subcutaneous which is within your fat you use the same half inch insulin syringe and you pinch really? ideally your belly fat. Um I don't know anybody who does anywhere else. But. Do your belly fat I know some actually some over the counter stuff you get now go over the counter but like stuff you get prescribed from doctors. You can do and they they advise you do it your your leg fat. They say to pinch your like fat and inject it in there I'm like okay, whatever. But I mean not to me but to people I know they said that and then um. So in your belly you you just pinch and then you inject into your to your fat there. It slowly digests over time. That's why you do it there with something like gh typically what happened is the reason why rich mentioned he did it every 2 hours he did also mention that was a bitch du. Do it every 2 hours because when you take something like gh.

44:15.55

christophknoll

Yeah.

44:28.64

Paul

You should wait a half hour after you die and after you inject inject it in order to eat. You shouldn't eat until half half hour after you inject it and that's why I was a bitch for him because he was eaten. He said like 12 meals a day what he was saying he he ate at the time there are tiny meals I'm sure. But. 12 meals at the time so it was a bitch for him to find the time to do it where he has an empty stomach and then to wait more time as well after that in order to to have it pin. But um, yeah, so that's that's how you pay the gh and that's that's how you can tell sometimes.

44:55.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

45:04.53

Paul

Somebody's on gh. This is one video I saw of this guy yesterday he ah du was he was tiny like he's small but he was super super super fucking lean just super diced. Um, and you could just see like 4 different bumps on his abs like they're like little balls like you put like a marble almost in his abs and that's. Because of gh use. That's why you should rotate where you pen and that's why I'll be rotating where I pin soon enough once I get on trt which is probably what we'll do well probably honestly probably what my prediction is is. We're going to be doing trt during pct and then taper off. Ah, get healthy. Maybe do a little bit of trt and then get into a blast but trt I'm going to probably swap to my delts because I've been pinning my glutes too much not too much but for so long and so many times over the past like year that like my g gluitch are really starting to get fucking tired of it. And I think that's part of the reason my fat is building up in my glutes is because of that so I got to walk to my delts. But.

46:01.60

christophknoll

Well you guys you guys are behind on the curve I pin in my temple right? up top.

46:07.49

Paul

Just I do my eye socket with Bow Shark testosterone. It's perfect. Go straight to the bloodstream.

46:14.92

christophknoll

I don't actually pin I Just take a shot of test.

46:18.75

Paul

Yeah, you just drink it you you like you like buy testosterone from a guy and you're like you're like dude why is it taste like shit you like do.

46:29.43

christophknoll

Ah.

46:33.99

christophknoll

Ah, no, no, you buy you buy it. You buy it from a guy at the gym and you go hey man Ah, ah first I'm I'm a veteran I know how to take it drinks it in front of.

46:37.21

Paul

Shock.

46:44.39

Paul

He just pop that top the vial off you is So yeah, all of me like why did it taste so bad. The do just sit. There were those like jaw dropped like. You just fucking Dr You like was.

47:04.95

christophknoll

And then that immediately crushes up a D ball and snorts.

47:11.90

Paul

Like what the fuck this edible I don't know what's gonna happen to you when you drake it but to stop' Goingnna happen and I would think it's gonna be good. That's so funny.

47:22.63

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, and I and I butt jugged my pre-workout.

47:26.90

Paul

Yeah, yeah, you're like you're like a funnel and you just like you pour the whole tub in there and they just pour like the water down it. He's like oh yeah, twenty grams of bit alanine.

47:37.30

christophknoll

Ah, you got to think out Sir you got to think outside the box to get the gains.

47:42.16

Paul

You absorb it way better that way and you do like one set of like bias steps that then you leave.

47:47.46

christophknoll

Ah, hey.

47:53.75

christophknoll

Um, and that that's bad taking taking like 3 different compounds and just mixing it into a smoothie or something and drinking it.

47:56.20

Paul

It's like cocaine bear.

48:05.52

Paul

We're gonna make a protein shake today. It's going to include ten grams of test three hundred grams of creatine. That's your approach got to get eat got to eat big to get big godam it oops busted.

48:15.29

christophknoll

Like he big can feet but this is a snack.

48:21.78

Paul

It's like a test vial This is a stack. This isn't a meal on the way to the gym straight test straight to the digestive system. Oh sure, that's funny. Why does it taste a fuck it bad. Why are you tasting it.

48:30.52

christophknoll

Ah, well I'm crying. Ah god.

48:40.58

christophknoll

And I'm going to text Van now and be like hey man just hopped on my first cycle. Just want to know why do I Anabolics taste so bad when I drink. Um.

