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Influencer Review #3.1 - Arnold Schwarzenegger


00:00.00

christophknoll

Brand New never-before-seen Arnold information.

00:03.49

Paul

You heard it here first bullshit. There's nothing coming our way was arnold even in the olympia is Arnold Schwarzenegger real alien perhaps

00:07.55

christophknoll

We got to keep doing the we got to keep doing the click paid stuff.

00:17.18

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, Arnold like birds government drone.

00:22.60

Paul

Is he is he in does he speak english like it's just like stupid as shit. Yeah, not yeah, barely yeah was he even from Austria or was he from a lab getups come up with something ridiculous that doesn't exist.

00:26.22

christophknoll

Well not well.

00:39.20

christophknoll

Yeah, well that brings us to our our topic for today. We're gonna and we've done some deep dives in the past of some different influencers or bodybuilders and we'll be taking a look at the man today Arnold. Um.

00:42.10

Paul

Once I get views.

00:54.85

christophknoll

Basically the guy who brought fame to the sport of bodybuilding the guy who kind of popularized and made you know bodybuilding what it is today. Um, the money wasn't so much when he was around but he certainly was a influencing.

00:58.17

Paul

My gift.

01:12.64

christophknoll

Factor for it.

01:15.70

Paul

I'm gonna look up the prize weddings for like the olympia winnings. Um, because back then when he was I gonna look up the past. So.

01:19.81

christophknoll

Current or when he was well yeah it was. You got you got like a your your meal paid for that day.

01:33.39

Paul

Yeah, literally though was like nothing um and let me see prize money there. It's gotta be like a history of it every olympia winner and prize money. Um, right, let's see what we got here? Yeah so to put it into perspective. Um, what this is not really that current but this year Derek Lunsford winning I believe he got 400 grand um for winning the Miss Olympia

02:03.77

christophknoll

Um, yep.

02:08.13

Paul

Back in Arnold's time there's there's just Mr. Olympia there was no anything else to it. There was no female competitors. No other divisions. It was just 1 competition one division. It was just men's open so when he was competing 1970 through 1973 um, it was ah let me see I guess it just skips out in 1980 so 19701973 he got $1000 which with inflation let me look up.

02:39.26

christophknoll

Like per per Olympia or total between those years. Okay.

02:44.20

Paul

Yeah, no per per yeah so let me see here so $1000 in. We'll just say nineteen seventy is equivalent to 8 grand today. So he won 8 grand essentially 1970 through 1973 and then 2500 um, for his seventy four and seventy five when um, so for that that'll be like let's move to 74. It's about sixteen and a half thousand yeah so just just about double. Um, you know with inflation and all of that included I don't know what he won for 1980.

03:09.44

christophknoll

18 grand now. Okay.

03:21.68

Paul

Least this site doesn't say it but looking at the other years it looks like 1980 must have been twenty five thousand because frankco colombo won in 1981 and he got twenty Twenty Five Thousand and then um Chris Dickerson won 54000 so it's very possible that the 1980 Olympia he won Twenty five thousand but that might have been the year that was that the year that was controversial for his win. He never won 79.

03:49.38

christophknoll

I want to say 79 was as controversial. Ah, okay, it was one of the late 70 s that's that's all I know.

03:58.19

Paul

Yeah, ah, let me see. Yeah so he won okay so it wasn't the controversial one so he won Twenty five thousand that year so 1980 was the year that a really upticked so he went from essentially sixteen half thousand in today's money to.

04:08.45

christophknoll

Yep.

04:15.69

Paul

Um, me see just under a $100000 in today's money so I mean that's a that's a pretty big jump from 1 year to the next because 1979 was um, who was it. Okay, so 1979 they had 15000 for Frank Zain no seventy nine was 25000 78 was 15077 en thousand seventy seven was 5000 and then 76 was 5000 so they upped it in 76 they up it again in 78 and they update again in 79 and then just one thousand until 1984.

04:46.37

christophknoll

Yeah.

04:51.24

Paul

Which was then 50000 and then they slowly increased over time from there. Um, but yeah, so now the prize money ever since 2017 has been 400000 which is one of the longer stretches actually of of a prize money without adjustment each year they go up but since 2017 the past six seven olympias ah, they haven't ah they haven't adjusted it. So um, yeah, 400 grand ever since 2017.

05:17.77

christophknoll

And overall the point we're making here is that ah your boy Arnold did it purely for the love of the of the sport and he he was actively working like hard physical labor jobs with Frank Franco Colombo while you know.

05:22.45

Paul

Nice.

05:33.87

christophknoll

Performing at the olympia and training like a madman like he what he did get paid and was provided housing for a time by Joe Weider when he first came over from Austria but over time he just started to do jobs and start looking into his real real estate portfolio and all of that and. Just started doing real work so he was doing essentially the training and everything that people do now while also working a full time job which is nuts.

06:00.59

Paul

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty ah, interesting to hear because he does talk about that like in different documentaries and stuff like that. How there really was no money I mean even in sponsorships and all of that there really was no money at any point ah to be made. Really It's just the magazines really if if you're going to make anything and then a smattering of money from from different competitions. But this is also like especially the 80 s the 80 s was really the year of like experimentation when it came to bodybuilding competitions and all of that. Ah, because with the eighty s. We kind of slowly moved into the 90 s where like the mass monsters came about with Dorian Yates so like the 80 s was a really weird place where it was like not many people really know a lot of the winners from the 80 s I mean Lee Haney pretty much dominated the entirety of the 80 s prior to that was Samir. Bennu. And Chris Dickerson um Fred Collomo one in the 80 s and then arnold one 1980 but um, one of the things that started I think in the late 80 s and was getting into the early 90 s that failed but you know retrospectively were like okay that makes sense why it failed but at the time bodybuilding was still pretty fresh and I mean. Leeigh Haney was winning 50 grand when he first started winning Olympia and then winning a hundred grand towards the end of his olympia wins but that was when like ah Li ah not leap priest. Um, why am I trying a blank quadzilla what's his name fucking.

07:32.49

Paul

Why am I drawing a blank blonde guy 5 more reps.

07:35.60

christophknoll

Oh come on Tom there we go.

07:40.80

Paul

Tom Platz so Tom plattz he started a bodybuilding competition series or he was trying to where instead of prize money being paid out per show. It would be like a series of shows that you'd sign a contract and you'd compete at these shows.

07:58.58

christophknoll

Only.

07:58.62

Paul

And you get paid yearly right? So like you get like a annual salary. Well you you want you to get paid monthly or whatever The actual payment schedule was but yeah, there's an actual annual amount that you get paid and you compete at the shows that the show is putting on so it's almost kind of like in a way like a traveling.

08:04.20

christophknoll

The breakdown here.

08:16.54

Paul

Entertainment rather than like bodybuilding competitions so that was like Tom Plasz's idea and one of the biggest person you know bodybuders that he approached was actually um Dorian Yates and you know Dorian which is like look I can't I can't do it I just truly think I'm going to become the Olympia Mr. Olympia one day. And I have to go for that so you know he respected that.

