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Influencer Review #3.2 - Arnold Schwarzenegger


00:01.52

christophknoll

Arnold Not actually a bodybuilder well okay, well we can't even make that joke because a terminator shit art.

00:02.79

Paul

What arnold is a robot. Oh yeah, true. He was actually indeed a robot in the movie in multiple movies actually dude. You know it is. You know what is one of the biggest like I guess like like Miss. What's it called like onjustice or whatever like.

00:16.53

christophknoll

Our clickbait finally got up to us. Ah.

00:29.62

Paul

Basically it's like something that should have happened was terminator. Salvation should have gotten way way more popularity for that movie like terminator Salvation is such a damn good movie and it it's an injustice that did it is what I'm trying to say like it didn't get more.

00:37.34

christophknoll

Oh.

00:48.92

Paul

Publicity didn't get more viewers all that like it's such a good movie.

00:50.95

christophknoll

I don't know if he talks about it in his in in the documentary that you watch but in his autobiography he talks about like walking around the streets of New York after terminator came out and they didn't expect it to be a big movie so you know he's just gone about doing his business and someone recognizes him and goes. Say the line and he was like what the what are you talking about? they were like say the line I'll be back and he was like that's what you guys are focusing on.

01:20.63

Paul

He'll be famous for his accent. That's that's it's not even really the line. It's his accent that does it I'll be back I'll be back. Yeah, it's a good. Ah, it's a good ah accent for for that role. Um.

01:24.11

christophknoll

You will all be black.

01:37.19

Paul

But I mean that was one of his biggest issues getting hired was that was his accent. You know I mean he's so hard to understand. He's still pretty hard to understand for the most part now even you know so imagine.

01:46.90

christophknoll

I was going to say for his for his autobiography. Ah, the first 2 chapters and the last two chapters are read by him and then you know the other 50 or whatever are read by some narrator but you know they always include some of the author to get you on it.

02:01.44

Paul

I.

02:03.18

christophknoll

And you know I grew up listening to my to a German household. So I'm able to pick up on stuff but I can understand that a someone who has no experience would not be doing well with a full blown Austrian accent like his.

02:14.94

Paul

I mean it's pretty thick I can understand him for the most part. It's just sometimes I'm like I have to like take it slow sometimes if he's like ready thick for some reason. But for the most part it's it's pretty understandable terminator. He doesn't have 2 complex lines.

02:21.46

christophknoll

Yeah, well most people Yeah, that's true. Yeah I mean he's He's a road like he would his role in that film is more so just to be a hunk and like you know. Try and kill someone and he does a really good job at that I was going to say ah most people when you live in in the states or a English speaking place for more than 10 years. You kind of wean out your accent and his has just stayed the whole time.

02:40.35

Paul

Yeah, yeah I agree.

02:55.99

Paul

Yeah, it really has which is interesting because you're right there I used to work with this guy who's from Spain and you could never tell like his he had no accent. Um, he's just been here since he was like 7 or 8 and at the time we were like 18 or 19 or something so it was roughly a decade and.

03:04.66

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

03:11.40

Paul

His accent really wasn't there anymore. Um I mean I'm I've been down in the south for a few years and haven't lost my accent yet. So well that even I have an accent I just I don't have an accent I'm just as American as it gets.

03:17.53

christophknoll

What.

03:22.83

christophknoll

Well, what's wild is for some reason. Never I go down there. My my Southern accent comes out I don't know what it is like I'm just a raisin under the sun bacon.

03:28.56

Paul

Yeah, you stupid 1 liner is bullshit. A so a cowerpillar on a tree or some shit like. Yeah, exactly drying out stupid ass.

03:48.75

christophknoll

Ah, um, but last week we ah we covered our old part one where we talked about a lot of you know, like what he brought to the bodybuilding world. You know his background basically stuff that if you watch the documentary or listen to the audiobook.

03:58.69

Paul

Rest.

04:04.77

christophknoll

For his for his autobiography you'll pick up on a lot of it. But what we are gonna cover today is more specific to the training side of stuff because we're ah we we got to finish out our boy arnold and and training is a big big part. But before we get into his training. Paul and I both are off of everything I mean we're 2 very completely cycles. But we're both off so we'll give you a little update on that first.

04:26.16

Paul

That like.

04:34.49

Paul

Yeah, before we started recording I was talking about how much it fucking sucks the train now like it's like it's like we're doing your job and then all of a sudden you get like ah a 75% pay cut. It's like the fucks the point of this now. It's like a chore is not even like worth it. That's basically what it feels like.

04:36.32

christophknoll

Oh.

04:45.89

christophknoll

But but they tell but they tell you that in like two or three months you're going to get a exponential raise so you you have to stick it out. Yeah.

04:53.97

Paul

Yeah, it's gonna be even better than before. Yeah, exactly. That's literally how it is it Sucks. It's like I had no motivation to go I feel like shit when I train I just am exhausted I don't get any pumps really anymore like it's I have no like results Really so like just no like reward for training you know. Um, especially during prep like I got so used to daily changes. Um that it's like just not getting that anymore even even rebounding wise like I really took that for granted because rebound I was like oh I'm not on what I wait What I was on during Prep. So I feel like shit blah Blah blah. But then it's like now that I'm not on what else on rebound. It's like Wow I Really feel like shit now you know it sucks but it is what it is basically yeah I'm just I don't understand how you natty boys. Do it. But I mean it's it's.

05:31.72

christophknoll

You You're you're in the poverty sector.

05:42.34

christophknoll

Well I can't really say you natie boys to me anymore. But I wouldn't touching Sarms I think puts me out of that category I I all I disagree I think that people have that conception. But.

05:47.35

Paul

I would still call you natural I would say well that's the whole point of sarms is that you are. It's not steroids.

06:01.92

christophknoll

It's it's stuff that if you went into a drug tested ah bodybuilding league. You would you would get flagged for it like and it it shows up in the I don't know I was watching coach grit. Okay, maybe that's my problem I was watching coach Greg video on this and because like when I just play video games I'll have you know.

06:07.57

Paul

What would you get flaked for.

06:21.70

christophknoll

A Youtube playlist of just ah, different stuff to keep my knowledge active and you know every now and then a coach Greg video finds its way in there and I immediately hear well and it it just hurts my ears and ah, but.

06:25.30

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

06:32.80

Paul

Yeah.

06:36.25

christophknoll

He he was talking about how in a drug tested federation for for bodybuilding. Um, yeah.

06:42.42

Paul

You think sounds are gonna pop up but you test no they will pop up. Bottom is fucking stupid ass. Ah like I know this they will shrink.

06:48.38

christophknoll

And your balls will shrink.

06:56.19

christophknoll

Ah, it happened to me.

06:59.65

Paul

I took four hundred Milligrams a trend which he did say he did at 1 point he said he took four hundred Milligrams I'm like damn. But anyway, it's go ahead.

07:05.98

christophknoll

Hey that's that's that's lightweight to rich piano I was on a Cc of and.

07:13.50

Paul

Yeah, he Um, when you know what's funny is that some dudes will talk about their their gear cycles and they'll talk in in terms of um syringes. Yeah, yeah, you'll hear.

07:24.40

christophknoll

What there's different size syringes.

07:28.42

Paul

Evil yeah, it's it's the stupid more stupid. You are so like they'll be like oh like sometimes we'll talk in milliters like they'll be like oh I take 2 mill test Monday like like rich, be honest was Monday Wednesday Friday you know.

07:37.68

christophknoll

Um, like I can understand I can understand them saying it in millleas a little more but saying by likeyringe you like I had one cup of test.

07:46.76

Paul

We could say like oh I had I have a syringe of tests on Monday I a syringe of test and went I mean that they clearly don't know what the fuck they're talking about. They just say it's a syringe but also.

07:55.10

christophknoll

I think that only works that only works in in conversation between 2 people who 100% know what the other one is taking like if you and I talked about it I could I could surmise to the to the dosage if you were to refer to it like that. But you wouldn't because you're not an idiot. So.

08:10.82

Paul

Yeah, and and at the same time if you're going to talk in terms of like half a syringe or syringe or something to this the general public. You know who doesn't know the dosage of your of your actual anabolics then you could be taking anything you know like any amount you know because like there's.

08:27.83

christophknoll

Um, ah.