48:51.77

Paul

Oh man, that's funny. Um Van I can say is for sure has been natural for prime most of his life. Besides maybe maybe t r t at the most but he's natural for sure.

49:01.80

christophknoll

I Mean he's got. He's end of the age where where where T R T is just like a normal part of what you can take like at that point you're actually getting that though you're getting like the legitimate prescription at this point like all of us talk about test and everything but this is the age where you actually get it prescribed.

49:07.80

Paul

Yeah, can be very beneficial.

49:20.27

Paul

Yeah, exactly I don't know what he's doing. But um, if he ever has. But ah yeah, it's he's from minor saying he's been natural his whole life. But.

49:32.61

christophknoll

I did pretty decent conversation with someone there who I so I actually worked out with this guy back at the beginning of my fitness journey at planet fitness and I just saw ah at Van again we had a good talk about sarms and everything. So.

49:47.51

Paul

Okay.

49:49.74

christophknoll

There's people and then there are some motherfucking hulks there that you are absolutely sure are on gear like it's insane.

49:57.79

Paul

Yeah I'm sure there's a few I haven't been at like the busier times in a while. So I can't say who goes there anymore. But um, yeah for sure. Yeah, exactly like that's I've told you it's really not that bad like but it's busy. It's not actually like busy. It's just busy in proportion.

50:01.94

christophknoll

All busy as busy as like 5 people.

50:14.60

christophknoll

when I was describing yeah when I was describing the place to my girlfriend. Um I told her I was like listen this is the place where like I disappear into the dungeon don't make any fitness posts for like six months and just come out a different person like.

50:15.35

Paul

Is goy.

50:28.62

christophknoll

There's nobody there. Nobody's going to track along the process. So it's it's perfect like empire. There are just so many people. What's it.

50:31.23

Paul

Use like his at the sun. Yeah, there is I said you just like Hiss at the sun when you come out out of Anarchia yeah is like brought to your car. Yeah leave me alone I'm building it.

50:42.00

christophknoll

Ah, you can't see my gains.

50:48.86

Paul

Um, like Michael D'angelo or Michelangelo fucking building a sculpture whoever builds scs I don't know but um, yeah, yeah, no, that's that's vanarchy for you. It's the dungeon. But yeah for Sam um, he actually.

50:51.94

christophknoll

Yeah.

51:06.90

Paul

From what I've seen he apparently lifts a lot at Planet Fitness actuallyly.

51:10.15

christophknoll

That's yeah, that's actually a big thing. 1 of the first videos I saw of him was ah it's just him saying all these guys bash on planet fitness. But here I am getting everything I need done.

51:20.14

Paul

Yeah, he probably maxes out every fucking machine though and shit like he definitely maxes everything out.

51:23.39

christophknoll

Well so so that came up in the Greg dusette video that I watched um and he talks about his leg extensions and he he so stacks the entire leg extension thing and does single and he does like you know fifteen Twenty reps on each leg. And then we'll put both in just to burn out with both of them like if he did it with with both legs. He'd be sitting there doing it to a hundred reps like absurd.

51:50.90

Paul

Yeah, yeah, exactly he has to do it in a weird way in order to actually make it worth It. I mean I do see him training elsewhere as Well. Like there's this video right here his full cut day 10 chest you could tell that's not at a planet fitness same with the light day before that. Like I mean now that I see it. It looks like most of the time he's training now is not actually out of planet and fitness but it used to be um, it used to be almost all plight of fitness. Yeah, looking back when he was bulking like all of its plight of fitness besides a couple videos here and there but most of it's Planet Fitness. So um. Yeah, just now he might be going somewhere Else. He might have noticed hey actually I think I get better results if I go to this other gym now now that I know what it's like but also the other reason why I don't think he'll be either competing.

52:34.63

christophknoll

Yeah.

52:44.59

Paul

Ever or competing soon. The reason I don't think he will be is because his posing is nowhere near ready to step on stage. Um, he like rounds out his back when he does a rear double. Um, he doesn't puff up puff up his chest at all when he does the front lat spread stuff like that like he has a good most muscular. Um, and the other thing with Sam too is that I think he also if I was him and I was in his shoes I think I would wait like a good three four more years before stepping on stage like make it to like my mid 20 s roughly because that's when you really your body really matures over those years and you really start building out your frame regardless of how big you are but like you can tell just by looking at Sam just based off his overall frame and and muscular density and muscular maturity. Um that he is on the younger side like especially his legs like his legs are huge and they're very lean, but they're very like ah. Like rounded he doesn't have like much quad separation. It's they kind of just mend like they kind of just melt into each other which is part of like muscle muscular maturity and muscle density that you build up as you grow older. So um, stuff like that I think is what's gonna play a big role into him.