08:36.34

christophknoll

And at the same time at at the same time like you can't expect bodybuilders to sit in bodybuilding shape for that long. You know that's multiple shows like I mean I know I mean Tom Platz is very knowledgeable about all of it. But I'm sure.

08:48.56

Paul

Um, um.

08:55.72

christophknoll

It was going to be kind of pushing it to the test.

08:58.82

Paul

Yeah, so it was called world bodybuilding federation. So wvf. Um, oh 1991 actually so is founded by Vin Sick mayhan the guy behind W W.

09:08.62

christophknoll

Yeah Mcmahon Ah Mcmahon has he himself didn't ever go for the olympia but he was big into bodybuilding himself. So.

09:17.18

Paul

Yeah, so I correct I will I stayed corrected. It was not to 1980 s it was 1990 when it started it dissolved in 92? Um, but basically it was it. It says it was bigger prize money and more dramatic events to the sports of bodybuilding. Um, it's goingnna be pay perview just like anything else. Yeah um, sign longterm contracts with a number of ib regulars ad jordanance rosters with annual salaries as high as 400 grand.

09:40.15

christophknoll

Can you get.

09:46.53

christophknoll

Can you imagine all right gentlemen have front lap pose and then the commentators go my God for a steel chair from behind.

09:56.67

Paul

Yeah, yeah, so he just like dives into smack during yates on the top of the head with a steered steel chairir Um, and then stupidly they introduced a fucking drug testing policy.

10:06.32

christophknoll

Yeah, that's no good.

10:09.16

Paul

And that's what it was right there so well it was ww ww f wrestlers. Um that were tested and all of that and that went south and therefore world bodybuiling federation went south. So it was I guess maybe it wasn't just the salaries. It was a combination of salaries and prize weddings for shows but it was going to be treated more like um, you know like the Wwe W where it's events and you know they showed up and competed and all of that.

10:27.85

christophknoll

E.

10:36.74

christophknoll

Yeah, and that where I mean the wwwe contract breaks down into 2 different ways you can sign what's called the safety contract where you get paid a set amount for the entirety of your contract. So like let's say you sign a 3 year contract and you sign the safety one you get paid. You know. X amount of money each week. That's and that like regardless of how big or small you get That's what you get and then you can sign I forget what the actual name of it is but it's it's like an audience factor 1 where you get a ticket or you get a percentage of the ticket sales. But. You have to be in 1 of the main events or you have to be a contributing factor to the show. So you can make a ton more money. But if you drop and like because the wwb they put on the people that you know the fans want to see and so if you're not one of those people and you have one of those contracts you tank and that's why people. End up getting cut or just aren't able to cut it. You know.

11:39.95

Paul

Interesting. Yeah, maybe that was like the idea. Um, but yeah, it says right here. The wf wbf worldide building federation introduced drug testing in March Ninety Ninety two and I mean that's pretty much it right there I mean you can't you can't have the best bodybulls in the world and be like oh we have to drug test you it's like dude you're. Now, you're asking for bottom barrel natural athletes and that's just not going to That's not going to do well. So.

11:59.72

christophknoll

You have to understand like they they had to understand that especially in the 90 s like that this was this was when people were going crazy with what they were taking like.

12:11.92

Paul

Yeah, it's it's I mean it didn't really do well in the first place throughout the 2 years the championship of the wbf and ninety ninety. two only had 3000 people purchasing the the actual pay review. So like it was a complete fucking failure. Um.

12:25.23

christophknoll

But yeah.

12:27.95

Paul

I mean let's say let's say you know the average paper viewed now is like sixty bucks or something like that, especially for like Ufc stuff like that. So let's say you're paying sixty bucks to watch something like that. You're you're talking about one hundred and eighty grand and they're talking about salaries for people up to 400 grand like the championship itself wouldn't even have paid for half the salary of someone you know so.

12:45.82

christophknoll

And I mean and I was going to say plus all the fees that come in with renting out a stadium venue or wherever you did it and the the crew that it takes to do like I'm sure there was ah you know.

12:54.83

Paul

Yeah.

13:03.20

christophknoll

Pyro and and different sound things and lighting and all that and that takes it cut too. So you're walking away. Not even I mean not even profitable.

13:03.98

Paul

Live.

13:10.68

Paul

Yeah, it. It was a big failure I could see the idea behind it and I get that where you're like look if you only compete in wbf competitions will pay you X salary and also the prize money and that's how they were trying to like poach these athletes from from other Competitions. So I get where they were going But. Um, it just didn't go the way that they planned so it was unfortunate. But I mean it was you know their own fault. It wasn't like.

13:37.68

christophknoll

It really sounds it really sounds like it was just a passion project of of Mcmahon because he's a billionaire like he had no shortage of money so this really just sounds like a passion project where he was like let's see if we can make this happen. Yep.

13:44.43

Paul

Everything.

13:52.26

Paul

I mean he also started the xfl as well. Um, prior Towayne Johnson all them picking it up which is also interesting. So mayen is like look let's change things up like he's trying to like make things different I think is kind of like his idea was like. Like especially with like the like with the wbf and the xfl he's like let's take the foundation of what this is and make it like this so that's more entertaining and it's like same with the xsfl I felt like I feel like xfl in a way can be very entertaining in comparison to the Nfl obviously you know apples and orange is kind of the only. Real similarity just they're playing a version of football but like there's there's a give and take here you know I mean there's agit entertainment factors for both so I could see where he's going with it. It just he he just needs to execute better in the cases wfbbwbf and it ended up just failing. But so to loop it back to Arnold.

14:41.56

christophknoll

Yeah.

14:48.32

Paul

Ah, which we did kind of get on tangent there um arnold competing the olympias 70 through 9075 it was controversial whether or not he should have won in 1980 in the first place. Um, there was a year where they they protested. Um I always forget what year it is. Ah. We see Mr Olympia it was a boycott I think so there was a year um well there was a 1981? Well okay so here'say why the 1980 s was so controversial.

15:26.69

Paul

77 film pumping iron came out um he was a 75 olympia blah blah blah um I do know that in 1980 he was nowhere near the conditioning of other athletes. So like wedding was yeah, it was. That's why people were so upset with that one and.

15:38.11

christophknoll

Um, and that's the one that that's the 1 where Mike Menzer got robbed.

15:46.28

Paul

He was just kind of like the crowd favorite and that was the problem. So um, Arnold the olympia let me see what he lacked in muscularity leanness. He made up for charisma so really, it was just the entertainment factor is what made him win the olympia that year in comparison to other competitors.

16:03.42

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

16:05.41

Paul

Um, but the 1981 Olympia was the year that everybody boycotted. So um, let me see veterans Memorial Auditorium Club of Ohio. Yeah, as a political controversy a lot of people boycotted it. Because of them getting involved with politics or something like that. But they still had 17 competitors Franco Colombo winning Chris Dickerson second and Tom Plat's third so um, it was still. You know they still had some pretty decent people competing in that at that show but with Arnold's you know obvious success with the olympia and with bodybuilding in general 1982 is where he made his big. Um you know movie debut with Conan the barbarian which you know there's a whole story behind that where you know he was £250 or something like that and the director said I need you under 152.