08:30.31

Paul

Like even the different um different suspensions that you can get like ah masteron or not master Run Sorry um in inate versus like acetate or um or propionate like yeah, they'll have different dosages you know So it's like speaking in terms of milliliters or syringes in that case it fucking doesn't make any sense.

08:38.84

christophknoll

Prop. Yeah.

08:49.33

Paul

That's why you' talking milligrams you know and like I hated it when the the trend twins. There's a video of them and they were like oh I'm taking two hundred Mil right now every other day and he's like dude I'm taking 300 every day or something it was like I was like what the what the fuck you guys talking about like you're talking in like or 200 um that mill like point two mill I mean. Not two hundred Mill 2.2 Mill um

09:11.70

christophknoll

I was going to say two hundred Mil that's that's enough that's like ah, not a gallon but that's like sixteen ounces right

09:18.99

Paul

well well what yeah 1 leader is 1000 millilitters so you know two hundred mil is one fifth of a liter so you're probably we're probably talking like eight ounces maybe maybe a little less. Yeah.

09:24.80

christophknoll

A tool. Yeah yeah, so Ida sprite cans worth test.

09:37.10

Paul

Yeah I I exactly 1 prime can of of testosterone.

09:39.41

christophknoll

Oh god I want to I want to I know this where we're jumping even further. But ah I went to ah dix because I had to go buy some some gear for a different sport I play and they had like 6 different flavors of prime preworkout.

09:49.64

Paul

Yeah.

09:56.18

Paul

Like the the powder. Yeah I didn't I haven't read the ingredients yet of it I Wonder if their doses are efficacious like.

09:59.31

christophknoll

I yeah like the tubs like I I wanted to turn around and walk away I'll give I'll get well. My thing is that it's just and I don't like when brands come around just because someone well known is. The owner or or creator like for example, like 1 of my my alltime favorite pri that I I never touch because I want to like preserve how good it is and how like much I react to it but it's that adrenaline preworkout I don't know of fuck. Thing about that like in terms of who owns it who markets it people on their brand like I don't know anything about that and it gave me good results and like you talked about it and you know coach Alex talked to me about it and like those things make me want it more. But when it's someone well-known. A lot of people are just drinking it because oh my god ks I and Logan Paul made this product and I want to be like them so because they're both They're both physically like great specimens I mean Logan more so than any than than ksi. But you know.

10:59.77

Paul

Measures marketing.

11:08.12

christophknoll

It's that whole mindset of seeing somebody wanting to be like that.

11:10.27

Paul

Yeah, it's I mean what's what is interesting that I found out recently is that so congo brands actually makes like 80% of the profits so Logan and Ksi have equity in the company. That's why they signed with them so they didn't create prime. That's the thing people forget is that like.

11:23.15

christophknoll

Yeah.

11:29.47

Paul

And Paul owned part of the company because of their names but they never created pride. It was never their drink. Um, it is partially their drink now but congo brands owns the other 80% Congo also owns a lotnie new. Um, which I believe. I don't know if they started it or if they bought them because I know in June this year a lani new is trying to sell it for like $3000000000 or some shit but they own a lot of new and they also own three d energy so three d energy is also a decent um energy drink super simple marketing like it literally just a solid colored can with three d on the front. And it's got like the three hundred milligrams of caffeine I think um so they own those 3 different brands so that's the thing like with bottlers is um is that brands like this like food brands. Beverage brands. They usually own multiple like the actual parent company will own multiple brands and on top of that. Um people don't understand how bodiling even happens typically so I'm not sure if this is how primehydration works or anything like that. But the way like coca-cola works is cocacola doesn't actually.

12:25.48

christophknoll

Um.

12:38.54

Paul

Make any of their beverages. What they do is they make the syrrups. Um, they keep that in-house then they ship these Syrupps to um, beveraging companies and the companies will then use that syrup combine it with carbonated water and then bottle it and then ship those out to their local area.

12:47.36

christophknoll

Yeah, and.

12:56.81

Paul

Um, so big one near me that's based out of Charlotte's called cucola consolidated arguably one of the biggest if not the biggest bottler in the us. Um, and I actually used to work for a company that had them as a customer for for certain things and they just brought in so much fucking money. So. So what you're getting is technically not like Coca-cola's drink it's technically cool Coca-cola cons consolidate his drink with Coca-cola's syrup in it. So um, that's something to consider too is that um I'm not sure if that's how this works for energy drinks but I wouldn't be surprised if like monster. Well I know red bull that's how red bull works. Red bull is technically a marketing company on paper. They don't actually I don't even think they create your syrup for the actual energy drinks I'm pretty sure the bottletling companies also create the syrrups so they license out production of the of the of the drinks and they take a portion of the profits.

13:32.40

christophknoll

Um.

13:49.97

Paul

Um, when these companies sell their red bull drinks. So that's why red bull is sponsoring fucking everything because they're global. They're one of the biggest brands in the world. Um, and they make all their money for marketing versus from bottling. Um. So it's ah it's pretty It's pretty interesting which actually Mclaren just announced monster is now sponsored with Mclaren and FOne so that's gonna be sick. It's gonna be red bull slash what used to be Honda versus mclair in slash monster could be fucking sick I'm so high for next season.

14:20.90

christophknoll

Um, yeah there there there's gonna be on the ah okay I don't know cars enough so you can correct me but the is that the spoiler is the thing off the back. The the like the the the I don't know what to describe it as but okay.

14:29.23

Paul

Yeah, yeah, they call it the waiting technically but it's the big. Yeah yeah, the big spoiler thing. Yeah.

14:36.83

christophknoll

That will have the red bull because Red Bull gives you wings and then on the mclaren they're going to have a jaw like thing on the the front engine. So it looks like an actual monster.

14:48.60

Paul

That'd be so that'll be sick but that would fuck with the aodynamics I Wish they could do that though was my well red Bull is the other brand that's facing mclaen but it's my monster Mclaren versus Red bull.

14:51.85

christophknoll

All right mclaren and who's the other brand. Okay, brands Christoph Noel Hire me as your marketer. Yeah.

15:07.80

Paul

I Raise your aerodynamics engineer I will make a monster at mouth for your car. Um car you'll be so pretty out there but fuck you old suck so bad.

15:12.12

christophknoll

You will lose every race but God Damn you'll look good.

15:21.10

christophknoll

Ah, you'll get relegated.

15:23.68

Paul

You borderline be disqualified every race. Um, which is true which is true but f 1 if you actually qualify so bad. You can be disqualified people don't realize that um you can actually disqualify. But anyways.

15:36.88

christophknoll

I'm going to enter with my ah with my Kona E V and just shock the world speed speed charge in the middle of the race. Ah.

15:41.87

Paul

Oh actually when I come up next week I mean they got Formula E man that shit's sick formula you sick? Um, but when I come up when I come up I'm actually where we're renting Tesla from Herz for the for the weekend.

15:50.61

christophknoll

Continue though. Oh nice, Do you know? what? one a it's still good.

15:59.60

Paul

Yeah, ah, it's just a model three. It's nothing special. We we had the choice between a poll star 2 and a model three and I was like yeah fuck it. Let's try tesla I also want to tre posar one day but um.

16:07.27

christophknoll

I was going to say poar is so so for anyone who doesn't drive an electric vehicle Tesla is the name they know for everybody who does drive an electric vehicle pole star iss like okay, that's that's poar and Rivan are like the the 2 that are like okay those are like.

16:15.18

Paul

Better. Yeah.

16:21.89

Paul

Oh yeah, those are sick see I would have picked Revy like yeah I wanted to pick the model three because if I were to.

16:26.43

christophknoll

Yeah, but I can't I can't blame you because the teslas are they're They're pretty cool.

16:37.76

Paul

It's tough because if I were to get it if I were to get an electric vehicle or probably be either a model 3 or a um mustang mock e so I was like fuck it. Let's try the model three just to see how it drives see if I'd even like it. Um, but I kind of lowke wanted to try the ple star because it's p star you know and which is which is interesting is that.

16:43.21

christophknoll

Only.

16:53.70

christophknoll

Yep.

16:55.77

Paul

Pulsar was originally um if I forget if it was I think it's volbos um like performance brand. It wasn't electric. Originally it was supposed to be their sports car hypercar like performance brand. Yeah, so they did start out with a very similar look with a sports car I think it was a V Eight or something.