53:51.37

christophknoll

Yeah.

54:01.11

Paul

Potentially moving into bodybuilding one day is that he needs to just build into his frame. Not also just build out his frame but but build into it. His bone structure. He's still growing. He's still young enough to be growing so he's going to. He's going to be a different guy in 3 4 years time. So. I think if he's ever going to compete. He needs to wait until then and like another show of that is his waste because his waste is pretty wide for where he's at with his physique which granted I mean that's just men's open for you in general I mean part of getting big is you're going to have a big waste.

54:32.99

christophknoll

I Was gonna say that I was gonna say that's like purely men's open like he's out the door for like certainly out the door for physique and borderline out the door for classic physique.

54:44.66

Paul

Oh he is definitely out of the door for classic as well. I mean it just doesn't he he's too big already for classic he he'd have to really cut back on weight in order to even make classic weight but it also like his if you were to train with someone who has a lot more muscle maturity and density.

54:54.99

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

55:04.62

Paul

You would be able to see it with 1 the way he with the way he trains and then also the way he's pushing so like a really good example of this There's a video of Nick Walker and cbom training and cbom was outlifting nick he was they did the tea they did a tbar row and Nick did like 3 or 4 plates. And I think c bump put on like another 2 or 3 and that's just because he just has more muscle density and therefore he' is a bit stronger at least in that movement itself. Um, and that's just that's just part of it like that's why these dudes who were in their forty s that have been trade the same way for 20 years can bench 3 4 plates for fucking reps because they just their muscles are so dense from building up so much time that they can do it in their sleep but it doesn't just start that way. So even though Sam's strong like a motherfucker He's going to get stronger and stronger over time. Um.

55:45.33

christophknoll

Yeah.

56:01.86

Paul

And I also think that like I just wonder what his cut looks like what his gear and stuff like that for his cut looks like and what this potential cut is for like he's he's at 2 2 35.4 in yesterday's video so like what is he trying to get to what's the goal. What is he like is he is it more of like a recompmp like is it just he wants to get us fat down so he can put on some more size or like what's the reason for the cut so that as well. Also alters when it comes to bodybuilding to where in bodybuilding you do your bulk. Like there's there's like almost like every year is the same essentially like viset like you just plan your show out and then you could structure your whole year off that essentially where when you don't have shows planned or anything like that. You're kind of just going through the motions which is kind of like me right now like. Like with my rebound like obviously there's a focus of putting on size but there's no like deadline like that's one of the things I loved about prepping for a show was I had a deadline this is when I need to look the best I have this but this long and I was focused because of that like I'm like okay my goal is to hit this for this week you know this for the next week whatever it is because they need to look this way on this day where when you're just bulk and cutting. It's harder for me to stay focused because it's like there's no goal. You're just let's just put on size. Let's just take off at let's just put on size. Ah so I wonder where he's at mentally right now with that too and.

57:30.27

Paul

What his plans are for the future and I just don't think it's bodybuilding necessarily anytime soon because he's like doing like a cot rather than like a prep you know so I don't know. Yeah, imagine you'd have to be Brian Shaw

57:37.98

christophknoll

I'm on the gold of £500

57:44.72

christophknoll

Well I get I get a lot of you know and after the whole conversation we've had with um, not competing or just doing all this influencing stuff without having the stage aspect of it I get a lot of null diesel vibes now because like. You know he's at the point in his life where he's just posting content. He's not competing anymore. He goes to all the big functions but like he's just you know him? So I'm getting that just you know 15 years younger. 20 years younger

58:13.90

Paul

Yeah that's fair that was fair I mean it's some people just have the people just have the physique and they don't want to compete. That's just a reality some some like Alex Ebanks is an example of that you like I don't think he'll ever compete and if he does. He's probably gonna get He's probably people are gonna bop the floor with him probably it just doesn't typically doesn't translate if you're building a physique that looks good for Instagram and Youtube and stuff is not gonna be a physique that looks good on stage. It's just the reality. You have to almost always pick and choose I mean that's why you don't see Cbo posting too much of his physique on Instagram himself because to him he only looks good when he's on stage in a sense like yeah like he'll post like videos and stuff like that during his prep but like during his book and stuff like that he doesn't look good enough to post is his opinion. But.

59:06.30

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah.

59:08.16

Paul

In order to feel that you look good enough to post you have to keep this certain look for an extended period of time and that just is not conducive for bodybuilding. It's not how it works. So um I don't know where he's going to end enough I Just think that.