16:57.48

christophknoll

And this is right after winning in Olympia.

17:00.88

Paul

Yeah, it was right after 1980 Olympia so he had to really downsize and he did a lot of running and all of that and he ended up getting them to like 2 12 or something so he beat it by like a few pounds and you only had like was it like a couple months to do it or some shit like it wasn't it was not long.

17:13.95

christophknoll

Yeah, it was in like the three month ballpark and it's funny. You brought up 122 that's where the two 12 division came from from conan the barbarian never never before seen information comes to light.

17:17.58

Paul

Yeah, so. Yeah, clear as day. Obviously. You heard here First. We get the exclusive.

17:31.43

christophknoll

Yeah, not at 43 years old but we got it here first.

17:38.90

Paul

Yeah, we just we know a guy. Um, so with the event of Koan barbarian and all of that you know obviously Arnold's getting bigger and bigger. More and more movies came out the terminator phenomenal movie all 3 terminator movies I think are great and then he you know, proceeded on to other projects from there. Obviously he became governor you guys haven't watched the Netflix documentary is phenomenal staff. Read the autobiography is that also good too. Like did you enjoy that.

18:10.50

christophknoll

It's it's real good because if you get the audible version. The first couple chapters on the last couple chapters are read by him. So unless you have experience listening to someone with an austrian accent or in my case german accent I'm used to hearing.

18:15.65

Paul

Her.

18:24.88

christophknoll

It can be real difficult to understand what he's saying um, but it's it's a real good read because it gets into some details that he doesn't share otherwise um, like especially like his his affair and all of that.

18:39.37

Paul

They did go pretty indepth in that with the documentary. So it's possible that like the documentary is's got a lot of similar information to lot autobiography. Um, yeah, there's a whole thing with the you know affair and whatnot and that's really.

18:44.92

christophknoll

Yeah.

18:53.32

Paul

Outside of everything else, but the the documentary on Netflix is really really good. My wife and I watched it. We really enjoyed it. Um, it was pretty entertaining and it it. It showed a lot of the side of arnold that a lot of people don't talk about granted you know, um. A lot of people who are behind the scenes involved with Arnold's um say I forget who I was watching never saying that like you know arnov was kind of like the way he portrays himself to the public is different than the way he betrays himself behind closed doors and the way he treated people in bodybuilding.

19:24.26

christophknoll

Oh.

19:28.99

Paul

Um, was not as favorable as people think it is so um, there's a lot more than meets the eye with Arnold. Um, he's not you know, perfect obviously and you know I'm sure that there's been problems and and feuds and all of that in the past. But even just like. The side of like anabolics too right? There's this whole conversation of like what did these guys take and we brought it up before but the other thing we brought up too that arnold he doesn't talk touch on anabolics at all which I wish he did in that documentary. Yeah, which I should read but in the documentary he doesn't.

19:57.60

christophknoll

Oh he He does an autobiography.

20:04.29

Paul

I Wish he did but I get why he didn't Um, it's more of a broader audience. That's more general the autobiography you like you're really taking more time out of your day to read about him so it's more in depth. But um with the anabolics a lot of the feuds that you see nowadays between these older guys is they're competing now to be like oh who.

20:11.77

christophknoll

Oh.

20:23.96

Paul

You know, obviously everybody took kind of the same shit back then because there's not much that was out but it was like who took the least but still did the best you know that was like the that's like so Tom Platz is like oh I only took few on the milligrams of test and like 40 whatever milligrams of dball or whatever it was but then somebody else is like oh I took 230. It's like this stupid competition of like who took the least but was still successful where now today it's like obviously it's a different world today but it's less about who took the least amount and it's more about like who took the safest shit.

20:44.68

christophknoll

Yeah.

20:55.44

christophknoll

Did today it's who survived taking what you took.

20:57.40

Paul

Now Yeah, it's basically who hasn't taken trend is basically what it comes down to um which Cbum talked about he's like oh I would never touch trend and I'm like you've totally touched that shit at some point there's no way you haven't I get why he doesn't do it now you know.

21:13.88

christophknoll

I You know? Ah, he's one of the few people I'd be willing to listen to and actually believe in so in saying that he didn't.

21:22.56

Paul

Well, he said so during the podcast that he was on. He said that that was the one steroid he doesn't want to touch and I get that now but I'll be very surprised. He said he never touched it but I'll be very surprised if that's true. Um, because you know in the grain scheme of things we're talking. You know, a lot of these guys are training and taking anabolics for ten plus years and a trend cycle can be anywhere from like six weeks for me like that was like a shorter end to like sixteen weeks so I mean it could be a blip in time that you literally forget about like I could not tell you.

21:54.31

christophknoll

Money.

21:58.46

Paul

Every single one of my cycles I've taken which is like 4 3 or 4 like actual blast cycles and then like one prep cycle so I could couldn't really tell you like for sure like like this is what I took then you know so it's very Possible. He forgot and they see but these older guys like do they really remember every single cycle that they ever Took. You know, like there's no way you'd have to write it down and you have to keep track of it over time which I kind of want to do I Kind of go back through all my notes and and conversations and all of that with people and just find what I took over time and like have like an actual detailed Calendar. You know.

22:20.89

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

22:28.44

christophknoll

Meet mean you arguing in sixty years going I only touched l g d.

22:36.49

Paul

Yeah, yeah, no, we're we're gonna We're gonna be by the time we're older, there's can be like nanobots and shit that like you don't even have to tray you just sit there. There's like growing muscle. There's ah, there's a book um called red.

22:46.44

christophknoll

Hi I I'd like £1 of muscle please for you.

22:53.89

Paul

Yeah, it's literally how it's gonna end up being um, theres a book called I think it's red rising I read um is it red rising Yeah is red rising by Pitces brown I got to read the the further further series of it. But. Red Rising. It's a sci-fi book that takes place in the future and um, there is this machine that the character gets into where whatever direction you move in the machine does the opposite. So like if you're like curling it pushes against your arm. So that you're like essentially curling a weight. So like it's to get as muscular as possible as fast as possible. So like they do these scenarios where like you do like obstacle courses and stuff but like by doing these obstacle Courses. He's essentially lifting weight at the same time you know like he's if he's pulling himself Up. He's doing his.

23:26.15

christophknoll

Now.

23:42.10

christophknoll

Ah.

23:44.67

Paul

Like weight plus the friction from the machine. So it's hypertrophy. He's literally doing just constant hypertrophy for everything and I think that could be a route you know people go in especially when recovery gets to a better place with drugs and all of that where you could train everything every day and still make progress. But obviously we're. More of a tangent. So um to loop her back to Arnold. Um, you know with all the controversy of drugs and all of that. Um Arnold did start his own competition called the arnold classic which is indirect competition to the Olympia. So um, the. And me look up exactly these the years of the arnold classic um arnold sports festival started 1989 um, the first ever winner overall for the arnold classic was rich kaspari who owns Gaspari Nutrition which is a great brand. Actually you guys should really check a aspiri nutrition and then miss international which is you know the female version of the olympia was Jackie Paisley so um that was 1989 in 9094 they got fitness international which is women's fitness division. So. Um, what we just call fitness now the Olympia fitness or women's fitness started then and then starting 2000 when Flex Wheeler won the arnold. They also introduced the heavyweight and lightweight versions of misinterational which is the Mrs Olympia

25:03.14

christophknoll

Yeah.