17:04.20

christophknoll

Yeah, well they look they look like a sport car.

17:14.40

Paul

And then they transitioned it into an electric car company because it just wasn't selling the sports card just wasn't selling so they transitioned to their electric company and now they have the psar one two and I think 3 now or something but um, yeah, it's pretty sweet so I'm excited to tryut out that Tesla there is the super charge station at um. Mall there. So I might need to use that at least once mom up there. But yeah, oh yeah, of course yeah we got a train of vanary man. Actually I was going to I was going to ask you if you see him or anybody just ah I'll sending the money just throw them some cash for me to to come up there like twenty bucks or something.

17:33.26

christophknoll

Um, and and a couple van sessions too.

17:48.39

christophknoll

I was I was gonna say ah I saw van yesterday. So if next time I see him I'll let I'll let him know do you still have your fob or or I don't know you know using someone else's Fob last time.

17:51.40

Paul

yeah next time yeah yeah I just would yeah I would just go with you whenever we go so as long as you got your file. We're good so just throw them like twenty bucks and I I'll go there probably a couple days and.

18:06.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

18:10.58

Paul

We'll see what happens other than that but to get back to Arnold.

18:12.44

christophknoll

Yep, yeah, but well I was going to say for the ah for the update you're off of everything for how long do you know what? your timeline is looking like.

18:20.13

Paul

Oh yeah, yeah, um, I'm hoping that I'm back on everything come like Christmas time roughly like give or take her on there. Um, because I am ah basically out of everything.

18:28.73

christophknoll

Oca.

18:36.19

Paul

After so I'm out ofloxopen now and then I think I have 1 more pin of Hcg and that's pretty much it at that point there's no more point of really taking I don't think there's really any point of taking any more cloid. Um, and that would be the only thing I'd be taking which is just twenty five Milligrams a day. It just an or a little oral pill. Helps lower the estrogen for a certain amount of time. So ah, that's my really The only thing that's going on right now with that. So I think I'm essentially will be off everything as of today I believe like fully off everything not even in pct after today. So um. When I actually get back onto something. Yeah I probably say like maximum like 3 to four weeks probably um and then we'll be back. You know training and probably doing some sort of blast or something might get into a cruise I'm not sure what the plan is um, but yeah, I'm definitely ready to because we're trying to cut back on fat right now like we yeah.

19:18.65

christophknoll

Um.

19:26.24

christophknoll

Nope.

19:31.79

Paul

Got a new I got a new plan is less food like like less carbs. It's not a ton less but it's less and also added cardio. So it's 5 sessions to 25 minutes now um and then the less carbs. So I'm actually down a little bit of weight this week ah so that's pretty exciting I want to see the fact.

19:47.45

christophknoll

Nice.

19:50.74

Paul

Leave I told him last week I was like dude I'm definitely ready for a recon because I really ah, really hate seeing how much fat and water I'm putting on I got up to my heaviest I've ever been so it wasn't um I think sometime during the week I was around just under 208

20:00.71

christophknoll

What's it. What's your Ah, what's your heavy.

20:07.33

christophknoll

Nice.

20:09.77

Paul

So um, now I'm at like 2 4 point 7 or something like that. So I dropped a lot of weight this week is just a lot of water and a lot of fat that I build up pretty easily and that's just naturally naturally I just build up water and fat. Ah, especially with like prolactin and stuff like that because of.

20:22.49

christophknoll

Yeah.

20:28.83

Paul

You know it sounds stupid but being in a relationship you build up more prolacted, especially now, especially now that we're trying for a child. Um and then even more so when we get pregnant Once she's pregnant. Yeah, once you're you know if you are with you know, a girl Obviously yeah and you get her pregnant. Um, as a guy you naturally build up more Prolactin in order to put on more fat allowing you to have more stored energy for sleepless nights when your baby is born. It's just something we do biologically. So once she is pregnant I will probably like if I especially if I wasn't on anything.

20:58.80

christophknoll

Ah.

21:05.55

Paul

My fat would just skyrocket probably because my body is just getting ready for a kid. Um and the same thing happens when you are are in a relationship too. Even once you get comfortable in a relationship. That's why they say like oh you get? you know you get you get ah chunky when you're comfortable in a relationship with that's kind of part of the reason why is your prolacting levels are increasing.

21:10.99

christophknoll

Yep.

21:25.55

Paul

Ah, your body's getting ready to reproduce. So um, you got to be on top of that my my proacting was through the fucking roof when we last tested it. So um, that was really more So my gyno than anything but the good news is that even at the weight that I'm at even at my heaviest I still have more definition than I did.

21:33.13

christophknoll

Um, so.

21:44.69

Paul

You know, like prior to like my show like my show like my heaviest before my shows I had more fat than I do now way more fat than I do now and also way less muscle to um and a lot weaker too like I just I just did a overhand barbell rose for the first time in like. Have no idea how long probably like a good year at least and I did 2 plates for like 8 or 9 and I was pretty happy about that. So I was like all right, not not too bad I'm not really on anything so I'm not or really strong right now. But I'm definitely a lot stronger than I used to be so pretty happy about that and I'm still benching to 25 for reps like eight nine reps now.

22:08.54

christophknoll

Talia.

22:22.62

Paul

Um I haven't squated in a while. So I've noted where that's at but for the most part, my strengths maintaining for the most part, my energy is fucking shit though dude like it just it sucks so bad. Um I don't want to train more than I'm like the most I ever trained is like forty forty five minutes

22:31.54

christophknoll

Yep.

22:39.52

Paul

Honestly, like I but it's also a lot of movements like I like my back day which I just did a couple days ago. It's 4 supersets. No, it's 3 supersets at a single set so I do four back movements and 3 tricep movements. So it's overall 7 movements I just am able to bang it out in like forty forty five minutes because I don't take much rest. So it's hard but I don't want to be there any longer than I have to be you know? So yeah, that's where I'm at it's no fun.

23:06.73

christophknoll

Nice, um, yeah I'm ah I'm looking at um I'm I'm you know my mind's a lot different than Paul's but

23:12.65

Paul

Um.

23:18.13

christophknoll

Um, off of the 2 compounds that I was taking for sarms and you know I put on I've maintained throughout my entire life I've been at the two hundred Mark my entire adult life like regardless of how I look I've just always been 200 and it sucks but I peaked at 132

23:32.40

Paul

This is.

23:36.52

christophknoll

Um, that was last week I hit two I was around 2 13 one of my way-ins so I'm immediately thinking about what I'm doing and I'm gonna I'm hopping back on I haven't decided quite yet. What I want to do but it'll be January first and then all the way through to the end of March so it's three month

23:38.42

Paul

Nice.

23:55.74

christophknoll

A little push and then just get ready for the summer. Um, and I'm just my mind is just bit a small pct with chlomafine just twenty megs per day just until the end of this week and then done with that and then.

24:13.00

Paul

M.

24:15.30

christophknoll

Just nadty until well as natty as it comes until um, the end of the year so but you're right I it's not nearly as bad for in comparison to what you're experiencing, but there are some days where I'm just not happy in the gym and you know.

24:20.42

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

24:32.83

christophknoll

That that sucks because gym is my happy place. So um, it depends on the day like you know my my back date back in chess days I Love it. You can't get me out of there like I'm I'm in there. But I've started my my leg days really really suck now because my joints.

24:33.86

Paul

Um, yeah, um.

24:51.14

christophknoll

Just because of all the injuries I had my joints are still and the process of healing. Um, well not the joints the the muscles surrounding the joints and um, that's yeah, it just sucks like I can't really squat. That's that's my thing like I can squat low weight and like kind of high rep. But. I Can't really do what I like to do which is squat a lot and really push myself because you know that's you have to push yourself incredibly hard on leg days and I can't really do that when I squat so I do a lot of hack squats now and um, the um pendulum pendulum ah press or whatever. It's called with the.

25:27.15

Paul

I would just call us pen to them squat I think.

25:29.39

christophknoll

Giant arm that swings down. Yeah Pendulum squat. Yeah those. That's where I those 2 are where I can really target. You know my my quads really? Well obviously you can change your positioning Target hammies and glutes to but that's where I get my best Quad exposure just From. Ah, or sorry without damaging my my ankles or knees.