59:24.20

Paul

The way he lives his life I think he's gonna he's gonna hurt himself with the way he lives his life and the way he trains and all of that. But I Also think that um he has a lot of positive things to to bring about as well and he just seems like a really cool Dude. He does seem very lonely I have noticed that he seemed very lonely in the way that he he talks and acts. Especially when he's at Home. He just seems very lonely like his camera is his best friend I could be completely wrong. It just how it seems Ah, it could just be his his demeanor. It could be his Mannerisms I'm not sure, but just how it seems but the dude is like fucking funny.

59:46.24

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:58.47

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:59.77

Paul

You've ever watched clips like real clips of him. He's hilarious like there's this video yesterday he was like ah this is what I'm having for food. Do you want to guess how many calories there are in it good guess. Ah, it's 360 and it was like what like top comment was like. Me who answered like it's door of the explorer I like this dude is just like naturally funny. So it's just he's agitating for that reason. But yeah, he's got He's got a good personality. It seems. Ah.

01:00:16.54

christophknoll

I.

01:00:30.16

christophknoll

That's that's Great. I Mean That's what you got to have with the influencing world. Yeah.

01:00:35.76

Paul

He engages with the camera like it's a person. Yeah yeah, he he had. He's found his niche. He's funest thing and it's just who he is you really at the end of the day. His physique is why he got like his physique is even really why he got viral. It was just him driving in his car. That's what made him go viral. His physique is just.

01:00:43.34

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:00:55.39

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:00:55.78

Paul

Secondary to that in a sense you know so it's just interesting to see that and that's I think people like that Love it more you know because there's especially in bodybuilding. There's so many assholes that are professional bodybuilders that.

01:01:00.52

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:01:10.68

Paul

Are only famous or only viral or anything like that because they have crazy physiques same as the opposite he got viral because of just who he is as a person I think those guys deserve way more success than the guys who deserve success just off their physique physique alone. What do you actually bring to the world besides a look that may last like 5 years

01:01:29.66

christophknoll

Yeah, you got to have the charisma.

01:01:30.16

Paul

You know I mean like what are you bringing to the table and that's why like Noel yeah Noels popular not because of his size but because of who he is as a person of course he's big and he has this knowledge because of his size and experience. But who is his person is the reason why he's popular.

01:01:48.28

christophknoll

Yeah, cool. Well, that's our ah deep dive of Sam Sulek solek sulek solik muscles sam muscles

01:01:51.32

Paul

That's my opinion. I think it's sulik I don't know I give you wrong. She like whatever it is Sam 21 year old big dude back vins.

01:02:04.30

christophknoll

Yeah, oh my God I saw that picture Jet I that took me by such surprise I thought it was like some kind of a striation or something and then it was like oh those are veins back there.

01:02:14.49

Paul

Yeah, it's It's not uncommon when I was in prep I had back veins. It's pretty when you're lean enough. You'll have back veins. It's It's not especially in your traps like where he has it. It's exactly where typically you have back veins like your upper back traps Rom Void stuff like that is where you'll get your back veins.

01:02:31.27

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:02:33.14

Paul

it's pretty it's it's none yeah you see it didn't surprise me and then like his like this right here but he did that that pose on Instagram um I had veins there 2 and I was in prep and I had veins going down here too. It just it's just how it depends on how lean you are is is your vascularity at the end of the day and also key or to like.

01:02:49.65

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:02:52.83

Paul

Um, Klan may be very very vascular so that plays a role too. Whatever he's taking is is also helping him be vascular. But anyways.

01:03:01.11

christophknoll

Hell yeah, well we'll ah we'll be catching youall next week maybe continue this little series we're doing but ah, bodybuilders will do some more deep dives of them. Well and we won't do any cliche ones. Well we'll find cool ones to talk about.

01:03:11.13

Paul

Yeah, yeah, 5 more niche and shit.

01:03:19.29

christophknoll

Yeah, the Mike Menzer Meth Cycle but Jesus ah, why does it taste weird.

01:03:20.88

Paul

Yeah,, we'll talk about that whole episode about Meth and how to dose it. Why does the Meth taste bad What why are you taking meth that you should not be doing that. Why does this? It's like you're taking crack. Why does it hurt my teeth to chew it.

01:03:36.67

christophknoll

Ah, but the rocks are hard to chew. Ah.

01:03:49.59

Paul

We crack? Yeah, it looks like those like rock cans you on a stick. So I thought yeah it's not poppping. The crack isn't popping. It's not snap snap crackling pop. It's just crack my teeth.

01:03:56.46

christophknoll

It's pop rocks. Ah.

01:04:06.11

christophknoll

Yeah I guys we'll be catching you next week please

01:04:09.41

Paul

But cool all right. We'll see you guys.


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