25:19.41

Paul

And there's also the overall so you'd have the winner of the heavyweight and the lightweight they'd compete and you get an overall so that year was Vicki Gates winningdding heavyweight and overall and then Brenda Raganaut winning lightweight figure was introduced 2003 so at this point you essentially have four divisions essentially of women's and one division for men.

25:31.80

christophknoll

Ah.

25:38.28

christophknoll

Gotta take it back fellows.

25:39.41

Paul

I mean which is really interesting here. Yeah, we ended up taking it back so then just six there's no more heavyweight and lightweight of um women's and this is Iris Kyle's time for rain. So believe it or not the most number of Olympia like arguably.

25:55.56

christophknoll

It's but I Iris yeah.

25:57.29

Paul

Yeah, arguably the most successful bodybuilder of all time is Iris Kyle um just title wise title wise because she won nine olympias I believe which is the most out of anybody. Um and she won a bunch of Arnolds as well like she just fucking dominated from 2006 until 2013 um, when she unfortunately got the call that Missolipia Misinterational is no longer going to be held at the classic and this is literally the downfall 2014 was the downfall of women's bodybuilding. Um, as far as like women's open goes. Ah, because the Olympia doesn't hold a women's open anymore. Um, same with Arnold the arnold classic. So. There's obviously you know debate on where that came oh Iris call 1004 okay, that's where she started 2004. She lost she doesn't 5 but then she won 2006 and just kept wedding after that pretty much besides 1 person one two thousand and eight but anyways to add to what I'm saying um women's bodybuil was not bringing in the popularity that it used to be bringing in so they're they're actually losing so much money on women's bodybuilding that they're like look we just have to cut it. We can't support it anymore. Um, not the way that the ah.

27:08.61

christophknoll

Um.

27:11.80

Paul

Industry is going unfortunately which is kind of unfortunate. But also I think um is in a way to me personally I think it's a good thing just because seeing the women's open competitors. You're. The the requirement to get to that level for a female body is far beyond what a men's open competitor has to do like the amount of gear that they had to take like will fuck you up like women they lose years of their lives just to compete in that division. Let alone win like Iris Kyle did

27:35.72

christophknoll

Ah.

27:45.10

christophknoll

Well the the big thing is like when men do it, You continue your life after bodybuilding as a man and you just continue doing whatever you're doing but for the women the ones who win that you continue your life essentially as a man because your your body has.

27:46.59

Paul

And.

28:03.65

christophknoll

Change so much like I mean the the most most people most women in Olympia level stuff look like they would belong in a man's you know world. So you basically start having a life like that you know.

28:20.54

Paul

Yeah, which is a lot to ask of someone competing in that division and I want to say that especially at that level. You're basically castrating yourself whatever the female version of that is like there's no way after all that you're gonna be able to have kids I Really really highly doubt That. Um. I Don't know enough to really comment on how it works but just from my knowledge of the endocrine system and how hormones work and all of that There's just to me. There's just no way that you can push your body to the limit that limit and be able to still have kids. For men. Um, it's simply ah like almost like a feedback loop not quite to that level. But it's you know feedback loop within the body. A good example of that is like your thyroid where um if your thyroid shuts down because of synthetic use of something and you stop that synthetic use after a roughly couple weeks your thyroid will kick back On. You know'll notice hey I'm not getting this anymore. So I got to turn back On. You have to go through Pct order to do that for your pituitary Gland and your prostate and your testes in order to produce all your testosterone your sperm all of that in order to get back to normal. But for the most part you can get back to normal with women. It's a different ballgame.

29:15.60

christophknoll

Ah.

29:32.42

Paul

You know, um, women's hormones even though this is surprising to hear is to me is way more complicated than men's hormones. Um, because you're getting involved with you know, actually bearing children. Um, you know eggs and you know you got your period and shedding your you know? um. Uterus walls and all of that like there's so much more involved in the female body which to me is also kind of surprising that here like there's way more birth control options for women than men but it is very hard to stop sperm production and not destroy your hormones as a man that's the difference I Think so um.

30:03.87

christophknoll

Yeah.

30:09.32

Paul

It's kind of backwards logic that women's hormones are so complex and yet it's much easier to stop the breathing process for a woman than it is for a man. Um, but anyways point is.

30:18.61

christophknoll

Speaking speaking of having children arnold but okay.

30:22.80

Paul

Yeah, in his affair he had what was it 2 with his wife and then one with his affair I think and yeah, yeah, no so anyways, yeah.

30:29.47

christophknoll

Yes, that not not really something. We're gonna go super in up with but that was just my segue back to it.

30:40.32

Paul

Which actually his son is um, these's no, he's not he he trains I don't think he competes though he might be competing at some point but he's not nearly the pro level. Um, he does act though he was in genvi he was Golden boy.

30:44.42

christophknoll

Competing or something like that isn't I couldn't sworn I saw something about.

30:50.59

christophknoll

Yeah.

30:57.55

Paul

Or whatever his name was the main character in gen v on Amazon prime if you guys ever watched that um the guy who's basically like um you know he turns into fire. Ah, that's Arnold's son actually and that's his essentially a fair son but he looks just like Arnold. It's fucking. Crazy. Um.

31:19.55

christophknoll

Yeah, looks like he's just ah, a gym rat but he's a yeah, it does doesn't look like he's actually involved in. Um, oh he's our age. Wow.

31:21.11

Paul

Okay.

31:32.92

Paul

Yeah, he's not that old. Yeah, um, so to get back to it Arnold then introduced so figure in bikini so figure started 2003 bikini started 2011 so at this point we have the olympia.

31:34.40

christophknoll

97 yeah

31:48.38

Paul

And 2011 we have the olympia we have the women's open Basically we have fitness figure and bikini. So now we have you know they got rid of heavyweight and lightweight categoryes so we have essentially four divisions. Um for women one division for men 2014 came the 2002 or 2 sorry 2 12 division. 2014 for men's and then twenty fifteen we got women's physique and men's physique women's physique is kind of the the barrier the bridge between like fitness and misinterational it's like women's physique is a little bit bigger than fitness I believe. Um, but smaller than like women's open. It's it's kind of like imagine 2 12 but like not quite It's hard to explain. It's like saying there's like a difference between imagine like a difference between ah I guess kind of like classic and men's open.

32:43.93

Paul

Which I would say is kind of 2 12 But it's also height restriction because you need to be shortened or take advantage of the 2 twelve weight cap

32:45.99

christophknoll

I was going to say if I did two 12 I would be like right now because I weighed in this morning at 132 so I got just a little bit but that would be me and I would get smoked.