25:51.14

Paul

Yeah that's my my problem with honestly like like press like ah squatting I'm fine with my knees and all that it's it's fine for me. Um I typically use squatting for quads. But um I have been I've been kind of avoiding it lately just because I want to um I'm I'm less prone to injury. But. Want to do more stuff that I enjoy rather than like get more gains out of right now just because I don't want to train in the first place but lightpress is my favorite for quads but it just it takes so long to put the way on and take it off that I don't have any motivation to do it. You know it's like it. It will legit take me like 15 minutes to 20 minutes to do like pressures because.

26:13.20

christophknoll

Oh.

26:30.53

Paul

To put on you know, 8 9 10 eleven plates. Whatever I feel like hitting that day and then taking them off and that just takes so much having I'm so exhausted after lifting all that weight like pulling it off the bar and then putting it onto a machine of some sort. It just takes so fucking long I just don't want to do it. That's my problem. Yeah.

26:44.59

christophknoll

Yeah I get that that's why training partners are superior.

26:49.29

Paul

But um, yeah I wish yeah, but thankfully the gym I go to does have a hundred pound plates so it's not too too bad a lot of the time. It's just but a hundred pound plate is heavy as fuck when you're putting it on and taking it off. But um, right now I just do vertical like.

26:58.62

christophknoll

Um.

27:06.72

Paul

Vertical leg press because it's still kind of a like press. But um I put less weight on there. You don't have to have as much weight because the weight is directly above you. It's a lot. It feels a lot heavier. So um, that's what I do for like press. Yeah.

27:15.52

christophknoll

Yeah, it's also constant tension like with with a ah you know with a standard angled leg press and you there are moments where you don't feel the weight as much but with a vertical leg press. It's like you're feeling it one ah hundred percent of the time.

27:30.26

Paul

Yeah.

27:32.90

christophknoll

It's like doing a cable but cable exercise compared to like a dumb ball exercise. Both are good but you'll feel the tension always during the cable exercise.

27:38.48

Paul

Yeah, it's pretty. It's pretty similar I mean it's yeah it it is a lot more nerveracking too because it waits above you I'm used to it now. But when you first try vertical like press. It's It's a little scary because the weights above you and it's pressing down onto your body like with a vert with a angled like press.

27:47.10

christophknoll

Um.

27:51.97

christophknoll

Yep.

27:57.18

Paul

You know you got safeties and you know that at the end of the day if it weret a crush onto you, You'd be fine because it's built that way but like a vertical like press. Yeah, there are stoppers but you like won't be able to get out like you have to have someone lift the weight off you? Um, so it's it's a bit nerve wracking it's just a weird sensation. You know.

28:10.83

christophknoll

Yep.

28:16.61

Paul

To experience the weight directly above you? nice.

28:19.43

christophknoll

She she was going to start knocking stuff over if I didn't pull the chair for.

28:27.76

Paul

Um, but yeah, so with that being said I mean my biggest thing that I Miss is just honestly just gonna sound stupid but trend and it's not because of the gains. It's the it's the way it made me feel training. Um, it just like even on a low dose that I was on. It felt like.

28:39.88

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

28:45.20

Paul

Training felt like sex a little bit like goes so good like I felt like all I wanted to do is train I was preferred coming or I don't prefer coming. It's almost as good as coming for the fuck he said in that interview you've never seen bisec like these.

28:48.61

christophknoll

It is like the feeling of coming.

29:00.46

christophknoll

When I want to do what I want to do one more curl. It feels like I am coming oh the pump. That's what it is Yeah, he talks about the pump with that. Ah.

29:06.94

Paul

I'm coming from the pump I prefer the pump of you coming come on come on, get the upon can come. But.

29:17.43

christophknoll

Yeah I mean that that was that's like an early like attempt at Clickbait you know be.

29:24.40

Paul

Yeah, he's yeah I I don't know the hell he was experiencing. They didn't have trend back then so I could tell you Seth with now what trend is so it's yeah, there's no way you can ever think that getting a pump is as good as coming. There's no way.

29:39.18

christophknoll

Yeah, you know on that on that point. Um you mentioned Tren and back in the day so like Arnold's golden era bodybuilder came from the you know it started 60 s seventy s eighty s and then you know finished up around.

29:57.80

christophknoll

Actually no, he finished up in an eighty sorry um and ah part of part of you know what he was doing is like you know his diet and and supplements and ah I found this prior when we were looking up our sources and whatnot.

29:58.27

Paul

A.

30:13.48

christophknoll

And I just want you guys to hear this is this is according to this site. The only thing that Arnold was taking he was taking a multivitamin creatine and then some bcas that's it no no, ah no, no big juice just just just those 3

30:29.16

Paul

He did talk about it in a video I think and I think it was like fifty Milligrams a d ball and like I think he would just do whatever the doctor said for tests that I would think he talked about his test I forget what it was.

30:40.84

christophknoll

Yeah, and in in in the autobiography. It's very clear. He's not talking about what compounds and what dosage but he said that he went to his doctor and was like hey everyone else is doing this. What do you think and the doctor was like well here you go.

30:53.59

Paul

Yeah, that's how it was you just go to the doctor and they give you everything you'd get everything from your doctor D ball test and of our.

31:02.51

christophknoll

Can you imagine? can you imagine if if we were in. Obviously you know way less information and data. So we wouldn't be as mindful of it. But if you imagine if we had our like modern day understanding and the golden era standards for. But like lacks of of of standards for going to the doctor like oh that'd be incredible. Hey Doc I need some trend. What do you got for me? Well what what kind.

31:27.87

Paul

I Mean there are clinics like that they'll they'll just you just go you get tested tested. You know they test you but it doesn't really matter what pops up on the test and they'll just fucking throw deca at you like it's just this just how it is.

31:40.29

christophknoll

No.

31:44.77

Paul

There's a clip um episode of Veronica Mars my wife and I were watching and this kid goes down to Mexico to get steroids for this bodybuilder. The dude he said he bought 8 grain worth of steroids I'm like fucking what I'm like that's so much like that is so fucking much like that is.

32:00.90

christophknoll

Yep.

32:03.13

Paul

Unbelievably um, unbelievable about.

32:03.75

christophknoll

What I wonder if it's 8 grand us dollars or eight Grand peso because 8 grand paceup. Oh okay because I was going to say 8 grand of peso is only like I don't know like three hundred bucks for us I think and.

32:08.39

Paul

It was 8 grade usd yeah no No, no it was there was a whole episode because um, he owed him the money but he couldn't find the steroids and in and a beat his friend took them but um, he had to come up with 8 grand to give them and he's like oh he doesn't want the money he wants the steroids and. What not and which is which is I mean it's relatively accurate because actually Mexico is very very lax about steroids. You can go buy tons of steroid just over the counter in source. So they're pretty lax about it.

32:44.19

christophknoll

Ah, yeah, it's like it's like the videos of like Indonesia you walk into like some convenience store and it was like hey you got test.

32:50.28

Paul

Yeah, so do just on the shelf if you just buy it. They advertise it some place to advertise it on their windows that they got like different steroids but it's just funny to me I'm like that's just so much fucking money like I've never heard people spending that much.

32:53.67

christophknoll

And.

33:04.82

Paul

Like at the most I've heard in real life is like 5 or six hundred bucks at once on just test because they order from China so they like buy them bulk and then suspend it themselves.

33:12.88

christophknoll

Well I was going to say Well yeah I Guess for people you know, but people we've heard of I mean we heard of live Liverkin cycle which was fifteen K So but ah yeah, yeah for people you know? yeah.

33:21.95

Paul

Ah, yeah, yeah, of course and um, rich panis was expensive too. Yeah yeah people I know personally um I know someone who buys in bulk from China which is really where most tests comes from testosterone is extremely cheap to make very easy to make.

33:37.95

christophknoll

I was going to say what's what's the quality standard from getting it that region of the world because I I don't mean that in like a discriminatory kind of way I mean in the way of like when you buy.

33:38.29

Paul

It's hard to mess up as well. Um, you'd have to really um, it's It's pretty high um, a lot of.

33:56.20

christophknoll

Like Fake Jerseys or stuff like that you get decent quality product but it's clearly a fake like you know like they specialize in that they know how to undercart the American economy to like it's good for them like they make a lot of money doing it because it's so cheap to make it. Um, ah.

34:00.10

Paul

Yeah.

34:13.16

Paul

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, it's it's ah it's a fair. It's a fair question because you're getting it from a place that's known for cheap products and and cheap labor and all of that. So it's Donna unfair question so to answer your question. It is.

34:13.99

christophknoll

That that's all I meant with that comment.

34:23.46

christophknoll

Ah, yep.

34:28.58

Paul

If you know where you're getting it from and you and you do like especially if you know if you have a source or like a reference or something then you can get high quality stuff. Obviously there's always gonna be fakes out there and all that and you got to be careful of that. But for the most part most places you get testosterone is going to come from China other places like other things. Coming from other places. Ah so I don't know exactly the origin of other things I want to say tre might actually come from America um, pre-mail probably comes from America as well. Just given how expensive it is. But um, testosterone is very cheap to make it's it's a few bucks a vial really for like Ten mill. 10 mill worth of tests which is probably like I don't like like like two grams of test just probably like um like ah like five ten bucks to make for them. So do you buy them and if you buy them in bulk. Um I think I was talking to someone and he said he bought like.

35:13.82

christophknoll

Couple hundred. Oh I was yeah resale is what I was thinking.

35:26.39

Paul

He was like ten ten or fifteen vials for like five hundred bucks and each file was about um was like two grams what you suspended it. It's about ten milliliters of testosterone. Um, so you buy it in bulk and it's cheaper in the long run but it also depends on.

35:34.60

christophknoll

Yeah.

35:44.96

Paul

You know too because if there's a bunch of middlemen's gonna add up in price so you know one of the sources I go to if I think you might actually get it direct from them because it's like eighty bucks or something for TwentyMill which is yeah his prices are really low.

35:49.26

christophknoll

Um.

35:59.84

christophknoll

He's able to keep his prices down.

36:03.30

Paul

And on top of that I was telling someone was like yeah I spend eighty bucks on a vi and they're like oh that's not bad I'm like little twenty mill and they're like what like like oh that's fucking phenomenal and then I'm like yeah they also do like routine tests and they also send out these tests to their customers. They say hey you know we just got like I got one a few weeks ago is like oh we tested. Ah.

36:07.99

christophknoll

Who.

36:22.32

Paul

Tested a few different products and they all came back. 99% purity which is like as pure as it's gonna get um and they also say like you know the lab is actually like a reputable lab that people get shit tested at so um, it's pretty good pricing and and all that.

36:25.70

christophknoll

Oh yeah.

36:39.41

Paul

A lot atabolics Still a lot cheaper than people think it is even if you go to farmer grade. It's really not that expensive. But um, when you go to a clinic. It can be.

36:42.80

christophknoll

And can you imagine I was going to say can you imagine bringing in some products to get tested. Let's say you're like you run a little operation you you're getting your test checked. You're getting your let's say like I don't know Anovvar checked and and. Anything like you. You just bring a couple compounds in whatever form and the person at the lab goes so where did you get these? He's ah.

37:10.60

Paul

I mean they don't really care I mean because you could be working for a clinic theoretically I mean it's there's I'm sure there's like Nda's involved and you know you might not necessarily need to tell them personal information or anything. Um.

37:15.57

christophknoll

Oh I know I'm just yeah I'm just adding a comedic flair to it.

37:24.10

Paul

No yeah, no, it's it's totally. It's totally fair like you'd be kind of be kind of questionable I always also wonder that about like like blood testing facilities like quest or lab core and they like I get my results back and or like for okay so like private md labs or whatever is like 1 of the lab places I get.

37:31.41

christophknoll

Oh.

37:39.26

christophknoll

Ah.

37:42.47

christophknoll

And they're like your your free test is nine fifty

37:42.97

Paul

My stuff done so like the way it works. Yeah, so so you buy you buy the they call their requisition. Basically you basically buy these tests from these companies right? and they'll say okay so they have like a partnership with lab core or quest diagnostics typically. Ah, prefer quest over lab core. That's just me pres solution I just like the way they work better. But um, you go to the facility they you have these things called requisition papers and you give them recus book requisition papers tells them who you are what you're there for all that so they basically take um that information. And take the amount of blood that's required by the test. So um, they tell labcorre hey we're going to need you know ah you know 100 milliters or whatever of their blood. Um in x number of vials in this distribution of vials. So take this blood send it back to us once they get it back. They run the test. And then send you the results. So I think it's funny when I get my results back and it's like literally like seven hundred milligrams of free tests and imagine the guy like I they it's probably automated of some sort but imagine the guy like running the test and he's like Jesus. It's just about to die.

38:53.90

christophknoll

Ah, is he's been looking over like regular blood tests of like you know older people trying to identify like you know, underlying issues and then yours just pops up. He's like whoa. It's it's it's God himself.

39:05.13

Paul

It got double 10 you can even like some tests won't even test for total tests after a certain point like some of them will like twenty five hundred nanograms which is grained that's triple the high end of normal normal range is 50900 so triple a high end is roughly 2500 so sometimes they wouldn't even test further than that would just say oh it's over 2500 nagrams we don't actually know how much it's just over that. So. It'd be funny to be that they see that like fuck dude yeah, it's it's so high we gave and measure it. It's literally off the charts would be funny.

39:30.79

christophknoll

We.

39:41.74

christophknoll

Ah, that's great.

39:43.81

Paul

But um, yeah, so to get back to Arnold. They just got it from from clinics and a lot of clinics will kind of give you shit like that not nearly as as much as they used to like you should be able to guess used to be able to go diss like your pcp and get this shit diagnosed to you you know or not diagnosed like like prescribed to you? um. And you just go buy test and it was also so much fucking cheaper back then too like it was nothing. It was pennies dude which also makes you wonder like like it's so much more marked up now like I know someone who goes to clinic now and once a month I think he goes and gets tested and they also give them.

40:07.88

christophknoll

Ah.

40:21.81

Paul

Like a month's supply of I don't I think it was testosterone. Um I think it was cream though because like there's different ways to take testosterone in one of the ways you take it if you're on like a Trt dosage is a cream that you put on your skin. Um like an ointment. It's literally like a lotion. Yeah, it infuses with your skin.

40:33.48

christophknoll

Yeah, just infuses. Yeah.

40:39.62

Paul

Um, and it's also low. It's slower digesting that way too. Um, so you get like a month's supply of it for like a hundred bucks and I'm like fuck you that's expensive like that is expensive, but granted, you know if you aren't involved in the bodybuilding community. You don't have a guy to go to you don't understand. Your order. You don't understand how you know the dark web works or how you know distribution of money works in that sense too like then you know obviously clinics are just so much fucking easier to go to and get it done great and like I said it's a lot more expensive but it could be worth it depending on the person. So. But the clinics back then you just go and just say what you want and they'd give it to you. It's kind of like ah like medicinal marijuana doctors now like you just go and be like oh I have stress and they just give you a fucking card like they don't care. Um at the end of the day. Yeah, it's legal.

41:21.91

christophknoll

Nap.

41:26.60

christophknoll

We don't have to deal with that up here. We it's it's full full blown up here.

41:32.40

Paul

Yeah, most places and most places I think are going in that direction anyways. But um, yeah, it's just astounding to me that it used to be that way I wish it was still that way. But you know you got your bad apples who abuse it um and kind of ruin it further everybody else, but. Um, the good news is is that um the way they look at steroids now is kind of the way I feel like they've always kind of looked at it where like the like the law at least I think really the so you talk to any cops you talk to dea all that they really don't give a shit if you're just taking to like. Steroids They really don't care. Um, like if they were to catch you like if you're driving and they search your car or something and they find it. They probably have to confiscate it. But they're not going to arrest you for it. They're not going to like really like you're going to arrest someone over testosterone and if the guys are like clearly like.

42:23.80

christophknoll

Nev.

42:25.20

Paul

You know and you can get a prescription for it too like that's another thing guys do too the go Clinic get a prescription for test if you're just a bodybuilder get a prescription and that way you can cover your ass in the case that like you ever caught with something. Um, but.

42:36.62

christophknoll

Or I mean it might not work down where you are but up here all you got to do is say ah say 2 words I'm transitioning and and you are completely covered in terms of test.

42:48.42

Paul

You just be like I was borned a man I transitioned to the female and now I'm transitioning back to a man.

42:54.77

christophknoll

Not even I I was born a man I'm transitioning to a different level of man.