32:54.74

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

33:01.50

Paul

Yeah, so it's it's like kind of the two 12 which is kind of the middle ground but you need to be sure to take advantage of it. So imagine you know a middle ground like that but any hike can kind of compete in it. So um, it's like okay so like imagine so like men's physique to be.

33:12.27

christophknoll

Ah.

33:18.38

Paul

2 ah nine. You could be 2 19 in classic. You could be any way in men's open imagine like two 35 or something for this division and then like men's open is like two fifteen up or something for like your height. So like if there was a middle ground between classic and men's open that's kind of what fitness or sorry miss physique is or like women's physique. So 2015 we get men's physique um, which is what I do and then 2018 is the first year for classic physique. So classic physique for the classic for the art classic is still fucking fresh um, we're talking. Ah we had 5 years this year coming up 2024 would be 6.

33:53.85

christophknoll

No.

33:55.43

Paul

So um, it's very interesting to see that that classic physique came around long after like a few years after men's physique did then saying here this is according to Wikipedia for the most part Wikipedia is relatively accurate. Um, but it's saying it's I mean it's pretty reliable. It's teachers in high school and should act like it's like the most unreliable source I'm like it's really not that bad.

34:14.48

christophknoll

Um, is 100% reliable

34:23.56

christophknoll

No, it's just that it's able to be influenced. That's more so where the where the line gets drawn because in the teaching world you try and have everything be concrete whereas something that can be influenced like whenever like I don't know. Um.

34:25.26

Paul

Yes.

34:38.88

christophknoll

When the pats would went like when the pats beat the falcons. Ah Tom Brady was listed as the father of the of the Atlanta falcons. So like it's stuff that can be influenced.

34:39.85

Paul

Um, we have.

34:45.59

Paul

Yeah, yeah, I mean there is there is some leeway you got to give it. You know there are so there is some you know you got to take it with a great assault but like it's saying here. Men's physika guess wasn't held in 2021 for some reason women's physique hasn't been held I guess since. 201222 hasn't been held since 2018 figure wasn't held in 2021 so it's it's like these weird like gaps you're getting in these competitions. Um I'm not sure why let me look it up. Why why they didn't hold it. For like men'susi for instance, um, let see if there's a reason why? yeah the arnold didn't hold men's e in 2021.

35:30.83

christophknoll

This is at the arnold you're saying.

35:38.92

christophknoll

I mean that was the first year after covid so I'd be willing to bet that might have had something to do with that because covered slammed us at the end of 2019 went into 2020 and then um because it was March Twenty twenty

35:49.98

Paul

Yeah, oh serg Olivia Junior 1 best poser of 2021 men's Olympia or sorry not men's Olympia aren't classic. Interesting um, no I don't know no they had it. They had it. They just didn't have men's physique.

35:58.39

christophknoll

Oh they had the thing. Okay I would have thought it was completely canceled but they had it that doesn't make sense. Yeah.

36:07.76

Paul

They cut out a lot. They cut out so they had women's fitness they had women's bikini on so they had classic physique and then they had open so they actually cut out a lot of so they only had 4 actual divisions. So I think it had to have been something involving covid um.

36:25.53

christophknoll

Maybe like enough of the top competitors wouldn't have gone so they said like we're not going to put on like a you know, not saying that if the top guys don't go. It's not going to be a good showing but it's not the showing they would have wanted. Um, so I think that might have been involved up but that's all.

36:25.74

Paul

And like.

36:38.81

Paul

I think it just came down to like I think it came down to like the only had a certain number of competitors because there's only so 10 competitors in the open 10 in the classic 10 in the bikini and then 8 in fitness.

36:42.91

christophknoll

Yeah.

36:48.34

christophknoll

So so that's my thought that and because there were also a lot of travel. There's a lot of travel restrictions like here in mass I like couldn't go anywhere like like the the border was essentially shut down like we were. We were.

36:57.69

Paul

Yeah.

37:02.46

Paul

I mean yeah, well yeah, but it was this is this is like March Twenty Twenty one it was still pretty locked down. Everything was still pretty heavily. You know this is when I lived and yeah.

37:05.59

christophknoll

More or less full I know is a little little bit better down there where you are um.

37:13.53

christophknoll

Yeah.

37:20.55

Paul

I lived in Pineville so that was you know we're still like masks everywhere social distancing and all of that because it didn't really calm down until okay, actually no, this is just after I mootd here where I live now and everything didn't calm down until well after like at least six months after I moved to here. Um, so it's still pretty strict at that time so that covid had to have played a big role.

37:33.59

christophknoll

Yeah.

37:40.20

Paul

Um, there were other countries competing so like in the aend's open um Hasa Mustafa competed um he's from Egypt Ian Vaye Canada Mohamed L Imam that's Russia Xiang Cho Li that's ah South Korea so like there were other competitors there as well from other countries but 2021 they had to cut back 2022 Arnold and 2023 arnold they're back to normal. Basically um I don't think they held the figure for this year for 2023 like women's figure. But. Um, Aaron Banks won 22 23 on classic that was the year he 22 he also won the olympia for for men's physique and then um, he lost 23 but Ramon is where you know he won that and yeah, so.

38:30.72

christophknoll

Do you know.

38:35.29

Paul

1 thing I wanted to mention too is that personally I feel that over time I would not be surprised if at some point the arnold is kind of held in the same regard as the olympia. Um.

38:50.13

christophknoll

We we? Yeah, we mentioned this in the past how we think it might even overtake the olympia.

38:56.41

Paul

It's possible that the difference I think is just coming down to the title itself. The olympia title has been known as the top of the top for many many years but um if we can get to the point where maybe like arno classic becomes like.

39:01.92

christophknoll

Ah.

39:12.98

Paul

Some other name because it's like I imagine being called a Mr Arnold like it doesn't really make any sense. So like if they are to able to change the name so that like you could be a Miss Olympia where like that's like a title to have where in the case of Arnold. There's like you know some sort of ah title to be given and and had. But what's also good about Arnold classic is that they also have different competitions in different countries as well. They've had it in Europe which takes place in Spain Brazil Australia um, they had 1 in Asia which was held in 2016 they haven't held it since in Asia.

39:39.63

christophknoll

Um.

39:52.30

Paul

Only that one year Africa they had it for a few years Australia they had it a few years but now they just have the Europe the us and the Uk. Um, but most countries they stopped in 2020 because of covid didn't pick it up again in 2021 and this doesn't have any information on 2022 so I'm not sure where that's at you go to look that up. But um, yeah, so for the most part the Arna classic does compete pretty globally which is cool where the olympia is just one country which is the us. Well they have.

40:20.26

christophknoll

Yeah, well the way I was oh yeah, the way I see it is like and to loop it back to you know we brought up.

40:27.95

Paul

They have like the olympia amateur which takes place in Europe but they have the actual olympias in the Us.