43:01.72

Paul

Yeah, so I'm transitioning into a superman and and an extraordinary man. Um, and that's what I'm taking testosterone it was prescribed by doctor down. Dont know whatever blue hair I don't know. But yeah.

43:13.60

christophknoll

Dr. Dufre Schmarts isn't that the guy from. Yeah yeah.

43:18.47

Paul

That of course, but um, yeah, so you get the prescription just to cover your ass and you talk to cops too. Um, there's this actually recently I saw this clip this guy was talking. No cop you as a comedian and he was doing crowd work. You're talking to a cop and he said something about.

43:37.53

Paul

Like steroids or something and the cop goes. Yeah I used to take him and he goes what to your cop and he goes cop goess. All of us took it like all ah all of us coughs were taking steroids which it's very like I have a couple cop friends and.

43:44.98

christophknoll

Yeah.

43:54.64

Paul

They're very much when it comes to steroids they they know I take it and I know cops who have taken it or do take it and their stance in a lot of cops. Stances is very much like don't ask our tell and see what the military the military is the same kind of way where it's very much if I don't tell it's like you kind of know like who's taking it but like.

44:05.78

christophknoll

Ah.

44:13.67

Paul

As long as you don't just like blatantly like showcase it I don't think anybody's really going to care. Um, oh those dudes fucking gay huge especially if you're in like Pakistan or Iran or something like that word is legal to go buy shit.

44:17.82

christophknoll

And with the military too. If you have an overseas deployment all baby like can can you imagine like completely like just it. You're you're a family. 1 of your family memberships overseas and let's say you know right? regular looking guy like imagine like you know, either either 1 of us before our you know weightlifting journey began and shipped off overseas comes back like a year later on discharge papers and isn't the right word but ah.

44:40.43

Paul

Yeah, yeah.

44:55.60

Paul

Well like ah an honorable discharge.

44:55.94

christophknoll

But well or I'm just saying visitation like 1 of those like 3 day passes or whatever where you fly home and yeah, exactly and you come ah okay, come home for Christmas and he and this person walks in with £30 of added lean muscle. No hair.

44:59.89

Paul

Yeah, has been sent homeside. Yeah yeah.

45:11.30

Paul

Yeah, it's fucking. Huge.

45:14.67

christophknoll

And you're and you're and you're supposed to sit there and go oh so that's just ah, that's just the the military discipline is it and the person actively panning goes. Ah yeah, that's right.

45:26.84

Paul

That's just how it is um, no, it's I do know someone who who has served and yeah the test. Ah the the Steroid usage out out overseas typically is pretty pretty substantial. It's very much abused. A lot of the time and and also like at the same time.

45:36.48

christophknoll

No.

45:43.30

Paul

You're out there and you're not working you don't really got much going on. You know you're kind of just there. Yeah, like if I had nothing to do besides work I would just go train like because I just have something to do like even it like I just go train total body like every day just because like.

45:47.98

christophknoll

You're just gonna work out. Yeah.

45:54.88

christophknoll

Yeah, ah.

46:01.00

Paul

You like I'd be there for 3 hours you know like who cares like you got nothing else to do you just go home and you could even really like you can maybe watch Tv stuff like that you can maybe use your phone I'm not even sure how it works now but like he was saying that you know that's what a lot of them would do and you know the the food that they're feeding you isn't the most. Micronutrient stents. But it's pretty macronutrient stins ah food and you know you talk to people who who have served each branch treats. Ah food differently. But um, there's a podcast clip I saw where this guy was talking and he was in the marines and he said. The way they would feed you in the marines is if you were too fat. They'd actually feed you half a portion of each meal. So like you'd they'd actually cut your meal in half with each meal until you lost the weight and you said if you're skinny, they'd actually feed you double and he said he goes oh what didn't you guys like trade and goes no, you actually have to eat so fast. You can't even talk.

46:53.20

christophknoll

Yeah.

46:54.86

Paul

He's like there you got Joel sargeants yelling at you to eat faster and you have to shove this salisbury steak down your throat and if you got 2 portions. He's like it sucks because you have to eat so much food at once and with every single meal. Um.

47:05.50

christophknoll

We just you stack 2 steaks on top of each other grab it like a sandwich and go to town.

47:12.16

Paul

Literally like that's yeah, you'd have so like I imagined almost like pancakes like you stack them and cut them and you'd eat 2 2 bytees at once? Um, but the other thing with military too is that you also don't want to be massive like these massive dues in the military are definitely not infantry because.

47:15.30

christophknoll

Yeah.

47:28.90

Paul

If you're an infantry and you're actually on the ground in the fight Theoretically, you don't want to be massive. You want to be able to manipulate your body really well and you want to also be able to carry a lot of weight you don't want to be massive muscular wise because then you're going to be a bitch to carry around in the case that you go down and um, it's going to be harder to manipulate your body weight.

47:44.97

christophknoll

Um, well.

47:47.82

Paul

Was talking to someone this same guy who's in the military and he said I sent this video to him and it was like this guy was like just fucking massive if I was like dude I was like how does this dude look this lean in the military and he goes he goes I would be I would be so upset if he was on my team because he is like because if he went down and we're out there in a fight. He goes. It would be such a bitch to pull him out of there because of how heavy he is even though he's Lean. He's super fucking heavy and at the same time. These guys are you know I can speak to it that any bodybuilder is stiff and not agile I am not athletic at all. But I can train you know I can Lift. Um.

48:23.24

christophknoll

Ah, oh.

48:26.30

Paul

But if I were to try to go do like an obstacle course I'd be probably slow because I can't move my body weight around that Well I'm not I'm not built to do that like I've trained to move other weight around. Not my weight you know so it's something considered for those in the military.

48:34.34

christophknoll

Yeah.

48:41.38

christophknoll

Yeah, um, just to ah to loop back to some arnold stuff. Um, Arnold's routine was ah one that made you know, especially when he was marketing it when he got into that side of things. It was one that kind of.

48:48.18

Paul

Come.

48:58.60

christophknoll

Was not the the norm for people to kind of interact with because a lot of his especially his supersets were conflicting muscle groups and it would be you know things that you wouldn't pair together like oh this is not part of like the strict routine but like you would go from like. Ah, lap pull down to bench press like you would be training to but like different sides of your body. Um, but I've I've ran a workout an arnold routine I'm going to pick back up the arnold routine. Um on the come the new year when I'm when I'm back on. Um, the different compounds and ah, it's a ton of fun. Don't get me wrong. It's a ton of fun because you walk out of that gym just exhausted every day because when you train like for example, you train chess like most people men for for men international chess day is Monday um, and. Because if you go to any commercial gym on a Monday every dude's training just um, when you train ches you can and nothing else and you train hard. You'll still be exhausted, but it's because you'd only train chests and like you're able to put all your energy into that. But if you train like for example, Arnold's ah routine is chest and back on the same day. Your body has to divert energy and ah everything that goes into a workout to 2 different halfs of your body so it just continues to test your endurance of how long you can actually go and how much you can actually push like.

50:32.63

christophknoll

But come the end of the workout I'm like crawling out of there like if I really push it. Um, so like his his was always a it's a three day ah workout routine and the days just repeat. It's 1 2 3 1 2 3 off 7 um.

50:50.63

Paul

Um, yeah, you know off seven days yeah

50:51.26

christophknoll

Like off the seventh day. You don't rest seven days ah off on the seventh day let me clarify with that. So then the day one is ah back chest or chests back and then abs are thrown in a couple of these. Um.

51:05.50

Paul

But let me so you are you super setting. So I see the workout here on this this website and the way they listed it was chess and then back and then abs did you super set the chess with back.

51:11.20

christophknoll

Yeah, but. Not always, but for me I would try to superset them if it was reasonable enough in the gym. Empire is tough because of how busy it was when I tried out at Van I'm probably going to be able to do a lot of it because there's just not nearly as many people there like peak.

51:25.60

Paul

Um, yeah, yeah.

51:35.90

christophknoll

Peak rush hour at van is like 8 people so I can very easily go around so I would prefer to do it but most of the time I can't.

51:38.65

Paul

Um, yeah, exactly.

51:43.85

Paul

Yeah, which I mean the way he would train to this is the other thing so the one that I'm looking at here was the why that was featured in the new inks likeedia of body bodybuilding by Arnold and Bill Dobbins so in it. Yeah I got to read it. So.

51:57.10

christophknoll

Um, great book. Buy it if you don't have it.

52:03.49

Paul

The way a lot of the way he would train was he would literally do supersets. Um, there's videos of him going from bench press immediately into a la pull down. Um, so that's typically how he would train so you're training anterior muscles and that is the way that so this is this is back to the 70 s sixty s and seventy s where they didn't.

52:12.47

christophknoll

Um.

52:21.36

Paul

Know as much about the human physique and and really everything that we know about today about human anatomy. So at the time that the logic behind it was while my chest is resting I can hit my back. Um, so that's the that's the logic behind it. So that's why they were doing a lot of supersets a lot of anterior muscle movements. Ah, for those supersets. Um, and also they felt that the more training you did the more results you got to them. There wasn't really like a diminishing return. Yeah, there wasn't to them. There was no diminishing return. It was how long could they train for um so.

52:48.93

christophknoll

Yeah, they were volume heavy. Yeah.

52:59.13

Paul

This example that you were saying is chests backed and shoulder arms and then legs and lower back. Um, which is mostly what he did he would say I think he was in the the gym for up to like 4 hours or something a lot of the time.

53:01.71

christophknoll

Yeah.

53:09.73

christophknoll

Well, he would split workout so workout in the morning workout at the end at like he'd split split his workouts. No no like he would be. He would be hitting it twice like if he did Justin yeah like Justin back in the morning.

53:16.96

Paul

How would he do that with chess and back day or like the other days in one day

53:27.50

christophknoll

Go do stuff Justin back at the in the evening or something or yeah he was a monster.

53:30.43

Paul

Wow. Okay, yeah, two days is not ideal. Let me tell you that two days is not ideal. Um, anybody.

53:38.60

christophknoll

I I used to do to a day over last summer but it would be very specific. It would be like if I did you know arms I can go and hit something else. Um I would never repeat a muscle group on the same day. You know.

53:52.23

Paul

Yeah I mean.

53:54.44

christophknoll

And I was on I was only ever doing it because I'm a teacher and I don't work in the summer so I was like what what else am I going to do you know.

54:00.82

Paul

Yeah I think for for results wise 2 adays is not ideal I can understand and go to the gym to train and then come back later on to do cardio. Um, but to actually train for hypertrophy. you're you're not you're kind of wasting your time with two a days. Um, unless you're on like a shit to of anabolics.

54:15.56

christophknoll

Um.

54:18.72

Paul

Um, which is what anabolics does is really at the end of the day just helps with recovery. So if you're taking a lot of anabolics and your recover like ah like ah like a motherfucker really then you could do 2 adays and it could be beneficial. But at that point it's it's you're due to a lot of damage to your body but there is another split. It says. His his second variation. How the fuck he did this I have no idea so it's 21 movements on a chest back in like day and each each movement has most of them have 6 sets some of them have 4 or someone have 5 but.

54:46.26

christophknoll

Oh.

54:56.90

Paul

I don't fucking understand how someone can do that in one day 21 movements

55:02.79

christophknoll

Well, they would just live at the gym like if you like the the old documentaries like that were you know around arnold and colombo and those guys they were just either at the gym or at the beach because especially Arnold. Weider was paying like it was was taking care of him so he didn't have to do anything other than work out and look good so he was literally just at the gym or at the beach the whole day. Nothing else if I had the ability to do that I would love to do that. But at the same time I live in new england. So.

55:30.96

Paul

That's insane to me. But.

55:39.77

christophknoll

You know if I did that in the dead of the winter I'm not going to be going to. There's no like I live on a lake I'm not going to go to the beach of the Lake you know.

55:48.10

Paul

Yeah, um I bet Arnold got there and after Joe Weider started paying for him. He's just like all right? We're doing a fucking 8 hour armworkout today 8 hour arm workout.

55:57.48

christophknoll

Ah, hey guys I found I found a crazy new leg day. Basically it's an 8 hour arm like.

56:04.52

Paul

Yeah, exactly? Um, but yeah, so that's that's crazy I don't have the time or energy to do 21 movements like that that. Like I'm looking at it right now and it's actually it's just blowing my fucking mind like bench. It goes bench press dumbbell fly Incel Incline Bench Press cable crossovers dips dumbbell pullovers wide grip pullup and it just keeps going. It's like every single movement you can do for chest and back and legs in 1 setting in in 1 movement or one workout.

56:26.38

christophknoll

Ah.

56:32.81

Paul

And at least 5 sets typically 5 sets at least and minimum like 6 to 10 reps goal for all sets some of them get up to like 12 to 15 some of them are just failure for each set. Um so like he would do 5 sets of dips till failure each one's still failure. Um.

56:49.20

christophknoll

No.

56:52.83

Paul

That's just unbelievable to me like I don't like how the hell do you have the energy for that even like the Marcus rule like the Marcus Rule Body shock workout that he does he did he do that you know once or once in a while he was like a like a week or month I forget how long the actual duration was I can understand how he had the time for that shit like. Might be like like 8 or 9 movements for your back and you'd do like during a back day which I could see you know you might be in the gym for a couple hours but like that kind of makes sense to me. You know if you're doing 4 5 sets you do doing 9 movements for your back or something like that I can understand that but 21 movements.

57:23.27

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

57:30.26

Paul

And 5 to 6 sets each like you're just fucking. You're beyond wasting your time.

57:31.50

christophknoll

Well see see Paul you're not looking at it the right way you need to grab a barbell. You need to go to the leg extension machine and while you're doing like extensions you're doing a military press.

57:45.12

Paul

You're shocking the body you're shocking the muscle group.

57:47.19

christophknoll

And it's also a crunch machine so you're actually crunching pushing and leg attention.

57:55.29

Paul

That's so dumb what else could we put in there can you and you can do this to forearms.

57:56.99

christophknoll

Ah, add add the well no while you're crunching down on your your upper body pulling down you add the Brian Shag um keg push into that. So then you have more resistance hence. I.

58:15.14

Paul

That's so dumb. That's awesome that be wbbie debbies. You've just working out your whole body at once. Um.

58:22.77

christophknoll

It's like ah that I don't know how this ever gained any traction I tried it once when I was a Pf person they have a full body workout where you stand on a platform and the platform just shakes you.

58:35.50

Paul

That That's not a full body workout.

58:37.99

christophknoll

Ah, you just sit there for like a half hour going like this and they're like great workout.

58:44.54

Paul

Okay, well moving on day two so day one was chest back and legs day 2 is shoulders and arms shoulders and arms has a good like 15 to 20 movements. Each one is a minimum of like.

58:47.80

christophknoll

Yeah.

59:02.80

Paul

Well, there's a minimum of force that set ofly but most of them are are 6 sets. Um and then he just repeat that. So there's two days he goes chest back arm legs and then shoulders arms and then do that again again again. Day seven is rest so odd days would be chest backed legs even days of shoulders and arms and then day seven is rest.

59:24.20

christophknoll

Yeah, there's that and then there's also the three day that I was doing yeah the 3 the three day is the chests back. Ah chess back abs shoulder arm. Ah well, he's it says shoulder arm trisce but shoulders and arms. Um, and then.

59:27.30

Paul

Yeah, that 1 makes a lot more sense. Um.

59:39.19

Paul

Yeah, see like that I could see a lot more the Shoulders Arms shoulders and arms looks like something I'd be I was heading like dirt prep you know like that's like when you have the energy for it and you're taking stuff that helps with the energy and working out feels.

59:42.22

christophknoll

Legs.

59:58.44

christophknoll

Oh.

59:58.96

Paul

Fucking Phenomenal. You want to train as much as that shoulders and arms workout like that's like your minimum. Um, so I could understand that his chest and back workout. That's actually really fucking solid ass workout like I would give that to someone I'd be like yeah this is a pretty good chest and back workout. Granted.

01:00:10.28

christophknoll

Yeah.

01:00:16.72

Paul

You could get better results if you split them up differently. So if you did ches and tries or chests and buys and then do the opposite with back? Um, yeah, so like that way, you're not doing doing 2 gigantic muscle groups but like the chest and back workout makes sense like everything within that makes sense the sets make sense the amount of.

01:00:20.86

christophknoll

Yeah, complementary muscles. Yeah.