40:38.40

christophknoll

Ww Wwf and everything from earlier in the and the in the podcast but there are multiple titles in that and so you have like the world heavyweight. You have like the bantaweight you have obviously it's evolved into different things. So like the intercontinental title. So the way I see it is that.

40:47.64

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

40:54.82

christophknoll

It's gonna come down to personal preference over what title you want to ultimately compete for and if arnold can draw more money and more finances people will want to do that more than the olympia but you know the olympia will always be cemented as. Like it's like if you think about any sport the world Heavy white title is across any sport that has a belt that's like what people can think of you know, but once you're in the sport and you have a deeper understanding you go for the ones that interest you instead of what everyone else thinks.

41:20.70

Paul

Yeah, um.

41:28.19

Paul

Yeah I mean that's kind of where like the arnold comes in because you have like if you look at the winners of different arnold competitions like for instance Kai Green won

41:28.99

christophknoll

If that makes any sense.

41:43.38

Paul

Um, the honor classic in South America and Australia and then Dexter won Dexter Jackson won Europe and Africa so it's like they're picking these different competitions to compete in. Um and I think also like that's kind of a good way of doing it for.

41:54.35

christophknoll

Apparently.

41:58.71

Paul

So like 16 Kai Green won the actual arnold classic but then he also won South America and Australia so it's a good way to kind of market yourself in that aspect especially back in 16 like obviously social media was still pretty relevant 16 but the the more you compete in other countries. The better off you are. So um, it's it's you know as far as like popularity goes, you're you're better off. You know there's you're going to get more. Ah you know popularity in that sense with with more competitions and all of that. So there is that aspect and the biggest thing we're to talk about with they on a classic is that. Um, he has been gradually increasing the prize money. Um and almost increasing it in like respect to how much the actual division brings in so with the olympia. Um, it's basically my the rule of thumb I kind of think it was 400 grand for the open 50 grand for everything else.

42:40.28

christophknoll

Um.

42:55.72

Paul

What is pretty much accurate. Everything else is pretty much 50 grand for first four hundred grand for first and men's Olympia or the men's open with the a classic um for classic physique. For instance, you win 60 grand and he's talking about increasing that even more like drastically over the years men's open

43:05.76

christophknoll

Me. Well, that's because you know the classic is most are most similarly aligned with what he was doing back when he was bodybuilding. You know that's why it's called Classic. So I Think that's why he would have a bigger emphasis on that than anything else.

43:26.47

Paul

Yeah, so like um, it and to me it's that that's what's really going to be the deciding factor of who goes where because there if there's a lot more money involved obviously like men's open. You know 400 grand is still more than the. Aold classic a classic. They give 300 grand um, and which has actually increased drastically I think two years ago when Nick Walker Won is 120 grand where that's second now seconds 130 grand so the amount of money per winner has drastically gone up over time. Ah, but if you compare it to men's Olympia or the Mr Olympia competitions and with how fast arnold is growing the sports festival and all of that I think that in time you're going to start seeing especially classic physique transitioning over to. Arnold I think like sebum could potentially be like the end of like the real big guys competing at the Olympia. It's possible because you're already winning more at the arnold and the arnold is still like top tier. You know a lot of the guys who end up winning the arnold also win the olympia.

44:31.36

christophknoll

Yep.

44:38.23

Paul

So it's not like you're completing in a different league. You know you're still competing pretty much against the same people.

44:43.67

christophknoll

And I was going to say too the ah the the conditioning because the the events are I mean relatively close to 1 another because the arnold is in March um, so you know you have if if you took it like you know I know Dino stays conditioned basically between.

44:51.98

Paul

Yeah.

45:01.80

christophknoll

The olympia and and the arnold because he is running house at the at the arnold right now. Um like for the past couple years. But um, you you get more guys willing to be in that conditioned state which is really really beneficial.

45:17.73

Paul

Um, um, yeah, let me look up at classic Ar classic weddings over time.

45:28.32

Paul

Um, we looked that up again. Let's see. So yeah as a 50% so to 2022 is two hundred Grand Twenty Twenty Three honor classic is 300 grand for men's open. Um, let me see so. This is what I was looking at earlier. So for yeah, 7 grand for like women's wellness 10 grand for for men's physique um 10 grand for bikini 25 grand for women's fitness classic physique was 60 grand men's open was 300 grand. So like it's if they the problem that a lot of people have with the olympia and the the thing that Arnold wasn't change is people heavily disagree with the prize winnings for the olympia per division just because of the popularity that's being brought in from different divisions.

46:19.46

christophknoll

Yeah.

46:21.38

Paul

Ah, personally I feel especially in Arnold's case I think men's susika is very much slept on ah a lot of guys don't realize it a lot of people don't realize it but men's su zika is very heavily followed. A lot of the guys in immense's Phsique have millions and millions of followers on Instagram and all of that I mean it's not to the degree of like classic physique I think classic kaique is a lot bigger. Don't get me wrong, but man's physique is not like dead. You know it's not like no one watches it like there's millions and millions of people that watch bench physique and follow the people. I mean Ryan Terry who won he's got well over 3000000 followers on Instagram or something driving Potvin has over a million I think Aaron Banks is kind of in that same ball ballparks I mean brettan hendrickson Andre Ferguson a lot of these guys have a lot of followers and a lot of influence. So when you're going into a competition like the olympia where.

46:52.26

christophknoll

Yeah.

47:09.33

Paul

They're getting paid the same amount through all the divisions besides men's open. It's like this is kind of bullshit because today's day and age you're getting more people excited for the classic physique than you are for the men's open you know and. That's something that the olympia hasn't really taken into account you know 50 grand for classic I think is kind of a again. They're kind of getting fucking robbed considering the arnold is a smaller show. You know in quotations smaller show and they're still getting paid more 10 grand more but that's that's you know the whole purse. Combined is a lot bigger at the arnold than it is at the Olympia. So I think over time especially with like Chris kind of potentially coming to the end of his reign here soon. I think that we're going to start seeing a transition especially from classic physique over to the arnold classic and then um. You know if they start increasing the money for men's physique you know possibly going in that route as well. Arnold's never really had that much respect for men's Phsique. Unfortunately, so it's very possible that the prize winnings aren't going to be increased too too much. But I think that you should bring you should pay your athletes proportionately to. Essentially what they're bringing in and um in the case of the arnold I think that there's no way in hell that and you know as far as the prize money goes. There's no way in hell mens zeka is only bringing in one sixth the popularity of class fysique in my opinion. There's no way.

48:38.91

Paul

Ah, so 10 grand to men'sysique versus 60 for classic I think that that's kind of it's kind of bullshit but at the same time I think that classic deserves more at the same time so we'll see what that ends up doing but arnold a is kind of stirring the pot a bit with these with these prize winnings.

48:54.72

christophknoll

Well, you know what? I just realized. Um we talked about differentiating the the title of what you would win if you're at the arnold and how there's clearly an emphasis on classic resique because that's you know where like the the style that arnold competed with so. Now my my thinking is you know you keep the olympia called like Mr Olympia whatever but then the arnold you could change to like the Mr Golden Era or something like that because the golden era was essentially. Those guys would have been competing in today's classic physique. They would not have been competing in men's open so that's a potential way to make the title sound catchy and you know incentivize people to want to watch it and then also compete in it.