01:00:34.72

Paul

What you're actually doing makes sense like that legit looks like 1 of my movements right now graded like I said it's not chastting back together to be like chess and biceps right now but it looks very similar to that. Um I'm also not really hitting anything for abs right now either. So um, I'm just not focusing on abs right now I just would rather just get out the gym.

01:00:40.59

christophknoll

Ah.

01:00:54.36

Paul

Um, but yes I mean it's it's he he did kind of bring about really high intensity workouts I mean a lot of what he was known for was um, as far as training goes is just training hard which is a good thing to have you know? Um, which is I mean one of the. Greatest compliments I've ever gotten. Um from my coach specifically was when um when Chehuy moved out here. He said go trade with Paul he trains hard and he knows what he's doing with training and that's one of my greatest compliments because you know I I do train hard and um.

01:01:23.60

christophknoll

Me.

01:01:31.92

Paul

Super dice guy. The front desk guy at um, the gym I go to. He's also trainer he he posted me and this other guy on his Instagram because he's like these 2 these 2 guys specifically every day they come in. They put their head down and they fucking work and I'm like yeah, that's what I do. Like it's it's I try I I want to be known for that I want to be known for training hard. Um, and yeah, really at the end of the day I want to be known for being a good poser kind of like Lee priest you know like I want to be not leave priest. Sorry um, Lelabrada lela brada known for his posing.

01:01:48.72

christophknoll

Um, and proposing.

01:02:01.87

christophknoll

Well I was gonna say to the the video you sent me of um oh my God can you We might have to um I don't go there anymore. But when you're up.

01:02:05.49

Paul

Oh terrence ruffins. Oh I Love that video Dude Love that video.

01:02:16.66

christophknoll

What you said two weeks okay well we might have to go do an empire one because I'm not a member there anymore, but empire just opened a opposing room with giant like the spotlight style lighting with um.

01:02:18.82

Paul

Ah, next week actually Friday and line up.

01:02:27.29

Paul

Nice.

01:02:34.38

christophknoll

Mirrors front and side. Ah, they they have different stands for you to put your phone on um like it's it's legit.

01:02:40.65

Paul

Yeah, that's what up. Yeah, we got to check that out. There's a gym near me that has a opposing room but I just never go there I haven't been too much posing lately just because I feel like it look like shit. So I'm really been bothering. But yeah, that video of Terence is phenomenal. Um, ah.

01:02:52.10

christophknoll

Ah.

01:02:57.96

Paul

I think it's vengeance the theme song to the equalizer I think is a song in that I believe um and it's just phenomenal. He he learned a lot of his posting from Lee Lebrada I'm pretty sure. so yeah so um there's a video of of.

01:03:09.00

christophknoll

No.

01:03:15.13

Paul

Ter Roughin's posing is clearly like a photo shoot right? it like ah it was designed for this and there's video and editing and all that um or music and all that.

01:03:20.47

christophknoll

Yeah, like when he did a when he did one of these and there's a camera where his hand is like you That's intentional.

01:03:28.55

Paul

Yeah, and like there's like this like admitted smoke when he does like this like fly movement kind of thing when he goes down. Um, but he learned it from I think a lot of his posing from Lee Labrada and the way Lee Labrada pose is what's called open closed open and err closed open closed.

01:03:32.14

christophknoll

The up.

01:03:46.11

Paul

So the way it would work is he would when he's transitioning from movement to movement. He'd open up his body. You'd open it up. So like you're doing a front double he would then like open up his body. Like put spread out his arms and then he would do like a scorpion or something like that like he it was like the way that he would pose is is very like it's flow like water is the ideas. It's it's transitioning the transitions is what's so nice about Lee Lebrondas posing style. So that's really what's what's featured in that video so phenomenal posing. Um.

01:04:04.90

christophknoll

No.

01:04:17.62

Paul

Arnold was ah was a really really good poser as well. Um, you know he has one of the most iconic poses of all time arguably with his you know like sideback. Um, yeah in Columbus yeah, and what's interesting about that post specifically is that people don't realize well one how hard it is to hit that.

01:04:27.56

christophknoll

There's a statue of it.

01:04:37.22

Paul

Because you're crunching your side so hard and at the same time people think that like when you're doing it. It's kind of like a front double combined with a side chest for your legs but then you just angle. It's like dude no, you actually look at the pose his shoulders and his arms are like perpendicular with the ground like they're perfectly straight up and down.

01:04:53.67

christophknoll

The here.

01:04:57.13

Paul

Like he's really bent the fuck over. So anytime somebody does that I'm like further like almost every single time I'm like twist further or you have to go deeper more. Yeah shooting the lasers at at Luke More

01:05:02.86

christophknoll

Ah, set stars mean more more heat loop. Yeah.

01:05:14.20

Paul

But yeah, it's that's exactly how it is like fuck I bar and then I like telling him the angle more and they don't do it I'm like fucking more keep going more use. This q says you think Arnold gave excuses. No.

01:05:19.48

christophknoll

Their spine their spine snaps and they're paralyzed more.

01:05:32.28

Paul

You guys say it like right? You think oh no gave excuses. No.

01:05:36.20

christophknoll

When I'm gaming later or next time I have it I know it's going to pop up and I'm going to think of this conversation.

01:05:42.56

Paul

Is that a Carl weez you got to do Greg do set you got to learn how to do a good. No.

01:05:46.12

christophknoll

Well well the thing is the thing is you and I know Greg doette. But if I made a Greg do set reference around like let's say my students they would have no idea who that is.

01:05:59.21

Paul

Probably not no, it's yeah, no, not at all, but it's all good. You'll understand you'll make yourself laugh. That's what matters? Um, but yeah, so we ah we'll up yougate. Update you guys next week. We'll we'll figure something out for next weekend. Um. Seeing what we should do for that I completely forgot to to figure something out for that. But yeah next weekend. Yeah, next week can I'll be up in Massachusetts so we'll see what we can. We can do then we gonna record something in person or record some ahead of time or something but we appreciate you guys listening. We'll ah well probably do another arnold episode at some point just because he's so prevalent.

01:06:19.48

christophknoll

Yeah, what will be good.

01:06:36.61

christophknoll

There's so much content for him.

01:06:36.63

Paul

Um, we got to do a lot of yeah really, we got to do a lot of influencers. We still got like cbaum and Ronnie and Dorian and all that like we we should probably do all the big ones. Um and talk about each one. Yes is and Jeffrey side probably just because he's a meme Bradley Castleberry because he's a meme all that. So.

01:06:44.29

christophknoll

Yeah, this is.

01:06:52.60

christophknoll

Coach Greg we'll do that episode all in our coach Greg voice.

01:06:55.44

Paul

Will ah will definitely yeah coach Greg that'd be that would my throat be raw after that I bet be ruined. Um, yes we got plenty more coming for you guys. He's a body builder.

01:07:06.70

christophknoll

Well the thing you have to know is that Greg do said he's a bodybuilder he can do that.

01:07:15.14

Paul

You think he's going to do this on his own. No as as one of my favorite things. He says is he always he is to end sentences with no yeah, but ah yeah, so we will will well.

01:07:22.14

christophknoll

Um, emphasize more yeah on the reverse on the reverse side his yes is like well yeah.

01:07:33.54

Paul

Yeah, sure. Ah yeah, got have master his master his voice could do a perfect impersonation of him and you just got to get as big as them when did you get his when you get swoll.

01:07:37.58

christophknoll

Great now I'm going to go watch Greg videos all day. Yeah, ah well that's that's something that like you know, respectfully people like he. I think intentionally does the angle where it's just his shoulders up because you can't tell how ripped is and he is a unit like granted, he's a meme. He does a lot of click bait content but he's he's diced and he gets paid to guest pose like he's a legit person in the bodybuilding world.

01:07:58.10

Paul

Yeah.

01:08:09.50

Paul

Yeah, yeah, for sure he just just kind of become very clickbaity. That's why people have lost respect for him but he he was very respected over a very long period of time so he not new to the industry at all. Um, but yeah, so we'll we'll talk about him at some point but we appreciate guys listening to today's episode

01:08:14.58

christophknoll

Um, yeah.

01:08:25.56

Paul

A little bit about us a little bit about arnold a little bit ah about training all that. So appreciate you guys. We love doing it so keep listening and keep us going. We'll see you guys.

01:08:25.61

christophknoll

Hell yeah.

01:08:31.87

christophknoll

Oh yeah, all right everybody peace.


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