49:45.20

Paul

You know I think would be kind of cool is um as if like the arnold classic kind of became where the classic Physique competitors competed because it is called the arnold classic. Obviously it's not because of classic physique but it went that well where they're now called like the Mr classic or something.

49:55.64

christophknoll

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:02.14

Paul

Um, and then you have like the Miss Olympia where that's all the big guys going into and then obviously everything else is kind of split but I think it'd be kind of interesting to see that where you know you have 1 show. You're like all right Let's watch like the big dudes some of the some of the smaller ones like men's z and bikini and all of that. But then. The classic physique is the big one that you know they all compet our own a classics you have essentially like 2 big shows. So like get excited about each year and they're roughly six months apart now because there's the olympia for 2023 was announced like October ten through the Twelfth or something in vegas so they go back and forth now in case, you guys didn't know they're going to do vegas 1 year than Tampa. Or Miami or whatever it is the next year. Um, so they go back and forth between Florida maybe it's Orlando I always I forget but Florida and Vegas they go back and forth to to reach a broader audience as their goal. So this year's can be Vegas and and this year's Goingnna be October tenth of the twelfth I think a big portion of that is most likely because of whether or not the f one race is going to happen because that really changes up the infrastructure vegas for like a solid month so that probably plays a role but um, we got the olympia tenth to twelfth and then the art classic almost takes place the beginning of March every single year. So you got roughly a six month window there between the olympia and the arnold classic. So for the bodybuilders you got like you project like ah like a month off like like rest your body a bit from pushing it. You probably got like a month to maybe push it a bit further.

51:36.25

Paul

Far as size goes and wait maybe two months and then you can do like a 12 to sixteen week ah prep at that point. Obviously you know it's odd depending on the athlete. It's possible that you know they do a two month push to put on some size and then like a four month prep where they don't do it too. Harsh. You know you slowly taper down your calories and. All of that. So. There's plenty of time between these shows you know it's not like they're right back-to-back like it be so it would suck if it was like a two month window you know like that would suck because like you can't really do anything besides get ready for the next show in middle of prep. You know it's not like you have a break.

52:10.99

christophknoll

Yeah.

52:12.78

Paul

But with 6 months in between that's kind of perfect for the athletes and then right after the Arna class it can do the same thing going into the Olympia. So um I think it's good timing for the athletes as in you know in general. But I think that arnold will stir the pot and. We'll bring over more and more people over to the ono classic overtime but I mean yeah, if he says he'll do it. He can do it. You know I mean he. That's what that's always He's always been he he said he was like I'm going to become the governor and everybody thought that that was hilarious and then he fucking became the governor of California for a while.

52:33.76

christophknoll

Oh he's He's always been the the person to cause controversy. So.

52:48.89

christophknoll

I hope.

52:50.81

Paul

You know it's he's set when he says his mind to things he makes it happen. Ah, he's 1 of the most driven people out there. Obviously he has help from outside people. It's not just him alone. You know Joe Weider helped him out Joe Weer kind of discovered him and then he kind of married into politics prior to being a governor. Um, acting kind of came about because of his size you know for conan barbarian he because of bodybuilding they approached him for that role and then that kind of branched into acting obviously he wanted to be an actor prior to Conan Barbarian but you know that's kind of his gate his his bridge so there was this is something that I've that i. Firm we believe in is that luck comes from like so success kind of requires a little bit of luck but a little bit of luck comes from hard work and so the harder you work the more luck you're going to have the more luck you're going to have the more success you're going to have so that's kind of arnold you know he's always worked very very hard.

53:36.13

christophknoll

Ah.

53:46.80

Paul

And now he has the popularity the backing all of that and the financial standing to um, theoretically make arnold classic the show to compete and it might lose him some money at first. But if it gets to the point where it's the show then. He's good to go from there. He'll just make more and more money and he also has you know the Arnold Strongman competition so I mean he's you know the the branding of the arnold classic and his name in general has many facets to it where Mr Olympia is just 1 event. You know every year that's ran by the ifbb. And um, and really honestly I think that if they can the other thing that I think that can change things is if they get more consistent judging at the arnold classic versus the olympia because that's the thing that argue that people get upset about every year is the the. judging and the inconsistencies in the olympia every year where if the arnold classic can get more particular on what they're looking for then it's going to be you know easier for them to have like a look and have like a more more. So. More ah, loyal fan base I guess in that sense because it is very frustrating when the olympia each year they're looking for something different. You know, but that's bodybuilding in general. But I think that arnold they could find something more concrete more standardized over the years to come

55:09.94

christophknoll

And I think I think finding like a name that is recognized in the judging world because what the olympia you know Steve Weinberger people know the name people respect the hell out of the name and you know when you think about the judges. Obviously they're.

55:18.35

Paul

Moving.

55:26.35

christophknoll

You know, esteemed in their own rights. But you don't have that name recognition like Steve brings to to the Olympia. So I think finding something like that to really cement the the judging panel that would be beneficial to.

55:38.24

Paul

Yeah I mean the the problem with a lot of the judging now is that a lot of the I mean not really the npc I mean not in the grain scheme of things but a lot of these bigger shows a lot of the judges have been doing. You know have been judging it for a very long time and a lot of them weren't even bodybuilders really. Obviously Steve Weinberger um was married to or is married to um, be Francis I believe so like he's been around the industry for a very long time and you know he co-owns the bad frances powerhouse. So like he's not new to the sport by any means.

56:14.12

christophknoll

E.

56:16.47

Paul

Um, and before even judging it wasn't like he was new to it. It was just ah I think that for me part of judging should also come from experience um to kind of cement that even further I watch a lot of racing and pretty much every single commentator. And racing has to almost guaranteed to be a racer at some point. Um in that you know league. So for instance, f one I was watching the f 1 race before we recorded today. They're racing an Abu Dobbbi is the last race the year but the commentator I think both commentators in the english language are both f 1 drivers. They were F1 drivers so when you're when you're commentating obviously comment. There are commentators at the olympia and the art classic and all of that. But I think that the judges they should in they should ah encourage.

57:09.90

Paul

Like retired bodybuilders to be the judges because they know they know way more about what goes into it than the judges do especially if the judges never competed. You know.

57:17.42

christophknoll

You got to you got to contractually obligate any previous Olympia winning winner. You either have to do the masters division or you have to be a judge.

57:28.82

Paul

That's like actual totalitarian and fucking dystopian in order to compete. You have to that's rough dude he just do the wheelchair division probably is what he'd do. Um, probably.

57:33.32

christophknoll

Ah, Ronnie Coleman with his sticks coming out to compete masters. Ah. Is there a master's wheelchair division.

57:45.39

Paul

There's bound to be I'm not sure off top my head but there's probably is but um I think that there should be more bodybuilders in the judging panel I have looked into it for the Npc side of things and all that and the downside to it is that you can't compete and judge at the same time.

58:03.25

christophknoll

Yeah.

58:04.91

Paul

Ah, it's a conflict of interest. You know there's obviously going to be some bias and all of that there so you have to be done competing when you when you're judging, Um, which is fair I understand that it sucks but um because I want to get into judging and into posing. You know all that like you know.

58:21.78

christophknoll

While posing has always been your thing.

58:24.85

Paul

Posting coaching yeah poing coaching one day I need more experience for that. But judging I want to get into one day as well. If I can and I think that would be very very fun but I have to be done bodybuilding in order to do that So It would be a while before I were to ever get into judging. But. Yeah, it's Wild. It's like you have to get you know they have to approve you, you kind of like kind of like get your license.. There's no license for but like they have to approve you to be a Judge. You have to be like a licensed judge with them or whatever and you have to uphold that license and all of that it's It's kind of like being a competitor you have to have an Npc card and all of that compete and Ipb Pro card and all of that. So.

58:49.96

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:00.26

Paul

I think if they standardize the judging increase the prize winnings over time I think that the arnold could very much be the replacement for the for the olympia eventually and ah, we'll see what ends up happening I mean just the past few years they've drastically increased from 120 grand to 300 grand for the men to open. So. Who knows you know how long it's going to take before their past four hundred grand. It could be very soon.

59:22.50

christophknoll

Yeah, for sure I mean inflation continues to rise. So there's gonna be more and more ability to dump into it. So while I mean it does sound like a lot of money. It is a lot of money. It's not as much as it could be. You know.

59:31.43

Paul

Is.

59:37.69

Paul

Yeah I mean I think that they could they could work with a lot more there, especially for classic physique I truly think this is my thing if I was talking to Arnold and I was like if you really want to make your show bigger than the olympia just classic physique if you just capture classic physique give them like a 200 grand prize purse or not even price pers like 200 grand for like first place like that alone will be like enough because that's quadruplple the olympia you know if you just give them a shit ton of money to win. You're going to pull in so many more athletes from that. Granted, it's far enough away to where they could do both so it's not like you have to choose 1 or the other.

01:00:03.22

christophknoll

Another.

01:00:16.44

Paul

But most of the people who are aiming to win the olympia only do the olympia. So if you could pull those guys like Chris Bombststead for instance, over to the classic. There aren't a classic you're you're fucking golden and that's the way that the division is going I mean it's the popularity of classic haique is way more than men's open now.

01:00:26.13

christophknoll

And yeah.

01:00:34.32

Paul

Honestly in my opinion, especially when it comes to like social media and all of that classic Zq is just at a different level at this point.

01:00:37.79

christophknoll

Well you know, bodybuilding people care who looks the best and for men's classic. You know classic physique You guys that division looks the best men's open like we in the world can appreciate what's going on but to the outside world. Most people give the reaction of E or something like that.

01:00:50.80

Paul

Ah.

01:00:57.69

christophknoll

And so for classicysique someone sees like you know Chris Bumson and goes that is and ah you know an aesthetically pleasing person.

01:01:04.27

Paul

I mean I would even argue that arguably to the average person men's physique is way more appealing than classic physique I would argue that a lot of people think that classic phsique is too much wear male physique. Yeah.

01:01:13.78

christophknoll

Um, yeah I've heard that as well here.

01:01:21.46

Paul

And men's hosique is way more appealing I mean that's the whole point of men's phsique is like how how appealing can we make a physique. That's the goal is like symmetrical aesthetic like how appealing can the human body become where classic is a combination of size and so symmetry and Aesthetics. Men's open is how basically at this point how freaky how large plus symmetry can we get. It's like size plus conditioning basically is what it's come down to so um, yes I mean it's I think if he captures class Physique Encourages men's physique to the general public.

01:01:43.88

christophknoll

Um.

01:01:55.13

Paul

Then you're you're golden, especially the classiczeke side of things. It's just within bodybuild. It's just way more popular now. What the younger generations than men's open is and at the same time. It's way safer to compete in classic zeek than it is men's open um and. The barrier of entry is a lot lower as well. So you're to get more more competitors in classic kazika I mean you have to be built from open to be to compete in open where like and you like obviously have to be built to be a bodybuilder in the first place I mean you can see a clear distinction between someone who. Should it be a bodybuilder and someone who who could be a bodybuilder you know? um, especially when it comes to anabolics I mean there's most guys who take anabolics to look like they take it so like they can't be bodybuilders. But if you the the barrier like if you're going to be a mens su z competitor the bear to move up to classic is really not that much really just your legs. So. Those are pretty close together but then open it's just fucking way beyond and at the same time to be a men's open like you have to be able to put on size like a motherfucker. It's crazy. Um, and like I could see guys competing in classic who I wouldn't say like yeah, he's goingnna be a crazy classic competitor. But I see guys who I'm like yeah, he's gonna compete men's open There's only a couple I can think of there like that like that's how a niche it is at this point. It's like you have to be you have to put on size without even trying to compete in men's open at this point so barrier of entry is just ah, it's a different world for men'sopen so that's where what they really need to capture it'll it'll totally bounce in the direction of classic and men's and men's physique.

01:03:11.21

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:03:23.44

christophknoll

For sure for sure.

01:03:24.40

Paul

My opinion so we'll see we'll see what happens. But yeah, so Arnold. Overall very influential. Great guy. It seems on paper. Um I hope to meet him one day I hope to experience what remote experience last year at the Arnold. Um, I don't if remember seeing that but when when Ramon got handed the trophy from arnold. Yeah, yeah, he's like it's you it's you so yeah I hope to experience that one day. Yeah, just flex on him. Um.

01:03:39.59

christophknoll

You you like freaked out because Arnold was one given it to him.

01:03:49.42

christophknoll

Ah, you.

01:03:54.41

Paul

But yeah I think I Also think that arnold is starting to find classic physique as the most appealing as well. Men's open you know, less and less vacuums nowadays. They're just looking freaky classic Physique just looks good and that's kind of his era. You know it's very similar to his era. So I think he's starting to become biased and we'll see how that goes.

01:03:59.57

christophknoll

Um, yep.

01:04:12.16

Paul

Coming up. But yeah I'm looking forward to the future for arnold classic and arnold the general I Just hope that he lives a longer life than most people just so that he can be around for the industry and see what happens to it.

01:04:23.40

christophknoll

Yeah, hey I'm all for it.

01:04:28.66

Paul

Um, but with that being said, this is ah our installment of influencer review. There's so much to to to touch on arold I think we got to do a part 2 of this. Um, yeah.

01:04:34.93

christophknoll

Yeah, we didn't even do his his like routines or anything like that. So we'll we'll definitely touch on him again. Maybe we'll do it next week but well for sure see you'll for sure be seeing another episode on this.

01:04:46.80

Paul

Yeah, yeah, definitely we just kind of talked about his influence on the industry as a total so we'll we'll talk more about the micro stuff coming up soon. All right? We'll see you guys.

01:04:52.91

christophknoll

Yeah, all right y'all peace.


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